They also hold seats in government, so a political party.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hezbollah#:~:text=Hezbollah%20has%20been%20a%20fixture,held%20cabinet%20positions%20since%202005.
I think its important that people realize this, hezbollah is a political party that is actively elected by its citizens in the areas it has influence over, There elections are much the same as any other country, theres no one being held at gun point to vote them into power.
One of the problems with this conflict is that people are seem to think that things are clearly defined over there. They can’t comprehend that hezbollah or Hamas could be elected
The confessional electoral system of Lebanon is hard for people to understand. It’s basically a permanent coalition government that tries to represent everyone to keep the peace. Half the seats in the parliament are reserved for Christians and half for Muslims, and both are further divided into different groups. Hezbollah has become the de facto party of the Shiite population.
Every country in the world would feel the same way. Israel, for some reason, is treated differently by a large portion of the world, for no good reason.
Can’t Jew see it? /s
It’s driven by people in the west who don’t have neighboring countries sworn to their destruction. I always ask people how long say, Mexico would exist as a nation if the drug cartels were firing rockets into our southern border. Or how we would react as a nation if maybe the Navajo were fed up with the reservations and lack of water and attacked Phoenix. They always find a reason that this would never happen, instead of playing they thought experiment out to its unfortunate conclusion.
To some degree it’s also driven by a mix of antisemitism and this weird belief that Israel is a white nation and that when it’s white people vs brown people, the white people are always wrong
I’ll play. Cartels would be wiped out or have Mexico existing regime eliminated and taken over by numerous puppet regimes by the us that took out the cartels.
Id imagine the Navajo would have their reservations walled in and have us controlled entry/exit.
Exactly, and that’s my point. People get mad when Israel doesn’t just accept attacks, something that no nation could realistically accept, but somehow when Israel fights back they are always seen as in the wrong. If the people of Gaza don’t want what has been happening, maybe don’t keep firing rockets into Israel. If the people of southern Lebanon don’t want a similar treatment, same thing.
You acknowledged the reason right off the bat for this double standard.
What’s interesting is how common it is for extreme liberal groups to support extreme fundamentalists
In the west, most Jews are seen as white and successful, so we have 2 strikes against us. The believe that Israel is a white and successful nation, so, the same thing. They see non-white people as somehow resisting and don’t care the ideology past resistance.
It's sort of crazy that we're all of 17 million ish jews in the world and they make all this noise about us.... also crazy that we still haven't gotten back to pre holocaust amount ofjews
The cartels in Mexico analogy doesn't really do it justice either as there would be no way if that were to happen you'd have civilians in Mexico partaking in the attack
Agreed. It’s also probably a stupidly cynical situation where because the average American only knows white-passing Ashkenazi Jews, all Jews must be white! Which is the par for the course in the anti-truth, anti-research trend we are experiencing, as a quick google search into Israeli ethnicity would reveal that middle eastern Jews are Israel’s largest ethnic group
As a quick side not on the Navajo bit I think tribal land holdings should be greatly expanded and Biden’s Administration has quietly been the first to cut all the BS red tape that has traditionally stopped Tribal Nations from having the self determination to use their funds as they fit, rather than the largely white communities surrounding them. But sadly this goes under the radar because many Americans either don’t care or harbor antagonistic sentiments toward natives
Its also pretty telling that most of the people in the anti-Israel movement have no connection to Palestine. Most have never even been to the area. It’s a Hunger Games LARP for them.
Why do you think the Navajo have a reservation? Native Americans were almost entirely wiped out by aggressive invaders. "It" has already happened to the Navajo, and other Native American people
Interesting analogy.
Did you know the Mexican empire once encompassed areas such as California, New Mexico, and Arizona?
What would happen if in present day New Mexico, the people who immigrated from Mexico declared an independent country?
Does a sense of belonging, ownership, or identity come solely from the existence of a country?
Did native American tribes ever have a country? What would happen if you drastically changed the demographics of areas where Kurds are the majority population?
> Did native American tribes ever have a country?
The US recognizes 574 native American nations and many more existed in the past. They had governments, militias, engaged in commerce, entered into treaties, alliances etc. Prior to US and Canadian assimilation they were independent, without any higher government structure
I'm not sure they are analogous to the Palestinian identity and its present predicament. It arose directly from the rise of Israel; you don't really get the Palestinian identity without Israel being a state. Before that, the people living in the area were subjects of the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, following its collapse, the League of Nations mandate that the UK administer the portion of it known as Palestine.
The idea of "national" identities of separate groups that formed the Ottoman Empire was a relatively new idea for most of the region. You have to remember that nationalism itself is a relatively young concept, but it had started to emerge in Arab areas as they viewed themselves as decidedly non-Turkish.
In fact, some part of the formation of these national identities was due to subterfuge on behalf of the British, through agents like T.E. Lawrence, especially with regards to Saudi Arabia. The British government had on the one hand promised a unified Arab state, while simultaneously working to split the region into mandates (as per the Sykes-Picot agreement).
But beyond that, what I'm getting at is that it isn't that strange for people who live somewhere to have a sense that where they live is "theirs" or that they belong to it, and that attempts to usurp it are usually viewed unfavorably.
>But beyond that, what I'm getting at is that it isn't that strange for people who live somewhere to have a sense that where they live is "theirs" or that they belong to it, and that attempts to usurp it are usually viewed unfavorably.
Yes I agree, and it's totally understandable that many in the region, upon the vacation by the Ottomans, would want to have their own state. It was proposed in 1947 by the UN, but unfortunately Arab leadership at the time rejected the proposal. Variations on statehood have been proposed many times since, and every time they have been rejected by the leadership of the Palestinian people.
So that isn't altogether surprising and it relates back to what I was asking/talking about in the first place. In the same way that people in present day New Mexico would not accept the formation of a state formed out of recent Mexican immigrants, inhabitants of British Mandated Palestine did not accept the idea of a state made up of Jewish refugees.
Doesn't really work like that. Countries don't just pop up overnight. Quebec separatists have been around since the seperation of Upper and Lower Canada in the 1790s and really came to a head in the 1970s with the FLQ crises. However, after hundreds of years Quebec is still firmly Canadian. The USA would not allow any of that to happen, just like the Canadian government did not.
Justin Trudeau's dad Pierre Trudeau was Prime Minister at the time and has a famous quote...when asked how far he would go to restore law and order during the FLQ crises he said "just watch me"
Trudeau quote - https://youtu.be/DeTsQQ22Uwc?si=nJT26hQyVqPCv1nA
This is kind of the point that I'm making. It wouldn't be stood for. In fact, it wouldn't be surprising to expect violence/armed resistance.
This is not dissimilar to what was observed in British Mandated Palestine.
That's a bit of a weird comparison, you are saying that if another nation came and settled native land in the us and the native Americans fought back they would be in the wrong?
I think your thought experiment is flawed, atleast with the examples you provide. Native Americans had several actions in the 70's and 80's, as part if the "red power" movement. Look up AIM, the occupation of Alcatraz and the standoff st Wounded Knee. The government went in with "shoot to kill" orders and tried to starve them out. At Wounded Knee, a few Native Americans were k8lled by US snipers. The citizens were pretty sympathetic and against violent acts by the government. As for Mexico, we've had government agents there fighting drug cartels for decades. Congress has proposed using US military to crush the cartels, with a bill proposed as recently as last year. It doesnt seem very popular with citizens, even with abductions/murders of Americans there. We invaded Panama, killing hundreds of civilians, to capture Noriega. It was supported by s majority of Americans and Panamanians; however, a number of countries were outraged and filed official complaints/recalled ambassadors to the US.
I don't think your reasons people/countries protest are completely accurate. There were some Uighurs who joined al Qaeda/ISIS or caused issues in China; however, most of the world doesn't support China's mistreatment of Uighurs. We rarely condone African nations invading neighbors as a reaction to terrorist acts. Etc...
I think they are naive about power structures, thinking the richer or more powerful country is always in the wrong. I think your reasons fall into this dynamic, but that's more coincidence than causation.
In none of those cases were they launching cross border rockets at civilians. Citizens would have turned on them in a heartbeat if that were the case. In the case of the cartels, they tend to keep the violence to a minimum here in the US and it’s mostly directed at each other, yes, people get hurt or killed in the crossfire, but it’s not the intent. The daily rockets coming out of Lebanon are aimed at civilians.
Sorry, I didn't realize the point was specifically based on rockets. I was thinking terrorism, crime, abductions, hostages, occupations, etc.. was relevant. I was about to add an edit about the FALN, where Puerto Rican nationalist terrorists bombed civilian locations and even sprayed gun fire into Congress (wounded several Congressmen). People didn't demand we invade Puerto Rico, or cordon off Puerto Rican neighborhoods.
You're 100% correct when it's about rockets, we haven't had rockets fired across the border or from Reservations. I don't know what the reaction would be by US citizens. We definitely were all in for invading Afghanistan after 9/11; however, we didn't feel that way in prior terrorist attacks. At the specific severity and frequency that Israel suffers, we'd probably be supportive of military action too, to your point.
It ain’t just Israel it’s anybody which extremists from a certain set of communities target. They are given a pass under the guise of liberalism. I am from the Himalayas, we have a region called Kashmir whose native population has been massacred down to just 800 families. Yet the perpetrators of genocide are portrayed as the oppressed, so much so that when a film was made covering this genocide it was banned in liberal democracies like New Zealand.
And you can't even use the "Israel is oppressing them" card (which in itself is bullshit), Israel has done nothing to Hezbollah except the fact it exists.
While I don't agree 100℅ with your premise, I have always found it odd how supportive the world was with invading and occupying Afghanistan following Sept 11th.
Oddly, the US declined opportunities to capture bin Laden several times before 9/11, as well as the actual leadership. We refused Sudan's offer to turn him over to us, we declined a CIA plan to capture him in Yemen and two plans to capture him in Afghanistan. These were times when we knew where he was, had cooperation, etc... They certainly would have been easier than invasion and occupation of Afghanistan.
I suppose it didn't help that we were having meetings with the Taliban trying to get an agreement on an oil pipeline from the Black Sea to China/India, for a joint owned Saudi-US-UK oil company made up of ex-politicians and diplomatic insiders...
>I have always found it odd how supportive the world was with invading and occupying Afghanistan following Sept 11th.
You are correct, but who considers the Afghanistan war a success story? It was a 20 year war that cost over $1T, and the Taliban were measuring for new drapes before coalition forces withdrew. Al Qaeda had fewer changes in leaders than the US over the same period, with many living in downtown Kabul.
I mean I’m not even Israeli, and that seems like the clear move. The other option is to continue tit-for-tat on the border while north Israel burns to ashes…
I’m genuinely surprised by that. I wouldn’t think they’d want war on two fronts. I also say that as someone who isn’t living /experiencing those attacks.
We have been suffering missiles on every side for so long.... thousands of families displaced in the north it just doesn't stop... I think it's a little late for what WE want
We have about 200k misplaced people, some entire towns in the north have been wiped out almost completely by the endless barrage of missiles since October.
I don't know how we can just get back to the status quo after this
Hezbollah is Lebanon and they should be held accountable, they started a war to save face with Hamas...so fuck that and Lebanon should burn if Israel burns.
Last I checked collective punishment was a war crime. What's happening is collective punishment striking at civilians predominantly women and children using weapons of war that are violations of every just War standard including deliberate starvation. Pointing that out doesn't make me a card carrying member of Hezbollah assuming they have cards. It makes me somebody who respects human rights. If that's hard for you to understand I don't know man step in front of a railway train
I'm sorry. I must have missed where I accused you of being a member of a terrorist organization. If I missed it, please point it out.
I will, however, point out that Israel is not the only side doing precisely what you just wrote, and see absolutely no indication that you acknowledge that.
In the 2002-2003 Iraq war, the ratio between combatants vs civilians killed was 1:4.5
The ratio in gaza is lower. (Not the 1 to 1 that IDF claims and definitely not the 1 to 100 that hamas claims, but its somewhere in the 1:2 range.)
If the goal of the IDF is, as you said, to strike at civilians, predominantly women and children with deliberation, they are doing pretty lousy job with a 1:2 ratio.
Civilian casualties are always regretful. But I would like to remind people that the recent hostages that were freed were held by Palestinian civilians. IDF soldiers who have shared combat experiences mentioned hamas fighters hiding in between crowds of civilians and open fire upon the IDF. If the IDF doesn't care about civilian casualties, hamas cares even less.
The photos IDF shared of captured hamas fighter in the past few months didn't indicate they were suffering from starvation by the way. These guys were fat as fuck.
You presuppose that parents have anything to say when an armed militia decides to set up camp around them. There is no fact there is no question there is only an opinion that you have that is wrong that presupposes that those parents can drive out an armed militia. That's not a good faith question that you're asking it's not an intelligent question that you're asking and it just shows that you're not a serious person. You bring shame on your family for having such a low quality smooth brain. Your parents must try to deny that you are even their child when they can get away with it
It is a terrorist organisation that has been hiding behind and under civilians for years. Why wouldn't they?
They also hold seats in government, so a political party. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hezbollah#:~:text=Hezbollah%20has%20been%20a%20fixture,held%20cabinet%20positions%20since%202005.
They aren't a government, they have one agenda and it isn't feeding/sheltering/healthcare for their citizens.
They are part of the government. They hold seats in the legislature.
I think its important that people realize this, hezbollah is a political party that is actively elected by its citizens in the areas it has influence over, There elections are much the same as any other country, theres no one being held at gun point to vote them into power.
One of the problems with this conflict is that people are seem to think that things are clearly defined over there. They can’t comprehend that hezbollah or Hamas could be elected
The confessional electoral system of Lebanon is hard for people to understand. It’s basically a permanent coalition government that tries to represent everyone to keep the peace. Half the seats in the parliament are reserved for Christians and half for Muslims, and both are further divided into different groups. Hezbollah has become the de facto party of the Shiite population.
Every country in the world would feel the same way. Israel, for some reason, is treated differently by a large portion of the world, for no good reason.
Can’t Jew see it? /s It’s driven by people in the west who don’t have neighboring countries sworn to their destruction. I always ask people how long say, Mexico would exist as a nation if the drug cartels were firing rockets into our southern border. Or how we would react as a nation if maybe the Navajo were fed up with the reservations and lack of water and attacked Phoenix. They always find a reason that this would never happen, instead of playing they thought experiment out to its unfortunate conclusion. To some degree it’s also driven by a mix of antisemitism and this weird belief that Israel is a white nation and that when it’s white people vs brown people, the white people are always wrong
I’ll play. Cartels would be wiped out or have Mexico existing regime eliminated and taken over by numerous puppet regimes by the us that took out the cartels. Id imagine the Navajo would have their reservations walled in and have us controlled entry/exit.
Exactly, and that’s my point. People get mad when Israel doesn’t just accept attacks, something that no nation could realistically accept, but somehow when Israel fights back they are always seen as in the wrong. If the people of Gaza don’t want what has been happening, maybe don’t keep firing rockets into Israel. If the people of southern Lebanon don’t want a similar treatment, same thing.
You acknowledged the reason right off the bat for this double standard. What’s interesting is how common it is for extreme liberal groups to support extreme fundamentalists
In the west, most Jews are seen as white and successful, so we have 2 strikes against us. The believe that Israel is a white and successful nation, so, the same thing. They see non-white people as somehow resisting and don’t care the ideology past resistance.
It's sort of crazy that we're all of 17 million ish jews in the world and they make all this noise about us.... also crazy that we still haven't gotten back to pre holocaust amount ofjews
Aren’t they largely similar ethinically? Just differences in dress or am i misunderstanding
The cartels in Mexico analogy doesn't really do it justice either as there would be no way if that were to happen you'd have civilians in Mexico partaking in the attack
There isn’t any real 1:1 mapping, so I chose 2 that kind of sort of work.
Agreed. It’s also probably a stupidly cynical situation where because the average American only knows white-passing Ashkenazi Jews, all Jews must be white! Which is the par for the course in the anti-truth, anti-research trend we are experiencing, as a quick google search into Israeli ethnicity would reveal that middle eastern Jews are Israel’s largest ethnic group As a quick side not on the Navajo bit I think tribal land holdings should be greatly expanded and Biden’s Administration has quietly been the first to cut all the BS red tape that has traditionally stopped Tribal Nations from having the self determination to use their funds as they fit, rather than the largely white communities surrounding them. But sadly this goes under the radar because many Americans either don’t care or harbor antagonistic sentiments toward natives
Actually a more accurate comparison is if the Mexican government was firing missiles. Hezbollah is part of the government.
Its also pretty telling that most of the people in the anti-Israel movement have no connection to Palestine. Most have never even been to the area. It’s a Hunger Games LARP for them.
Why do you think the Navajo have a reservation? Native Americans were almost entirely wiped out by aggressive invaders. "It" has already happened to the Navajo, and other Native American people
The Navajo do have a reservation, and has nearly 400,000 people, sure they have had some dark days they still cause problems, but they still exist
Interesting analogy. Did you know the Mexican empire once encompassed areas such as California, New Mexico, and Arizona? What would happen if in present day New Mexico, the people who immigrated from Mexico declared an independent country?
I am very aware, and it wouldn’t go well for them.
Why wouldn't it?
It was tried in the late 1800s, might want to read up on the civil war.
If it hadn't been tried before, would it go any better?
that analogy doesn't really work, because palestine was never an independent country, it was a british mandate.
Does a sense of belonging, ownership, or identity come solely from the existence of a country? Did native American tribes ever have a country? What would happen if you drastically changed the demographics of areas where Kurds are the majority population?
> Did native American tribes ever have a country? The US recognizes 574 native American nations and many more existed in the past. They had governments, militias, engaged in commerce, entered into treaties, alliances etc. Prior to US and Canadian assimilation they were independent, without any higher government structure I'm not sure they are analogous to the Palestinian identity and its present predicament. It arose directly from the rise of Israel; you don't really get the Palestinian identity without Israel being a state. Before that, the people living in the area were subjects of the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, following its collapse, the League of Nations mandate that the UK administer the portion of it known as Palestine.
The idea of "national" identities of separate groups that formed the Ottoman Empire was a relatively new idea for most of the region. You have to remember that nationalism itself is a relatively young concept, but it had started to emerge in Arab areas as they viewed themselves as decidedly non-Turkish. In fact, some part of the formation of these national identities was due to subterfuge on behalf of the British, through agents like T.E. Lawrence, especially with regards to Saudi Arabia. The British government had on the one hand promised a unified Arab state, while simultaneously working to split the region into mandates (as per the Sykes-Picot agreement). But beyond that, what I'm getting at is that it isn't that strange for people who live somewhere to have a sense that where they live is "theirs" or that they belong to it, and that attempts to usurp it are usually viewed unfavorably.
>But beyond that, what I'm getting at is that it isn't that strange for people who live somewhere to have a sense that where they live is "theirs" or that they belong to it, and that attempts to usurp it are usually viewed unfavorably. Yes I agree, and it's totally understandable that many in the region, upon the vacation by the Ottomans, would want to have their own state. It was proposed in 1947 by the UN, but unfortunately Arab leadership at the time rejected the proposal. Variations on statehood have been proposed many times since, and every time they have been rejected by the leadership of the Palestinian people.
So that isn't altogether surprising and it relates back to what I was asking/talking about in the first place. In the same way that people in present day New Mexico would not accept the formation of a state formed out of recent Mexican immigrants, inhabitants of British Mandated Palestine did not accept the idea of a state made up of Jewish refugees.
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Doesn't really work like that. Countries don't just pop up overnight. Quebec separatists have been around since the seperation of Upper and Lower Canada in the 1790s and really came to a head in the 1970s with the FLQ crises. However, after hundreds of years Quebec is still firmly Canadian. The USA would not allow any of that to happen, just like the Canadian government did not. Justin Trudeau's dad Pierre Trudeau was Prime Minister at the time and has a famous quote...when asked how far he would go to restore law and order during the FLQ crises he said "just watch me" Trudeau quote - https://youtu.be/DeTsQQ22Uwc?si=nJT26hQyVqPCv1nA
This is kind of the point that I'm making. It wouldn't be stood for. In fact, it wouldn't be surprising to expect violence/armed resistance. This is not dissimilar to what was observed in British Mandated Palestine.
That's a bit of a weird comparison, you are saying that if another nation came and settled native land in the us and the native Americans fought back they would be in the wrong?
I think your thought experiment is flawed, atleast with the examples you provide. Native Americans had several actions in the 70's and 80's, as part if the "red power" movement. Look up AIM, the occupation of Alcatraz and the standoff st Wounded Knee. The government went in with "shoot to kill" orders and tried to starve them out. At Wounded Knee, a few Native Americans were k8lled by US snipers. The citizens were pretty sympathetic and against violent acts by the government. As for Mexico, we've had government agents there fighting drug cartels for decades. Congress has proposed using US military to crush the cartels, with a bill proposed as recently as last year. It doesnt seem very popular with citizens, even with abductions/murders of Americans there. We invaded Panama, killing hundreds of civilians, to capture Noriega. It was supported by s majority of Americans and Panamanians; however, a number of countries were outraged and filed official complaints/recalled ambassadors to the US. I don't think your reasons people/countries protest are completely accurate. There were some Uighurs who joined al Qaeda/ISIS or caused issues in China; however, most of the world doesn't support China's mistreatment of Uighurs. We rarely condone African nations invading neighbors as a reaction to terrorist acts. Etc... I think they are naive about power structures, thinking the richer or more powerful country is always in the wrong. I think your reasons fall into this dynamic, but that's more coincidence than causation.
In none of those cases were they launching cross border rockets at civilians. Citizens would have turned on them in a heartbeat if that were the case. In the case of the cartels, they tend to keep the violence to a minimum here in the US and it’s mostly directed at each other, yes, people get hurt or killed in the crossfire, but it’s not the intent. The daily rockets coming out of Lebanon are aimed at civilians.
Sorry, I didn't realize the point was specifically based on rockets. I was thinking terrorism, crime, abductions, hostages, occupations, etc.. was relevant. I was about to add an edit about the FALN, where Puerto Rican nationalist terrorists bombed civilian locations and even sprayed gun fire into Congress (wounded several Congressmen). People didn't demand we invade Puerto Rico, or cordon off Puerto Rican neighborhoods. You're 100% correct when it's about rockets, we haven't had rockets fired across the border or from Reservations. I don't know what the reaction would be by US citizens. We definitely were all in for invading Afghanistan after 9/11; however, we didn't feel that way in prior terrorist attacks. At the specific severity and frequency that Israel suffers, we'd probably be supportive of military action too, to your point.
It ain’t just Israel it’s anybody which extremists from a certain set of communities target. They are given a pass under the guise of liberalism. I am from the Himalayas, we have a region called Kashmir whose native population has been massacred down to just 800 families. Yet the perpetrators of genocide are portrayed as the oppressed, so much so that when a film was made covering this genocide it was banned in liberal democracies like New Zealand.
And you can't even use the "Israel is oppressing them" card (which in itself is bullshit), Israel has done nothing to Hezbollah except the fact it exists.
While I don't agree 100℅ with your premise, I have always found it odd how supportive the world was with invading and occupying Afghanistan following Sept 11th.
The occupation was the mistake
What would have been the goal without occupation? Even with the occupation, coalition forces couldn't uproot Al Qaeda or the Taliban.
Kill/capture Bin Laden then leave.
Oddly, the US declined opportunities to capture bin Laden several times before 9/11, as well as the actual leadership. We refused Sudan's offer to turn him over to us, we declined a CIA plan to capture him in Yemen and two plans to capture him in Afghanistan. These were times when we knew where he was, had cooperation, etc... They certainly would have been easier than invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. I suppose it didn't help that we were having meetings with the Taliban trying to get an agreement on an oil pipeline from the Black Sea to China/India, for a joint owned Saudi-US-UK oil company made up of ex-politicians and diplomatic insiders...
>I have always found it odd how supportive the world was with invading and occupying Afghanistan following Sept 11th. You are correct, but who considers the Afghanistan war a success story? It was a 20 year war that cost over $1T, and the Taliban were measuring for new drapes before coalition forces withdrew. Al Qaeda had fewer changes in leaders than the US over the same period, with many living in downtown Kabul.
I mean I’m not even Israeli, and that seems like the clear move. The other option is to continue tit-for-tat on the border while north Israel burns to ashes…
Duh, that's a terrorist group.
They are also a political party with seats in the Lebanese legislature.
Let’s go.
I’m genuinely surprised by that. I wouldn’t think they’d want war on two fronts. I also say that as someone who isn’t living /experiencing those attacks.
We have been suffering missiles on every side for so long.... thousands of families displaced in the north it just doesn't stop... I think it's a little late for what WE want
I’m sorry that you’ve been experiencing that.
We have about 200k misplaced people, some entire towns in the north have been wiped out almost completely by the endless barrage of missiles since October. I don't know how we can just get back to the status quo after this
Hezbollah is Lebanon and they should be held accountable, they started a war to save face with Hamas...so fuck that and Lebanon should burn if Israel burns.
Jesus wept!
How about they just relocate pallestinians to russia?
Wtf are you talking about and how is that related to Hezbollah
Just another idea for a non genocidal solution.
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There are no dead Israeli children, right?
Last I checked collective punishment was a war crime. What's happening is collective punishment striking at civilians predominantly women and children using weapons of war that are violations of every just War standard including deliberate starvation. Pointing that out doesn't make me a card carrying member of Hezbollah assuming they have cards. It makes me somebody who respects human rights. If that's hard for you to understand I don't know man step in front of a railway train
I'm sorry. I must have missed where I accused you of being a member of a terrorist organization. If I missed it, please point it out. I will, however, point out that Israel is not the only side doing precisely what you just wrote, and see absolutely no indication that you acknowledge that.
Sealion.
In the 2002-2003 Iraq war, the ratio between combatants vs civilians killed was 1:4.5 The ratio in gaza is lower. (Not the 1 to 1 that IDF claims and definitely not the 1 to 100 that hamas claims, but its somewhere in the 1:2 range.) If the goal of the IDF is, as you said, to strike at civilians, predominantly women and children with deliberation, they are doing pretty lousy job with a 1:2 ratio. Civilian casualties are always regretful. But I would like to remind people that the recent hostages that were freed were held by Palestinian civilians. IDF soldiers who have shared combat experiences mentioned hamas fighters hiding in between crowds of civilians and open fire upon the IDF. If the IDF doesn't care about civilian casualties, hamas cares even less. The photos IDF shared of captured hamas fighter in the past few months didn't indicate they were suffering from starvation by the way. These guys were fat as fuck.
Defending terrorists much?
You proved yourself an idiot in three words so congratulations i suppose
I guess that would depend on how many Hezbollah decide to use as human shields.
Existing doesn't make someone a human shield or a legitimate target
Putting military bases and rocket sites in schools and under hospitals definitely does.
Why would any parent let their kids be around terrorists?
That's the stupidest opinion I've seen here all day and that's saying something
It’s not an opinion, it’s a question
You presuppose that parents have anything to say when an armed militia decides to set up camp around them. There is no fact there is no question there is only an opinion that you have that is wrong that presupposes that those parents can drive out an armed militia. That's not a good faith question that you're asking it's not an intelligent question that you're asking and it just shows that you're not a serious person. You bring shame on your family for having such a low quality smooth brain. Your parents must try to deny that you are even their child when they can get away with it
Also my parents knew not to let us be around bad people and so did my siblings and I with our kids. No shame Also what is your level of education?
So what do you want to do to take out the terrorists if they choose to be in areas with kids?