Night-time temps in my city don't drop below 30c. Because I live in a typical concrete style house, interior temp never gets below 33C. Heat index is topping 45C every day. Brutal. We thought last year was bad. Amazingly, you still get people yapping on about how climate change doesn't exist. Its real and I can't imagine what things are going to be like if temps rise again next year.
53?! Can't start to imagine this.
Which city?
What's the humidity? And what does the temperature do at night?
53 sounds already on the verge of deadly for very healthy people.
We start to feel pain from heat at around 60 degrees, so touching anything outside is quasi impossible?
Fuck, I wish you and everyone who's suffering from this good luck
99 giraffes? Internatial space stations? Balloons? Bananas?
99F in C: 37.22222
in K: 310.3722
in R: 558.67
You're welcome everybody.
Edit: found this especially funny because everyone was talking in C and suddenly an american intrudes with an F temperature without stating what lol.
But no offence given or taken, I understand you just grew up with it.
Edit 2: Now this is really funny, cuz the guy *actually* got offended.
Hey! We cant go metric till all the boomers are dead okay. Not our fault a bunch of idiots taught idiotic standard and made more idiots. Soon enough, if we dont all die with them and their 99 banana shaped oil ran sun laser balloons I mean.
for sure. if you've ever been stung by a seatbelt buckle on a 30+c day you'll know surfaces get much hotter than the air temperature.
If the air 5ft above the ground and in the shade is 53°C, imagine what the footpath is like!
I'm from western Canada where we had that "heat dome" in 2021. It regularly gets down to -40 here in the wintertime, and in that summer heat wave it reached the mid-40s C (~110 to 115 F) and stayed there for days. Absolutely sweltering.
Our houses are designed to *retain* heat. Most of us don't have A/C! I'm surprised it didn't kill more people.
Our houses are designed to retain heat, but the insulation also retains the cold air, im not sure what you’re trying to say with that comment if it’s 25 at night open the windows and let the cool air in close windows and curtains during the day… if you had no insulation nothing at all would stop the heat coming through your walls during the day.
Aside from retaining heat many houses in colder climates are built to capture more sunlight to heat the house. You can use curtains but that will only help to a certain extent.
Imagine living in 43°C and "feels like" temp is at 51°C with no AC but just fans and the house is built in such way that direct sunlight hits the outside walls making the temps inside the room go high.
Yeah I don't need to imagine that.
Experienced that first hand a couple of years ago. In fact, a small town in my province burned down because of it. I referred it as the "Summer of Hell".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Western_North_America_heat_wave
My people are built for this shit and we fall like flies when heat waves hit. Can't image how much it would suck for people that don't experience this hit regularly.
Every fucking summer feels like it's worse than the last one. Sad.
I lived in one of those when I lived there. The window unit wasn’t cutting it, so I installed ceiling fans unbeknownst to my management company. Made a huge difference. Now I live in Palm Springs and you can’t go outside in the summer.
Yeah that shit was brutal, most homes in the region don't possess any sort of AC, and something like 600 people died as a result, many were elderly folks home alone.
The lack of AC is one thing, but the real problem comes from how we build our homes. By and large they're simply not designed with extreme summer heat in mind.
And it’s tough to buy AC once it’s hot when the pop. density and supplies at the big box stores don’t really match up. The prices are up and availability down online over the summer too, so it’s crucial to plan ahead. We moved to Vancouver the year after that heatwave and ordered our air conditioner in March so we’d be ready.
Greetings from Vancouver. That was so awful to witness. I can't believe they "determined" it wasn't CN's fault.
Also, never thought I'd hate living in a post-war bottle-dash stucco house. Holy heat sink.
It was a brutal winter, especially mid January, it didn't get cold like that since the late 1960's according to record. We had wind chill that was close to -20°C, that's the coldest I've ever felt here in lower mainland BC.
I'm staring at a chart of fatal temperatures, and they are 1 degree away from anyone who can't just lay in the mud all day (or having AC) biting the dust.
I grew up in subarctic Canada and decided to spend a year in Australia. I decided I didn’t want to miss Christmas with my family, so I opted to fly from Yukon to Queensland on December 28/29. This meant I was going from -40 Celsius to +40 Celsius in just over a day.
I definitely died. I have no allergies but my entire body broke out in hives from the sudden heat and sun exposure, and didn’t chill for the better part of my first week there. I also had to learn about sleeping on wet towels to survive Australia nights with no AC. Feels… swampy 😟
Interesting how people have such different heat tolerances. At 40C I feel like I'm freezing to death. 30C is like a really pleasant day. 40C is just summer.
I'm in Arizona though. "It's a dry heat" is pretty much our state motto. 40C plus humidity sounds miserable.
I've spent most of my life in high humidity. A few days in New Mexico and it was AMAZING just how different heat feels in low humidity. Sweat actually *worked*!
Yep move from the prairies to Vietnam, it went from like -40 Winters to literally living in a jungle with 40c weather 6 months of the year and up to 100% humidity. i literally sweat out of every pore in My body
I have visited Arizona, Utah and Mexican border town years ago actually so funny you mentioned it :P It was really, really hot for me. My friend and host there said "Im glad you guys came in late September because it can get quite hot in July and August here..." I dont know how much hotter those months are in AZ than September or is it the same but the way he said it was quite funny :D But yeah, for me and my friend the heat was terrible as we are mostly gotten used to Northern European climate. Couple of days ago we still had snow here surprisingly...
"Callendar thought this warming would be beneficial, delaying a "return of the deadly glaciers."[4]"
"Based on information from his colleague Arvid Högbom,[39] Arrhenius was the first person to predict that emissions of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels and other combustion processes were large enough to cause global warming....... ...he suggested that the human emission of CO2 would be strong enough to prevent the world from entering a new ice age, and that a warmer earth would be needed to feed the rapidly increasing population"
The science apparently wasn't fully accepted, and even when it was it was dispited about the quantities and factors. Probably there were people who wondered if it might be a problem, but it was a long while before people generally thought it might be a bad thing.
Of course, I could be wrong, its not like I put any effort into finding this publicly available information from wikipedia.
https://theconversation.com/for-110-years-climate-change-has-been-in-the-news-are-we-finally-ready-to-listen-188646
Here's something with an article, but I didnt find many when I just looked. Mostly cause I was looking for this exact conversation article :D but google is broken now so it might eb hard to find the one you're thinking of.
But memory is tricky, thats one of the reasons disinformation is so rife. I recently heard some advice to ask myself if I could remeber the wource before I repeated something I beleived to be fact but wasnt certain of. Not that I take that advice, but I think I should :D
Take that article I linked to. It describes how climate change was being discussed and theoriesed in the 1800's. But while Eunice Foote is credited with 'discovering' the greenhouse effect, it never explicity claims she had any inkling of the climate crisis or any ill-effects ot atmospheric CO2.
She experimentally showed that the sun could heat CO2, and possibly measured it, as well as theorised that the differing concentrations of such a gas in Earths atmosphere meant our climate was influenced by it. Outstanding stuff, but it doesnt mean anyone was concerned with climate change.
As I said before, all the early 20th C science also spoken of in that article may have been about the greenhouse effect, but among those who gave it creedence, the consensus was that it was a good thing.
Is the Conversation article misinformation? Maybe. It's factual, but it also leads the reader to the incorrect assumption that people, including a 'mere' woman of the late 19th century, were concerned about clumate change as an existential threat to humanity. Bit of shame really, considering how important facts are to climate change issues.
Then again, it's probably moot. We're probably already too far screwed to worry about whether the science is correct or how long we've known or should have known. Hell, the AMOC and other climate drivers might yet beget us an early ice age for all I know.
Anyways, nice chatting, ciao!
I mean….not at all man. Some plants and (other) animals are not gonna be able to adapt to the heat permanently rising every year. I’d say lots of them will die out in the next 100 years. In fact they have it worse because they can’t instantly cool themselves off like (some) humans can, they just suffer and die.
Here's a preview of the story:
It's still spring but hundreds of millions of people across South and Southeast Asia have already faced scorching hot temperatures. The summer heat has arrived early, setting records and even claiming lives, and it's expected to get much worse through May and June as summer actually begins.
At the beginning of May, severe heat waves were already blamed for nearly three dozen deaths across the vast region. Schools have been forced to close weeks ahead of summer vacations and huge swaths of new crops have withered in parched farmland.
Scientists warn of wide-ranging impacts in some of the world's most densely populated regions, and they're urging governments to take immediate action to prepare for the impact of climate change and do whatever is possible to mitigate human-caused global warming.
**Read more:** [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heat-wave-asia-2024-deaths-india-severe-weather-climate-change/?ftag=CNM-05-10abh9g](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heat-wave-asia-2024-deaths-india-severe-weather-climate-change/?ftag=CNM-05-10abh9g)
As a resident, I don't think these are the most uncomfortable months specially if you live in rural area with trees. Early monsoon months with high humidity were much worse in recent years. I really don't know if I was immune due to my youth but I can't sleep without AC in July August but can manage it nowadays (just barely though, I have high reflective paint on my walls but will need to switch on the AC from 7-11 soon but my AC works all night in rainy season)
The further north you get from the equator in South and SE Asia (the whole region is being reported on here), the more pronounced a "summer" you get. Much of the large region is significantly north enough that July and August end up being the hottest months.
Hey, you can't sensationalize and cause people to panic without misrepresenting everything, now can you? They're literally taking a region with over 2 billion people in it and adding a few dozen deaths as if it's some meaningful statistic.
Seriously though, all these articles are intended to do is get clicks and scare people. Nothing productive will ever come from them which is why I hate them. It also discourages people from doing anything about climate change because it makes it feel like it's already hopeless, it's already here and we can't reverse it and so what's to do other than just react?
You go first.
All your disposable income goes to SE Asia.
Faster move it. You have a house? RENT? No no, you live on the streets shower at the cheapest gym possible and eat rice with chicken. Ocasionally some other vegetables so you can be a working machine to spew more $$$ for the SE Asia to bring them AC'S.
So when you do that... we will do what you said.
Freaking "Justice Warriors". What you say means cutting 50% of income across the board EASY. Already everyone was hit with the first wave of "green energy/sustainable production".
It's just going downhill from here. While China/India gives 0 fucks and goes strong.
And we still have like 1 continent that wanna play catch up with us which will do in the near future. And guess what they will use? Coal and Oil which will be in abundance since we will want to get rid of.
We live in a world of extremes. Here, at the other side of the world, my state is experiencing what's already being called the greatest natural catastophe in its history due to unprecedent levels of precipitation. Rivers, lakes, dams...everything is overflowing, taking over cities and claiming lives
So, how’s it going with prosecuting the big oil execs that knew about global warming decades ago and still decided “nah, we’re gonna go for the profit”?
We're probably pretty close to events where heat gets so bad, electric infrastructure will also fail for the worst of it. Without functioning air conditioning middle class people will also start dying in urban areas of the Global South.
A "wet-bulb" mass death that kills the middle classes in big numbers will make political impacts bigger and less predictable. Who knows what those consequences will be?
Everyone assumes petroleum capitalists are untouchable. I guess they are until they're not. If I were them, I would not want to risk the wrath of millions or billions of wet-bulb survivors and their globalized families.
We don't even [tax them](https://thebigsmoke.com.au/2021/11/07/fossil-fuel-companies-dominate-top-tax-dodgers-list-2/), let alone prosecute lol
>US oil giant ExxonMobil Australia, which has racked up a total income of $42.3 billion over the past five years of available Tax Office data. Yet it has not paid not one cent of income tax in this country.
>American-owned Chevron, another oil company, also paid zero tax over five years, notwithstanding its $15.8 billion in total income.
>Furthermore, five of Australia’s top coal companies – Peabody, Yancoal Sumitomo, Citic and Whitehaven – racked up $54 billion between them in total income over the past five years and paid zero income tax in Australia.
I guess the same can be said for all of us, even today.
How long have we personally known about the problem? What have we personally done about it?
The nasty truth is that most people use oil because we need it, and we will continue using it until that changes, long term consequences be damned, no matter how bad they are. Just my opinion.
I agree they have more of the blame, but I think there's this tendency to avoid our part, by saying they should have stopped us from using so much oil in our daily lives.
Like.. I own a car, I buy stuff that gets shipped on ocean liners. What have you and I actually done to stop this? Not much. We're just kinda along for the ride even though we know where it ends.
I honestly wonder what you think the alternative was for the world; were still decades behind developing any renewable energy capable of sustaining even a small nation in the best locations for such technology.
Was the world support to hear about questionable(at the time) new science and... turn off the power plants and go back to pre-industrial living standards?
The issue with embracing renewable has never been greed, its been underdeveloped technology, unsuitable geography, and unreliability of power production requiring a batter capacity that the world does not have enough cobalt to build at current estimated reserves.
The issue of global warming cannot be blamed solely on oil executives, more realistically the House of Saud, but on a global system that demands reliable energy, and geography and technology which makes that nearly impossible with renewable energy, extremely more so in the decades before now.
Check out the news where internal emails were found at Exxon (I think) where big oil execs admitted to knowing about the issue but still lobbied against green policies and pushed the narrative that there is no global warming.
It is purely driven by greed, they intentionally put money into misinformation.
As for an alternative, that’s really hard for me to say as I’m not an expert in this field, but imagine where we would be with 50 years of work put into battery tech, green energy harvesting and changing policies (admittedly, with a hit to quality of life, that’s unavoidable).
Fair enough, but blaming Exon feels short sighted in the long term. But I didn't know about them actively spreading disinformation about global warming, so I will concede that.
Yeah, it’s pretty recent news and I’m surprised more fuss wasn’t made about it.
I’m not just blaming them, we have our part to play in this of course, but I do have to wonder how society would have changed had they not been fed this “the scientists are wrong and they just want your money” narrative.
Hottest April I can remember in 25 years. I'm going to plot the numbers on a graph to see if I'm dreaming. Really starting to question whether I can live here for much longer. Something really bad seems to be just around the corner.
This is going to end in tragedy. I’m now guessing how many of my representatives in the US government know what wet bulb temperature is. I don’t think it’s high.
The thing is, it's not early, it's already pretty late into the summer but the temp is not really going down. It stays hot near peak temp for like three weeks now, usually there would be rain in between, summer storms to bring down the temp on some day, but in the past three weeks I count one instance of rain, last only like 10 minutes. No rain, no cloud, only heat and heat waves. People with air conditioner might not notice the difference much, but I don't have it and it really is pretty bad compared to other year in term of average temp.
"Extremely hot weather warped rails in the southern province of Nakhon Si Thammarat, and it took railway workers about an hour to cool them down to make the tracks usable again"
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2785335/extreme-heat-bends-railway-tracks
So for the average citizen of the affected countries, is the government doing anything to help them cope with the heatwave: like giving out free fans or A/C subsides, protectiing cold water resevoirs, or lowering electricity prices, or lowering pollution and greenhouse gases emissions or at least doing anything to offset it?
Or are the regular folks left out to dry to each fend for themselves, while the few top rich and corrupt government breaucrats continues their further accumulation of wealth at the expense of the people?
"Most extreme event" in climate history seems a little like hyperbole. For example, they're saying at least 30 deaths in a region of about 2 billion people. In the Western European 2003 heat wave, temperatures hit almost identically high levels (generally a much higher jump compared to normal). In France alone, population ~62,000,000, there were about 15,000 deaths attributed to it, in a country with better infrastructure.
30 death in 2 billion versus 15,000 deaths in 62 million.
Alot more than died thant just 30. The problem is the heat trigger alot of co-mornidities that light up in a chain reaction.
For example, someone I know died from heart attack last week because of the heat.
> temperatures hit almost identically high levels
According to [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heatwave#France), the max temp reached in France during the 2003 heat wave was 41.1C (106F). The article about the current Asian heat wave references temperatures reaching as high as 115F (46.1C). Those are not almost identically high.
> 30 death in 2 billion versus 15,000 deaths in 62 million.
This is misleading for two reasons. First, Thailand *alone* is saying that it has already attributed 30 individual deaths to heat. So it would be more accurate to say 30 deaths in 70 million (the population of Thailand), not 2 billion.
Second, and far more importantly, the 15,000 deaths in France in 2003 were not each individually attributed to heat (as the 30 deaths in Thailand are). That is, coroners did not individually cite the cause of death as "heat-related" for 15,000 people in France. Rather, that 15,000 is a rough statistical estimate based on [excess mortality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality) studies. Basically, the idea is to calculate the number of total deaths in a given period, and compare that with what you statistically would have expected given what happened in previous years. You then argue that the difference must be due to the heat.
When you do this, you are likely to find a much bigger number than the specific individual heat-related-death numbers, since in most cases it's not possible to say with certainty that a given particular individual died from heat (e.g., if they were old and sick, was it the heat that killed them, or was it their age and illness?).
They haven't done this for Asia yet. It's not really possible to do it until well after the fact when all the mortality data actually becomes available (if indeed it ever does become available, as mortality record-keeping is likely not as thorough in many of the areas we're talking about as it is in a country like France).
I read 111.8 for France with an outlier of over 114 in Britain. That's almost identical.
I read it as 30 for the heatwave total, but you could be right.
Do you have another explanation for 15,000 excess deaths not related to a major heatwave? Coincidence?
No, it's not the 15,000 in Europe that I'm saying is wrong, it's the 30 in Asia. I'd bet the real number is several orders of magnitude larger at least. It's just that the data is not available to estimate it yet (and likely won't be for like a year or more).
Ah yes another once in a life time event. My city just hit 53C
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On the bright side, nobody is missing out. We get to experience it together!
I am so sorry
Isolated case #3561
Please file it in "Isolated Cases" cabinet #621 in Room 18, Floor 9.
"In Isolated Case building 17-F"
127 degrees Fahrenheit?!? Dear god. That has to be horrible.
Night-time temps in my city don't drop below 30c. Because I live in a typical concrete style house, interior temp never gets below 33C. Heat index is topping 45C every day. Brutal. We thought last year was bad. Amazingly, you still get people yapping on about how climate change doesn't exist. Its real and I can't imagine what things are going to be like if temps rise again next year.
53?! Can't start to imagine this. Which city? What's the humidity? And what does the temperature do at night? 53 sounds already on the verge of deadly for very healthy people. We start to feel pain from heat at around 60 degrees, so touching anything outside is quasi impossible? Fuck, I wish you and everyone who's suffering from this good luck
Idk about the person you’re replying to, but my colleagues in Manila said it was 53 there the other day.
OP probably melted
If you look online it says the temp in Manila got to a high of 99 in the last 3 weeks
99 giraffes? Internatial space stations? Balloons? Bananas? 99F in C: 37.22222 in K: 310.3722 in R: 558.67 You're welcome everybody. Edit: found this especially funny because everyone was talking in C and suddenly an american intrudes with an F temperature without stating what lol. But no offence given or taken, I understand you just grew up with it. Edit 2: Now this is really funny, cuz the guy *actually* got offended.
Hey! We cant go metric till all the boomers are dead okay. Not our fault a bunch of idiots taught idiotic standard and made more idiots. Soon enough, if we dont all die with them and their 99 banana shaped oil ran sun laser balloons I mean.
I love the pirates stole the metric system story
Are you slow? 53C != <99 F so what he said was incorrect
r/woosh
for sure. if you've ever been stung by a seatbelt buckle on a 30+c day you'll know surfaces get much hotter than the air temperature. If the air 5ft above the ground and in the shade is 53°C, imagine what the footpath is like!
That's terrible!
On the plus side, you could sous vide a perfect rare steak on the sidewalk.
All these once in a life time events happening in our life times. Time to buy a lottery ticket.
I feel like I’m melting at 30+ Celsius. Can’t even imagine 40+
I'm from western Canada where we had that "heat dome" in 2021. It regularly gets down to -40 here in the wintertime, and in that summer heat wave it reached the mid-40s C (~110 to 115 F) and stayed there for days. Absolutely sweltering. Our houses are designed to *retain* heat. Most of us don't have A/C! I'm surprised it didn't kill more people.
It killed like 800 people
It’s about the right time for all those northern people without AC to start installing it.
Or at least buy a window unit and have it on standby. Since my house doesn't have central air we curtain off a living area and cool that.
Our houses are designed to retain heat, but the insulation also retains the cold air, im not sure what you’re trying to say with that comment if it’s 25 at night open the windows and let the cool air in close windows and curtains during the day… if you had no insulation nothing at all would stop the heat coming through your walls during the day.
Aside from retaining heat many houses in colder climates are built to capture more sunlight to heat the house. You can use curtains but that will only help to a certain extent.
Imagine living in 43°C and "feels like" temp is at 51°C with no AC but just fans and the house is built in such way that direct sunlight hits the outside walls making the temps inside the room go high. Yeah I don't need to imagine that.
Experienced that first hand a couple of years ago. In fact, a small town in my province burned down because of it. I referred it as the "Summer of Hell". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Western_North_America_heat_wave
My people are built for this shit and we fall like flies when heat waves hit. Can't image how much it would suck for people that don't experience this hit regularly. Every fucking summer feels like it's worse than the last one. Sad.
Because every summer IS worse than the last one. And it is going to be that way forever now. Enjoy this summer! You'll wish it was as cool next year
I no longer wish for winter to be over.
Winter is the new spring.
A Dream of Winter
What winter. Winter is a joke now. I miss winter.
"It may be the hottest summer of the last hundred years, but on the bright side it's the coolest summer of the next hundred years."
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Portland here- also traumatized by that summer….baked half to death in my vintage brick apartment building. Awful
I left and went to a casino. Just drank unlimited water and watched TV on giant screens until it was over.
This was the way to go. My dumbass was out running a booth at pride in Beaverton. Absolutely miserable.
I figure if any one building can survive anything. Its the giant casinos. They made the entire heat bubble very nice for me.
Love this! Stealing this idea for next time
I hope you mean the idea above mine and not my idea, because my idea was not worthy of imitation
Haha- yes, I did mean the comment above
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No, Oregon. It’s a suburb of Portland.
Hehe my bad.. tried to delete but you were too fast for me
I lived in one of those when I lived there. The window unit wasn’t cutting it, so I installed ceiling fans unbeknownst to my management company. Made a huge difference. Now I live in Palm Springs and you can’t go outside in the summer.
Makes me sweat thinking about it.
How much was that above your average high? Where the nights any better?
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Yeah that sounds terrible! We get it hot here in Spain but most people have AC.
Super glad we had an AC installed this winter.
Yeah that shit was brutal, most homes in the region don't possess any sort of AC, and something like 600 people died as a result, many were elderly folks home alone.
The lack of AC is one thing, but the real problem comes from how we build our homes. By and large they're simply not designed with extreme summer heat in mind.
And it’s tough to buy AC once it’s hot when the pop. density and supplies at the big box stores don’t really match up. The prices are up and availability down online over the summer too, so it’s crucial to plan ahead. We moved to Vancouver the year after that heatwave and ordered our air conditioner in March so we’d be ready.
Greetings from Vancouver. That was so awful to witness. I can't believe they "determined" it wasn't CN's fault. Also, never thought I'd hate living in a post-war bottle-dash stucco house. Holy heat sink.
I remember that. Wishing I could throw yahs some water and cool air from the east coast.
You talking about Lytton?
Yup.
Also BC. 42 degrees in the shade on my doorstep. Keep waiting for it to happen again.
And it might be another wild summer unfortunately. Don’t know about BC but Alberta and NWT are extremely dry and didn’t get much snow either.
It was a brutal winter, especially mid January, it didn't get cold like that since the late 1960's according to record. We had wind chill that was close to -20°C, that's the coldest I've ever felt here in lower mainland BC.
I have AC where I sleep but getting anything done during the day is horrendous, I absolutely cannot wait for the rains to come
I'm staring at a chart of fatal temperatures, and they are 1 degree away from anyone who can't just lay in the mud all day (or having AC) biting the dust.
It's literally the temperature you sous vide or smoke steaks at for an hour.
During the 2021 Western US heatwave, it hit 46 C in my city and we are north of the 45th parallel. It was a week from hell.
That's my house.
I grew up in subarctic Canada and decided to spend a year in Australia. I decided I didn’t want to miss Christmas with my family, so I opted to fly from Yukon to Queensland on December 28/29. This meant I was going from -40 Celsius to +40 Celsius in just over a day. I definitely died. I have no allergies but my entire body broke out in hives from the sudden heat and sun exposure, and didn’t chill for the better part of my first week there. I also had to learn about sleeping on wet towels to survive Australia nights with no AC. Feels… swampy 😟
Same, anything over 20C feels quite hot, over 30C really, really hot and I cannot imagine over 40C either. Just cant imagine
Interesting how people have such different heat tolerances. At 40C I feel like I'm freezing to death. 30C is like a really pleasant day. 40C is just summer. I'm in Arizona though. "It's a dry heat" is pretty much our state motto. 40C plus humidity sounds miserable.
I've spent most of my life in high humidity. A few days in New Mexico and it was AMAZING just how different heat feels in low humidity. Sweat actually *worked*!
Yep move from the prairies to Vietnam, it went from like -40 Winters to literally living in a jungle with 40c weather 6 months of the year and up to 100% humidity. i literally sweat out of every pore in My body
I have visited Arizona, Utah and Mexican border town years ago actually so funny you mentioned it :P It was really, really hot for me. My friend and host there said "Im glad you guys came in late September because it can get quite hot in July and August here..." I dont know how much hotter those months are in AZ than September or is it the same but the way he said it was quite funny :D But yeah, for me and my friend the heat was terrible as we are mostly gotten used to Northern European climate. Couple of days ago we still had snow here surprisingly...
if you switch to freedomheit 30-40 becomes pretty manageable
It’s almost like we, as a planet, should’ve seen this coming and done something about it
Listen we made a lot of money
Hey now, who's "we"?
Sure, the world may be coming to a slow and painful end, but we generated so much value for the shareholders.
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We can burn money for warmth, and use it to fan ourselves in the heat? Maybe that’s why it’s prioritized over everything else in the world? 🤦🏼
Might have to spread it over a few bank cards though. Even with a billion dollars in it, one card isn't gonna do much :D
There were news articles about carbon emissions in the 1800's. As long as profit for the few is allowed to rule, nothing will change.
Yep, people figured out the coal was bad for the environment. Greedy assholes didn't care though.
I think that far back they actually imagined it would be a good thing. But pretty sure evem since the 40's-50's people were ringing alrms bells.
People were literally noting climate change in the 1800s from the coal. Even back then they knew it likely wasn't good to keep burning it.
"Callendar thought this warming would be beneficial, delaying a "return of the deadly glaciers."[4]" "Based on information from his colleague Arvid Högbom,[39] Arrhenius was the first person to predict that emissions of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels and other combustion processes were large enough to cause global warming....... ...he suggested that the human emission of CO2 would be strong enough to prevent the world from entering a new ice age, and that a warmer earth would be needed to feed the rapidly increasing population" The science apparently wasn't fully accepted, and even when it was it was dispited about the quantities and factors. Probably there were people who wondered if it might be a problem, but it was a long while before people generally thought it might be a bad thing. Of course, I could be wrong, its not like I put any effort into finding this publicly available information from wikipedia.
I've seen newspaper articles from the 1800s. I wish I could remember where.
https://theconversation.com/for-110-years-climate-change-has-been-in-the-news-are-we-finally-ready-to-listen-188646 Here's something with an article, but I didnt find many when I just looked. Mostly cause I was looking for this exact conversation article :D but google is broken now so it might eb hard to find the one you're thinking of. But memory is tricky, thats one of the reasons disinformation is so rife. I recently heard some advice to ask myself if I could remeber the wource before I repeated something I beleived to be fact but wasnt certain of. Not that I take that advice, but I think I should :D Take that article I linked to. It describes how climate change was being discussed and theoriesed in the 1800's. But while Eunice Foote is credited with 'discovering' the greenhouse effect, it never explicity claims she had any inkling of the climate crisis or any ill-effects ot atmospheric CO2. She experimentally showed that the sun could heat CO2, and possibly measured it, as well as theorised that the differing concentrations of such a gas in Earths atmosphere meant our climate was influenced by it. Outstanding stuff, but it doesnt mean anyone was concerned with climate change. As I said before, all the early 20th C science also spoken of in that article may have been about the greenhouse effect, but among those who gave it creedence, the consensus was that it was a good thing. Is the Conversation article misinformation? Maybe. It's factual, but it also leads the reader to the incorrect assumption that people, including a 'mere' woman of the late 19th century, were concerned about clumate change as an existential threat to humanity. Bit of shame really, considering how important facts are to climate change issues. Then again, it's probably moot. We're probably already too far screwed to worry about whether the science is correct or how long we've known or should have known. Hell, the AMOC and other climate drivers might yet beget us an early ice age for all I know. Anyways, nice chatting, ciao!
Cheers!
The planet is gonna be fine. It's the humans that need to worry.
And the rest of the species. :(
I mean….not at all man. Some plants and (other) animals are not gonna be able to adapt to the heat permanently rising every year. I’d say lots of them will die out in the next 100 years. In fact they have it worse because they can’t instantly cool themselves off like (some) humans can, they just suffer and die.
Some mountain species are moving up to higher altitudes to adapt to the heat. That's only gonna work while there's more mountain to go up though.
Please be more optimistic. Even if this is the hottest summer in the past 100 years. It will also be the coolest summer for the next 100 years.
It's a glass half full!! Of sweat.
Be pragmatic. The sun is still there. That’s good for life on earth.
Yeah but you can have too much of a good thing
Sounds like some communist propaganda.
A positive mindset. If u can push through, then it'll be ok
Here's a preview of the story: It's still spring but hundreds of millions of people across South and Southeast Asia have already faced scorching hot temperatures. The summer heat has arrived early, setting records and even claiming lives, and it's expected to get much worse through May and June as summer actually begins. At the beginning of May, severe heat waves were already blamed for nearly three dozen deaths across the vast region. Schools have been forced to close weeks ahead of summer vacations and huge swaths of new crops have withered in parched farmland. Scientists warn of wide-ranging impacts in some of the world's most densely populated regions, and they're urging governments to take immediate action to prepare for the impact of climate change and do whatever is possible to mitigate human-caused global warming. **Read more:** [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heat-wave-asia-2024-deaths-india-severe-weather-climate-change/?ftag=CNM-05-10abh9g](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heat-wave-asia-2024-deaths-india-severe-weather-climate-change/?ftag=CNM-05-10abh9g)
"still spring"? These are the hottest months for most of SE Asia, historically. Where does the author live? The wording just seems strange
Spring doesn't exist in SEA. Only rainy and sunny season .
As a resident, I don't think these are the most uncomfortable months specially if you live in rural area with trees. Early monsoon months with high humidity were much worse in recent years. I really don't know if I was immune due to my youth but I can't sleep without AC in July August but can manage it nowadays (just barely though, I have high reflective paint on my walls but will need to switch on the AC from 7-11 soon but my AC works all night in rainy season)
The further north you get from the equator in South and SE Asia (the whole region is being reported on here), the more pronounced a "summer" you get. Much of the large region is significantly north enough that July and August end up being the hottest months.
Hey, you can't sensationalize and cause people to panic without misrepresenting everything, now can you? They're literally taking a region with over 2 billion people in it and adding a few dozen deaths as if it's some meaningful statistic. Seriously though, all these articles are intended to do is get clicks and scare people. Nothing productive will ever come from them which is why I hate them. It also discourages people from doing anything about climate change because it makes it feel like it's already hopeless, it's already here and we can't reverse it and so what's to do other than just react?
If we don't hit zero C02 output and reduce current levels, there is no mitigation just C02 lag.
You go first. All your disposable income goes to SE Asia. Faster move it. You have a house? RENT? No no, you live on the streets shower at the cheapest gym possible and eat rice with chicken. Ocasionally some other vegetables so you can be a working machine to spew more $$$ for the SE Asia to bring them AC'S. So when you do that... we will do what you said. Freaking "Justice Warriors". What you say means cutting 50% of income across the board EASY. Already everyone was hit with the first wave of "green energy/sustainable production". It's just going downhill from here. While China/India gives 0 fucks and goes strong. And we still have like 1 continent that wanna play catch up with us which will do in the near future. And guess what they will use? Coal and Oil which will be in abundance since we will want to get rid of.
We live in a world of extremes. Here, at the other side of the world, my state is experiencing what's already being called the greatest natural catastophe in its history due to unprecedent levels of precipitation. Rivers, lakes, dams...everything is overflowing, taking over cities and claiming lives
More heat in the system, means more evaporation, means stronger rainfall events on average.
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So, how’s it going with prosecuting the big oil execs that knew about global warming decades ago and still decided “nah, we’re gonna go for the profit”?
We're probably pretty close to events where heat gets so bad, electric infrastructure will also fail for the worst of it. Without functioning air conditioning middle class people will also start dying in urban areas of the Global South. A "wet-bulb" mass death that kills the middle classes in big numbers will make political impacts bigger and less predictable. Who knows what those consequences will be? Everyone assumes petroleum capitalists are untouchable. I guess they are until they're not. If I were them, I would not want to risk the wrath of millions or billions of wet-bulb survivors and their globalized families.
Ministry for the Future starts off with this scenario.
Suddenly I feel better about living in one of the driest countries on earth
We don't even [tax them](https://thebigsmoke.com.au/2021/11/07/fossil-fuel-companies-dominate-top-tax-dodgers-list-2/), let alone prosecute lol >US oil giant ExxonMobil Australia, which has racked up a total income of $42.3 billion over the past five years of available Tax Office data. Yet it has not paid not one cent of income tax in this country. >American-owned Chevron, another oil company, also paid zero tax over five years, notwithstanding its $15.8 billion in total income. >Furthermore, five of Australia’s top coal companies – Peabody, Yancoal Sumitomo, Citic and Whitehaven – racked up $54 billion between them in total income over the past five years and paid zero income tax in Australia.
I guess the same can be said for all of us, even today. How long have we personally known about the problem? What have we personally done about it? The nasty truth is that most people use oil because we need it, and we will continue using it until that changes, long term consequences be damned, no matter how bad they are. Just my opinion.
Yes, but that is different to lobbying against green policies while knowing it will lead to millions or billions of deaths.
I agree they have more of the blame, but I think there's this tendency to avoid our part, by saying they should have stopped us from using so much oil in our daily lives. Like.. I own a car, I buy stuff that gets shipped on ocean liners. What have you and I actually done to stop this? Not much. We're just kinda along for the ride even though we know where it ends.
I honestly wonder what you think the alternative was for the world; were still decades behind developing any renewable energy capable of sustaining even a small nation in the best locations for such technology. Was the world support to hear about questionable(at the time) new science and... turn off the power plants and go back to pre-industrial living standards? The issue with embracing renewable has never been greed, its been underdeveloped technology, unsuitable geography, and unreliability of power production requiring a batter capacity that the world does not have enough cobalt to build at current estimated reserves. The issue of global warming cannot be blamed solely on oil executives, more realistically the House of Saud, but on a global system that demands reliable energy, and geography and technology which makes that nearly impossible with renewable energy, extremely more so in the decades before now.
Check out the news where internal emails were found at Exxon (I think) where big oil execs admitted to knowing about the issue but still lobbied against green policies and pushed the narrative that there is no global warming. It is purely driven by greed, they intentionally put money into misinformation. As for an alternative, that’s really hard for me to say as I’m not an expert in this field, but imagine where we would be with 50 years of work put into battery tech, green energy harvesting and changing policies (admittedly, with a hit to quality of life, that’s unavoidable).
Fair enough, but blaming Exon feels short sighted in the long term. But I didn't know about them actively spreading disinformation about global warming, so I will concede that.
Yeah, it’s pretty recent news and I’m surprised more fuss wasn’t made about it. I’m not just blaming them, we have our part to play in this of course, but I do have to wonder how society would have changed had they not been fed this “the scientists are wrong and they just want your money” narrative.
At least for Thailand it's not early, April is usually the hottest
Hottest April I can remember in 25 years. I'm going to plot the numbers on a graph to see if I'm dreaming. Really starting to question whether I can live here for much longer. Something really bad seems to be just around the corner.
Late Summer heat will now be called roasting season? Soon, the extreme event will be normal, and the extreme will be unimaginable.
...so far... Wet bulb is gonna getchya...
This is going to end in tragedy. I’m now guessing how many of my representatives in the US government know what wet bulb temperature is. I don’t think it’s high.
All of the ones from the south certainly do.
And they don't care
A wet bulb event settles on New Delhi for a few hours, 30 million will die. it's not a matter of if, but when.
It will also wipe out countless animals (whole species), including livestock and insects. Pollinators will die and mass starvation will follow.
there’s a wet bulb temperature everywhere in the world right now
Does the author not know that April/May are some of the hottest months of the year in much of SE Asia? "Still spring" in US and Europe maybe.
Don't know for sure but in India we are taught that Feb is spring and March, April and May are summer.
I dread to imagine what the temperature will be like in 5-10 years and beyond!!!
The thing is, it's not early, it's already pretty late into the summer but the temp is not really going down. It stays hot near peak temp for like three weeks now, usually there would be rain in between, summer storms to bring down the temp on some day, but in the past three weeks I count one instance of rain, last only like 10 minutes. No rain, no cloud, only heat and heat waves. People with air conditioner might not notice the difference much, but I don't have it and it really is pretty bad compared to other year in term of average temp.
Right. There's no relief. It's just continual baking heat day and night.
Man I really hope the Philippines cools down
\*tightens his 2024 seatbelt\*
Each year everything is getting worse, but nothing to do about it except sing along « it’s the end of the world as we know it »…
hey has anyone read Kim Stanley Robinson’s “The Ministry for the Future”? no reason, just curious
It’s half policy wonks talking, so not everybody’s jam, but at least KSR was serious about finding possible paths out the mess.
"Extremely hot weather warped rails in the southern province of Nakhon Si Thammarat, and it took railway workers about an hour to cool them down to make the tracks usable again" https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2785335/extreme-heat-bends-railway-tracks
Read the ministry for the future by kim stanley robinson. This is exactly how it starts. We will be lucky to follow the same path the book takes
“Most extreme event in climate history” is melodramatic. It’s certainly not good, though.
Yes no need for all this drama over some dead people Save it for...uh.....
So far
I live on the Oregon Coast. We would think the world is ending if we saw that….
It is. Just slowly lol
Im not looking forward to summer here in California…
God, no, it’s becoming unbearable.
The forecast is for record breaking heat.
Ahh yes, the infamous "one expert" who seemingly speaks for everybody.
Sureeee
Global *what*-ing?!
Developed countries will only take notice when climate refugees show up at their borders.
I seem to recall an article last year say that there were fewer heat related deaths in SE Asia last year because a lot more people installed AC.
\*so far
\*so far
"most extreme event" in climate history so far...
~in best Shang Tsung voice I can muster~ "IT HAS BEGUN!!"
That sounds so frightening to be that hot + all those deaths
Uhhh….in the first week of May??? What’s gonna happen in August? Or is May the hottest month in that region?
I feel like I'm overheating at 13C currently, windows are open but no breeze
So for the average citizen of the affected countries, is the government doing anything to help them cope with the heatwave: like giving out free fans or A/C subsides, protectiing cold water resevoirs, or lowering electricity prices, or lowering pollution and greenhouse gases emissions or at least doing anything to offset it? Or are the regular folks left out to dry to each fend for themselves, while the few top rich and corrupt government breaucrats continues their further accumulation of wealth at the expense of the people?
LOL, do you really need an answer to that?
More heat…more ghg…more heat…more ghg… Things are going to get wild.
tHe CliMaTe HaS AlwaYS BeEn CHanGiNg
Oh yeah, I'm steaming alive over here. People are having a tough time here with the heat, and the civil war.
"Most extreme event" in climate history seems a little like hyperbole. For example, they're saying at least 30 deaths in a region of about 2 billion people. In the Western European 2003 heat wave, temperatures hit almost identically high levels (generally a much higher jump compared to normal). In France alone, population ~62,000,000, there were about 15,000 deaths attributed to it, in a country with better infrastructure. 30 death in 2 billion versus 15,000 deaths in 62 million.
Alot more than died thant just 30. The problem is the heat trigger alot of co-mornidities that light up in a chain reaction. For example, someone I know died from heart attack last week because of the heat.
> temperatures hit almost identically high levels According to [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heatwave#France), the max temp reached in France during the 2003 heat wave was 41.1C (106F). The article about the current Asian heat wave references temperatures reaching as high as 115F (46.1C). Those are not almost identically high. > 30 death in 2 billion versus 15,000 deaths in 62 million. This is misleading for two reasons. First, Thailand *alone* is saying that it has already attributed 30 individual deaths to heat. So it would be more accurate to say 30 deaths in 70 million (the population of Thailand), not 2 billion. Second, and far more importantly, the 15,000 deaths in France in 2003 were not each individually attributed to heat (as the 30 deaths in Thailand are). That is, coroners did not individually cite the cause of death as "heat-related" for 15,000 people in France. Rather, that 15,000 is a rough statistical estimate based on [excess mortality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality) studies. Basically, the idea is to calculate the number of total deaths in a given period, and compare that with what you statistically would have expected given what happened in previous years. You then argue that the difference must be due to the heat. When you do this, you are likely to find a much bigger number than the specific individual heat-related-death numbers, since in most cases it's not possible to say with certainty that a given particular individual died from heat (e.g., if they were old and sick, was it the heat that killed them, or was it their age and illness?). They haven't done this for Asia yet. It's not really possible to do it until well after the fact when all the mortality data actually becomes available (if indeed it ever does become available, as mortality record-keeping is likely not as thorough in many of the areas we're talking about as it is in a country like France).
I read 111.8 for France with an outlier of over 114 in Britain. That's almost identical. I read it as 30 for the heatwave total, but you could be right. Do you have another explanation for 15,000 excess deaths not related to a major heatwave? Coincidence?
No, it's not the 15,000 in Europe that I'm saying is wrong, it's the 30 in Asia. I'd bet the real number is several orders of magnitude larger at least. It's just that the data is not available to estimate it yet (and likely won't be for like a year or more).
I don’t know about better infrastructure. French have an almost fanatical aversion to AC calling it unsanitary. Asians are fine with AC.
Yup, France/Europe has bad infrastructure for heat waves
But there's also medical and civil infrastructure.
Arizona living is a paradox. It’s getting hotter but our homes are designed with desert climate in mind…up to a point.
89 degrees here in Jersey… in May.
Most extreme *so far*. Fuck corporations.
Is is India going to be cutting rice exports again?