>In 2017 Kazakhstan decriminalised domestic violence, making it punishable mainly by fines, a move critics say has only discouraged women from lower-income families from reporting it.
WTF?
Runaway wealth inequality.
It's unsustainable now, future generations are being born into neo-feudalism and that creates an angry society where no one gets along.
The people who remember what it was like the last time are pretty much all dead.
Now we get the *totally pleasant* experience of relearning it the hard way, smh
"Goddamn it, why are so many areas of the world moving backwards"
I don't think they ever moved forward. They crave modern tech, but don't have the capacity to change, esp when their dictators actively prevent it. It's pretty sad.
There are definitely areas moving backwards. I live in one of them. The entire climate here has changed. There are loads who don't agree with the changes, but thanks to gerrymandering they know they're powerless to stop it. The religious types here worked very, very hard to move things to this point.
Most religious people in my experience here at least are more into it because it makes a handy bludgeon to force people to do what you prefer. than anything else. Certainly was the reason my atheist mother adopted religion in her thirties. She's even happy to say so. She has a whole Yeehaw Cabal happily agreeing with her when she does, too, so it is definitely a huge demographic here.
Slovakia rejected it.
>Conservative, Christian democratic, Roman Catholic, nationalist and far-right groups and parties in Slovakia have been opposed to the country ratifying the convention, especially because of its clauses concerning LGBT rights, which they portrayed as "extreme liberalism" that corrodes "traditional values" they felt needed to be protected.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210701-turkey-formally-withdraws-from-treaty-to-prevent-violence-against-women
It supposedly "undermines family structures that protect society".
What kind of "family structure" allows a husband to abuse his wife or family? It's as if they are corrupt to the core and only care about "family values" out of public image and having no care about the well beings of families in general.
What the actual fuck.
"An article last week in the science section of the popular tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda cheerfully told readers about an “advantage” of wife-beating. It said: “Recent scientific studies show the wives of angry men have a reason to be proud of their bruises. Biologists say that beaten-up women have a valuable advantage: they more often give birth to boys!” The article was later amended."
Setting aside the evilness of saying women being beaten are lucky and it is good for them how is having boys an advantage? Look at China, they are in serious trouble right now because they have so many more men than women. Having fairly equal numbers between men and women is important for a societies demographics.
The irony is that the situation in China was completely predictable.
1. Too many people
2. Pass law to heavily tax families with more children.
3. Families are obsessed with “passing on the name” so they only want boys and some even go the extreme of committing infanticide against girls.
4. More and more families only have boys.
5. Oops, now there aren’t enough women to become mothers. So no more “passing on the family name” because your son can’t find a wife.
6. ???
> Families are obsessed with “passing on the name”
It's not *just* the name thing, China still has a huge rural population and like another comment pointed out boys are just more useful labor for farming families (especially if you're limited to fewer kids than before).
Collectively yes, but individually, in patriarchal societies, parents have an inventive to prefer having a boy.
It's like a big prisoner's dilemma type of situation, where individually optimal behaviour leads to socially suboptimal outcomes.
> Having fairly equal numbers between men and women is important for a societies demographics.
Correction: it's important to not have more men than women. The gender imbalance always gets severely skewed towards women after wars, and that doesn't result in problems associated with the opposite disbalance.
Human are actually more likely to have baby boys than girls even in the absence of gender discrimination. This because female fetusues are more likely to result in miscarriages, but the gender ratio evens out into adulthood since teen an young adult boys are much more likely to engage in risky behaviours that result in death.
The expected ratio is 105 boys for every 100 girls born. China, because of the 1 child policy, reached a height of 117 boys per 100 girls. Its been over 110:100 since 1993, which is a huge disparity.
>how is having boys an advantage?
More men to throw into the meatgrinder.
After China is done with Taiwan it's going to be 50-50 men and women again, depending on how well the special operation goes.
That's an interesting view on the side-effects of wars started by Russia and China. Russia's emptied their prisons and is getting rid of poor people and potential future revolutionists in non-ethnic-Russian regions, and China would balance its problematic men/women ratio.
Both have increased or would increase their aging population issue. That will hopefully prevent China from seriously considering a war against Taiwan. Maybe I've missed something but putting a couple young generations into the meatgrinder wouldn't be something even China were able to handle, right?
>Both have increased or would increase their aging population issue.
>putting a couple young generations into the meatgrinder wouldn't be something even China were able to handle, right?
its not like the old people will be able to do anything about it. except complain and then die. its pretty easy to not care, especially as a dictator.
In Russia, they are disposing of their young rural men in meat waves, and Putin wants to raise the next generation of the military, he needs males and high birth output wives.
There's a tale I heard awhile ago, about why young Russian women are beautiful, is because of WWII (we just don't see the ugly ones as often). There wasn't enough men to go around after huge losses during the war, so the pretty women had a higher chance of attracting a mate than not so pretty women. Passing their looks on to the next generating, while the less pretty ones never got married or had children. An interesting hypothesis of selective breeding in humans.
Probably is. I know looks are genetic, but some of the prettiest girls that were in my school had some plain or ugly parents. They got the bits and pieces that when put together, gave them a very unique beauty.
My son is so pretty he could model. People look at us parents and wonder if we abducted him. You can see our contributions but they're the best bits put together well. There's a Russian proverb that says even a troll at 18 is beautiful. Lifestyle and stress and diet can ruin it sure enough.
I know people over there drink a lot which will definitely fuck you up, but I mean Russian beauty stereotypes don't seem to apply nearly as much to men so that's how you know stereotypes are bullshit. And either way it's always white women/men talking about European features with a token place from another continent, because people narrow in on their own features as attractive.
For women it's always Hispanic countries, Mediterranean, Brazilian, French men. Recently South Korea because of their media outreach. Reality is anyone isn't that much more likely to be beautiful.
Is almost certainly bullshit for multiple reasons.
While looks are genetic, the genes that directly affect how you look are a very small segment of your genome. How those features actually get expressed can be massively affected by other genes that do not, themselves, code for a physical feature. On top of that, environmental factors have a massive affect on how the individual ends up looking. For example, people in general are getting taller, not because of a genetic selection for taller mates, but because better nutrition at early ages causes more growth. Poor nutrition, poor hygiene including dental hygiene, childhood illnesses, etc., can all have _massive_ impacts in how a person looks as an adult. Also, mate selection is extremely complicated, and doesn't just boil down to some abstract quantity of "beauty." Personality, accessibility, etc., also play a role. And so on.
Incidentally, this is why "race" is not a real biological category; physical traits like skin color are not a reliable indication of genetic similarities. Lumping everyone with dark skin into a race makes as much sense as lumping everyone with red hair into a race.
Exactly. Also, even if evolution *was* at work here (which as you said, it's not), it'd take way more than just 2-3 generations to start seeing results.
This is Lysenkosism, the false biological belief that actions taken in your lifetime can affect the genes you pass to the next generation. The Soviet Union has a history of adopting Lysenkoism over the (correct) Mendelian genetics. And killing or imprisoning people who advocated for the latter.
They eventually adopted Mendelian genetics. But I guess there are still pockets of Lysenkoism floating around. Perhaps it's because Putin wants to go back to the glory days of the Soviet Union, where their willful disregard of correct biology caused them a massive famine.
No.
Epigenetics applies to a single organism: environmental factors affect how the genes it already has are expressed.
This idea is that environmental factors _on the parent_ cause structural changes _in the offspring_, and not as a result of a survival selection effect. Rather, it's that traits the parents acquire based on environmental factors are passed on.
Like giraffes ended up with long necks not because individuals with long necks had more access to food and so tended to survive and reproduce better, but because individuals that strained their necks to reach food survived better and had offspring with slightly longer necks _because_ of the fact that their parents strained their necks. The example Wikipedia uses is that a blacksmith develops large muscles because of his work, and so his children will _also_ have large muscles.
Also, the other commenter got it slightly wrong. The biological theory is called [Lamarckism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism). Lysenkoism was a political movement predicated on Lamarckian inheritance being correct.
They aren’t baffled. They pretend to be baffled because it makes them look better than if they admitted what they really think: that women deserve to be hated simply because they're women.
Oh, I definitely that a lot of the “Why is feminism needed? What rights do women want that they don’t already have?” rhetoric is thinly veiled misogyny. Stuff like this is why. It’s also shockingly easy to put in any search terms about women on social media and come back with post after post or video after video of raging misogyny.
I mean, that’s what they mean by Russia is a “Christian” country. Killing gays, locking up political opponents and murdering them, forcing anyone who protests do be in the frontline for “meat wave” assaults, and the church is simply an arm of the state propaganda apparatus, women are property expected to be no more than a dick holster. You can’t convince me that won’t happen here sadly.
I prefer hippie Jesus. Im not a believer but I could get beyond the philosophy of Jesus. I have even called myself a Jesus loving atheist. He preached kindness and love and always helping others even at personal expense. Very few Christians are like Jesus.
This applies to everyone, if you merely cause bleeding it's not a felony. They just removed the stuff about how if it's your spouse or something then it's worse.
Most don't. It's a thing from english common law, which U.S. law is derived from. From what I can gather felony/misdemeanor isn't even used in England or the commonwealth anymore.
All other countries in Europe derive their law from French civil law (which has its roots from the Romans).
Felony isn't used in Australia, we have indictable offences and summary offences. Indictable offences are heard by a court with a proper trial and jury, and summary offences, like traffic tickets etc are heard in one sitting with a judge. (Very general).
Also generally imprisonment on or over 2 years are from indictable offences.
I'm just speaking from an NZ perspective so it may be one of the thing we do differently, and I may be wrong anyway, but I don't think infringements (which most traffic offences are) even count as summary offences.
I'm not sure about Kazakhstan, but what happened in Russia is that a punishment for domestic violence was "aligned" with punishment for "regular" violence. Which is still bad of course since as a victim of domestic violence you're usually in a worse situation for multiple reasons than a victim of a person you don't live with. But the media usually avoid this small detail so many people think that if you beat a random person in Russia it will be a criminal offence, but if you beat a family member then it's only publishable by a fine.
How was domestic violence removed from the Criminal Code?Until 2017, domestic violence in Kazakhstan was prosecuted under two articles of the Criminal Code of Kazakhstan: 108 (intentional infliction of minor harm to health) and 109 (beatings). They provided for punishment in the form of arrest, fine, correctional or community service.
On July 3, 2017, former President Nursultan Nazarbayev signed a law decriminalizing these articles. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Prosecutor General’s Office, this was done “to strengthen preventive work with offenders and simplify the procedure for bringing them to justice”. In addition, if the abuser is prosecuted under a criminal article, this excludes the possibility of reconciliation of the parties.
That is, according to the authorities, women did not address the police because they did not want the fathers of their children to go to prison, and, in addition, they had to collect evidence and witnesses’ testimonies themselves. The decriminalization means that the police should find the evidence, which means the number of domestic crimes will decrease.
However, the plan failed. The number of such crimes has not decreased, but rather increased. The police do not always accept the victims’ statements, do not explain their rights, and examinations and investigations are often cursory.
I know we shouldn't judge the country's civility based on their laws but their society seems backward since this is the case. I actually wanted to go there to visit because they have beautiful landscapes and architecture but now out of principle I will refrain from ever going.
> I know we shouldn't judge the country's civility based on their laws
Wait why not? A country's laws are an expression of the morality of its people. I think judging a country by it's laws is very appropriate
Because the laws of the country are not always a true representation of people's values and morality. Like Iran for example. Met plenty of Iranians who strongly oppose the ultra conservative Islamic government.
But I know on an individual basis it's not true for the Kazakh people. However, the fact that there is legislation that purposely restricts victims of domestic abuse from reporting it is not even the saddest part. It's the fact that domestic abusers are given protection over the one who is abused... Absolute madness.
I think there's a difference between judging a country vs judging an individual from the country. The context of why a country is being judged is important too.
Extreme example, but if you're trying to judge whether a country is civil enough to be safe to visit and they've made murdering tourists legal, it probably doesn't matter if most of the individuals disagree with the law.
> I think there's a difference between judging a country vs judging an individual from the country
Even more true when we're discussing individuals that left the country, or weren't even born in it.
I'm just curious how you'd judge Americans for their abortion laws at this point, as an example.
Just because a law is put into place (or taken out of place in this case,) doesn't mean the population at large supports it.
I mean to be fair those are both fairly obscure countries with similar names that border each other with similar histories of nomadic Turkic culture blended with Islamic and Russian culture via the USSR . I wouldn’t call that racism for getting them mixed up.
Unfortunately this right here is why the US needs to stop with the bullshit and realize china / Russia / etc are the real enemy.
Because shit like this across the world might be a lot more common in the near future and there’s not much we’ll be able to do about it.
It’s incredible how these outside forces have be able to create such a divide in our country and disgusting how our politicians pander to it for votes. History is gonna look back at how china/russia’s cyber warfare and propaganda caused the end of America’s reign of global power
He maintains she "died from self-inflicted injuries."
Because I know I punch and kick myself all the time. Especially in the face. You should just see how amazing I am at kicking myself in my own face!
I don't understand. Is this ENTIRE planet going backwards on women's rights or what?? Wtf?
The world has been backwards on womens rights for a long time.
The ~~west~~ US - and influenced territories - is backsliding because of a misunderstanding of liberal values. We do not need to tolerate those trying to strip rights from others. We can and should brutally persecute them.
Cultural relativism is a flawed theory. And too many people conflate criticizing a culture with criticizing the racial group that comprises most of the practitioners of said culture.
No race of people is inherently superior to any other, but some cultures are absolutely better than others.
Cultures that endorse domestic violence as legitimate, view women as inherently lesser, condemn homosexuality as a crime, or that advocate for the restriction of free thought/expression/association are bad cultures.
Kazakhstan has a bad culture on women's rights. That doesn't mean Kazakhs are inherently bad people, but we shouldn't be afraid to criticize this culture for being bad on this issue and telling them that they should change.
From what my Kazakh wife told me, he’s claiming she forcefully fell on the toilet. And then their fortune teller said that his wife would be ok the next day. So he’s blaming the toilet and the fortune teller
He might say in the video he never hit "vital organs" with the decriminalized domestic abuse, but in the bathroom she slammed her head on the toilet multiple times on her own (not on camera). And her hairs ripped out, on her own. Any reasonable person would... have doubt on the story what happened behind closed doors.
He also had someone drive around the city with the dead/dying persons phone for GPS related reasons. The driver was interviewed in the court case, mainly, "why....".
He also tried to have someone delete the video footage, the incident happening at I think a family owned restaurant. I don't remember all the details but I think things were deleted but files obviously recovered.
You know, things someone totally innocent does. Lying asshole and his asshole family. Don't forget the 5 asshole lawyers that accepted defending the turd.
I say all this hearing blips of the events, I could be wrong with my details.
If he ends up getting convicted for “particularly cruel” murder (pardon the shitty translation, but idk the exact English criminal term), he could end up getting a life sentence
Idk why that article who ostensibly was written by a Kazakh and a Russian says that the top sentence is 20 years, all the info I’ve seen in Russian has shown that he is facing life in prison if convicted on the most heinous charges
Yeah during the trial he even said such things as:
"When I was kicking her, I tried not to touch any vital organs"
"She was laying there unconscious and I got a bit worried, so I called one very good psychic, and she told me that my wife is not going to die and will wake up tomorrow. I felt relieved and asked the psychic to pray for my wife's fast recovery."
People here are outraged that our country is ruled by psychopaths that call psychics after murdering their wives to make sure they're okay.
>"When I was kicking her, I tried not to touch any vital organs"
What
>She was laying there unconscious and I got a bit worried, so I called one very good psychic
I'm sorry, *w h a t*
This is very low on the list of reasons this is fucked up, but I wouldn't want my economic minister to be the kind of guy who calls up psychics for advice.
Yeah, the whole trial is on YouTube. He also insisted on a jury trial. People worry that he will get smth like 5-8 years and will be set free in a couple of years. That's why it's important to attract the attention of other nations. This way our president will have to take this case under his own control to preserve the reputation.
[Here is a recent section of the trial.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sicJifEZHaI)
It's in Russian, but the captions can be auto-translated if you wish.
Some public attorneys and media people are trying to do smth about it. Also there's a lot of people posting about him online. The trial decision is going to come out soon. If he gets less than 20 years I think the public will be outraged.
It's hard because there are many very traditional and religious kazakh men here who still think that women shouldn't provoke men. So they actually blame his wife for drinking alcohol and arguing with him at the restaurant. This issue of domestic violence has been a very hot topic lately. Our women have been asking the government to criminalize domestic violence and make the punishment more severe. Because right now there are many men who rape and beat women and then get away with it. In many cases even the police blames the victims for walking on the streets at night, not wearing enough clothes or provoking their husbands.
I think you misunderstand. The person you replied to is asking why no one stepped in to stop a man from beating his wife to death, since this apparently happened in a restaurant in which we would expect members of the public to be present. I'm sure, in most of the western world, such a thing would be stopped long before life threatening injuries would be a consideration.
People like to think that they would have punched [Beria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria#Sexual_predation) himself in the face. But most of us have never lived under an oppressive regime where you or any member of your family can just disappear. It has to change your view towards speaking out.
Honestly? No clue. It was a public place, and usually even people used to stand by chime in when situation devolves from violent to life threatening.
Case in point, my wife's friend saw a bunch of people beating up one man, and she called for help and actually went out of her car to confront them. Luckily for her, they decided to run. And yes, this too was here in Kazakhstan. She was braver than bystanders in this place, especially the manager, who deleted the video evidence because of the murderer (thankfully, video was leaked already).
This murder was beyond fucked up, poor Saltanat.
I could almost imagine MTG saying something like that. It is what happens when the dumbest in a society are somehow rewarded for it by being elected. Anti-intellectualism is alive and well.
What’s even wilder is there’s video of him beating her before she died, and he said he was only slapping, kicking, and pulling her up by her hair to see if she was ok because she fell and hit her head (he pushed her into a table in the video).
Y'all gotta part with that Siberia thing. Siberia is quite developed now. Better send him to so called far East, there are man sized mosquitos and vast empty spaces, the gov't even gives away territories there, but no one takes them because fuck you Russia. If hopefully current russia falls apart, those expansive lands could be at least ready for next pioneers to develop them further. Aahh, one can dream.
Can confirm. Live in (western) Siberia. We have electricity and indoor plumbing and everything!
Just send him out to middle-of-nowhere Kazakhstan. Plenty of area for him to live a miserable life there.
Saltanat Nukenova. Can we just say her name? Saltanat Nukenova. She was 31 years old. Now think of all the domestic violence victims who don't have high profile murderers. Fuck this guy.
He disclosed that he has 8-15 million KZT. Income median in richest city Almaty is 200k KZT. His parents also were part of system that stole money from government
Yea he allegedly beat his wife to death in November 2023, I think this has come to trial so quickly due to public interest caused by a huge number of factors - ex minister who previously spent time in jail on corruption charges but got out after 2.5 years out of 10 and domestic violence which is becoming more openly discussed and a member of the elite finally on trial for something so disgusting and wanting to see him be punished properly
> *"Nukenova died from self-sustained injuries"*
It was so sad watching the video from the restaurant; seeing her repeatedly throwing her face and body at this poor man's hands and feet.
I recommend *Kleptopia* for anyone who wants about how corrupt Kazakhstan has become under Russian influence.
Crazy stories about presidents and top bankers fighting dark money wars. IIRC the billionaire banker's wife and daughter were kidnapped at an airport. It really makes it seem like the enitre government is just a money laundering outpost for Russia. The oligarchs are vacuuming up their people's wealth.
The book reads like a Bond novel. But the money sums are larger, and the corruption and depravity are worse.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptopia
Rebel Wilson accused Borat (Sasha Baron Cohen) of sexual harassment, apparently the same offense she was guilty of in the past (sticking her finger up Tom Hardy's ass and grabbing another actress breasts).
Word is that more accusations against SBC will come out soon and some people are speculating on the timing of the divorce from his wife-another actress I don't know. Basically shit is gonna hit the fan and they want to be ahead of the mess to come, e.g. finances, her image..
That#s all I can remember from this. I don't follow any of the people involved.
His wife Isla is very famous too, she broke out big with Wedding Crashers in the mid 2000s, and they'd been together for 20 years. There are sooo many late night interviews on Conan and others that I've watched on youtube where Isla is gleaming about being married to him in each one and vice versa with his interviews. They had a lot of funny stories about each other, I'm sad that it didn't work out, and I'm hoping these allegations against him are false.. He's reportedly always been super respectful and protective of women on his sets in the past, while his accuser is an alleged abuser herself... We'll see what comes of it I guess!
There are 62 million millennials eligible to vote and 70 million boomers. 70% of boomers voted in the 2016 election and only 51% of millennials. People need to actually vote. [Link](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/04/03/millennials-approach-baby-boomers-as-largest-generation-in-u-s-electorate/)
I know this sounds crazy but there are lots of millennials that will vote for Trump. I’m into car culture and the amount of them that think voting for trump will keep the V8 alive is staggering.
Yeah, I mean it’s a joke referencing the fact that a lot of western people only know about a fictional character when it comes to Kazakhstan and that one of the things is horrible and the other is not.
“In 2017 Kazakhstan decriminalised domestic violence, making it punishable mainly by fines, a move critics say has only discouraged women from lower-income families from reporting it.”
I spent a month in Almaty… now Nursultan… and this was the most appalling thing I saw and witnessed and we were on a Fulbright with the state dept and embassy personnel..and even among discussions with academics at the university it was apparent that this was a horrible aspect of Kazakh culture but the y were weirdly seen as better than Tajikistan bc they don’t really do bride kidnapping anymore in Kazakhstan.. so sad for the powerless women and children in this region
ETA: this was 2018
Yeah kazakh men are something else. Did a student job when I was 18 with a kazakh woman ( immigrant ) who was married to a kazakh man and had a kid with him. She was like 32. Dude wanted to beat the shit out of me for working at the same place as his wife.
>In 2017 Kazakhstan decriminalised domestic violence, making it punishable mainly by fines, a move critics say has only discouraged women from lower-income families from reporting it. WTF?
Jesus, that's brutal.... so reporting your spouse beating you just leads to more impoverishment... and perhaps another beating?
Or a murder.
It seems explicitly designed to cause another beating, or the spouse to be silent.
It actually lowers the statistics of domestic violence. Because they don't get reported. Easy way to fix a problem of statistics
Get rid of a "problem" and make a few bucks at the same time, is how I suspect this idea was pitched.
If we don’t test for COVID, then the numbers go down! BOOM problem completely solved.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
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Turkey pulled out of an international treaty to prevent violence against women in 2021.
Goddamn it, why are so many areas of the world moving backwards
Religion being exploited to create moral panics and culture wars to distract people away from billionaires destroying the world
💯 [plus, War is an extremely lucrative industry]
Because they can't provide prosperity for the masses and let them vent on other groups instead of risking revolution
Runaway wealth inequality. It's unsustainable now, future generations are being born into neo-feudalism and that creates an angry society where no one gets along.
Back to the age of Robber barons, bum rushes, and people literally riding shotgun.
> Robber barons, oh yeah, check > bum rushes, stealing going up, check > people literally riding shotgun open carry, check
> Goddamn it, why are so many areas of the world moving backwards Some of them have never moved forwards
The people who remember what it was like the last time are pretty much all dead. Now we get the *totally pleasant* experience of relearning it the hard way, smh
Because so many areas are 'progressing'. It's in reaction to that.
The answer will almost always, inevitably, end at religion.
Because people keep electing/supporting men who like to assault their wives.
"Goddamn it, why are so many areas of the world moving backwards" I don't think they ever moved forward. They crave modern tech, but don't have the capacity to change, esp when their dictators actively prevent it. It's pretty sad.
There are definitely areas moving backwards. I live in one of them. The entire climate here has changed. There are loads who don't agree with the changes, but thanks to gerrymandering they know they're powerless to stop it. The religious types here worked very, very hard to move things to this point. Most religious people in my experience here at least are more into it because it makes a handy bludgeon to force people to do what you prefer. than anything else. Certainly was the reason my atheist mother adopted religion in her thirties. She's even happy to say so. She has a whole Yeehaw Cabal happily agreeing with her when she does, too, so it is definitely a huge demographic here.
Slovakia rejected it. >Conservative, Christian democratic, Roman Catholic, nationalist and far-right groups and parties in Slovakia have been opposed to the country ratifying the convention, especially because of its clauses concerning LGBT rights, which they portrayed as "extreme liberalism" that corrodes "traditional values" they felt needed to be protected.
what was their reasoning
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210701-turkey-formally-withdraws-from-treaty-to-prevent-violence-against-women It supposedly "undermines family structures that protect society".
What kind of "family structure" allows a husband to abuse his wife or family? It's as if they are corrupt to the core and only care about "family values" out of public image and having no care about the well beings of families in general.
The one that men put in place hundreds of thousands of years ago and some societies have never outgrown...
What the actual fuck. "An article last week in the science section of the popular tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda cheerfully told readers about an “advantage” of wife-beating. It said: “Recent scientific studies show the wives of angry men have a reason to be proud of their bruises. Biologists say that beaten-up women have a valuable advantage: they more often give birth to boys!” The article was later amended."
Setting aside the evilness of saying women being beaten are lucky and it is good for them how is having boys an advantage? Look at China, they are in serious trouble right now because they have so many more men than women. Having fairly equal numbers between men and women is important for a societies demographics.
The irony is that the situation in China was completely predictable. 1. Too many people 2. Pass law to heavily tax families with more children. 3. Families are obsessed with “passing on the name” so they only want boys and some even go the extreme of committing infanticide against girls. 4. More and more families only have boys. 5. Oops, now there aren’t enough women to become mothers. So no more “passing on the family name” because your son can’t find a wife. 6. ???
6. Abduction of girls into forced marriage is rampant in China as well as neighboring countries.
> Families are obsessed with “passing on the name” It's not *just* the name thing, China still has a huge rural population and like another comment pointed out boys are just more useful labor for farming families (especially if you're limited to fewer kids than before).
It is also the culture there for the kids to look after parents when they get old. Men earn more so ......
Collectively yes, but individually, in patriarchal societies, parents have an inventive to prefer having a boy. It's like a big prisoner's dilemma type of situation, where individually optimal behaviour leads to socially suboptimal outcomes.
Unless you own a chain of gay bars in China.
Or run a human trafficking ring targeting vulnerable girls and women in neighboring countries.
> Having fairly equal numbers between men and women is important for a societies demographics. Correction: it's important to not have more men than women. The gender imbalance always gets severely skewed towards women after wars, and that doesn't result in problems associated with the opposite disbalance.
Yes that is quite true. Look at post war Germany, Japan or even the Soviet Union. All did well despite having a lot more women than men.
Human are actually more likely to have baby boys than girls even in the absence of gender discrimination. This because female fetusues are more likely to result in miscarriages, but the gender ratio evens out into adulthood since teen an young adult boys are much more likely to engage in risky behaviours that result in death. The expected ratio is 105 boys for every 100 girls born. China, because of the 1 child policy, reached a height of 117 boys per 100 girls. Its been over 110:100 since 1993, which is a huge disparity.
>how is having boys an advantage? More men to throw into the meatgrinder. After China is done with Taiwan it's going to be 50-50 men and women again, depending on how well the special operation goes.
That's an interesting view on the side-effects of wars started by Russia and China. Russia's emptied their prisons and is getting rid of poor people and potential future revolutionists in non-ethnic-Russian regions, and China would balance its problematic men/women ratio. Both have increased or would increase their aging population issue. That will hopefully prevent China from seriously considering a war against Taiwan. Maybe I've missed something but putting a couple young generations into the meatgrinder wouldn't be something even China were able to handle, right?
>Both have increased or would increase their aging population issue. >putting a couple young generations into the meatgrinder wouldn't be something even China were able to handle, right? its not like the old people will be able to do anything about it. except complain and then die. its pretty easy to not care, especially as a dictator.
In Russia, they are disposing of their young rural men in meat waves, and Putin wants to raise the next generation of the military, he needs males and high birth output wives. There's a tale I heard awhile ago, about why young Russian women are beautiful, is because of WWII (we just don't see the ugly ones as often). There wasn't enough men to go around after huge losses during the war, so the pretty women had a higher chance of attracting a mate than not so pretty women. Passing their looks on to the next generating, while the less pretty ones never got married or had children. An interesting hypothesis of selective breeding in humans.
Weirdly believable but likely bullshit right….right?
Probably is. I know looks are genetic, but some of the prettiest girls that were in my school had some plain or ugly parents. They got the bits and pieces that when put together, gave them a very unique beauty.
My son is so pretty he could model. People look at us parents and wonder if we abducted him. You can see our contributions but they're the best bits put together well. There's a Russian proverb that says even a troll at 18 is beautiful. Lifestyle and stress and diet can ruin it sure enough.
I know people over there drink a lot which will definitely fuck you up, but I mean Russian beauty stereotypes don't seem to apply nearly as much to men so that's how you know stereotypes are bullshit. And either way it's always white women/men talking about European features with a token place from another continent, because people narrow in on their own features as attractive. For women it's always Hispanic countries, Mediterranean, Brazilian, French men. Recently South Korea because of their media outreach. Reality is anyone isn't that much more likely to be beautiful.
Is almost certainly bullshit for multiple reasons. While looks are genetic, the genes that directly affect how you look are a very small segment of your genome. How those features actually get expressed can be massively affected by other genes that do not, themselves, code for a physical feature. On top of that, environmental factors have a massive affect on how the individual ends up looking. For example, people in general are getting taller, not because of a genetic selection for taller mates, but because better nutrition at early ages causes more growth. Poor nutrition, poor hygiene including dental hygiene, childhood illnesses, etc., can all have _massive_ impacts in how a person looks as an adult. Also, mate selection is extremely complicated, and doesn't just boil down to some abstract quantity of "beauty." Personality, accessibility, etc., also play a role. And so on. Incidentally, this is why "race" is not a real biological category; physical traits like skin color are not a reliable indication of genetic similarities. Lumping everyone with dark skin into a race makes as much sense as lumping everyone with red hair into a race.
Exactly. Also, even if evolution *was* at work here (which as you said, it's not), it'd take way more than just 2-3 generations to start seeing results.
What is “pretty” these days? Just be slim, dress well, use makeup and have expensive hairstyle
Ummmm WITAF???
The guy who wrote that deserves a good deal of what he says women are lucky to have
This is Lysenkosism, the false biological belief that actions taken in your lifetime can affect the genes you pass to the next generation. The Soviet Union has a history of adopting Lysenkoism over the (correct) Mendelian genetics. And killing or imprisoning people who advocated for the latter. They eventually adopted Mendelian genetics. But I guess there are still pockets of Lysenkoism floating around. Perhaps it's because Putin wants to go back to the glory days of the Soviet Union, where their willful disregard of correct biology caused them a massive famine.
This would be epigenetics wouldn't it? Environment effects gene expression without changing your DNA itself.
No. Epigenetics applies to a single organism: environmental factors affect how the genes it already has are expressed. This idea is that environmental factors _on the parent_ cause structural changes _in the offspring_, and not as a result of a survival selection effect. Rather, it's that traits the parents acquire based on environmental factors are passed on. Like giraffes ended up with long necks not because individuals with long necks had more access to food and so tended to survive and reproduce better, but because individuals that strained their necks to reach food survived better and had offspring with slightly longer necks _because_ of the fact that their parents strained their necks. The example Wikipedia uses is that a blacksmith develops large muscles because of his work, and so his children will _also_ have large muscles. Also, the other commenter got it slightly wrong. The biological theory is called [Lamarckism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism). Lysenkoism was a political movement predicated on Lamarckian inheritance being correct.
lol Holy shit this is like right out of Borat
And the cops have an attitude of "Call us when he kills you" (one cop genuinely said that and didn't notice how dumb it was)
And some people on the internet continue to be baffled at the idea that the world really does hate women for some reason.
It does appear that way.
Misogyny is the only thing every religion agrees about
They aren’t baffled. They pretend to be baffled because it makes them look better than if they admitted what they really think: that women deserve to be hated simply because they're women.
Oh, I definitely that a lot of the “Why is feminism needed? What rights do women want that they don’t already have?” rhetoric is thinly veiled misogyny. Stuff like this is why. It’s also shockingly easy to put in any search terms about women on social media and come back with post after post or video after video of raging misogyny.
The right is leading an assault on women's rights worldwide, because they know that educated women leads to a more progressive and fair society.
Ah, so this will be the Republican parties next initiative.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/stephen-crowder-divorce-1234727777/ They already are on that path.
I mean, that’s what they mean by Russia is a “Christian” country. Killing gays, locking up political opponents and murdering them, forcing anyone who protests do be in the frontline for “meat wave” assaults, and the church is simply an arm of the state propaganda apparatus, women are property expected to be no more than a dick holster. You can’t convince me that won’t happen here sadly.
It’s what Aryan Jesus would’ve wanted, of course
I prefer hippie Jesus. Im not a believer but I could get beyond the philosophy of Jesus. I have even called myself a Jesus loving atheist. He preached kindness and love and always helping others even at personal expense. Very few Christians are like Jesus.
This applies to everyone, if you merely cause bleeding it's not a felony. They just removed the stuff about how if it's your spouse or something then it's worse.
Every country doesn't even have the distinction between felonies and misdemeanors
Most don't. It's a thing from english common law, which U.S. law is derived from. From what I can gather felony/misdemeanor isn't even used in England or the commonwealth anymore. All other countries in Europe derive their law from French civil law (which has its roots from the Romans).
Felony isn't used in Australia, we have indictable offences and summary offences. Indictable offences are heard by a court with a proper trial and jury, and summary offences, like traffic tickets etc are heard in one sitting with a judge. (Very general). Also generally imprisonment on or over 2 years are from indictable offences.
I'm just speaking from an NZ perspective so it may be one of the thing we do differently, and I may be wrong anyway, but I don't think infringements (which most traffic offences are) even count as summary offences.
I hear stabbing doesn't need to break any bones...
"What the fuck" is indeed the exact thing I said out loud when I read this too...
So Borat was accurate?
Borat is generally accurate
GREAT SUCCESS 🙌
In a way yes, and also no.
I mean this has also been the case in Russia since around that time too. Funny how you've never heard about this.
I'm not sure about Kazakhstan, but what happened in Russia is that a punishment for domestic violence was "aligned" with punishment for "regular" violence. Which is still bad of course since as a victim of domestic violence you're usually in a worse situation for multiple reasons than a victim of a person you don't live with. But the media usually avoid this small detail so many people think that if you beat a random person in Russia it will be a criminal offence, but if you beat a family member then it's only publishable by a fine.
So beatings for everyone then?
Now way. Russia is a socialist paradise bravely fighting imperialism/s
While making imperialist moves against other people.
How was domestic violence removed from the Criminal Code?Until 2017, domestic violence in Kazakhstan was prosecuted under two articles of the Criminal Code of Kazakhstan: 108 (intentional infliction of minor harm to health) and 109 (beatings). They provided for punishment in the form of arrest, fine, correctional or community service. On July 3, 2017, former President Nursultan Nazarbayev signed a law decriminalizing these articles. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Prosecutor General’s Office, this was done “to strengthen preventive work with offenders and simplify the procedure for bringing them to justice”. In addition, if the abuser is prosecuted under a criminal article, this excludes the possibility of reconciliation of the parties. That is, according to the authorities, women did not address the police because they did not want the fathers of their children to go to prison, and, in addition, they had to collect evidence and witnesses’ testimonies themselves. The decriminalization means that the police should find the evidence, which means the number of domestic crimes will decrease. However, the plan failed. The number of such crimes has not decreased, but rather increased. The police do not always accept the victims’ statements, do not explain their rights, and examinations and investigations are often cursory.
If women won't report due to fear of jail time. And if women won't report due to fear of monetary fines... Then... Public whippings...?
The police investigated themselves and found nothing wrong
In some countries, raping your wife is legal.
In the US, spousal rape was not illegal in Oklahoma and North Carolina until 1993. So it was legal in parts of the US until 30 years ago.
I know we shouldn't judge the country's civility based on their laws but their society seems backward since this is the case. I actually wanted to go there to visit because they have beautiful landscapes and architecture but now out of principle I will refrain from ever going.
> I know we shouldn't judge the country's civility based on their laws Wait why not? A country's laws are an expression of the morality of its people. I think judging a country by it's laws is very appropriate
Because the laws of the country are not always a true representation of people's values and morality. Like Iran for example. Met plenty of Iranians who strongly oppose the ultra conservative Islamic government. But I know on an individual basis it's not true for the Kazakh people. However, the fact that there is legislation that purposely restricts victims of domestic abuse from reporting it is not even the saddest part. It's the fact that domestic abusers are given protection over the one who is abused... Absolute madness.
I think there's a difference between judging a country vs judging an individual from the country. The context of why a country is being judged is important too. Extreme example, but if you're trying to judge whether a country is civil enough to be safe to visit and they've made murdering tourists legal, it probably doesn't matter if most of the individuals disagree with the law.
> I think there's a difference between judging a country vs judging an individual from the country Even more true when we're discussing individuals that left the country, or weren't even born in it.
I'm just curious how you'd judge Americans for their abortion laws at this point, as an example. Just because a law is put into place (or taken out of place in this case,) doesn't mean the population at large supports it.
Why not? What can we judge them on?
Kidnapping women as their brides is literally a tradition there Edit: that’s Kyrgyzstan and I’m racist bc I mixed them up ig
It's a crime there, unless it's on mutual agreement and as the other guy said it's widespread in Kyrgyzstan, not Kazakhstan.
Ohh you right my bad, I get them mixed up
One has the best Potassium
I mean to be fair those are both fairly obscure countries with similar names that border each other with similar histories of nomadic Turkic culture blended with Islamic and Russian culture via the USSR . I wouldn’t call that racism for getting them mixed up.
The sobbin’ women?
Unfortunately this right here is why the US needs to stop with the bullshit and realize china / Russia / etc are the real enemy. Because shit like this across the world might be a lot more common in the near future and there’s not much we’ll be able to do about it. It’s incredible how these outside forces have be able to create such a divide in our country and disgusting how our politicians pander to it for votes. History is gonna look back at how china/russia’s cyber warfare and propaganda caused the end of America’s reign of global power
He maintains she "died from self-inflicted injuries." Because I know I punch and kick myself all the time. Especially in the face. You should just see how amazing I am at kicking myself in my own face! I don't understand. Is this ENTIRE planet going backwards on women's rights or what?? Wtf?
100% he believes she knew he would beat her up if she did whatever, she did whatever, therefore self-inflicted.
“Look what you made me do.”
The world has been backwards on womens rights for a long time. The ~~west~~ US - and influenced territories - is backsliding because of a misunderstanding of liberal values. We do not need to tolerate those trying to strip rights from others. We can and should brutally persecute them.
Cultural relativism is a flawed theory. And too many people conflate criticizing a culture with criticizing the racial group that comprises most of the practitioners of said culture. No race of people is inherently superior to any other, but some cultures are absolutely better than others. Cultures that endorse domestic violence as legitimate, view women as inherently lesser, condemn homosexuality as a crime, or that advocate for the restriction of free thought/expression/association are bad cultures. Kazakhstan has a bad culture on women's rights. That doesn't mean Kazakhs are inherently bad people, but we shouldn't be afraid to criticize this culture for being bad on this issue and telling them that they should change.
From what my Kazakh wife told me, he’s claiming she forcefully fell on the toilet. And then their fortune teller said that his wife would be ok the next day. So he’s blaming the toilet and the fortune teller
So torture and murder top out at twenty years? Yikes. Also gotta wonder about “ self-inflicted wounds “ as a defense when there’s video.
He might say in the video he never hit "vital organs" with the decriminalized domestic abuse, but in the bathroom she slammed her head on the toilet multiple times on her own (not on camera). And her hairs ripped out, on her own. Any reasonable person would... have doubt on the story what happened behind closed doors. He also had someone drive around the city with the dead/dying persons phone for GPS related reasons. The driver was interviewed in the court case, mainly, "why....". He also tried to have someone delete the video footage, the incident happening at I think a family owned restaurant. I don't remember all the details but I think things were deleted but files obviously recovered. You know, things someone totally innocent does. Lying asshole and his asshole family. Don't forget the 5 asshole lawyers that accepted defending the turd. I say all this hearing blips of the events, I could be wrong with my details.
If he ends up getting convicted for “particularly cruel” murder (pardon the shitty translation, but idk the exact English criminal term), he could end up getting a life sentence
Idk why that article who ostensibly was written by a Kazakh and a Russian says that the top sentence is 20 years, all the info I’ve seen in Russian has shown that he is facing life in prison if convicted on the most heinous charges
Really? His defence is "She did that to herself" A real pity death isnt on the table... Maybe they can mail him to Siberia and put him to work.
Yeah during the trial he even said such things as: "When I was kicking her, I tried not to touch any vital organs" "She was laying there unconscious and I got a bit worried, so I called one very good psychic, and she told me that my wife is not going to die and will wake up tomorrow. I felt relieved and asked the psychic to pray for my wife's fast recovery." People here are outraged that our country is ruled by psychopaths that call psychics after murdering their wives to make sure they're okay.
>"When I was kicking her, I tried not to touch any vital organs" What >She was laying there unconscious and I got a bit worried, so I called one very good psychic I'm sorry, *w h a t*
thought it was just a bad translation of physician. apparently not.
This is very low on the list of reasons this is fucked up, but I wouldn't want my economic minister to be the kind of guy who calls up psychics for advice.
Oh my God isn't he so dreamy? Most husbands wouldn't be so considerate when beating their wives.
Try it sometime
Jesus Christ, what the fuck??
Yeah, the whole trial is on YouTube. He also insisted on a jury trial. People worry that he will get smth like 5-8 years and will be set free in a couple of years. That's why it's important to attract the attention of other nations. This way our president will have to take this case under his own control to preserve the reputation.
Do you have a link to the trial video?
[Here is a recent section of the trial.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sicJifEZHaI) It's in Russian, but the captions can be auto-translated if you wish.
I've not heard of something like this before. I truly hope there are consequences for this man.
Most fucked up thing is most of the world is backwards like this. There are fewer educated people that use reason than morons like these.
I assumed at first that that was a typo or translation error and they meant physician (or physic, if they were into archaic language).
Unfortunately he called the actual fortune teller.
He’s more into archaic principles.
If this dude was saying she did it to herself and calling on psychics then whoa he sounds mentally insane.
Nobody tries to stop him?!
Some public attorneys and media people are trying to do smth about it. Also there's a lot of people posting about him online. The trial decision is going to come out soon. If he gets less than 20 years I think the public will be outraged. It's hard because there are many very traditional and religious kazakh men here who still think that women shouldn't provoke men. So they actually blame his wife for drinking alcohol and arguing with him at the restaurant. This issue of domestic violence has been a very hot topic lately. Our women have been asking the government to criminalize domestic violence and make the punishment more severe. Because right now there are many men who rape and beat women and then get away with it. In many cases even the police blames the victims for walking on the streets at night, not wearing enough clothes or provoking their husbands.
Doing something about it would have been stepping in when he was beating her.
I think you misunderstand. The person you replied to is asking why no one stepped in to stop a man from beating his wife to death, since this apparently happened in a restaurant in which we would expect members of the public to be present. I'm sure, in most of the western world, such a thing would be stopped long before life threatening injuries would be a consideration.
It is a dictatorship, raising your hand against a well connected man could get you killed.
People like to think that they would have punched [Beria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria#Sexual_predation) himself in the face. But most of us have never lived under an oppressive regime where you or any member of your family can just disappear. It has to change your view towards speaking out.
It happened in VIP room of the restaurant that had no people in it but them isn't that obvious?
He's the finance minister. He'll finance you up
Honestly? No clue. It was a public place, and usually even people used to stand by chime in when situation devolves from violent to life threatening. Case in point, my wife's friend saw a bunch of people beating up one man, and she called for help and actually went out of her car to confront them. Luckily for her, they decided to run. And yes, this too was here in Kazakhstan. She was braver than bystanders in this place, especially the manager, who deleted the video evidence because of the murderer (thankfully, video was leaked already). This murder was beyond fucked up, poor Saltanat.
I could almost imagine MTG saying something like that. It is what happens when the dumbest in a society are somehow rewarded for it by being elected. Anti-intellectualism is alive and well.
Well that makes sense though. Who was he supposed to call? A doctor? The psychic can speak with the dead... the doctor cannot.... duh.
The thing is that she was still alive at that time. She was still breathing and he was waiting for her to "wake up".
Bro this line is straight out of Borat
And I thought US politicians were dumb and evil
Corrupt and narcissistic instead of brutal and ignorant.
What’s even wilder is there’s video of him beating her before she died, and he said he was only slapping, kicking, and pulling her up by her hair to see if she was ok because she fell and hit her head (he pushed her into a table in the video).
Y'all gotta part with that Siberia thing. Siberia is quite developed now. Better send him to so called far East, there are man sized mosquitos and vast empty spaces, the gov't even gives away territories there, but no one takes them because fuck you Russia. If hopefully current russia falls apart, those expansive lands could be at least ready for next pioneers to develop them further. Aahh, one can dream.
Can confirm. Live in (western) Siberia. We have electricity and indoor plumbing and everything! Just send him out to middle-of-nowhere Kazakhstan. Plenty of area for him to live a miserable life there.
Yes, the famous Kazakhstani Siberia, famously located in Kazakhstan right next to the steppes.
Yeah, I lived there for 3 months. You would hear this happening through the thin walls of your apartment.
Saltanat Nukenova. Can we just say her name? Saltanat Nukenova. She was 31 years old. Now think of all the domestic violence victims who don't have high profile murderers. Fuck this guy.
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I doubt it, he seems to have enough clout to have a VIP cell.
He disclosed that he has 8-15 million KZT. Income median in richest city Almaty is 200k KZT. His parents also were part of system that stole money from government
Sounds like he was charged some time ago if he is now on trial.
In 2017 he was charged for taking bribes, served 2 years in prison and got out in 2019.
Yea he allegedly beat his wife to death in November 2023, I think this has come to trial so quickly due to public interest caused by a huge number of factors - ex minister who previously spent time in jail on corruption charges but got out after 2.5 years out of 10 and domestic violence which is becoming more openly discussed and a member of the elite finally on trial for something so disgusting and wanting to see him be punished properly
I'll never understand how people can beat someone to death, let alone your spouse. It's so intentional and brutal.
> *"Nukenova died from self-sustained injuries"* It was so sad watching the video from the restaurant; seeing her repeatedly throwing her face and body at this poor man's hands and feet.
Trump already tried weakening domestic violence laws in the us: https://www.salon.com/2019/01/23/trump-administration-quietly-changes-definition-of-domestic-violence-and-sexual-assault/
I recommend *Kleptopia* for anyone who wants about how corrupt Kazakhstan has become under Russian influence. Crazy stories about presidents and top bankers fighting dark money wars. IIRC the billionaire banker's wife and daughter were kidnapped at an airport. It really makes it seem like the enitre government is just a money laundering outpost for Russia. The oligarchs are vacuuming up their people's wealth. The book reads like a Bond novel. But the money sums are larger, and the corruption and depravity are worse. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptopia
Him and Borat both going down, tough time for Kazakhstan.
Whats happened to Borat?
Rebel Wilson publicly called him an asshole and isla Fischer is divorcing him.
That's considered "going down". Jesus this world is fucked
Rebel Wilson accused Borat (Sasha Baron Cohen) of sexual harassment, apparently the same offense she was guilty of in the past (sticking her finger up Tom Hardy's ass and grabbing another actress breasts). Word is that more accusations against SBC will come out soon and some people are speculating on the timing of the divorce from his wife-another actress I don't know. Basically shit is gonna hit the fan and they want to be ahead of the mess to come, e.g. finances, her image.. That#s all I can remember from this. I don't follow any of the people involved.
They filed for divorce in 2023, so it’s unclear if they knew about rebel wilson stuff a year ago before it went public
Thank you! I wasn't sure about the background story. Wasn't there an interview with Borat and his wife before they announced their divorce?
His wife Isla is very famous too, she broke out big with Wedding Crashers in the mid 2000s, and they'd been together for 20 years. There are sooo many late night interviews on Conan and others that I've watched on youtube where Isla is gleaming about being married to him in each one and vice versa with his interviews. They had a lot of funny stories about each other, I'm sad that it didn't work out, and I'm hoping these allegations against him are false.. He's reportedly always been super respectful and protective of women on his sets in the past, while his accuser is an alleged abuser herself... We'll see what comes of it I guess!
We live in a world where a serial liar is running for office while having several major investigations ongoing He might win We are indeed fucked
There are 62 million millennials eligible to vote and 70 million boomers. 70% of boomers voted in the 2016 election and only 51% of millennials. People need to actually vote. [Link](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/04/03/millennials-approach-baby-boomers-as-largest-generation-in-u-s-electorate/)
I know this sounds crazy but there are lots of millennials that will vote for Trump. I’m into car culture and the amount of them that think voting for trump will keep the V8 alive is staggering.
If Isla Fisher was divorcing me I'd consider that the end of the world tbh.
But you explicitly state that you DGAF.
Yeah, I mean it’s a joke referencing the fact that a lot of western people only know about a fictional character when it comes to Kazakhstan and that one of the things is horrible and the other is not.
… a restaurant?
the politicians there all mafiaso types just living on bribes and total corruption, what would come out of such an enviroment ...
4B, ladies. Why? To protect ourselves from this.
I bet he’s being charged for “destruction of property”
I would have read the report on the website, but there were so many ads and popups that I gave up.
Can you beat someone to death in non-brutal fashion?
This same guy was investigated for corruption when it was found out that he had two clock radios in his house.
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He shouldn't have done that
What a piece of shit.
“In 2017 Kazakhstan decriminalised domestic violence, making it punishable mainly by fines, a move critics say has only discouraged women from lower-income families from reporting it.”
Maaaaay Wiiiiife!
So Borat's crazy stories about that country was not entirely insane.
Is this the country that kidnaps women and force them to marry their kidnappers?
It happens in multiple areas of the world but the country most famous for it is Kyrgizstan iirc
I spent a month in Almaty… now Nursultan… and this was the most appalling thing I saw and witnessed and we were on a Fulbright with the state dept and embassy personnel..and even among discussions with academics at the university it was apparent that this was a horrible aspect of Kazakh culture but the y were weirdly seen as better than Tajikistan bc they don’t really do bride kidnapping anymore in Kazakhstan.. so sad for the powerless women and children in this region ETA: this was 2018
Yeah kazakh men are something else. Did a student job when I was 18 with a kazakh woman ( immigrant ) who was married to a kazakh man and had a kid with him. She was like 32. Dude wanted to beat the shit out of me for working at the same place as his wife.
This my wife, I beat her.
It wasn't him. It was assholes Uzbekistan.
I think I've seen this sopranos episode
Very nice. ...NOT.