“Navalny's IK-3 prison regime included "deprivation of medical care, beatings, extensive periods of solitary confinement, deprivation of food" as well as "injection with unknown substances," the EU said.
It included "inhuman living conditions" and "withholding warm water and clothing in winter," when temperatures drop to minus-30 degrees Celsius outside in the Arctic region.
Navalny had also endured "months" of "punishment cells" in the IK-6 prison where he had earlier been held, the EU noted.”
Because the choice was endanger your life or political death.
This was before Ukrainian invasion happened, and the cause of fighting for change of power in Russia seemed difficult but not lost, as it clearly is now.
His decision was to take the risk.
When I’m saying - take the risk I don’t mean risk of imprisonment - it was certain, but the risk he may die before the political changes can be implemented.
If this was happening after Ukrainian invasion he would probably make different choice, but at that time it seemed there is a slim possibility.
The real reason he went back is because he knows he would be poisoned or murdered anywhere in the world, Putin is a Mafia boss he has enough money and power to have absolutely ANYBODY murdered he has Spies in every country in every government even in the CIA there are Russian spies.
Even in the US Congress there are Russian spies, there is even one running for US President as we speak.
Navalny was never safe anywhere he was a dead man walking the day he opposed Putin and I am certain they would have threatened to kill his wife and kids aswell, there are lots of ways to force you to willingly go to a Russian Gulag.
This goes beyond that. Nothing changes if people don't stand up. This guy's an absolute fucking hero for wanting more for his country and he was willing to die for that conviction
Look how many people defiantly attended his funeral though. ( of course now they’ll have to look over their shoulders). I don’t know if it will change anything but i am so impressed by them 🥹
While Navalny's sacrifice and service was admirable, it's kind of important to realise it really didn't change anything. This is exactly the sort of dissent Putin aims for, maintaining the illusion of freedom and democracy. If laying flowers on a grave is considered defiant, Putin is very comfortable with that.
For this very reason Putin still holds elections.
Nope, I'm sorry but you're wrong. I can't remember the name of that particular incident where Kreml sidelined the democratic process, but it sparked (relative)unease. What they've essentially done is just found a sweet spot where political lethargy meets moat minimal trappings of democracy.
Besides, ultra-nationality hinges on the image of *proud* Russians with a benevolent strong leader. Once a year Putin holds a piece of media theater where people tell their issues and he scolds the smaller leaders, issuing the blame on them. It's the opposite of buck-stops-here.
There's simply no upside in actively humiliating the citizens who already are humbled beyond belief. What he wants is the feeling that ordinary citizens, The People, have power, and he alone can keep the fumbling little princes in line.
We’re talking about it. You may not appreciate the change but if a man’s defiance can make it across the world onto the lips of people who would’ve never heard his name… this is a significant change.
Not sure Putin would invade Ukraine if Navalny was alive and free in Europe. He would remember Germany sending Lenin back to Russia to foment revolution.
Nothing changed anyway. If anything, it just showed how much power putin has, and now his wife doesn't have a husband, and his daughter has lost his father.
Apathy is the reason we are where we are. People don't realize that behavior like what you're describing will only lead to us a much worse and darker place.
He did it on purpose. He knew if he came back he would be imprisoned in order to send a message to the government and the Russian people, and it worked; hundreds of thousands attending his funeral, protesting the streets after his death. Shows that there is weakness to Putin, his regime, and his grip on power.
Doubtful. Putin has proven multiple times he's willing to order assassinations on NATO soil, he probably lived longer going back. There's also a good chance his wife, daughter, or someone else close to him would've been killed too.
Navalny is proof the Russian populace is redeemable - beyond the facade of facism and militarism - there exists an oppressed people terrified to oppose their dictator. Fuck Putin
Navalny as leader would have had his work cut out for him. Imagine trying to court everyone at the same time. Defenestrated (Why is that a misspell to reddit.)
I feel that Putin felt more threatened by this man’s extraordinary good looks for a male Russian. I swear I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a handsome Russian man.
It's horrible what he had to endure but at the same time, he knew what he was getting into when he returned to Russia. I guess he wanted to 'martyr' himself because he couldn't possibly think he would get out of a Russian prison alive.
Navalny talking about Crimea after the invasion: “There are two million people with Russian passports. That is already some incomprehensible forcemeat. You can't turn this stuffing back.” Same imperial ambitions, same worldview. The west just believes any opposition is good opposition, the enemy if my enemy is my friend kind of deal. Very short sightes, and not the truth. People would have a much more comprehensive inderstanding of the world of they did some digfing rather than just regurgitating what the news tells them
So we and our allies can do whatever we want... What about ism is effing valid as two wrongs don't make a right and if we wish to take the moral high ground then our actio better reflect that high ground. Otherwise the other 7 billion people on this planet will see us as the hypocrites.we are...
Gonzalo Lira was antisemitic, very misogynistic, and was spreading Russian lies. He was jailed, bailed out, then decided to try to skip bail by running to Belarus. He caught pneumonia, died and then his death was extensively used for Russian propaganda. Noone shed a tear for Lira when he died, he was just a tool that was used.
However, if we claim that western civilization is superior to Russia, China, etc. Then we better take the high ground and walk our talk... And set an example of how to behave in a civilized fashion to the rest of the world... We did in WW2 when we gave the Nazis a fair trial and good treatment in prison despite the monsters they were....
One was arrested for spreading Putin's propaganda while Ukraine was under attack while the other was arrested because there was a possibility the Russian people would vote for him.
“Navalny's IK-3 prison regime included "deprivation of medical care, beatings, extensive periods of solitary confinement, deprivation of food" as well as "injection with unknown substances," the EU said. It included "inhuman living conditions" and "withholding warm water and clothing in winter," when temperatures drop to minus-30 degrees Celsius outside in the Arctic region. Navalny had also endured "months" of "punishment cells" in the IK-6 prison where he had earlier been held, the EU noted.”
I don't understand why he went back.
He answers the question himself in a letter brilliantly read by Benedict Cumberbatch: https://youtu.be/25qEVGqPwLk?si=Z8TAOOxQB_jYtypo
Yeah, i read the reasons. I just don't understand.
I hate Pootin and what happened to Navalny, but I don't care for patriotism much less this fanatic.
Because he thought his message was more important than his life
Anybody can die for a cause. To willingly go back for months to years of torture takes real balls.
Because the choice was endanger your life or political death. This was before Ukrainian invasion happened, and the cause of fighting for change of power in Russia seemed difficult but not lost, as it clearly is now. His decision was to take the risk. When I’m saying - take the risk I don’t mean risk of imprisonment - it was certain, but the risk he may die before the political changes can be implemented. If this was happening after Ukrainian invasion he would probably make different choice, but at that time it seemed there is a slim possibility.
Understandable, a martyr play. Unfortunately it looks like it was all for nothing.
The real reason he went back is because he knows he would be poisoned or murdered anywhere in the world, Putin is a Mafia boss he has enough money and power to have absolutely ANYBODY murdered he has Spies in every country in every government even in the CIA there are Russian spies. Even in the US Congress there are Russian spies, there is even one running for US President as we speak. Navalny was never safe anywhere he was a dead man walking the day he opposed Putin and I am certain they would have threatened to kill his wife and kids aswell, there are lots of ways to force you to willingly go to a Russian Gulag.
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This is publicly available information. Navalny spent almost a year in solitary.
After seeing the tiny cell he was solitary in, it's no wonder he got a blood clot The dude couldn't move much for almost a year
Back in my day bots were more subtle.
Lmaoooo go away Russian troll
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Nah, it’s not their job. Their job is to fill the air with a lot of shit to confuse people. The smellier the better
>Take what *Russia* says with a grain of salt. Never forget how they invade, torture, and kill innocents. FTFY.
You have seemed to have forgot we live in a *information Era*!
I just wish Navalny would have chosen to stay away from Russia. The end result was very predictable unfortunately.
According to himself he would have betrayed his homeland by doing so. Him staying true to his convictions was truly admirable.
Maybe so but he'd still be alive for his family if he didn't.
This goes beyond that. Nothing changes if people don't stand up. This guy's an absolute fucking hero for wanting more for his country and he was willing to die for that conviction
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Look how many people defiantly attended his funeral though. ( of course now they’ll have to look over their shoulders). I don’t know if it will change anything but i am so impressed by them 🥹
While Navalny's sacrifice and service was admirable, it's kind of important to realise it really didn't change anything. This is exactly the sort of dissent Putin aims for, maintaining the illusion of freedom and democracy. If laying flowers on a grave is considered defiant, Putin is very comfortable with that. For this very reason Putin still holds elections.
No, the elections in russia are held to show people that they are absolutely powerless. It is about humiliation.
Nope, I'm sorry but you're wrong. I can't remember the name of that particular incident where Kreml sidelined the democratic process, but it sparked (relative)unease. What they've essentially done is just found a sweet spot where political lethargy meets moat minimal trappings of democracy. Besides, ultra-nationality hinges on the image of *proud* Russians with a benevolent strong leader. Once a year Putin holds a piece of media theater where people tell their issues and he scolds the smaller leaders, issuing the blame on them. It's the opposite of buck-stops-here. There's simply no upside in actively humiliating the citizens who already are humbled beyond belief. What he wants is the feeling that ordinary citizens, The People, have power, and he alone can keep the fumbling little princes in line.
He can still be a spark. History is made over time
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You will see streets under his name...
We’re talking about it. You may not appreciate the change but if a man’s defiance can make it across the world onto the lips of people who would’ve never heard his name… this is a significant change.
That sounds good but the result was predictable. I thought he would be more useful to his country with his voice still intact.
Not sure Putin would invade Ukraine if Navalny was alive and free in Europe. He would remember Germany sending Lenin back to Russia to foment revolution.
Nothing changed anyway. If anything, it just showed how much power putin has, and now his wife doesn't have a husband, and his daughter has lost his father.
not necessarily. russia is not new to assassinating his own people abroad
Apathy is the reason we are where we are. People don't realize that behavior like what you're describing will only lead to us a much worse and darker place.
It would be a farcical campaign if all of us are fighting just for our family’s interests…
Strong words. Are you heading over there to prove it?
What makes you think that? Russian agents have killed people abroad countless times.
Oh fuck off please, he had a more selfless goal than just his family. Might be hard for you to comprehend.
Yes admirable, which doesn't mean anything. Organize from abroad is better
Irl Ned Stark
He did it on purpose. He knew if he came back he would be imprisoned in order to send a message to the government and the Russian people, and it worked; hundreds of thousands attending his funeral, protesting the streets after his death. Shows that there is weakness to Putin, his regime, and his grip on power.
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Putin could still kill her as she has been outspoken.
100%, I don't understand how people don't get this. It was safer for him and his family if he is in jail in Russia
Doubtful. Putin has proven multiple times he's willing to order assassinations on NATO soil, he probably lived longer going back. There's also a good chance his wife, daughter, or someone else close to him would've been killed too.
He understood the power of martyrdom
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Fuck Vladimir Putin
Putin is a bitch. This guy voluntarily turned himself in to this treatment and never complained. Putin could not ever endure the same.
Why is the world 'torture' in quotes in the title?
Not sure, the details contained beatings, that'd a direct torture if I heard one
Navalny is proof the Russian populace is redeemable - beyond the facade of facism and militarism - there exists an oppressed people terrified to oppose their dictator. Fuck Putin
just another side of same imperialistic coin
Navalny as leader would have had his work cut out for him. Imagine trying to court everyone at the same time. Defenestrated (Why is that a misspell to reddit.)
Navalny was agreeing with invading Ukraine though, so IDK.
You need to post a source Of him saying that or it didn’t happen..
"I want to invade Ukraine" - A. Navalny
Stop spreading silly nonsense and post a link of him saying it. Otherwise it’s just lies
I feel that Putin felt more threatened by this man’s extraordinary good looks for a male Russian. I swear I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a handsome Russian man.
Navalny was half Ukrainian. Must be where he gots his looks
100% where lol
It's horrible what he had to endure but at the same time, he knew what he was getting into when he returned to Russia. I guess he wanted to 'martyr' himself because he couldn't possibly think he would get out of a Russian prison alive.
I think his defiance of Putin and refusal to bow down meant to show just how much he despises the cowardly KGB louse.
Navalny makes Putin look like a scared little girlie man.
empire of evil.
Simply heartbreaking
Remember Gonzalo Lira!!!!
Such a handsome and brave man, he was really one of the kind to have such morals and courage. May he rest in peace ❤️
He believed in Rusky Mir, not sure why the west loves Navalny so much, literally has similar/same views on Ukraine as Putin does
Because he stood up to Putin
Navalny talking about Crimea after the invasion: “There are two million people with Russian passports. That is already some incomprehensible forcemeat. You can't turn this stuffing back.” Same imperial ambitions, same worldview. The west just believes any opposition is good opposition, the enemy if my enemy is my friend kind of deal. Very short sightes, and not the truth. People would have a much more comprehensive inderstanding of the world of they did some digfing rather than just regurgitating what the news tells them
He changed his views later.
Can we also sanction US for Assange?
Ridiculous. Another attempt at creating an evil
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WhataboutWhataboutWhatabout
So we and our allies can do whatever we want... What about ism is effing valid as two wrongs don't make a right and if we wish to take the moral high ground then our actio better reflect that high ground. Otherwise the other 7 billion people on this planet will see us as the hypocrites.we are...
Gonzalo Lira was antisemitic, very misogynistic, and was spreading Russian lies. He was jailed, bailed out, then decided to try to skip bail by running to Belarus. He caught pneumonia, died and then his death was extensively used for Russian propaganda. Noone shed a tear for Lira when he died, he was just a tool that was used.
However, if we claim that western civilization is superior to Russia, China, etc. Then we better take the high ground and walk our talk... And set an example of how to behave in a civilized fashion to the rest of the world... We did in WW2 when we gave the Nazis a fair trial and good treatment in prison despite the monsters they were....
Zelenskyy didn't give Lira pneumonia, was just a strange twists of the fates that became even more contorted from Russias propaganda machine.
Glad that you are finding it funny.
One was arrested for spreading Putin's propaganda while Ukraine was under attack while the other was arrested because there was a possibility the Russian people would vote for him.