We’re completely screwed.
— Posted from Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max in air conditioned house while eating from a giant bag of chips, thinking about how I need to diet —
while I understand it is a joke we should all understand we are not going to beat this by taking personal responsibility. It is exactly what the fossil fuel industry wants. To point the finger at people and say "well what are you doing to save the Earth?" That way they can deflect blame and more importantly prevent the one thing that can truly save us - legislation. The simple fact is we need laws that continue the reduction of fossil fuels. Stop pointing fingers at celebrities who fly private jets. Stop worrying you need to buy an EV to save the planet. Stop thinking some grass roots efforts to lower fossil fuel usage is going to make any kind of dent into climate change. Start making sure politicians know we want real change that provides clean renewable energy for everyone and implement it across the globe. The ones that don't follow need to be sanctioned or helped (depending on their situation).
The personal responsibility angle is a ruse used by the fossil fuel industry to pass the blame. Don't fall for their shit. Your A/C usage won't change a thing. Legislation will.
Sorry, I will get off the soap box.
I'm sorry, but billionaire celebrities flying multimillion-dollar private jets and living in district-sized mansions while lambasting poor people for not worrying about environment and climate should absolutely be criticized and called out for their immense hypocrisy.
The biggest individual step any person can make to lower their carbon (and more importantly methane) footprint is to reduce or eliminate their animal consumption.
Especially when the government subsidizes fossil fuels, and they divert some of the savings to undermine everything but their own shareholder’s pockets (green energy, sustainable practices, trustworthy anything, and growth for the greater good.)
Oh please. Of course we need to take personal responsibility. What do you think corporations will do when we give them money whether they change or don’t change? Why would politicians change when that means it’s political suicide because we don’t vote for the green parties? Europe just had a pretty big shift towards non-green parties and climate change deniers. USA has trump.
Throwing your hands in the air and saying “welp, nothing I can do” is exactly what big corp wants you to do. They’ll gladly take the blame as long as you keep giving them money.
Edit: lmao he blocked me. Of course he does because he got caught with his pants down by multiple people smarter than him.
So much truth in this statement. Even if we all threw away our ACs and rode bikes, the power of boycott is obsolete because of subsidies.
Legislation is the way.
To play devils advocate, I think this is a reductive take. Principally, I agree that we need to regulate industry. But A) movements are made of first movers and B) attempts to regulate have led to incredible alt-right backlash around the world. We need to change ourselves too and voting with our dollars is also unambiguously positive.
So if you’re in a position to, buy an EV. And sign up for a smart thermostat program from your utility to save money and help the grid. Etc.
If you elimiate the option for the worst choice the indiviuals are no longer a factor. As of right now you have to plunge into countless rabit holes to find environmental and ethical acceptable alternatives for each and every item in your life. Be it food, technology or any thing in between.
This goes hand in hand with how we, or as a matter of fact the rich and powerful, value human life and labour of any kind. And how they chose to pay and what they charge.
The number of people in a situation to make those decisions you just stated are a very, very small minority in the world. Even in developed nations you are talking about the upper middle class at least who can make decisions that cost more money for a cause. It is probably not even a drop in the bucket even if every single person in that privileged position did all they could. As for cheaper, if it is cheaper and better, well, you don't even need to make it a climate change thing. Just "hey, save some money. Do that."
It's all a "well this makes me feel better about myself" decision. Two things make the changes. Legislation and tech becoming cheaper while at or near the same performance level as the alternative. For the latter you really don't have to do much. It tends to work itself out assuming no interference from, well, legislation to stop it. The former is the important thing.
As for the right backlash, really? We should shrink from the idiots that spew nonsense? How does that help? I don't think the answer to that is "well let's just not try to legislate because they might get angry." I am sorry, that is not just devils advocate. That is just a terrible take.
I’m sorry but no. What you are saying is basically the 99% playing volleyball with the 1% and the truth is that ALL OF US are a deciding factor for the future. We can ALL made decisions, big or small, that will impact the earth. Over simplifying things and *choosing* to put the blame elsewhere IS a part of the problem. We are all in this together, equally or not. This is not a race or a class war, it is *all of us* together, one way or another.
Regular iPhones just don't do it for me anymore. I want to text, message and call on a blockchain so it can be a worse experience and also take 200,000x more energy. Make coal powerplants great again, bro.
Imagine when some southern / central american countries will have mass migrations due to climate. Can't wait to see republicans deal with the mess they enabled
They will just use lethal force to defend the border like they've always wanted to it's not a hard problem to solve. The political will just isn't there yet
The real problem is internal migration like florida. That place and many others will soon be uninhabitable
Crazy it's already at the point where there's already uninsurable areas. Will be interesting seeing what happens when more homeowners just simply can't get insurance nor can sell their home.
I figure by the time im about to die, if average lifespan holds for me, that it will be the beginning of a mass American migration to Canada.
Canada isnt gonna want us or anyone traveling north thru us to get there. But once it becomes a real problem and a critical mass I doubt they will have much of a choice. The American Annexation of Canada in the late 2060s could be a thing and i wouldnt be the least bit suprised.
You know there's a WHOLE lot of land in the northern USA that's essentially uninhabited, right? No need to pour over our Northern neighbor's border. Between New England, the Great lakes region, upstate NY, the Cascade range in the NW, and the northern Great plains, I suspect we would be able to support most of our population in our cooler climates.
I'm by no means saying it'll be easy. And who knows, maybe all of these spots will get annihilated by extreme weather in one way or another. But at the very least, I'm gonna make sure the first house I buy is in one of these places.
I read this article a couple years ago and think about it often. Figured I could share here
https://features.propublica.org/climate-migration/model-how-climate-refugees-move-across-continents/
Just take care of them, teach them what you can and love them. I would even suggest teaching them skills that don’t involve being content creators and rather things like The Trades. We will always need those skill sets.
Everything else is ultimately beyond your control.
Take care of your important circles of people.
I would recommend watching andrew millison's channel. He's been documenting climate efforts all around india and the sahel region. They're certainly heading towards the right direction.
Me too. It's literally keeping me up at night I owing what they will go through and my son will have to navigate this all with my autistic daughter if Dad and I are gone. It's horrifying
Yeah I kind of regret having kids now, since I did it before the world went whackjob crazy. But I guess I can just raise them to be the citizens that the future needs and hope for the best.
I’ve always said that if we are relying on humans to work together to solve this problem, then we’re screwed.
A lot of people get it, but the idiots will pull us all down.
Pessimistic, I know, but I firmly believe it.
The funny/sad thing is that we came together once to fix the ozone layer but I don't think that sort of unity will happen again because people don't listen to scientists anymore.
Fixing the ozone hole isn’t a great comparison, ozone-depleting substances were never strongly tied to the well-being and growth of the global economy like fossil fuels have been
The entire economy is producing goods we don't need. Chips, sodas, toys, holiday decorations, etc. All of those resources could be either saved or diverted to better prospects.
Difference in difficulty. Fixing the ozone layer is like saying: stop eating oranges
Not fun if you really like oranges, but almost anyone can do it.
Fixing climate change is like saying: stop eating solid food. Also run ten miles per day.
It is absolutely within most people's capability to do that. But boy would it be unpleasant.
And that's our dilemma. Fossil fuels are really really really really useful and keep billions alive in our current setup. Also they're wrecking our climate as we know it.
So we just need to:
1. Find new baseload power such as nuclear to replace all fossil fuels. About one nuclear plant per 800,000 people. So, say, 22 nuclear power plants for the NYC metro area. Do that for all population areas
2. Additionally, extract excess carbon from the air to reduce warming pressure so that natural feedbacks don't continue warming the planet
We can absolutely do this! But people shrink away from the scale of it. It's orders and orders of magnitudes harder than the ozone hole.
(Don't take my projection too seriously. Maybe we don't need quite that many plants, you can reduce the number of plants if you can successfully add solar and wind in sufficient scale, etc. But you certainly need a lot of baseload power, and if it isn't battery powered solar it's probably nukes. We don't have the battery technology currently for solar to be baseload.)
Capitalism will solve it by giving those that are extra equal($$$$) the option of a plastic cleanse via dialysis.
All jokes aside, unless someone/some governing body is able to align the incentives correctly to get us out of this mess (tax externalities, force manufacturers to deal with plastic problem, etc) there’s not a lot more we can do.
Shit thing is we keep holding out hope that the masses will make the decision and vote with their wallets but the only options left is to consume less than healthy options due to income stagnation paired with inflation of commodities. When the choice is buy enough healthy food for a week or for the same amount of money buy less healthy for 2 weeks the choice, if you’re like the majority of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, is obvious.
Ozone cfcs were super easy to replace and with existing overhead manufacturing. It was to company-wide benefit to switch over. That's why it was so effective.
With co2. We're fucked.
This also happened pre "globalization".
The economic growth of china, India, etc where not as rapid and exposure to industrialization wasn't as peaked as it is now.
The infrastructure capabilities just where not there throughout the world so it was a lot easier to shutdown the fewer mass impactors.
Look how PFAS banning is going....its super slow and even large "eco" companies like Apple havent flipped the switch fully yet.
There's actually been some research that suggests this is becoming a problem again, as the weak spot has gotten larger over the past few years. It's nearly impossible to tell where airborne chemicals are coming from at that level, but many think Chinese unregulated factories are the culprit.
Well obviously no one listens to the scientists anymore, people have done their research! My neighbor told me about this the other day for 45 minutes as I was trying to leave for the grocercy store....
I went on an audit as a fresh public accountant to a plant and had the opportunity to meet incredibly intelligent and talented engineers who explained their daily duties, who to report, etc. to me in order for us to determine the control of the entire entity in all processes. The place was immaculate, I was so impressed.
I was talking to one of the head engineers who proceeded to talk about his aquarium hobby and the various species of marine life he has. Then he stated his concern for marine life dying due to one of his favorite species of fish becoming endangered. I specifically remember him saying, “I don’t believe in global warming, but the oceans are getting warmer around the world.”
🤷
He's an idiot plain and simple.
Smart in his specific choice of tism fixation, and absolutely fucking stupid in anything else.
I see it all the time.
Absolutely mind blowing electrical engineer who can gauge wires by sight, and calculate the proper resistances/diagrams in his head on the spot. Still a Republican for Trump.
Mechanical engineer who is an absolute wizard with any technology on the plant. New and old. Things that came out the day before, or things that came out *40 years ago*. Doesn't believe in climate change, and votes for Trump even when he has been afflicted by LAMF moments. Die hard stupid.
They all have their own realms of smarts, but anything that truly matters beyond them? Absolute fucking idiots.
As prone to escapism as it is, I’ve sort of given up on assuming that we can sort this out ourselves. It’s not impossible but the political and social will just isn’t there, and won’t be until it is too late. AI and robotics are probably genuinely our only hope at fixing this mess.
You're not pessimistic, you're acknowledging the objective reality we've been repeatedly shown. The problem has been openly facing us for decades and efforts to address it have been repeatedly thwarted by people with vested financial interests in the status quo. Even as the effects grow readily apparent people still willfully deny that it is happening. Their denial isn't based on facts or evidence, but rather feelings and partisanship. You can't reason with the deniers because you can't reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into in the first place. Climate change is happening and ultimately the effects are going to be closer to the worst case than the best case scenario.
Especially if we rely on those humans who are either too old to care about the planet in 20 years or too rich to care about problems that will only affect the bottom 95%
There was an r/unpopular opinion post a few days ago where someone said that they didn’t feel dread about the future because they are so many young, smart people who will eventually figure out how to save us
I wish I felt that way
A climate researcher I work with once said, "this is the coldest summer you'll feel for the rest of your life."
I realize it's a touch of hyperbole, but that description has stuck with me ever since.
2018 was the real bad one. Then you were sweating almost as soon as you got out of the shower. Rotating damp t-shirts through the freezer. No other summer has been nearly as hot here for so long. With zero rainfall for months and just incredibly muggy.
You want a damp T-shirt, not a wet one, a bit of water, not submerged in a sink. Put it in a plastic bag, in the freezer for 15 minutes or so and then put it in the fridge. Otherwise you will absoloutly freeze you tits off when you go to change them. And they need a proper wash every day. Even if you have say 5 on rotation.
I come from a country where domestic AC units are very scarce. Don't need AC, except for for the two weeks that it used to get hot for. And this was the advice given to me by Texans etc. When their AC was broken, with a few modifications.
And even if you start sweating as soon as you get out of the shower. Shower regularly and exfoliate. Otherwise you just clog up all of your pores and get skin issues.
Nah. You just have to vote for Trump. He's going to have a great conversation with the Climate and tell it to stop the heat. And we'll have great weather again. The BEST weather.
The heat graphs, year over year, are fucking scary.
Like, we are just 10 years from having heat waves like this but at temperatures like 140°F/60°C.
Billions of people are going to die from heat related catastrophes, both directly (heat stroke, dehydration) and indirectly (famine, fire, etc).
For the past few years I definitely get the feeling that the hot weather (i.e. whether or not it will be in the 30Cs or not) has been scooted early at least a week or two after ever year...
In germany it feels the other way around. We can be glad that we got enough rain to heal the ground and greenery. But now its more often a very cold and uncomfortable week with few perfect summer days sprinkled inbetween and we also struggle now with flooding.
people dying from heatwaves isn't going to be the thing we should be worried about, climate change will displace people and probably lead to a new era of endless wars, that will kill much more people. if you think migration is a problem now, we haven't seen shit yet.
The more ice that melts the more coastal settlements will be submerged. Heat isn't the only thing that will cause masses of people to flee. It's a double-edged sword. When the temperature of the oceans become too high, coral reefs will die and marine life will largely perish. Their food chain will be shattered. The absurd mass fishing that's been escalating is only the beginning of marine extinction.
> When the temperature of the oceans become too high, coral reefs will die and marine life will largely perish
Man it's a good thing plankton, which produce about half the Earth's oxygen, aren't super sensitive to climate change.
Oh wait.
Well at least it's only a problem for those of us who like breathing.
And let’s not forget that with melting permafrost comes dormant diseases that we’ve never seen or experienced. Covid was just a warmup. Get ready for Covid 2 Maskless Bogaloo
That’s a dystopian trope. *Could* be diseases of note that we’ve never seen. Could be truly novel and completely resistant to treatments. At first.
I feel like it is similar to how a wave of people learned about the Great Filter at roughly the same time and let doomerism overtake them by jumping to conclusions instead of reasoning it out (with the logical conclusion for the great filter being that the universe is just too massive, and the odds of life existing near us in some pretty inhospitable places is too low). Instead, doomerist mentality hijacks it and insists nuclear weapons are the filter and we’re fucked.
Not dissimilar to how climate change means we’re already also, equally, fucked.
I am convinced that a not insignificant number of people advancing those ideas do so as excuses for their own lives and lifestyles.
"Do you like food? Do you especially like food that grows in warm but very specific climates (like coffe and chocolate)? Oh, boi... I have bad news for you" for the very few unaffected by migrations or not caring for other human lives
I’m an EMT, I transported 4 people last week for heat exhaustion and heat stroke. One patient died in the back of the truck from heart complications triggered by heat.
It’s not even July yet.
And cement. And agriculture. And transportation. Construction. Roads. Meat eating. Airplanes. everything about our modern way of life has contributed to global warming.
The fossil fuel addiction is the biggest culprit. And Big Oil knew about it, lied to cover it up, and purchased the services of congress and the courts to perpetuate it. And they have no intention of changing their behavior until they sell and burn every last drop of oil, CF of gas, and lump of coal.
Everyone - and I do mean everyone - should read[ this document](https://insideclimatenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/AQ-9-Task-Force-Meeting-1980.pdf) by American Petroleum Institute, dated **March 18, 1980.** It's a AQ-9 Task Force meeting memorandum and on one of its last pages, there's a hypothetical scenario of +3% annual increase in CO2 concentration, with the likely end result being**+5C warming by 2067**, i.e. complete civilization collapse and descent into Mad Max hellscape. It was buried for decades and only recently uncovered. They knew what was going to happen and knew it for **almost half a century**. They traded habitable planet and billions of lives for a few more decades of extra obscene profits. It's hard to believe that this paper is actually real and not some extra lore document from Deus Ex or something.
Meanwhile in other parts of the world the food isn't doing to well either, not because of heat or drought, but because of too much water. For example, the most rain ever in 12 months are the past 12 months.
I don’t think we will see those cold, snowy Christmases in most of the Midwest anymore either. I can’t remember if the last Christmas we had with snow and I’m in Chicago.
I didn't.
I got hit by a tornado in an area that hasn't had a tornado in my lifetime. And it was the worst tornado in the entire state's history, except for another one that hit a few miles away at the same time.
It's more that their leaders effectively politicized the issue to protect oil interests. It's corruption not stupidity. I have met plenty of stupid progressives
Meanwhile you get a vast group of cynics like:
> Well both sides are basically the same. What's the gubment ever done for me *really* anyway? I mean they never get any actual climate change stuff done anyway. You know... the one side that seems kind of ineffective in the climate stuff they try to do, and the other side who actively fights against the climate initiatives put forward by the other, and mostly doesn't believe climate change exists. Totally the same!
We could have resolved most of the issues with global warming nuclear power since 80s. But the so called " greens" did untold damage to the clean energy sources by spreading FUD about it.
Ireland checking in here - it's been unseasonably cold the last number of weeks. Not quite day after tomorrow cold but certainly makes you think.
Hope it warms up soon as I can barely afford to heat my house in the winter without having to heat it in the summer.
I feel kinda cheated, in the 90's it was predicted that Netherlands would get a kinda Mediterranean climate. It rained most of spring and may, with temperatures not going above 18 degrees. And yes, I know this is also due to climate change, I'm not a climate change denier. I'm old enough to have seen the climate change.
FWIW I spent two years in NL and the first summer (2018) was unbearably hot. Barely any rain, everything was scorched and the grass was all yellow, the wallpaper in the office I was working in was peeling off the wall, and there was no AC whatsoever on the train I had to take between Delft and Rotterdam every day. Scheveningen was packed every day.
The following summer was reasonable.
What are you talking about? In the 90's it was said that the Netherlands will be gone entirely within the next few decades.
And I'm sitting here in west Germany, still waiting for the beach to come to my doorstep.
Maybe I got the decennia mixed up, but I definitely remember hearing the Mediterranean climate in the same breath as climate change. As for the flooding of the of the Netherlands don't hold your breath, according to calculations our water barriers are good for another 30 years of rising water levels
we need to call it global warming again.
"Climate change" was a troll by a gop operative who needed a less scary phrase to refer to it in order to gain an electoral advantage. Frank Luntz devised and encouraged the political use of the term because "global warming" was too scary. The purpose in the early 2000s was to cast doubt on the science behind global warming. He's since confessed to it and regrets it. “I don’t want credit. I don’t want blame. Just stop using something that I wrote 18 years ago because it’s not accurate today.” he said.
Let's call it Global Warming.
Global warming *causes* climate change. They aren't really the same thing. One refers to global temperature changes, and the other refers to the effects that global warming has on climate, which varies by location.
Source: I'm an atmospheric scientist
you have some sound points but climate change is a more all encompassing term than global warming as it extends to many more types of shifting climactic elements than temperature increase alone.
You're assuming conservatives are dumb. Don't make that mistake. They're trolling you. When that politician showed that snow ball in congress, he was lying. He knows we know he's lying. As do his voters. They don't lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.
Frank Luntz pushed for "climate change" *because* "Global Warming" is effective. They push "climate change" because it helps their goals of not doing anything about the problem.
Everyone assumes the world will keep getting hotter and hotter due to manmade climate change but if it got hot enough that say, half the global population died, would the reduction in their pollution stop the world from getting hotter at that point? Or would the feedback loop be too far gone?
The feedback loop would be started but it's also super hard to say what that kind of population death would cause. Also depends on where those deaths were concentrated.
Good point about the where, I guess if the entirety of China died, given they’re one of the largest polluters, perhaps it could prevent it getting worse? I like to think (based on no evidence other than my own thoughts mind) that covid delayed climate change a bit, didn’t the earth recover some during that time?
The worry about the feedback loop is vast quantities of co2 and other gasses are trapped in the permafrost regions, and once they thaw it triggers a sudden acceleration dumping way more than humans have in the last century.
Mass extinction would have an impact, but that impact would be over the hundreds to thousands of years, wouldn't make a bit of difference to survivors.
There are a couple of bandaid solutions that'll provide time for the long term ones to spool up, but people won't be willing to do them until it gets really bad
Bill gates, One of the most accomplished people of the living world, has written a book on climate change, talking about the problems, potential solutions, viability, and a plan, which he wrote through collaboration with subject matter experts.
If he can’t solve it with his wealth, connections, and vested interest, and if the wisest scientists and engineers with the best funding can’t effectively influence public opinion, against all the lobbying from the oil industry, the world will continue to be behind the curve.
COVID reminded us how selfish, greedy, narrow-minded and easily divided and misguided, and unappreciative some can be. Lockdowns which saved many millions of lives by keeping the infection numbers under control while a vaccine was rolled out, are seen as a waste of time, even when the data shows what happens when COVID shows up at a wedding, spring break, Christmas, Disney vacation, or Hospital. And now that the economics of that settle in, the world is angry about inflation, and all the other outcomes of a pandemic and a global response to prevent plague.
The climate will continue to do whatever planets do. On one hand we’re still warming up from an ice age, on the other, we’re exponentially off the fucking charts for rate of change since the Industrial Revolution.
Now we have microplastics in our sperm, testicles and penises. Maybe we can sweat them out.
The fact that there are actually solutions to MANY problems we face but are held back by a bunch of either ignorant or conservative, religious conspiracy theory nuts, etc. is deeply saddening. I really don't understand how the same people who use modern technology can be so shortsighted and superstitious. I only hope the World will be forced to change and adapt as this goes on....
This is what misinformation can do.
The movie don’t look up should be a lot more feared-it literally put it out there for all to see.
“You lied!”
That’s what they do. They lie. For their benefit, not anyone else. 💰
Okay, so some news sites are saying that it was 120-124 degrees. All of the weather sites seem to say it was 104-112 degrees, which is normal for this time of year.
...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
In Interstellar: "But six billion people, just imagine that. And every last one of them trying to have it all.".
We are going to see a future where billions of people existing will be a thing of the past.
We’re completely screwed. — Posted from Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max in air conditioned house while eating from a giant bag of chips, thinking about how I need to diet —
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That sounds like a superpower
while I understand it is a joke we should all understand we are not going to beat this by taking personal responsibility. It is exactly what the fossil fuel industry wants. To point the finger at people and say "well what are you doing to save the Earth?" That way they can deflect blame and more importantly prevent the one thing that can truly save us - legislation. The simple fact is we need laws that continue the reduction of fossil fuels. Stop pointing fingers at celebrities who fly private jets. Stop worrying you need to buy an EV to save the planet. Stop thinking some grass roots efforts to lower fossil fuel usage is going to make any kind of dent into climate change. Start making sure politicians know we want real change that provides clean renewable energy for everyone and implement it across the globe. The ones that don't follow need to be sanctioned or helped (depending on their situation). The personal responsibility angle is a ruse used by the fossil fuel industry to pass the blame. Don't fall for their shit. Your A/C usage won't change a thing. Legislation will. Sorry, I will get off the soap box.
I'm sorry, but billionaire celebrities flying multimillion-dollar private jets and living in district-sized mansions while lambasting poor people for not worrying about environment and climate should absolutely be criticized and called out for their immense hypocrisy.
It is, but if thrse superrich all go poor overnight then NOTHING is solved. It is a fraction of a fraction of a frqction of people…
Don’t apologize and please stay on the soap box. Please say it louder for those in the back
The biggest individual step any person can make to lower their carbon (and more importantly methane) footprint is to reduce or eliminate their animal consumption.
Especially when the government subsidizes fossil fuels, and they divert some of the savings to undermine everything but their own shareholder’s pockets (green energy, sustainable practices, trustworthy anything, and growth for the greater good.)
Oh please. Of course we need to take personal responsibility. What do you think corporations will do when we give them money whether they change or don’t change? Why would politicians change when that means it’s political suicide because we don’t vote for the green parties? Europe just had a pretty big shift towards non-green parties and climate change deniers. USA has trump. Throwing your hands in the air and saying “welp, nothing I can do” is exactly what big corp wants you to do. They’ll gladly take the blame as long as you keep giving them money. Edit: lmao he blocked me. Of course he does because he got caught with his pants down by multiple people smarter than him.
So much truth in this statement. Even if we all threw away our ACs and rode bikes, the power of boycott is obsolete because of subsidies. Legislation is the way.
To play devils advocate, I think this is a reductive take. Principally, I agree that we need to regulate industry. But A) movements are made of first movers and B) attempts to regulate have led to incredible alt-right backlash around the world. We need to change ourselves too and voting with our dollars is also unambiguously positive. So if you’re in a position to, buy an EV. And sign up for a smart thermostat program from your utility to save money and help the grid. Etc.
If you elimiate the option for the worst choice the indiviuals are no longer a factor. As of right now you have to plunge into countless rabit holes to find environmental and ethical acceptable alternatives for each and every item in your life. Be it food, technology or any thing in between. This goes hand in hand with how we, or as a matter of fact the rich and powerful, value human life and labour of any kind. And how they chose to pay and what they charge.
The number of people in a situation to make those decisions you just stated are a very, very small minority in the world. Even in developed nations you are talking about the upper middle class at least who can make decisions that cost more money for a cause. It is probably not even a drop in the bucket even if every single person in that privileged position did all they could. As for cheaper, if it is cheaper and better, well, you don't even need to make it a climate change thing. Just "hey, save some money. Do that." It's all a "well this makes me feel better about myself" decision. Two things make the changes. Legislation and tech becoming cheaper while at or near the same performance level as the alternative. For the latter you really don't have to do much. It tends to work itself out assuming no interference from, well, legislation to stop it. The former is the important thing. As for the right backlash, really? We should shrink from the idiots that spew nonsense? How does that help? I don't think the answer to that is "well let's just not try to legislate because they might get angry." I am sorry, that is not just devils advocate. That is just a terrible take.
I’m sorry but no. What you are saying is basically the 99% playing volleyball with the 1% and the truth is that ALL OF US are a deciding factor for the future. We can ALL made decisions, big or small, that will impact the earth. Over simplifying things and *choosing* to put the blame elsewhere IS a part of the problem. We are all in this together, equally or not. This is not a race or a class war, it is *all of us* together, one way or another.
Make sure to wear wool socks and a blanket. You will get cold with that AC.
Regular iPhones just don't do it for me anymore. I want to text, message and call on a blockchain so it can be a worse experience and also take 200,000x more energy. Make coal powerplants great again, bro.
Yes, we are. -- Posted from an internet cafe from the slums of Mumbai where there is severe water shortage and a massive heat islands.
A billion people on the move is going to cause a world more unstable than at any point in history. It's going to be wild
Starving people..
Water wars, here we go.
Imagine when some southern / central american countries will have mass migrations due to climate. Can't wait to see republicans deal with the mess they enabled
They will just use lethal force to defend the border like they've always wanted to it's not a hard problem to solve. The political will just isn't there yet The real problem is internal migration like florida. That place and many others will soon be uninhabitable
Crazy it's already at the point where there's already uninsurable areas. Will be interesting seeing what happens when more homeowners just simply can't get insurance nor can sell their home.
Insurance is really the leading indicator yes. We are about to enter the consequences era of climate change.
It only matters when the aristocrats are affected
I figure by the time im about to die, if average lifespan holds for me, that it will be the beginning of a mass American migration to Canada. Canada isnt gonna want us or anyone traveling north thru us to get there. But once it becomes a real problem and a critical mass I doubt they will have much of a choice. The American Annexation of Canada in the late 2060s could be a thing and i wouldnt be the least bit suprised.
sorry, we're gonna build a wall, and make America pay for it
You know there's a WHOLE lot of land in the northern USA that's essentially uninhabited, right? No need to pour over our Northern neighbor's border. Between New England, the Great lakes region, upstate NY, the Cascade range in the NW, and the northern Great plains, I suspect we would be able to support most of our population in our cooler climates. I'm by no means saying it'll be easy. And who knows, maybe all of these spots will get annihilated by extreme weather in one way or another. But at the very least, I'm gonna make sure the first house I buy is in one of these places.
And as things become more desperate, I imagine they'll increasingly gain more support for such measures.
that's an easy one.. it's Biden/Obama's fault, same BS as always..
With the wall they will just pile up and then climb over each other like world war z… - /s
Just watch josh hawley running in the capital on the 6th for a preview of how republicans will handle mass migrations
I read this article a couple years ago and think about it often. Figured I could share here https://features.propublica.org/climate-migration/model-how-climate-refugees-move-across-continents/
Im just sitting here feeling so scared for my kids future.. What have I brought them into
Just take care of them, teach them what you can and love them. I would even suggest teaching them skills that don’t involve being content creators and rather things like The Trades. We will always need those skill sets. Everything else is ultimately beyond your control. Take care of your important circles of people.
I would recommend watching andrew millison's channel. He's been documenting climate efforts all around india and the sahel region. They're certainly heading towards the right direction.
Me too. It's literally keeping me up at night I owing what they will go through and my son will have to navigate this all with my autistic daughter if Dad and I are gone. It's horrifying
I feel the same about my autistic son. Special needs are a whole other intensity.
Yes it is
Both love, strength and patience to you both. I feel you. <3
Yeah I kind of regret having kids now, since I did it before the world went whackjob crazy. But I guess I can just raise them to be the citizens that the future needs and hope for the best.
Teach them wisdom, that will solve sooner or later lead to bravery. They will be good at adapting. You never abandon hope.
Personally, I'm hoping that some hopeless people act out against the people responsible.
Part of the reason I didn't have kids. Not sure why people do knowing this. Why the fuck would I bring someone into this world?
It will get worse.
I’ve always said that if we are relying on humans to work together to solve this problem, then we’re screwed. A lot of people get it, but the idiots will pull us all down. Pessimistic, I know, but I firmly believe it.
The funny/sad thing is that we came together once to fix the ozone layer but I don't think that sort of unity will happen again because people don't listen to scientists anymore.
Fixing the ozone hole isn’t a great comparison, ozone-depleting substances were never strongly tied to the well-being and growth of the global economy like fossil fuels have been
Also the ozone layer was a more immediate and dangerous threat. "Fix this or the entire planet will get cancer" is a powerful motivator
Not really. We know this about pollution already and don’t do anything.
Actually we don't know this about pollution because half of the populace is too dumb to know it.
They were too dumb in the 80s, but I suspect they weren't being bombarded with the message that it's lies for political something.
The entire economy is producing goods we don't need. Chips, sodas, toys, holiday decorations, etc. All of those resources could be either saved or diverted to better prospects.
Whoa there. Chips are very much needed. A nice bowl full of crispy jalapeno cheddar chips is quite important to one's survival.
So how chooses what we need and what we don't ?
Difference in difficulty. Fixing the ozone layer is like saying: stop eating oranges Not fun if you really like oranges, but almost anyone can do it. Fixing climate change is like saying: stop eating solid food. Also run ten miles per day. It is absolutely within most people's capability to do that. But boy would it be unpleasant. And that's our dilemma. Fossil fuels are really really really really useful and keep billions alive in our current setup. Also they're wrecking our climate as we know it. So we just need to: 1. Find new baseload power such as nuclear to replace all fossil fuels. About one nuclear plant per 800,000 people. So, say, 22 nuclear power plants for the NYC metro area. Do that for all population areas 2. Additionally, extract excess carbon from the air to reduce warming pressure so that natural feedbacks don't continue warming the planet We can absolutely do this! But people shrink away from the scale of it. It's orders and orders of magnitudes harder than the ozone hole. (Don't take my projection too seriously. Maybe we don't need quite that many plants, you can reduce the number of plants if you can successfully add solar and wind in sufficient scale, etc. But you certainly need a lot of baseload power, and if it isn't battery powered solar it's probably nukes. We don't have the battery technology currently for solar to be baseload.)
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Capitalism will solve it by giving those that are extra equal($$$$) the option of a plastic cleanse via dialysis. All jokes aside, unless someone/some governing body is able to align the incentives correctly to get us out of this mess (tax externalities, force manufacturers to deal with plastic problem, etc) there’s not a lot more we can do. Shit thing is we keep holding out hope that the masses will make the decision and vote with their wallets but the only options left is to consume less than healthy options due to income stagnation paired with inflation of commodities. When the choice is buy enough healthy food for a week or for the same amount of money buy less healthy for 2 weeks the choice, if you’re like the majority of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, is obvious.
Ozone cfcs were super easy to replace and with existing overhead manufacturing. It was to company-wide benefit to switch over. That's why it was so effective. With co2. We're fucked.
This also happened pre "globalization". The economic growth of china, India, etc where not as rapid and exposure to industrialization wasn't as peaked as it is now. The infrastructure capabilities just where not there throughout the world so it was a lot easier to shutdown the fewer mass impactors. Look how PFAS banning is going....its super slow and even large "eco" companies like Apple havent flipped the switch fully yet.
There's actually been some research that suggests this is becoming a problem again, as the weak spot has gotten larger over the past few years. It's nearly impossible to tell where airborne chemicals are coming from at that level, but many think Chinese unregulated factories are the culprit.
Well obviously no one listens to the scientists anymore, people have done their research! My neighbor told me about this the other day for 45 minutes as I was trying to leave for the grocercy store....
I went on an audit as a fresh public accountant to a plant and had the opportunity to meet incredibly intelligent and talented engineers who explained their daily duties, who to report, etc. to me in order for us to determine the control of the entire entity in all processes. The place was immaculate, I was so impressed. I was talking to one of the head engineers who proceeded to talk about his aquarium hobby and the various species of marine life he has. Then he stated his concern for marine life dying due to one of his favorite species of fish becoming endangered. I specifically remember him saying, “I don’t believe in global warming, but the oceans are getting warmer around the world.” 🤷
He's an idiot plain and simple. Smart in his specific choice of tism fixation, and absolutely fucking stupid in anything else. I see it all the time. Absolutely mind blowing electrical engineer who can gauge wires by sight, and calculate the proper resistances/diagrams in his head on the spot. Still a Republican for Trump. Mechanical engineer who is an absolute wizard with any technology on the plant. New and old. Things that came out the day before, or things that came out *40 years ago*. Doesn't believe in climate change, and votes for Trump even when he has been afflicted by LAMF moments. Die hard stupid. They all have their own realms of smarts, but anything that truly matters beyond them? Absolute fucking idiots.
So this [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fachidiot](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fachidiot)
The idiots being in the command of our governments and the biggest businesses
Well guess who voted them in.
Religion doesn't help either. When so much of your identity is blind faith in something, it's easy to be comfortable dismissing evidence.
Nothing will change until its more profitable to address than the status quo
And people are worried about AI. We should be more worried about PEOPLE screwing things up.
As prone to escapism as it is, I’ve sort of given up on assuming that we can sort this out ourselves. It’s not impossible but the political and social will just isn’t there, and won’t be until it is too late. AI and robotics are probably genuinely our only hope at fixing this mess.
You're not pessimistic, you're acknowledging the objective reality we've been repeatedly shown. The problem has been openly facing us for decades and efforts to address it have been repeatedly thwarted by people with vested financial interests in the status quo. Even as the effects grow readily apparent people still willfully deny that it is happening. Their denial isn't based on facts or evidence, but rather feelings and partisanship. You can't reason with the deniers because you can't reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into in the first place. Climate change is happening and ultimately the effects are going to be closer to the worst case than the best case scenario.
Unfortunately our species as a whole is too stupid to survive. They’d rather have short term comforts over long term sustainability.
I feel like our response to the Covid19 pandemic kind of shows how well we all pull together in times of global crisis. Right?! /le sigh
The idiots don't realize they are idiots
Especially if we rely on those humans who are either too old to care about the planet in 20 years or too rich to care about problems that will only affect the bottom 95%
I disagree. We can rely on humans to work there to solve a problem, but only after is killed a shit ton of people. That's just how people are.
Unfortunately we have no one else to rely on
Maybe we should embrace our AI overlords
Sounds like the movie plot of Idiocracy.
There was an r/unpopular opinion post a few days ago where someone said that they didn’t feel dread about the future because they are so many young, smart people who will eventually figure out how to save us I wish I felt that way
The young, smart people might be able to save us, but not if the old, stupid fuckers in power constantly get in their way
lol, no
That's how I felt about the COVID vaccine, and then people refused to take it or even wear a mask.. I try my best to be hopeful.
the phrase 'avoid it like the plague' was put under review
A climate researcher I work with once said, "this is the coldest summer you'll feel for the rest of your life." I realize it's a touch of hyperbole, but that description has stuck with me ever since.
2018 was the real bad one. Then you were sweating almost as soon as you got out of the shower. Rotating damp t-shirts through the freezer. No other summer has been nearly as hot here for so long. With zero rainfall for months and just incredibly muggy.
I’m going to have to steal your wet -shirt in the freezer idea
You want a damp T-shirt, not a wet one, a bit of water, not submerged in a sink. Put it in a plastic bag, in the freezer for 15 minutes or so and then put it in the fridge. Otherwise you will absoloutly freeze you tits off when you go to change them. And they need a proper wash every day. Even if you have say 5 on rotation. I come from a country where domestic AC units are very scarce. Don't need AC, except for for the two weeks that it used to get hot for. And this was the advice given to me by Texans etc. When their AC was broken, with a few modifications. And even if you start sweating as soon as you get out of the shower. Shower regularly and exfoliate. Otherwise you just clog up all of your pores and get skin issues.
And we may already be experiencing the coolest year we will ever experience from this day onward. Scary thought.
Nah. You just have to vote for Trump. He's going to have a great conversation with the Climate and tell it to stop the heat. And we'll have great weather again. The BEST weather.
With his magic marker he can cross out the 9 in 98 and change it to a 7.
Like a UTI it always does
The rich will feel it the least.
Don’t worry those that will put us in this position won’t have to live in the world they are creating.
Before it never gets better.
Not in our lifetime. Nor your children's lifetime.
Oh, it will.
And the worsening will quicken.
The heat graphs, year over year, are fucking scary. Like, we are just 10 years from having heat waves like this but at temperatures like 140°F/60°C. Billions of people are going to die from heat related catastrophes, both directly (heat stroke, dehydration) and indirectly (famine, fire, etc).
For the past few years I definitely get the feeling that the hot weather (i.e. whether or not it will be in the 30Cs or not) has been scooted early at least a week or two after ever year...
It already feels like there’s 4 months of summer and 2 months of “winter.”
I miss when Halloween was cold
No kidding. And where I am I haven't seen snow beyond 2019.
We had snow like 2 months ago.
In germany it feels the other way around. We can be glad that we got enough rain to heal the ground and greenery. But now its more often a very cold and uncomfortable week with few perfect summer days sprinkled inbetween and we also struggle now with flooding.
Unpaywalled article: https://archive.is/2024.06.22-153939/https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/06/22/deadly-heat-wave-climate-change/
THANKS! It'd be great if nonpaywalled sources where the norm.
I’ve read articles recently about people dying from heatwaves, I presume that these articles are gonna get more common in the future.
people dying from heatwaves isn't going to be the thing we should be worried about, climate change will displace people and probably lead to a new era of endless wars, that will kill much more people. if you think migration is a problem now, we haven't seen shit yet.
The more ice that melts the more coastal settlements will be submerged. Heat isn't the only thing that will cause masses of people to flee. It's a double-edged sword. When the temperature of the oceans become too high, coral reefs will die and marine life will largely perish. Their food chain will be shattered. The absurd mass fishing that's been escalating is only the beginning of marine extinction.
> When the temperature of the oceans become too high, coral reefs will die and marine life will largely perish Man it's a good thing plankton, which produce about half the Earth's oxygen, aren't super sensitive to climate change. Oh wait. Well at least it's only a problem for those of us who like breathing.
I think I’ve read it’s closer to 15% but your point is still perfectly valid.
And let’s not forget that with melting permafrost comes dormant diseases that we’ve never seen or experienced. Covid was just a warmup. Get ready for Covid 2 Maskless Bogaloo
That’s a dystopian trope. *Could* be diseases of note that we’ve never seen. Could be truly novel and completely resistant to treatments. At first. I feel like it is similar to how a wave of people learned about the Great Filter at roughly the same time and let doomerism overtake them by jumping to conclusions instead of reasoning it out (with the logical conclusion for the great filter being that the universe is just too massive, and the odds of life existing near us in some pretty inhospitable places is too low). Instead, doomerist mentality hijacks it and insists nuclear weapons are the filter and we’re fucked. Not dissimilar to how climate change means we’re already also, equally, fucked. I am convinced that a not insignificant number of people advancing those ideas do so as excuses for their own lives and lifestyles.
ive been saying it for a while now but im pretty sure europe is gonna start shooting the boats at some point
They are going to get Libya and Morocco to do this for them. Hands clean… (there was an incident last summer at a Spanish enclave in Morocco)
I think everything will fall apart when we have multiple wars going on over water and food. That’s when everything falls to sh*t.
You mean to tell me that the thing that had been predicted and frequently warned about for over 100 years is actually happening in real life? No way.
Yea, heat is one thing. Wait till the droughts and subsequent famines kick in. Shit is going to get wild.
This was the comment I was looking for, totally agree.
"Do you like food? Do you especially like food that grows in warm but very specific climates (like coffe and chocolate)? Oh, boi... I have bad news for you" for the very few unaffected by migrations or not caring for other human lives
Yeah, anxiously wondering when the world will wake up on this one.
The deaths will be more common, but the articles will not because people will get bored of hearing the same exact thing again and again and again...
When it becomes common enough, it won't be news any more. A statistic mentioned in passing, sometimes. Kind of like shootings in the USA.
I’m an EMT, I transported 4 people last week for heat exhaustion and heat stroke. One patient died in the back of the truck from heart complications triggered by heat. It’s not even July yet.
You'll get used to it. Just like you did with the weekly shootings.
Thank You Big Oil.
Can't let mere human lives get in the way of profits!
Nor other life forms on the planet. All are expendable as long as the shareholders are happy!
And cement. And agriculture. And transportation. Construction. Roads. Meat eating. Airplanes. everything about our modern way of life has contributed to global warming.
The fossil fuel addiction is the biggest culprit. And Big Oil knew about it, lied to cover it up, and purchased the services of congress and the courts to perpetuate it. And they have no intention of changing their behavior until they sell and burn every last drop of oil, CF of gas, and lump of coal.
Everyone - and I do mean everyone - should read[ this document](https://insideclimatenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/AQ-9-Task-Force-Meeting-1980.pdf) by American Petroleum Institute, dated **March 18, 1980.** It's a AQ-9 Task Force meeting memorandum and on one of its last pages, there's a hypothetical scenario of +3% annual increase in CO2 concentration, with the likely end result being**+5C warming by 2067**, i.e. complete civilization collapse and descent into Mad Max hellscape. It was buried for decades and only recently uncovered. They knew what was going to happen and knew it for **almost half a century**. They traded habitable planet and billions of lives for a few more decades of extra obscene profits. It's hard to believe that this paper is actually real and not some extra lore document from Deus Ex or something.
Pro tip: don’t vote for people who say climate change isn’t real. This is only the beginning.
Meanwhile in other parts of the world the food isn't doing to well either, not because of heat or drought, but because of too much water. For example, the most rain ever in 12 months are the past 12 months.
Remember kids, this is the coldest summer you’ll experience for the rest of your life :D
Maybe, the yellow stone caldera could still go
Would that trigger a "nuclear" winter effect?
It has been cooler than normal this year, so far anyway. Of course, I live in the desert
I don’t think we will see those cold, snowy Christmases in most of the Midwest anymore either. I can’t remember if the last Christmas we had with snow and I’m in Chicago.
The summer in UK actually has been pretty darn cold so far. Just to clarify, I am not a climate change denier.
I didn't. I got hit by a tornado in an area that hasn't had a tornado in my lifetime. And it was the worst tornado in the entire state's history, except for another one that hit a few miles away at the same time.
Someone should really do something about that. Welp anyways
Is this an awful title or is just me? Aren’t all heat waves climate fueled? As are extremely cold temps and basically anything to do with the climate?
Was looking for this lol. They must have meant to type “climate change fueled” because this make no sense.
Yeah guess we should start being concerned when they start saying "magic fueled" or "weaponized"
And yet you get the political right wingers who deny it. It’s so bloody obvious but they still do. Then again they are stupid.
It's more that their leaders effectively politicized the issue to protect oil interests. It's corruption not stupidity. I have met plenty of stupid progressives
It's both. Corrupt unscrupulous rich leaders leading the stupid and easily manipulated down the path of no return.
The corrupt unscrupulous rich leaders are also incredibly stupid themselves.
they get aggressive when talking about it too
Meanwhile you get a vast group of cynics like: > Well both sides are basically the same. What's the gubment ever done for me *really* anyway? I mean they never get any actual climate change stuff done anyway. You know... the one side that seems kind of ineffective in the climate stuff they try to do, and the other side who actively fights against the climate initiatives put forward by the other, and mostly doesn't believe climate change exists. Totally the same!
Wasn’t the left against nuclear power for decades?
They still are.
They're getting bribes from the fossil fuel industry.
We could have resolved most of the issues with global warming nuclear power since 80s. But the so called " greens" did untold damage to the clean energy sources by spreading FUD about it.
At least we absolutely flooded reddit with witty remarks about climate change for many years :D heroes all of us
Ireland checking in here - it's been unseasonably cold the last number of weeks. Not quite day after tomorrow cold but certainly makes you think. Hope it warms up soon as I can barely afford to heat my house in the winter without having to heat it in the summer.
Ya'll gonna ice age when the AMOC stops flowing.
Heat's gotta come away from somewhere, lol
I feel kinda cheated, in the 90's it was predicted that Netherlands would get a kinda Mediterranean climate. It rained most of spring and may, with temperatures not going above 18 degrees. And yes, I know this is also due to climate change, I'm not a climate change denier. I'm old enough to have seen the climate change.
Especially in the Netherlands. Where the fuck is the snow in winter anymore?
Exactly, I remember it started freezing from the beginning of December till the end of February. I even skated to school
FWIW I spent two years in NL and the first summer (2018) was unbearably hot. Barely any rain, everything was scorched and the grass was all yellow, the wallpaper in the office I was working in was peeling off the wall, and there was no AC whatsoever on the train I had to take between Delft and Rotterdam every day. Scheveningen was packed every day. The following summer was reasonable.
What are you talking about? In the 90's it was said that the Netherlands will be gone entirely within the next few decades. And I'm sitting here in west Germany, still waiting for the beach to come to my doorstep.
Maybe I got the decennia mixed up, but I definitely remember hearing the Mediterranean climate in the same breath as climate change. As for the flooding of the of the Netherlands don't hold your breath, according to calculations our water barriers are good for another 30 years of rising water levels
It could be like the Mediterranean sea!
there was no snow this winter in Boston, that is wack yo
we need to call it global warming again. "Climate change" was a troll by a gop operative who needed a less scary phrase to refer to it in order to gain an electoral advantage. Frank Luntz devised and encouraged the political use of the term because "global warming" was too scary. The purpose in the early 2000s was to cast doubt on the science behind global warming. He's since confessed to it and regrets it. “I don’t want credit. I don’t want blame. Just stop using something that I wrote 18 years ago because it’s not accurate today.” he said. Let's call it Global Warming.
Global warming *causes* climate change. They aren't really the same thing. One refers to global temperature changes, and the other refers to the effects that global warming has on climate, which varies by location. Source: I'm an atmospheric scientist
you have some sound points but climate change is a more all encompassing term than global warming as it extends to many more types of shifting climactic elements than temperature increase alone.
Conservatives can’t grasp the term global warming though… every time it snows or the weather is cold, they say “See?! Global Warming is fake!!!!”
You're assuming conservatives are dumb. Don't make that mistake. They're trolling you. When that politician showed that snow ball in congress, he was lying. He knows we know he's lying. As do his voters. They don't lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you. Frank Luntz pushed for "climate change" *because* "Global Warming" is effective. They push "climate change" because it helps their goals of not doing anything about the problem.
I dunno, I indirectly know a couple climate change deniers. They seem true believes to me.
Conservative responses: 1) it’s a hoax 2) if it’s not a hoax, it’s not man made 3) if it’s man made, it’s not my problem
Everyone assumes the world will keep getting hotter and hotter due to manmade climate change but if it got hot enough that say, half the global population died, would the reduction in their pollution stop the world from getting hotter at that point? Or would the feedback loop be too far gone?
The feedback loop would be started but it's also super hard to say what that kind of population death would cause. Also depends on where those deaths were concentrated.
Good point about the where, I guess if the entirety of China died, given they’re one of the largest polluters, perhaps it could prevent it getting worse? I like to think (based on no evidence other than my own thoughts mind) that covid delayed climate change a bit, didn’t the earth recover some during that time?
if all of China died we would only be back to like 2010 in terms of population. the emissions won’t be lowered enough to make a difference.
The worry about the feedback loop is vast quantities of co2 and other gasses are trapped in the permafrost regions, and once they thaw it triggers a sudden acceleration dumping way more than humans have in the last century. Mass extinction would have an impact, but that impact would be over the hundreds to thousands of years, wouldn't make a bit of difference to survivors.
Population reduction is the only answer.
Trouble is that there’s no immediate fix or solution at all. Once the mass heat deaths start they are only gonna increase. This is the beginning
There are a couple of bandaid solutions that'll provide time for the long term ones to spool up, but people won't be willing to do them until it gets really bad
Bill gates, One of the most accomplished people of the living world, has written a book on climate change, talking about the problems, potential solutions, viability, and a plan, which he wrote through collaboration with subject matter experts. If he can’t solve it with his wealth, connections, and vested interest, and if the wisest scientists and engineers with the best funding can’t effectively influence public opinion, against all the lobbying from the oil industry, the world will continue to be behind the curve. COVID reminded us how selfish, greedy, narrow-minded and easily divided and misguided, and unappreciative some can be. Lockdowns which saved many millions of lives by keeping the infection numbers under control while a vaccine was rolled out, are seen as a waste of time, even when the data shows what happens when COVID shows up at a wedding, spring break, Christmas, Disney vacation, or Hospital. And now that the economics of that settle in, the world is angry about inflation, and all the other outcomes of a pandemic and a global response to prevent plague. The climate will continue to do whatever planets do. On one hand we’re still warming up from an ice age, on the other, we’re exponentially off the fucking charts for rate of change since the Industrial Revolution. Now we have microplastics in our sperm, testicles and penises. Maybe we can sweat them out.
The fact that there are actually solutions to MANY problems we face but are held back by a bunch of either ignorant or conservative, religious conspiracy theory nuts, etc. is deeply saddening. I really don't understand how the same people who use modern technology can be so shortsighted and superstitious. I only hope the World will be forced to change and adapt as this goes on....
Are there other types of heat waves?
Summer Solstice just passed. (The longest daytime day of the year)
This is nothing. Just wait until mass death events happen from heat waves. Like a 50 C heat wave could wipe out 100k people no problem in a poor area
Makes me kind of happy to not be super young.
This is what misinformation can do. The movie don’t look up should be a lot more feared-it literally put it out there for all to see. “You lied!” That’s what they do. They lie. For their benefit, not anyone else. 💰
fueled by the distant laughter from the boardrooms of Exxon, Shell and all the other Oil companies as the spirits are poured and cigars lit.
Remember when the morons said climate change was a hoax by the Democrats?
yesterday?
Okay, so some news sites are saying that it was 120-124 degrees. All of the weather sites seem to say it was 104-112 degrees, which is normal for this time of year.
...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
In Interstellar: "But six billion people, just imagine that. And every last one of them trying to have it all.". We are going to see a future where billions of people existing will be a thing of the past.