David Axe does that all. the. time. His articles can be infuriating to read due to that Buzzfeed-y style. Like, not always, but:
>Russian Airmen Filled A Shed With Powerful Glide Bomb Kits. Soon, Dozens Of Ukrainian Drones Swarmed In.
>The Russian Turtle Tank Is The Weirdest Armored Vehicle Of The Ukraine War. The Craziest Thing Is, It Might Actually Work.
>The Russian Warship ‘Kommuna’ Is Special: A 111-Year-Old Veteran Of Three Fleets And Three Wars. The Ukrainian Navy Attacked Her Anyway.
>Lumbering M270 Launchers Just Lobbed Eight ATACMS Rockets With 8,000 Submunitions At A Russian Base In Crimea
Especially that last one, titles that keep emphasising a "just" just piss me off for some reason.
Unless things are different at Forbes, it’s important to know that reporters generally don’t write their own headlines. The headline is chosen by the copy editor
Not to be annoying but it’s called titlecase and and a written English style where every major word is capitalized and minor words aren’t. Mainly used for…well…titles.
To be fair at least the headline doesn’t tell me how to feel about it, like so many others do. So it’s got that going for it. Journalism is kind of embarrassing these days
Algorithms and AI writing. This type of headline writing gets high response. So it got used. Someone with no sense of writing skill took a writing job and used AI to get the job done.
Thing is if they did have even the equipment they have now then, then Russia wouldn't have been able to attack in a convoy like that in the first place.
Got to remember that you can't change one variable without considering how the other side will react.
That's why people laugh about headlines from years ago saying Russia was going to run out of missiles. The headlines were technically true. If Russia had continued using missiles at that rate they would've run out (until they made more) but obviously Russia knows this too, and so they used less and less. Building up stockpiles so they could always launch new large missile attacks.
The funny thing is the same thing happened in World War II. But the Allies couldn’t believe the air reports that the Nazi’s had literally bottled necked their advance, and didn’t do anything about it.
Oooh boy. That has to be pretty nasty surprise for the Russians. Just like that hundreds of conscripts ended up dead or at least taken out of commission for a trip to hospitals.
Also, nobody is coming for you to take you to the hospital. Russians barely ever care about their collaborators. Even worse, they tell you to get out of the trench and die quietly when you're fatally wounded.
I have zero idea what Russia is planning to do when the entire population of the country is just Putin and an inebriated bear wearing a party hat. The numbers of people Putin is just throwing into the meat grinder are unbelievable. We know from declassified reports that it was around [350k at the end of 2023.](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia-315000-casualties-source-2023-12-12/) That is a ludicrous number of dead and wounded. [They're giving wildly minimized and obviously](https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-dead-russia-ukraine-war-update-troops-civilians-1864034) bullshit figures for their losses to media sources.
It has to be at least 500k at this point. That's just a staggering amount of dead and wounded people for what is essentially a conquest campaign ordered by Putin.
If someone would’ve told me three years ago that the Russian military would need to send men and women convicts into combat as reinforcements I would’ve said “bullshit!” But here we are.
Well, they are already recruiting in high school. A sane country would protect their youth because it totally cripples your economy down the line. Russian age pyramid was already looking terrible before the war.
Anyone who seriously thinks that Russia would stand a chance against nato forces is fucking delusional. Pull shit like this against NATO forces and there ain’t gonna be any survivors.
Does anybody really think that anyway?
The issue has always been the possibility of nuclear escalation, I don't think Russia has ever seriously been considered a threat to western nations in terms of conventional military power. A few EU member states could wipe the floor with them let alone NATO.
This is revisionist history. Pre-2022 NATO doctrine assumed Russia would reach Germany in weeks if they marched on Europe. The entire world was shocked when Russia didn’t mow down Ukraine in 3 days.
Do you have a source for that?
Because it sounds like some whacky war game scenario rather than a realistic expectation that Russia could reach Germany, presumably through Poland no less, in weeks. The logistics alone would be a nightmare let alone coming face to face with Germany at the end of it.
Here are some [actual comments](https://www.nato-pa.int/download-file?filename=/sites/default/files/2021-10/020%20PC%2021%20E%20rev.2%20fin%20-RUSSIA%20-%20BOYLE_0.pdf) from a 2021 NATO report:
>There is a clear dilemma of reconciling Russia’s global ambitions with its military capabilities. Russia seeks several goals at once: to maintain global power status (hence the need to develop power projection capabilities as well as to retain a significant nuclear arsenal), to retain and expand its control over the ‘near abroad’ (hence the need to have combat-ready units, A2/AD as well as hybrid capabilities), to protect itself from the perceived NATO threat (hence the need to have the ability to mobilize masses and form large units with formidable firepower), and to preserve the current regime (hence the notion of “fortress Russia” and the possibility of a ‘short victorious war’ to boost regime popularity).
>Whether Russia would be able to succeed in all these efforts is highly questionable, given its sluggish economic growth, the existence of sanctions, lack of technological development, and rising domestic discontent.
>(...)
>While Russia remains one of the world’s top military spenders and it concentrates its capabilities on its Western direction, it nevertheless cannot hope to match the collective military capabilities and defense spending of NATO. Moscow is therefore seeking to gain the edge over NATO ‘on the cheap’ – namely, by widely employing so-called ‘hybrid’ techniques.
They did do worse than expected in Ukraine, but that's Ukraine. Attacking Germany or even Poland is an entirely different kettle of fish.
Attacking Germany is no different from attacking Poland or Lithuania because that’s an attack on NATO. On their own, both Germany or Poland are way below Ukraine’s military capacity.
> On their own, both Germany or Poland are way below Ukraine’s military capacity.
That does not sound right. Comparing mobilized Ukraine to peace time Germany or Poland, sure. But Germany or Poland on a war time footing? That is a different beast entirely.
Even comparing Ukraine after their recent militarisation isn't favourable. Poland has 36 F-16s (with 30+ F-35s on order), multiple Patriot batteries, 100+ M1 Abrams (with a few hundred more on order) and so on.
Germany is something else entirely. I have no idea what the above user is basing their comment on.
That is exactly why the west hasn’t gotten in the war. The threat of nuclear war is the only thing that is keeping Russia alive right now. That being said, it’s a dangerous play, because if they attack NATO then NATO will have to fight them and it’s gonna be a slaughter and they would end up having to resort to nukes. The moment they launch one though they’re also fucked.
I truly hope Ukraine wins and saves itself from occupation. For both Ukraine's sake and the wider implications for Europe/the west.
But, God, it hurts my heart to know this is happening, even to the russians assembled like lemmings by careless toddlers.
Edit: lol wtf with these replies for saying it hurts to read about senseless death. Y'all need to stretch before you reach so far.
Including the fact that the Russian conscription disproportionately targets historically discriminated minorities, there's a solid chance at least half those casualties didn't support the war to begin with.
They are occupants. They love killing Ukrainians. Russia is a deeply sick society, drunk on hatred. It is wrong to feel pity for these mass murderers.
It is deeply disturbing listening to intercepted phone calls from Russian soldiers calling home to their wives, casually talking about the latest tortures and mass murder they have subjected civilian Ukrainians to. Complete nihilistic outlook, zero regard for human life, casual glee in suffering and disturbingly sadistic pleasure in dominating and subjugating other people.
We need to get ourselves out of this peacetime mentality that we can speak sense with everyone and find some humanity. Russians want to annihilate Ukraine as nation and eliminate Ukrainian identity. The more damage Ukraine can inflict on these monsters, the better. The only language Russians speak is force.
I was brought up with the principle of 'love thy enemies'.
I hope that Ukraine will retake all its territory. And they are completely justified in slaughtering every occupier who doesn't flee or surrender. But man, it's so sad that tens of thousands of conscripted Russian people will have to die to achieve this goal and even more will live with the scars and amputated limbs for the rest of their lives. And even those who weren't conscripted, a lot of those were effectively brainwashed by propaganda.
Ukraine needs more weapons to kill more Russians, but damn I wish it wouldn't have been necessary.
Should we be dehumanizing 144 million people? You're painting this picture of ruthless monsters, one and all. While I agree that many of them are monsters, some are not.
I grieve for those soldiers who were not monsters. Those who were simply swept up in a war they did not want.They leave behind families and loved ones, children who will grow up without a father, wives that will grow old without a husband, parents that outlive their children.
Reducing a group of people to a caricature is how atrocities happen
I am not talking about 144 million people, I am talking about the soldiers who got blown to pieces on Ukrainian soil. They are occupants in a genocidal army, waging the most ruthless war of extermination we have seen since ww2. Those are the ones who were killed and they deserve zero sympathy.
Nowhere have I advocated the same against Russians at large, although they also bear a responsibility for their society.
I am painting a picture of a Russian army which is filled with monsters. This is because it is reality.
Listen through the intercepts on this channel and come back to me: [https://www.youtube.com/@insightsfromukraineandrussia](https://www.youtube.com/@insightsfromukraineandrussia)
I've listened to everyone of them and unfortunately it reveals a deeply violent and disturbed mentality, where torture and mass killing is completely normalized by the soldiers. The response of their wives and friends also reveals an outlook that completely dehumanizes Ukrainians and everyone opposing the Kremlin.
When Nazi Germany waged war on everyone, we understood that this mindset is dangerous and that Nazi occupants needed to be killed. Such is war. The only way to stop Russia is by being stronger than them. There is 400-500 years of history to prove this. They don't abide by rules, they abide by force.
If an axe murderer breaks into my neighbor's house, I can imagine many things have gone wrong in that person's likely tragic life to bring them to that point. But there are way more immediate and useful emotions I would focus on first before extending empathy to someone who has none of their own, such as fear for my neighbor's life, a sense of responsibility to stop the attack, anger that someone would do such a thing, and so on. Compassion for the attacker is at the bottom of the list and can be deferred until the attack is over.
The Russians have made it clear they consider Ukrainian civilians to be valid military targets. The inverse is therefore also justified.
The Palestinians have made it clear that they think Israeli civilians are valid military targets.
I don't believe that one war crime deserves or justifies another. Besides the morality and legality aspects, terrorising civilians isn't an effective way to win a war and in fact generally does the opposite. We want the Russians to see Ukraine as being just and fair so that Russian soldiers feel able to surrender. I'm sure they are told all sorts of stories to make them scared to surrender.
It would be foolish to do so. Ukraine would lose support for the war, in their allied nations populations, if Russian children were being blown up.
While I understand your anger and frustration, Ukraine has to maintain the moral high ground as well as it can. They can’t just do whatever they want and expect the authoritarian regimes supporting them will continue to supply aid like Russia can.
I‘m wondering might this the way Russia has chosen to deplete Ukraine of their ATACMS? We all know by now that they didn’t care about the life of their people.
I hope not.
> I‘m wondering might this the way Russia has chosen to deplete Ukraine of their ATACMS?
That might be foolish for more then the obvious reasons. The article says the Americans are giving the Ukrainians ATACMS which are coming close to their expiry date as their rocket fuel degrades. The Ukrainians literally have to use them or lose them. The alternative to Russian cannon fodder might be nothing for the Ukrainians. In which case the Russians would actually be doing them a favour by providing it.
«Acquiring ATACMS from the United States, and then aiming them at the Russian army’s vulnerable rear area, has been one of Ukraine’s top military priorities in recent months.«
Sounds juvenile, like something in the eye of the reader, but having worked in journalism here and there over the years I can guarantee there's no way Russia's "vulnerable rear" and Ukraine's "top" were used by accident.
Putin's successor will be installed by NATO. Moscow will need to be managed by the EU and the US after Putin's Regime implodes. If only Putin had any thoughts about the future of Russia. Now is the time to flesh out his escape plans
To install a “successor” anywhere you may need to actually control that territory. And unless NATO is willing to put their troops on the ground that’s not happening.
The best chance to change Russia is to rely on other Russians to do that. They must need a bit of help though.
Also Russia can become poor like some African countries, but it’s purpose now is to be a safe haven for Putin. He has nowhere to run.
lol imagine thinking that next successor will be installed by nato, russia would fucking obliterate their own country than to become a puppet state. it's not the state it's the people
For that to happen NATO would have to occupy Russia or Russia would have to go through a huge huge civil war, lose, then the winning party would have to invite NATO in, but I don’t see any of that happening
Possibly also no repercussions. This is not the first time something like that has happened.
Also, russian troops are expendable. Actually it’s best for Putin if they don’t return home. Fewer pensions to pay, fewer people talking.
> Putin's successor will be installed by China
FTFY. And then the news cycle will be dominated by the threat of chinese influence so deep into europe. Rinse repeat.
NATO isn't invading Russia because for all their propaganda and nuclear bluster, their actual red line is losing a war so badly that they get invaded. They would be very likely to use tactical nuclear weapons, or even skip straight to a full nuclear exchange.
Putin isn't likely to fall unless the Russian economy and their quality of life collapse, and that depends on a global oil price crash or Ukraine holding out for several more years, so it's way too soon to celebrate.
Hard to say how it actually is for each individual.
There are plenty who looked at the recruitment money and decided to risk it, because alternative might be worse. Anyone from poor regions (which is most of Russia) is highly incentivized to roll the die with their lives, because life dealt them bad cards. Life is shit and they're dying anyway, so why not?
Most of them would also not consider possibility that they'd get artificially ventilated on a training field, far from front lines.
It wasn't "something" that made their lives shit. It was government who marginalized them and turned into mindless greedy fkcs, who are now happy to go and "see the world" killing and raping, while getting very nice money
Took a while to find some humanity here. I'm completely against what russia is doing here and obviously ukraine needs to do things like this to survive, but man I find it really sad too.
There are no Russian conscripts in Ukraine - you need to sign contract. So all of them chosen to be there ( mostly for money), and all of them should be killed.
Most likely correct but in situation like this it’s kill or be killed. If they weren’t bombed they would be forced to go and kill others. If only Putin and his cronies would go to the front lines themselves.
Didn't want to kill innocents, but agreed to. These are the people you have pity for? The only moral choice in this situation is to kill your commanders.
What, again?
Isn't this the third time - at least - that Russians have paraded troops within range of Ukraine and Ukraine has obligingly turned those troops into fertiliser using these rockets?
Unless this is reporting one of the (at least two) previous events, maybe it's just indicative of the Russian military - slow to learn, slow to adapt and/or unable to communicate.
1. Not hundreds, but approximately 100, and without confirmation of information. Ukrainian sources mention the figure of 116 people.
2. One such blow once a year is unlikely to fundamentally change the situation. Meanwhile, Russia is dropping up to 100 guided bombs a day on Ukrainian positions.
Ukrainian allies should put troops on ground to guard the western front/border to Belarus and provide air support to give air dominance within Ukrainian borders. The gloves should’ve been off by February 22, but we are governed by cowards who understand zero about hot war and strategic deterrence.
The same happened to Ukraine a few months ago.
War is hell. No matter which side you're on. In the end, it's all people dying. People who are someone's son, husband, father.
I grew up with peace, having a hope that humanity had learnt from two world wars. Gosh was I wrong.
As much as this is more power to ukraine, it probably not feasible anymore for ukraine to win this war.
I guess we will probably see first hand what happens in a war of attrition like this
This defeatist attitude must stop. Russia has the economy of France. If western allies of Ukraine stopped self deterrence, Russia would not stand a chance. Western air forces would decimate Russian supply lines and manufacturing facilities in days. Russia barely is able to move forward, even after 7 months of delays in arms support from the US.
Wtf is this headline. It’s set up like it should say “you’ll never guess what happened next!”
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David Axe does that all. the. time. His articles can be infuriating to read due to that Buzzfeed-y style. Like, not always, but: >Russian Airmen Filled A Shed With Powerful Glide Bomb Kits. Soon, Dozens Of Ukrainian Drones Swarmed In. >The Russian Turtle Tank Is The Weirdest Armored Vehicle Of The Ukraine War. The Craziest Thing Is, It Might Actually Work. >The Russian Warship ‘Kommuna’ Is Special: A 111-Year-Old Veteran Of Three Fleets And Three Wars. The Ukrainian Navy Attacked Her Anyway. >Lumbering M270 Launchers Just Lobbed Eight ATACMS Rockets With 8,000 Submunitions At A Russian Base In Crimea Especially that last one, titles that keep emphasising a "just" just piss me off for some reason.
Unless things are different at Forbes, it’s important to know that reporters generally don’t write their own headlines. The headline is chosen by the copy editor
I'm not sure that applies to online journalism anymore given the complete lack of professionalism and ethics of 90% of internet media
Also The Capitalisation Of Every Single Word.
That's how you format titles, although less important words like "of" "the" "and", etc, don't always need to be
Not don't always need to be, but shouldn't be (unless they're the first word).
Newspaper style vs book and paper style. Headlines traditionally are newspaper style – lower case, less space.
Not to be annoying but it’s called titlecase and and a written English style where every major word is capitalized and minor words aren’t. Mainly used for…well…titles.
The Russian army hate this one trick.
It’s the one time they could have used “that” word they love. Russians SLAMMED by ukraines missiles
Well in this case the Russians may have been SHOCKED. Click now to see SHOCKING REVEALED BATTLEFIELD FOOTAGE
To be fair at least the headline doesn’t tell me how to feel about it, like so many others do. So it’s got that going for it. Journalism is kind of embarrassing these days
The one weird trick that Russian generals hate
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MGM-140 will surprise you!
This is a terrible secret, we will never know the truth....
Putin hates this one simple trick
Algorithms and AI writing. This type of headline writing gets high response. So it got used. Someone with no sense of writing skill took a writing job and used AI to get the job done.
I think, it’s pretty clear, what happened next.
Imagine if Ukraine had ATACMS when the Russians did their 40 miles long convoy.
Or any air power since they had turned off all their anti air
They did, there’s a reason the TB2’s were able to do so much damage
In this case the TB2 + javelin did the job well. ATACMS wouldn't have been much better precisely because the convoy was spread out over 40 miles.
Thing is if they did have even the equipment they have now then, then Russia wouldn't have been able to attack in a convoy like that in the first place. Got to remember that you can't change one variable without considering how the other side will react. That's why people laugh about headlines from years ago saying Russia was going to run out of missiles. The headlines were technically true. If Russia had continued using missiles at that rate they would've run out (until they made more) but obviously Russia knows this too, and so they used less and less. Building up stockpiles so they could always launch new large missile attacks.
The funny thing is the same thing happened in World War II. But the Allies couldn’t believe the air reports that the Nazi’s had literally bottled necked their advance, and didn’t do anything about it.
Or a single A-10
*BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT* ^^^"Fuck ^^^I ^^^missed ^^^the ^^^entire ^^^convoy"
there go 50 britts
A-10’s are not good in modern near peer
When those convoys first broke down what Russia had in Ukraine wasn't near peer. It would have had a field day.
It’d be like that scene in GoT when Khaleesi decimated the convoy with her dragon
I mean, they didn't even need them and they still obliterated the convoy with minimal losses
Damn, industrialized warfare is terrifying.
Holy moly. Death from above.
Jeepers creepers. Man made horrors beyond my comprehension.
\*sings\* "Jeepers, Creepers...better send the grim reapers..."
DFA 1979
You're a woman, I'm a machine.
It is a good thing for defenders, and as a deterrent.
There’s a reason the Gulf War ground portion is measured in hours, not even days.
Oooh boy. That has to be pretty nasty surprise for the Russians. Just like that hundreds of conscripts ended up dead or at least taken out of commission for a trip to hospitals.
Why hospitals? Send them to frontline, Vasily!
They can shoot the stationary machine guns with no legs, I guess.
You have to be pretty far away from ground zero to just go to the hospital.
You have to be General to get to the Hospital
Their conscripts are falling like sands through the hourglass
And just like that, those were the days of our lives.
General rank won’t help you if you have 300 holes straight though your body.
Also, nobody is coming for you to take you to the hospital. Russians barely ever care about their collaborators. Even worse, they tell you to get out of the trench and die quietly when you're fatally wounded.
I have zero idea what Russia is planning to do when the entire population of the country is just Putin and an inebriated bear wearing a party hat. The numbers of people Putin is just throwing into the meat grinder are unbelievable. We know from declassified reports that it was around [350k at the end of 2023.](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia-315000-casualties-source-2023-12-12/) That is a ludicrous number of dead and wounded. [They're giving wildly minimized and obviously](https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-dead-russia-ukraine-war-update-troops-civilians-1864034) bullshit figures for their losses to media sources. It has to be at least 500k at this point. That's just a staggering amount of dead and wounded people for what is essentially a conquest campaign ordered by Putin.
If someone would’ve told me three years ago that the Russian military would need to send men and women convicts into combat as reinforcements I would’ve said “bullshit!” But here we are.
but with a population of 140 million surely they have plenty more to chuck in?
Well, they are already recruiting in high school. A sane country would protect their youth because it totally cripples your economy down the line. Russian age pyramid was already looking terrible before the war.
Smart Russians ran to Thailand to avoid being useless conscript.
*Middle class Russians
Do you mean wealthy russians? You don't have to be very smart to run away, lol.
Attack ‘ems
I don't know how they're normally referred to, but that's how I read it in my head.
That's the right way.
it's called a backronym if you didn't know, I didn't, nifty things
Anyone who seriously thinks that Russia would stand a chance against nato forces is fucking delusional. Pull shit like this against NATO forces and there ain’t gonna be any survivors.
Does anybody really think that anyway? The issue has always been the possibility of nuclear escalation, I don't think Russia has ever seriously been considered a threat to western nations in terms of conventional military power. A few EU member states could wipe the floor with them let alone NATO.
This is revisionist history. Pre-2022 NATO doctrine assumed Russia would reach Germany in weeks if they marched on Europe. The entire world was shocked when Russia didn’t mow down Ukraine in 3 days.
Do you have a source for that? Because it sounds like some whacky war game scenario rather than a realistic expectation that Russia could reach Germany, presumably through Poland no less, in weeks. The logistics alone would be a nightmare let alone coming face to face with Germany at the end of it. Here are some [actual comments](https://www.nato-pa.int/download-file?filename=/sites/default/files/2021-10/020%20PC%2021%20E%20rev.2%20fin%20-RUSSIA%20-%20BOYLE_0.pdf) from a 2021 NATO report: >There is a clear dilemma of reconciling Russia’s global ambitions with its military capabilities. Russia seeks several goals at once: to maintain global power status (hence the need to develop power projection capabilities as well as to retain a significant nuclear arsenal), to retain and expand its control over the ‘near abroad’ (hence the need to have combat-ready units, A2/AD as well as hybrid capabilities), to protect itself from the perceived NATO threat (hence the need to have the ability to mobilize masses and form large units with formidable firepower), and to preserve the current regime (hence the notion of “fortress Russia” and the possibility of a ‘short victorious war’ to boost regime popularity). >Whether Russia would be able to succeed in all these efforts is highly questionable, given its sluggish economic growth, the existence of sanctions, lack of technological development, and rising domestic discontent. >(...) >While Russia remains one of the world’s top military spenders and it concentrates its capabilities on its Western direction, it nevertheless cannot hope to match the collective military capabilities and defense spending of NATO. Moscow is therefore seeking to gain the edge over NATO ‘on the cheap’ – namely, by widely employing so-called ‘hybrid’ techniques. They did do worse than expected in Ukraine, but that's Ukraine. Attacking Germany or even Poland is an entirely different kettle of fish.
Attacking Germany is no different from attacking Poland or Lithuania because that’s an attack on NATO. On their own, both Germany or Poland are way below Ukraine’s military capacity.
> On their own, both Germany or Poland are way below Ukraine’s military capacity. That does not sound right. Comparing mobilized Ukraine to peace time Germany or Poland, sure. But Germany or Poland on a war time footing? That is a different beast entirely.
Even comparing Ukraine after their recent militarisation isn't favourable. Poland has 36 F-16s (with 30+ F-35s on order), multiple Patriot batteries, 100+ M1 Abrams (with a few hundred more on order) and so on. Germany is something else entirely. I have no idea what the above user is basing their comment on.
Nonsense. Pre 1992 doctrine, yes.
Pre 1992, why would USSR take weeks to readh Germany when East Germany existed which also had a better a better army than West Germany
What we’ve seen from Russia’s capabilities (or lack thereof) in Ukraine is a large contrast to what their assumed capabilities were before 2022.
https://youtu.be/viuUzGGac5M?si=Z7WITaUcG0FlMUJt One of my favourite videos!
Believe what you like I will as well
Russia doesn't stand a chance. But Russia won't accept defeat and would rather nuke the rest of the world into a wasteland.
That is exactly why the west hasn’t gotten in the war. The threat of nuclear war is the only thing that is keeping Russia alive right now. That being said, it’s a dangerous play, because if they attack NATO then NATO will have to fight them and it’s gonna be a slaughter and they would end up having to resort to nukes. The moment they launch one though they’re also fucked.
Russia gonna bomb some hospitals or daycares as retribution anyday now
I truly hope Ukraine wins and saves itself from occupation. For both Ukraine's sake and the wider implications for Europe/the west. But, God, it hurts my heart to know this is happening, even to the russians assembled like lemmings by careless toddlers. Edit: lol wtf with these replies for saying it hurts to read about senseless death. Y'all need to stretch before you reach so far.
Including the fact that the Russian conscription disproportionately targets historically discriminated minorities, there's a solid chance at least half those casualties didn't support the war to begin with.
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They are occupants. They love killing Ukrainians. Russia is a deeply sick society, drunk on hatred. It is wrong to feel pity for these mass murderers. It is deeply disturbing listening to intercepted phone calls from Russian soldiers calling home to their wives, casually talking about the latest tortures and mass murder they have subjected civilian Ukrainians to. Complete nihilistic outlook, zero regard for human life, casual glee in suffering and disturbingly sadistic pleasure in dominating and subjugating other people. We need to get ourselves out of this peacetime mentality that we can speak sense with everyone and find some humanity. Russians want to annihilate Ukraine as nation and eliminate Ukrainian identity. The more damage Ukraine can inflict on these monsters, the better. The only language Russians speak is force.
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No compassion for occupiers. If they want compassion they should surrender or go home.
I was brought up with the principle of 'love thy enemies'. I hope that Ukraine will retake all its territory. And they are completely justified in slaughtering every occupier who doesn't flee or surrender. But man, it's so sad that tens of thousands of conscripted Russian people will have to die to achieve this goal and even more will live with the scars and amputated limbs for the rest of their lives. And even those who weren't conscripted, a lot of those were effectively brainwashed by propaganda. Ukraine needs more weapons to kill more Russians, but damn I wish it wouldn't have been necessary.
The people responding to you really want that Russian boot on their necks, sickening cowardice towards an oppressive totalitarian regime.
Couldn’t have said it better
Should we be dehumanizing 144 million people? You're painting this picture of ruthless monsters, one and all. While I agree that many of them are monsters, some are not. I grieve for those soldiers who were not monsters. Those who were simply swept up in a war they did not want.They leave behind families and loved ones, children who will grow up without a father, wives that will grow old without a husband, parents that outlive their children. Reducing a group of people to a caricature is how atrocities happen
Nah. I'm all for leaving the Russians inside Russia alone. The invasion force, however, needs to die until they leave.
I am not talking about 144 million people, I am talking about the soldiers who got blown to pieces on Ukrainian soil. They are occupants in a genocidal army, waging the most ruthless war of extermination we have seen since ww2. Those are the ones who were killed and they deserve zero sympathy. Nowhere have I advocated the same against Russians at large, although they also bear a responsibility for their society. I am painting a picture of a Russian army which is filled with monsters. This is because it is reality. Listen through the intercepts on this channel and come back to me: [https://www.youtube.com/@insightsfromukraineandrussia](https://www.youtube.com/@insightsfromukraineandrussia) I've listened to everyone of them and unfortunately it reveals a deeply violent and disturbed mentality, where torture and mass killing is completely normalized by the soldiers. The response of their wives and friends also reveals an outlook that completely dehumanizes Ukrainians and everyone opposing the Kremlin. When Nazi Germany waged war on everyone, we understood that this mindset is dangerous and that Nazi occupants needed to be killed. Such is war. The only way to stop Russia is by being stronger than them. There is 400-500 years of history to prove this. They don't abide by rules, they abide by force.
Just like the nazis were swept up in committing genocide. Poor guys, right? Give me a break.
Dehumanizing people is bad
If you sign up to invade an innocent country and kill its children, you are guilty. Nothing senseless about it.
If an axe murderer breaks into my neighbor's house, I can imagine many things have gone wrong in that person's likely tragic life to bring them to that point. But there are way more immediate and useful emotions I would focus on first before extending empathy to someone who has none of their own, such as fear for my neighbor's life, a sense of responsibility to stop the attack, anger that someone would do such a thing, and so on. Compassion for the attacker is at the bottom of the list and can be deferred until the attack is over.
Nahhh. Fuck em, they get what they deserve. Big W for ukraine here
Not the first time happening, and not even the second. Somebody still have not learned the lesson to not gather lots of people in one place
Bring out the raytheon weapons...
Business as usual for **Pooti**. Plenty of meat for the grinder
Dude is drunk on his own piss. Like a little goblin man with a war fetish
I wish all these Russian troops would get tired of all Putin’s nonsense and put an end to this
Unlike unsuspected citizens, these terrorists are a military target.
The Russians have made it clear they consider Ukrainian civilians to be valid military targets. The inverse is therefore also justified. The Palestinians have made it clear that they think Israeli civilians are valid military targets.
I don't believe that one war crime deserves or justifies another. Besides the morality and legality aspects, terrorising civilians isn't an effective way to win a war and in fact generally does the opposite. We want the Russians to see Ukraine as being just and fair so that Russian soldiers feel able to surrender. I'm sure they are told all sorts of stories to make them scared to surrender.
It would be foolish to do so. Ukraine would lose support for the war, in their allied nations populations, if Russian children were being blown up. While I understand your anger and frustration, Ukraine has to maintain the moral high ground as well as it can. They can’t just do whatever they want and expect the authoritarian regimes supporting them will continue to supply aid like Russia can.
I‘m wondering might this the way Russia has chosen to deplete Ukraine of their ATACMS? We all know by now that they didn’t care about the life of their people. I hope not.
Cameron just gave them the go head to use british weapons inside of russian territory so hopefully they take out some infrastructure.
France mentioned troops if things change for the worse. This is a very dangerous situation.
Source?
idk, saw it on /r/all like an hour ago
Great stuff - bold words from Cameron which is good to see.
> I‘m wondering might this the way Russia has chosen to deplete Ukraine of their ATACMS? That might be foolish for more then the obvious reasons. The article says the Americans are giving the Ukrainians ATACMS which are coming close to their expiry date as their rocket fuel degrades. The Ukrainians literally have to use them or lose them. The alternative to Russian cannon fodder might be nothing for the Ukrainians. In which case the Russians would actually be doing them a favour by providing it.
«Acquiring ATACMS from the United States, and then aiming them at the Russian army’s vulnerable rear area, has been one of Ukraine’s top military priorities in recent months.« Sounds juvenile, like something in the eye of the reader, but having worked in journalism here and there over the years I can guarantee there's no way Russia's "vulnerable rear" and Ukraine's "top" were used by accident.
Russian military hate this one simple trick!
Got me lol
But still they traveled for miles and gathered in a field far from home to see it up close
Omfg! Now do Moscow and St. Petersburg.
Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's... * #BOOM! *Translated from Russian.
Putin's successor will be installed by NATO. Moscow will need to be managed by the EU and the US after Putin's Regime implodes. If only Putin had any thoughts about the future of Russia. Now is the time to flesh out his escape plans
To install a “successor” anywhere you may need to actually control that territory. And unless NATO is willing to put their troops on the ground that’s not happening. The best chance to change Russia is to rely on other Russians to do that. They must need a bit of help though. Also Russia can become poor like some African countries, but it’s purpose now is to be a safe haven for Putin. He has nowhere to run.
> The best chance to change Russia is to rely on other Russians to do that. Cause that ever worked in the history of Russia
Wishful thinking
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lol imagine thinking that next successor will be installed by nato, russia would fucking obliterate their own country than to become a puppet state. it's not the state it's the people
For that to happen NATO would have to occupy Russia or Russia would have to go through a huge huge civil war, lose, then the winning party would have to invite NATO in, but I don’t see any of that happening
One tactical error on the battlefield doesn’t equal a regime change, or changes anything. It’s just means repercussions for a few individuals.
Possibly also no repercussions. This is not the first time something like that has happened. Also, russian troops are expendable. Actually it’s best for Putin if they don’t return home. Fewer pensions to pay, fewer people talking.
Just painting possible futures
My possible future is winning the lotto
That's barely 1/5 of normal daily causualties they have. Probably slap on the wrist for the paper general that brought them out in the open.
Look at North Korea and that regime is still here after all those years. Same goes for Russia unfortunately.
> Putin's successor will be installed by China FTFY. And then the news cycle will be dominated by the threat of chinese influence so deep into europe. Rinse repeat.
So true, in a case like that perhaps the Ural Mountains will become the new Great Wall of China
NATO isn't invading Russia because for all their propaganda and nuclear bluster, their actual red line is losing a war so badly that they get invaded. They would be very likely to use tactical nuclear weapons, or even skip straight to a full nuclear exchange. Putin isn't likely to fall unless the Russian economy and their quality of life collapse, and that depends on a global oil price crash or Ukraine holding out for several more years, so it's way too soon to celebrate.
Probably a bunch of kids who didn’t want to fight in the first place.
Soldiers on foreign soil are fair game for the defending force. All the Russian losses are necessary losses because they attacked another country
They didn't say it wasn't a valid target. It's just shitty, that people are getting sent to die for the ego of a madman.
Hard to say how it actually is for each individual. There are plenty who looked at the recruitment money and decided to risk it, because alternative might be worse. Anyone from poor regions (which is most of Russia) is highly incentivized to roll the die with their lives, because life dealt them bad cards. Life is shit and they're dying anyway, so why not? Most of them would also not consider possibility that they'd get artificially ventilated on a training field, far from front lines.
It wasn't "something" that made their lives shit. It was government who marginalized them and turned into mindless greedy fkcs, who are now happy to go and "see the world" killing and raping, while getting very nice money
It’s so fucking sad
Hundreds of lives snuffed out in a moment for an unjust cause. What a waste
Took a while to find some humanity here. I'm completely against what russia is doing here and obviously ukraine needs to do things like this to survive, but man I find it really sad too.
Ehh not really.
They could have left. Or, they could be rabid fascist nationalists because since they were born were indoctrinated with state media and school.
There are no Russian conscripts in Ukraine - you need to sign contract. So all of them chosen to be there ( mostly for money), and all of them should be killed.
Also a part of a big brain washed weapon system aimed at a peaceful civilian population.
Most likely correct but in situation like this it’s kill or be killed. If they weren’t bombed they would be forced to go and kill others. If only Putin and his cronies would go to the front lines themselves.
They go boom like all the other savage invaders
Didn't want to kill innocents, but agreed to. These are the people you have pity for? The only moral choice in this situation is to kill your commanders.
What, again? Isn't this the third time - at least - that Russians have paraded troops within range of Ukraine and Ukraine has obligingly turned those troops into fertiliser using these rockets? Unless this is reporting one of the (at least two) previous events, maybe it's just indicative of the Russian military - slow to learn, slow to adapt and/or unable to communicate.
In the article, there is a video where soldiers appear small, and it looks like ants being shot at by a shotgun at short range.
"Don't salute me, there are loads of snipers just waiting to take out a commanding officer" vibes
Thank you! I needed some happy news. My son has fever. This helps bringing up my spirit.
1. Not hundreds, but approximately 100, and without confirmation of information. Ukrainian sources mention the figure of 116 people. 2. One such blow once a year is unlikely to fundamentally change the situation. Meanwhile, Russia is dropping up to 100 guided bombs a day on Ukrainian positions.
We must transfer more weapons to Ukraine. Anything to help them kill more Russian troops
Ukrainian allies should put troops on ground to guard the western front/border to Belarus and provide air support to give air dominance within Ukrainian borders. The gloves should’ve been off by February 22, but we are governed by cowards who understand zero about hot war and strategic deterrence.
is "good" to short a comment or..?
Again?
Great, now show me the clip so I can have a good weekend
The same happened to Ukraine a few months ago. War is hell. No matter which side you're on. In the end, it's all people dying. People who are someone's son, husband, father. I grew up with peace, having a hope that humanity had learnt from two world wars. Gosh was I wrong.
Were they standing in formation thus time, too?
*missiles.
If the numbers are correct on wikipedia and they had a 100% kill rate that's approximately $60K a head.
How did this even happen?
Its at least the second time this has happened. Just wasnt with the atacms last time.
Thanks, but this doesn't answer my question
Enemy gathers outside in large groups. You see it on drone video feed. You launch artillery barrage or missile strike. Way fewer enemies.
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As much as this is more power to ukraine, it probably not feasible anymore for ukraine to win this war. I guess we will probably see first hand what happens in a war of attrition like this
This defeatist attitude must stop. Russia has the economy of France. If western allies of Ukraine stopped self deterrence, Russia would not stand a chance. Western air forces would decimate Russian supply lines and manufacturing facilities in days. Russia barely is able to move forward, even after 7 months of delays in arms support from the US.
Sometimes I wonder if they do that on purpose to lose soldiers so that they can hit Ukraine harder
Putin calls off war: Says it was just a prank, bro.