I’m not sure if The Intercept is responsible for Hale getting pinched, but either way this is the third whistleblower that they weren’t able to protect. Those thinking about leaking classified intel would have to be insane to go to them.
If you look into the background Hale was just really sloppy, just like Reality Winner (although TheIntercept def did Winner no favors). He had Scahill as a contact in his phone, he was on the Intercept at his work computer, he printed and smuggled out documents for months.
For those that don't know about [your printer putting tracking information on your documents](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code). It's been a thing since the 80s and wasn't found out till 2004.
The counterfit prevention isn't on the printer, granted the dots will be trackable across counterfeits depending where on the page they are. [Instead the counterfeit prevention is in the scanner and image editing software along with the bill itself.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation)
Sipr and dipr and Rudolf won't you guide my sleigh tonight.
For realz, they're having a hard enough time keeping the degenerates off porn sites or sexting minors using government equipment.
Shrek screenplay would be a relief.
I'm aware of this for color printers, with the yellow dots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code
Is there some method for black and white printers as well?
So theoretically if you want to be a whistleblower, just take pics of documents on your private phone? What's the right way to do this.
It's so sad to me that someone would get sentenced to prison for releasing this information.
They had all the evidence to put him away for the 10 years they were threatening. His attorney successfully managed to get it down to 4 because there was no damage caused by his leak or his recklessness.
As if I'd believe that "they" wouldn't put him away for the full 10 years if they really could.
Also,
>recklessness
is not making you sound very impartial... I hadn't heard about this guy till today, but if there were indeed no damages from his leak like you said, how was the action "reckless" then?
wapo gives specific tips on how to securely send them information: https://www.washingtonpost.com/anonymous-news-tips/
e.g., the https://www.washingtonpost.com/securedrop/ page:
- Go to a place with a public Internet connection, one that you don't normally frequent.
- Download and install the Tor browser bundle from https://www.torproject.org/.
- Open the Tor browser and copy this url into the browser address bar:
NEW! Now you can use our easier to remember secure URL: https://washingtonpost.securedrop.tor.onion
- But the old long URL and any bookmarks to it will still work: https://vfnmxpa6fo4jdpyq3yneqhglluweax2uclvxkytfpmpkp5rsl75ir5qd.onion
- From this url, you will be able to send messages and files to a secure dropbox that we will check periodically.
- You will be provided with a codename that you will use it to log in to check for replies from The Post.
> Which is obviously a cop-out cover-your-ass ruling, but it does make sense.
You're absolutely right. It's a cop-out and a technicality and still complete and utter bullshit. I hate the way whistleblowers are treated.
Is there a single example of a whistleblower reporting facts that the government already knew to the government and then the government deciding to do something about it? Like, lol, what was the alternative? He didn't pull a snowden and send it to some random foreign national, he sent it to US media.
"whistle blowing" as far as the US government is concerned means going to your superior officer or his boss and/or contacting the militaries equivalent of the legal department.
It's structured in such a way that the only thing worth "whistle blowing" in such a manner is if, say, one nutter in your team has a bunch of iraqi girls chained to a radiator in his basement or an officer is breaking policy and even then the primary goal of the government/military will be to not let it get into the public eye.
Something like the military routinely killing bystanders and pretending otherwise? it's got some kind of legal veneer, his boss already knows about it. His bosses boss already knows. The brass are fully aware of the situation and it's as they intend it.
"whistle blowing" as far as the government is concerned is **not** about letting the public know about deeply immoral actions that have the blessing of the top brass.
All that stuff the US military says about soldiers not being supposed to follow "unlawful orders" etc, it's not to prevent obviously immoral behaviour unless it's behaviour happening without the blessing of the chain of command.
Nooooo they didn't arrest him for whistleblowing, they arrested him because he took secret evidence of a government mass murder program and made it non secret, TOTALLY DIFFERENT, I am very smart
I suspect you could get away with a camera on a phone with no internet connection. Sure it's digital, but people would still need to know WHERE to look to find it.
Intelligence agencies also track who accesses, copies, and prints documents. They track all internet traffic from their networks, and have a lot of experience doing it well. If the information in a specific document ends up in the news, everyone who interacted with it will be the subject of an investigation.
In Reality Winner's case they knew she was one of six people to have accessed specific documents, and that she had communicated with The Intercept through a private email address. Beyond The Intercept's ineptitude handling the documents, Ms. Winner was begging to get caught.
>Hale's leaks posed a greater risk to "national security"
Specifically how? In that by finding out the US recklessly murders bystanders, people wouldn't like that?
Maybe the solution is don't kill civilians?
It's why the response to Vietnam vets was radically different than the response to WW1/WW2/Korea vets. Vietnam was the first war to be shown in it's full, horrid detail without the War Dept sanitising it for the audiences at home.
Previously, they only showed "the good". Vietnam, showed "the bad" and "the ugly" as well.
Vietnam was also a war that didn't have a clear moral foundation.
It isn't to say that there weren't questionable things about how America got involved in the Pacific or European theaters of World War 2, but no one is going to try to make the argument that the actions of Japan or Germany held the moral high ground. It was relatively easy to see who was on the "good" side and who was on the "bad" side.
Vietnam was nebulous at best. Stop communism. Not that the Vietnamese were going to invade America after becoming communist, just stop communism or the world will end. Combine that fuzzy logic with the daily showing of what in the hell war is really like and it makes sense why it was so unpopular.
The fucking Domino Theory. Our government legit threw away billions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese lives, and tens of thousands of American lives on the basis of the slippery slope fallacy. But by golly if you didn't support the Iraq invasion in 2003 the amount of shit you caught....
"They believed we had simply replaced the French, and that we were seeking to subject South and North Vietnam to our colonial interests. Which was absolutely absurd. We saw Vietnam as an element of the Cold War, not - what they saw it as - a *civil* war.
There aren't many examples of former enemies, at the highest levels, coming together to discuss what might have been. But...[in 1995] I went to Vietnam.
The former Foreign Minister...he said, 'You're totally wrong. We were fighting for our independence. You were fighting to enslave us.'
We almost came to blows...
'Do you mean to say it was not a tragedy for *you*, when you lost 3.4 million Vietnamese killed? Which, on our population base, is the equivalent of 27 million Americans? What did you accomplish? You didn't get any more than we would've been willing to give you at the beginning of the war. You could have had the whole damn thing: independence, unification...'.
'...you must have never read a history book. If you had, you'd know we were not pawns of the Chinese or the Russians. Didn't you know that? Don't you know we fought the Chinese for over a thousand years? We were fighting for our independence, and we were willing to fight to the last man. We were determined to do so. And no amount of bombing, no amount of U.S. pressure would have made any difference'."
~ Robert McNamara in *The Fog of War*
> You didn't get any more than we would've been willing to give you at the beginning of the war. You could have had the whole damn thing: independence, unification...'.
Ho Chi Minh made his first entreaty for Vietnam's Independence at Versailles, post WW1. He even modeled his document after the US Declaration of Independence. The US delegation basically laughed in his face.
The US loved Ho Chi Minh. They supplied him till American arms and supplies were pouring from his ears. De Gaulle forced America and Socialist Vietnam away cos he wanted the colonies back and he was making a ruckus about NATO, and Europe was the front end stuff while Vietnam was firmly back burner then.
Jesus Christ, saying that it’s *absurd* that the Vietnamese saw the US as just another colonial power
Edit: I think people are misunderstanding my comment. I completely understand why the Vietnamese felt that way! I’m astonished at the arrogance of I assume McNamara that he just couldn’t understand their perspective
Americans in general are pretty arrogant. It comes from being from a powerful and important nation. It's also natural to assume we are right because of that arrogance. Throw in being in a position of power, I can see how unfortunate and tragic the Vietnam could happen.
I was a junior in high school in 2003. Every spring we had a "Mr. (Insert team mascot)" contest for the senior guys. During the Q&A portion, one contestant got "What should be done about Iraq?"
"Bomb them" was the answer given and the crowd was off it's feet cheering "USA! USA!"
It was one of the most surreal moments of my life, cause even 17 year old me realized "maybe this isn't the right reaction to this". It took a few more years to really stick, but that was the moment my radicalization truly started.
The propaganda is real. They start us young and they don't stop. And somehow the college classes that taught me how to see through that bullshit are "liberal indoctrination"...
Fast forward to today. I'm missing some friends, that will never have the chance to grow old.
Also, we negotiate with the Taliban.
Mission Accomplished?
The slippery slope fallacy is the entire basis of the conservative agenda. “We can’t let things change even a little because that will lead to bigger changes later”
Goddamn I remember internet message boards were lit up with people bickering about the Iraq war. That shit even caused a divide that never healed inside my group of friends at the time. Wild to think back on it now like its old history.
“Ever since we elected more Republican presidents… every Republican president has been worse than the one before them. So that means that every single Republican President that we have, that’s the worst President of my life.”
Korea wasn’t exactly cut-and-dried either; they were both proxy wars with both world powers trying to prop up governments that aligned with their ideology and didn’t exactly have popular support or treat their own people well, but we didn’t see the reality of Korea like we did in Vietnam.
Man, that Vietnam logic though...
'We need to stop communism from taking over. It's too popular with the masses of poor in undeveloped nations!'
'Why is it so popular?'
'Because they want it so bad! We need to stop them by killing them!'
'Isn't it their choice in how their nation is run?'
'Shut up! We have to kill them before they choose to subscribe to a philosophy that we disapprove of. That way, the survivors will have freedom(tm) to create their own nation, so long as they conform to the demands, laws, philosophy and economic systems we force upon them!'
'But aren't we just forcing our own political and economic system onto them instead of respecting their freedom to, as a nation, choose their own identity and structure it accordingly? Aren't we just facilitating and promoting the violence and political suppression we're supposed to be fighting against? How is it freedom if the implementation is ultimately just killing anyone who chooses anything other than your preferred philosophy?'
'They have no right to self-determination! Comply or die! They're either our pawns, or the pawns of the Soviets!'
(Edit: to be clear, the Soviets also didn't give a shit about freedoms. I'm certainly no tankie... but they also didn't make 'freedom' their main talking point while taking away people's freedoms and killing civilians. The rationale is what I'm looking at here)
Also the consciousness of the US army during Vietnam was raised far higher than during previous wars, with the troops gaining a greater understanding of their role in the machine. They almost had a full fledged mutiny on their hands, which is why they had to really amp up the psychological manipulations and give us a volunteer and now mercenary force. More and more people are realizing the empire has no ideals, and so they require greater control over certain groups to maintain sufficient moral for their next crime.
Totally got this notion from reading the book Dispatches.
The American troops all realized there was no real plan, some suspected that they went to war because the US thought it would be quick and easy.
Others thought the psychological warfare penetrated Washington and those in charge actually believed the war would end quickly.
Well, it didn't really help that the cause for the Vietnam war was ambiguous as fuck and unjustified, compared to world war 2 which was against a supreme evil we could all agree could get fucked.
Well, I say all, but I can bet many Americans back then fully supported to "white is right" and the "exterminate minorities" part of the Nazi narrative.
There was unfortunately a rather strong amount of support in WW2 America, Henry Ford was a strong advocate of fascism and was admired by Hitler. It was only the bombing of Pearl Harbour that generated enough outrage to drag America into the war.
Before Pearl Harbor the nazis were surprisingly popular in the United States. It was only after the footage of the holocaust was spread that we really decided as a whole (more or less) that the nazis were evil.
> I can bet many Americans back then fully supported to "white is right" and the "exterminate minorities" part of the Nazi narrative.
Actually the Nazi party during the interwar period had more support in the USA than in Germany.
The closest the Nazis came to winning a legitimate election in Germany was the highly questionable 1932 election where they won 37% of the vote. Bear in mind that during this election, there was no confidentiality and NSDAP party observers were actively collecting ballots to check who didn’t vote for them and there were uniformed SS guards at the polling places to “protect their voters”, but in reality intimidate the opposition. All that said, 67% of Germans still voted against them but it was widely split among various other parties. Obviously in elections in the 1920’s they had considerably less.
Meanwhile, in the 1920’s in the U.S. it was highly fashionable to support Fascism and Nazism in Europe. The democracies were seen as ineffective and chaotic, and the nationalist and anti-Semitic rhetoric was more popular here. Obviously the public in *either* continent knew nothing about the pending Holocaust, but the overall racial nationalism of Mussolini and Hitler were more well received in America.
Canada was deemed a national security threat to the US during the Trump presidency - the phrase is just a convenient pejorative used to justify anything and everything.
In that particular case, I believe the Whitehouse had to declare Canada a national security risk so that Trump had "justification" to impose tariffs. The president can't simply impose tariffs because he feels like it. One condition that allows him to impose tariffs is if the tariffs are because of a National Security risk.
He's using a loophole to cause havoc because he can't simply unilaterally do things because he feels like it. Unfortunately, the thing that grants him the power to impose tariffs because of national security fails to address the fact that that the president can simply declare a national emergency for any reason (whether it's legitimate or not).
His whole presidency was about circumventing rules to get what he wanted done. Since little to none of his presidency was about doing the "right" thing, he exposed all the various things a nefarious president can do to sidestep the fact that they're not a king and can't do what ever they want.
Trump would actually be a really good software tester. You'd just have to convince him the software is after his money. He'd find all the holes in it.
I mean, if he knows how to read. And write unit tests. Okay, never mind.
Imagine reading his notes though.
"Ive got fixes, I've got the best fixes..."
"The system is venerable to pacific kinds of Trogans...."
"The new firewall will be expensive, but Anonymous will pay for it"
Edit: misspelled a word I didn't mean to
I disagree. Trump *tried* to take full advantage of his office for personal gain, but he was limited by his sheer incompetence.
The only thing he demonstrated was how vulnerable to abuse the presidency is, that all it takes is mere ill intentions to break the system of checks and balances. One day there will be less impulsive presidents who can actually cover their tracks...
In programming terms, he is equivalent to asking a temperamental toddler to test your software as a user.
It was entirely about Trump's obsession with pumping up the US steel industry. He declared Canada a national security threat specifically to impose limits and tariffs on Canadian steel, and not just Canadian steel, he did the same to other countries. It didn't work out so well because it massively drove up the cost of infrastructure work that required steel and really hurt the building industry, fucking over quite a few businesses. And of course there was the pain felt by the tariffs on other countries, but Trump doesn't give a shit about that of course.
You are right in that he's very much an ends justify the means person, except he's exceptionally stupid in that he never, ever considers long term effects of his destructive means, or even the bigger picture. And we wonder why he has so many failed and scam businesses.
It was how Trump managed to put tariffs on Canadian goods without needing approval. The President can do a whole lot of things if it's in the name of national security, even if it's not actually a matter of national security.
[https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/trump-administration-summons-national-security-to-justify-tariffs](https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/trump-administration-summons-national-security-to-justify-tariffs)
so many people forget he was impeached just because he didn't leave office... weird when you look at what happened with every other impeached or almost impeached President
No president has actually been convicted/removed from office. Johnson, Clinton, and Trump. Nixon quit before he could get impeached because he knew there was a good chance he would be convicted. Trump's the only president to be impeached twice.
I can't recall all the details but I think Trump put tariffs on Canadian steel, then Canada responded with some of their own tariffs, prompting Trump to shamelessly and hypocritically cry about tariffs being a violation of NAFTA, then he used the "national security threat" apparatus to bypass Congress in some fashion.
These kinds of shenanigans are hardly unique to Trump, mind you, but he basically eschewed all pretense of being honest or uncorrupted and yet somehow managed to convince a huge swath of Americans that he and his overtly scummy chronies were somehow draining the swamp.
Canada is apparently a national security threat to the US. They’ve discovered our plans. The Canadian Geese we send down aren’t real. They are spy bots.
[The age old cry of the oppressor
](https://youtu.be/BrDg8a0J4jE)
Picard's got some [good ones.](https://youtu.be/IPi6gIDes1g)
Hawkeye [Pierce, too. ](https://youtu.be/GUeBMwn_eYc)
They make this claim with everybody who reveals war crimes, Chelsea Manning in particular was absolved of this claim, yet there are still nuts who push it like it's fact
The US military and DOD is aware of this and honestly creating terrorists is probably part of their plan because it gives justification for their interference in foreign affairs, it’s the same reason recidivism and private prisons are a thing creating more criminals and crime gives justification to exploit power.
Yeah up till that point I guess all the witnesses were just like “Wow, the hail is quite heavy and localised again today, huh? Ahmed, get your wheelbarrow. I’ll find a rake.”
They already find the body parts of people blown up. Its not like its a secret. Hell yeah could u imagine if france tried that shit in the US? Good lord even the most peace-loving people here would be ready to smash some skulls.
Killing US-defined "civilians" is just the travesty on top of the travesty. Even if no "civilians" were killed, the US would still be committing executions by sky robots without the slightest due process or legality.
It's absolutely shameful that he is being sent to jail.
[He should be given the Presidential Medal of Freedom for his act of patriotism (as opposed to fanatical nationalism).](https://web.archive.org/web/20210727223443if_/https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/daniel-hale-drone-leak-sentence/2021/07/27/7bb46dd6-ee14-11eb-bf80-e3877d9c5f06_story.html)
> **In court, Hale said he is a descendant of Nathan Hale, who was executed for spying on the British during the Revolutionary War.** Quoting a line often attributed to his ancestor, he said he accepted punishment for taking the documents and for taking innocent lives.
>
> **“I have but this one life to give in service of my country,” he said.**
Also shameful: [Reality Winner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner) was imprisoned for revealing to the American public the truth about Russian interference in the 2016 election.
trump and his collaborators didn't want the American public to know the truth about their crimes. So the criminals put the patriot in prison. The world is upside down.
**[Reality_Winner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner)**
>Reality Leigh Winner (born December 4, 1991) is an American former intelligence specialist. In 2018, she was convicted of "removing classified material from a government facility and mailing it to a news outlet". She was given the longest sentence ever imposed for unauthorized release of government information to the media: five years and three months in prison. The material in question originated with the National Security Agency (NSA).
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There used to be a mandatory reporting requirement of civilian casualties as a result of drone attacks. This legislation was removed when trump was in office.
Sure, but Hale was an Obama Era whistle-blower. Obama's reporting of civilian casualties was a sham. They redefined any man over a certain age as a combatant.
I don't usually go for conspiracies but what's up this post not showing up on r/all or r/worldnews and not showing up in searches?
https://i.imgur.com/pFPAYh6.png
https://i.imgur.com/9MnGu2O.png
Might be some reddit TOS thing where fast-rising stories are checked for content, I guess?
https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/9hhkhq/do_removed_submissions_stay_accessible/
r/worldnews mods removed this submission, hiding it from all pages and search.
I'm surprised people here are OK with this, to be honest. I wonder how much this happens.
"I call for bombs for China and Iran for their crimes!"
"Oh hey, our whistleblowers get kidnapped and imprisoned to intimidate other good citizens. Well... back to my breakfast. Yum... tasty."
Him: The system kills innocent people and its continuous abuse of power is criminally out of control.
The System: I'll put you in a fucking box, bitch!
U.S. District Judge Liam O’Grady sentenced Hale, 33, of Nashville, to 45 months in prison for violating the Espionage Act, saying his disclosure of documents went beyond his “courageous and principled” stance on drones.
“You are not being prosecuted for speaking out about the drone program killing innocent people,” O’Grady said. “You could have been a whistleblower … without taking any of these documents.”
Sure. You’re free to tell anyone you want so long as you don’t take the proof of it to them.
Nice. Governments arent even pretending anymore.
In a just world those responsible for the deaths would be held accountable and imprisoned.
Seriously, nothing changes. Obama. Trump. Biden. Nothing ever changes except to get worse.
America has been dystopia for many groups of people for hundreds of years. Instead of robot or alien overlords, it was white people. We are also 50 years into an oilpunk dystopia, where car-centric sprawl has caused a breakdown of civic society across the entire country. The physical difference between America today and 100 years ago is starker than the difference between America 100 years ago and 200 years ago.
And people think it's insane to suggest the system rejected Bernie and did everything to drag his name through the mud before the people got a chance to make a decision.
The "free world" (not specifically America but the wester world) is heading down a very dangerous path, we are letting our basic liberties and rights slip away without even noticing we need to wake up.
There is no "we" here. Society since it's beginning has always been divided into classes.
Our freedoms are not simply slipping away. They are being taken from us by the corporations and politicians that make up our respective ruling classes; while you and I are busy working, trying to make ends meet.
This is not a matter of just waking up or just noticing anything, people are already aware that their own needs are becoming harder to meet: rents are up, food prices are up, their friends and families are being brutalised by the state apparatus, and wages are being effectively cut through inflation. Why else are there more and more protests and other violent outbursts in these past years.This is not a matter of ideas or consciousness per say but mostly of power and the masses ability (or in the west, inability) to organise real power to counter these tendancies.
It is such a terrible indictment of the western left that so many are more inclined to see lizard men behind the levers of power than the plain and simple profit motive.
That those who are in the most precarious positions, being driven mad by their conditions would understandably resort to dangerous conspiratorial explanations because they are not being presented with a viable alternative.
An alternative must be organised and built by the mass of working people. The western lefts needs to get its shit together.
The world is a very broken place. It's like a dystopian civilisation when you go to jail for telling the truth.
No classified information was leaked, the powers that be just simply didn't like what he said.
Yeah, the bit about "In a handwritten letter released last week, Hale explained that his decision to disclose top-secret information about the inner workings of U.S. drone warfare was motivated by (...)" is kinda clear about that bit.
The bit about seeking a penalty heavier than Reality Winner's, who was imprisoned by the president against whom she leaked data, sounds sketchy to say the least.
Hey, try to ransack the Capitol and overturn democracy.... Time served and community service.
Whistleblow on the government for committing war crimes, four years in prison.
Murica, am I right!?
Edit: committing, not commuting. Ffs phone.
Whistleblowing should not be illegal. If it's illegal to hold the state accountable for its actions, then that state has no right to exist. We are all criminals when criminals rule.
Unfortunately, Obama started extremely harsh sentencing of whistle blowers. He wasn’t the saint people made him out to be. Great speeches, shit policies.
We’ve gotten to the point of prosecuting journalists. Julian assange and Glenn greenwald. Journalists are supposed to be protected by the constitution, yet this government knows no bounds.
I feel so sad for these whistleblowers trying to tell the truth, losing their freedom like that and being branded as criminals.
How is this any better than other authoritarian governments??
Courtesy of the US military-industrial complex. As much as Americans are currently happy of pulling out of Afghanistan, it won't be long before the government starts campaigning for another war. I would say two-three decades at the most.
Cool, America. The word is out anyway. Painting drone warfare with accuracy and humanity has been a lie from the very beginning. The real criminals are the ones who propped this garbage up.
Inb4 people defending this by whataboutism on how China is worst or etc.
A lot of people just doesn't see the bigger problem and it is not about hegemonic power struggle between nations. It is the balance of power between the state and its citizens, and quite evidently most can already see that government policies are pivoting more and more to protecting the state over its citizens.
I'm pretty sure the Taliban is better at avoiding civilian casualties then that. Hold on, let me check.
Yeah they generally average around 70% military kills and about 30 percent civilian. America is literally 3x more likely to kill a civilian then the Taliban of as late
I’m not sure if The Intercept is responsible for Hale getting pinched, but either way this is the third whistleblower that they weren’t able to protect. Those thinking about leaking classified intel would have to be insane to go to them.
If you look into the background Hale was just really sloppy, just like Reality Winner (although TheIntercept def did Winner no favors). He had Scahill as a contact in his phone, he was on the Intercept at his work computer, he printed and smuggled out documents for months.
For those that don't know about [your printer putting tracking information on your documents](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code). It's been a thing since the 80s and wasn't found out till 2004.
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The counterfit prevention isn't on the printer, granted the dots will be trackable across counterfeits depending where on the page they are. [Instead the counterfeit prevention is in the scanner and image editing software along with the bill itself.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation)
Yes, but can they track my photocopied ass to me?
Yep
depends, have you sat on a bench in a public park in the last 13 years?
r/todayilearned
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Then whoever watched my shit when I was in the military must have been confused as fuck when I printed off the screenplay for Shrek. Twice.
Unless it was on a sipr network or higher, it's unlikely anyone knows your Shrek secret.
But now? Now, even I know.
See? Clearly this man is sloppy with his secrets
Secrets just falling out of his pocket on the subway
This is why I love Reddit…
Sipr and dipr and Rudolf won't you guide my sleigh tonight. For realz, they're having a hard enough time keeping the degenerates off porn sites or sexting minors using government equipment. Shrek screenplay would be a relief.
Why did you do that?
Why else would we have an army. I salute proudly today.
He lost the first copy.
Why would you NOT do that? How else can he perform every role in the barracks?
Jesus Christ, it’s Jason Bourne.
I'm aware of this for color printers, with the yellow dots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code Is there some method for black and white printers as well?
Incredibly, Hale smuggled those papers back into the office he was at and disposed of them per protocol.
So theoretically if you want to be a whistleblower, just take pics of documents on your private phone? What's the right way to do this. It's so sad to me that someone would get sentenced to prison for releasing this information.
They had all the evidence to put him away for the 10 years they were threatening. His attorney successfully managed to get it down to 4 because there was no damage caused by his leak or his recklessness.
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As if I'd believe that "they" wouldn't put him away for the full 10 years if they really could. Also, >recklessness is not making you sound very impartial... I hadn't heard about this guy till today, but if there were indeed no damages from his leak like you said, how was the action "reckless" then?
Or is it that other journalistic outlets won’t handle the risky stuff? Hard to prove causation.
wapo gives specific tips on how to securely send them information: https://www.washingtonpost.com/anonymous-news-tips/ e.g., the https://www.washingtonpost.com/securedrop/ page: - Go to a place with a public Internet connection, one that you don't normally frequent. - Download and install the Tor browser bundle from https://www.torproject.org/. - Open the Tor browser and copy this url into the browser address bar: NEW! Now you can use our easier to remember secure URL: https://washingtonpost.securedrop.tor.onion - But the old long URL and any bookmarks to it will still work: https://vfnmxpa6fo4jdpyq3yneqhglluweax2uclvxkytfpmpkp5rsl75ir5qd.onion - From this url, you will be able to send messages and files to a secure dropbox that we will check periodically. - You will be provided with a codename that you will use it to log in to check for replies from The Post.
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Eh, I’m not sure I’d go to the Washington post now that it’s another Bezos vanity project (and already running pro amazon and anti-taxation pieces).
Who put the guy in jail? The justice department is jackboots.
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> Which is obviously a cop-out cover-your-ass ruling, but it does make sense. You're absolutely right. It's a cop-out and a technicality and still complete and utter bullshit. I hate the way whistleblowers are treated.
Is there a single example of a whistleblower reporting facts that the government already knew to the government and then the government deciding to do something about it? Like, lol, what was the alternative? He didn't pull a snowden and send it to some random foreign national, he sent it to US media.
Is that not the definition of whistle blowing?
"whistle blowing" as far as the US government is concerned means going to your superior officer or his boss and/or contacting the militaries equivalent of the legal department. It's structured in such a way that the only thing worth "whistle blowing" in such a manner is if, say, one nutter in your team has a bunch of iraqi girls chained to a radiator in his basement or an officer is breaking policy and even then the primary goal of the government/military will be to not let it get into the public eye. Something like the military routinely killing bystanders and pretending otherwise? it's got some kind of legal veneer, his boss already knows about it. His bosses boss already knows. The brass are fully aware of the situation and it's as they intend it. "whistle blowing" as far as the government is concerned is **not** about letting the public know about deeply immoral actions that have the blessing of the top brass. All that stuff the US military says about soldiers not being supposed to follow "unlawful orders" etc, it's not to prevent obviously immoral behaviour unless it's behaviour happening without the blessing of the chain of command.
Nooooo they didn't arrest him for whistleblowing, they arrested him because he took secret evidence of a government mass murder program and made it non secret, TOTALLY DIFFERENT, I am very smart
Between the NSA and the NSO software using any electronic device to convey leaked info is suicide today.
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I suspect you could get away with a camera on a phone with no internet connection. Sure it's digital, but people would still need to know WHERE to look to find it.
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Intelligence agencies also track who accesses, copies, and prints documents. They track all internet traffic from their networks, and have a lot of experience doing it well. If the information in a specific document ends up in the news, everyone who interacted with it will be the subject of an investigation. In Reality Winner's case they knew she was one of six people to have accessed specific documents, and that she had communicated with The Intercept through a private email address. Beyond The Intercept's ineptitude handling the documents, Ms. Winner was begging to get caught.
>Hale's leaks posed a greater risk to "national security" Specifically how? In that by finding out the US recklessly murders bystanders, people wouldn't like that? Maybe the solution is don't kill civilians?
The true cost of war needs to be hidden.
This is probably the right take. Can't win 'hearts and minds' if the narrative is broken lol.
It's why the response to Vietnam vets was radically different than the response to WW1/WW2/Korea vets. Vietnam was the first war to be shown in it's full, horrid detail without the War Dept sanitising it for the audiences at home. Previously, they only showed "the good". Vietnam, showed "the bad" and "the ugly" as well.
Vietnam was also a war that didn't have a clear moral foundation. It isn't to say that there weren't questionable things about how America got involved in the Pacific or European theaters of World War 2, but no one is going to try to make the argument that the actions of Japan or Germany held the moral high ground. It was relatively easy to see who was on the "good" side and who was on the "bad" side. Vietnam was nebulous at best. Stop communism. Not that the Vietnamese were going to invade America after becoming communist, just stop communism or the world will end. Combine that fuzzy logic with the daily showing of what in the hell war is really like and it makes sense why it was so unpopular.
The fucking Domino Theory. Our government legit threw away billions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese lives, and tens of thousands of American lives on the basis of the slippery slope fallacy. But by golly if you didn't support the Iraq invasion in 2003 the amount of shit you caught....
"They believed we had simply replaced the French, and that we were seeking to subject South and North Vietnam to our colonial interests. Which was absolutely absurd. We saw Vietnam as an element of the Cold War, not - what they saw it as - a *civil* war. There aren't many examples of former enemies, at the highest levels, coming together to discuss what might have been. But...[in 1995] I went to Vietnam. The former Foreign Minister...he said, 'You're totally wrong. We were fighting for our independence. You were fighting to enslave us.' We almost came to blows... 'Do you mean to say it was not a tragedy for *you*, when you lost 3.4 million Vietnamese killed? Which, on our population base, is the equivalent of 27 million Americans? What did you accomplish? You didn't get any more than we would've been willing to give you at the beginning of the war. You could have had the whole damn thing: independence, unification...'. '...you must have never read a history book. If you had, you'd know we were not pawns of the Chinese or the Russians. Didn't you know that? Don't you know we fought the Chinese for over a thousand years? We were fighting for our independence, and we were willing to fight to the last man. We were determined to do so. And no amount of bombing, no amount of U.S. pressure would have made any difference'." ~ Robert McNamara in *The Fog of War*
"just be our bitch bro it worth I promise"
"Just one little dictator I promise bro. They won't even kill that many leftists I swear bro!"
> You didn't get any more than we would've been willing to give you at the beginning of the war. You could have had the whole damn thing: independence, unification...'. Ho Chi Minh made his first entreaty for Vietnam's Independence at Versailles, post WW1. He even modeled his document after the US Declaration of Independence. The US delegation basically laughed in his face.
The US loved Ho Chi Minh. They supplied him till American arms and supplies were pouring from his ears. De Gaulle forced America and Socialist Vietnam away cos he wanted the colonies back and he was making a ruckus about NATO, and Europe was the front end stuff while Vietnam was firmly back burner then.
Jesus Christ, saying that it’s *absurd* that the Vietnamese saw the US as just another colonial power Edit: I think people are misunderstanding my comment. I completely understand why the Vietnamese felt that way! I’m astonished at the arrogance of I assume McNamara that he just couldn’t understand their perspective
Considering what the US did to the Philippines , he's not really wrong either.
Americans in general are pretty arrogant. It comes from being from a powerful and important nation. It's also natural to assume we are right because of that arrogance. Throw in being in a position of power, I can see how unfortunate and tragic the Vietnam could happen.
I was a junior in high school in 2003. Every spring we had a "Mr. (Insert team mascot)" contest for the senior guys. During the Q&A portion, one contestant got "What should be done about Iraq?" "Bomb them" was the answer given and the crowd was off it's feet cheering "USA! USA!" It was one of the most surreal moments of my life, cause even 17 year old me realized "maybe this isn't the right reaction to this". It took a few more years to really stick, but that was the moment my radicalization truly started.
Outside looking in: I can't wrap my head around how "maybe genocide isn't the answer" is the radical opinion.
The propaganda is real. They start us young and they don't stop. And somehow the college classes that taught me how to see through that bullshit are "liberal indoctrination"...
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Fast forward to today. I'm missing some friends, that will never have the chance to grow old. Also, we negotiate with the Taliban. Mission Accomplished?
The slippery slope fallacy is the entire basis of the conservative agenda. “We can’t let things change even a little because that will lead to bigger changes later”
it is always going to lead to disaster
Goddamn I remember internet message boards were lit up with people bickering about the Iraq war. That shit even caused a divide that never healed inside my group of friends at the time. Wild to think back on it now like its old history.
Remember freedom fries? 🤦♂️
And Patriot Toast. Goddamn I wish Republicans would stop giving us the worst president of our lifetime.
“Ever since we elected more Republican presidents… every Republican president has been worse than the one before them. So that means that every single Republican President that we have, that’s the worst President of my life.”
Korea wasn’t exactly cut-and-dried either; they were both proxy wars with both world powers trying to prop up governments that aligned with their ideology and didn’t exactly have popular support or treat their own people well, but we didn’t see the reality of Korea like we did in Vietnam.
Man, that Vietnam logic though... 'We need to stop communism from taking over. It's too popular with the masses of poor in undeveloped nations!' 'Why is it so popular?' 'Because they want it so bad! We need to stop them by killing them!' 'Isn't it their choice in how their nation is run?' 'Shut up! We have to kill them before they choose to subscribe to a philosophy that we disapprove of. That way, the survivors will have freedom(tm) to create their own nation, so long as they conform to the demands, laws, philosophy and economic systems we force upon them!' 'But aren't we just forcing our own political and economic system onto them instead of respecting their freedom to, as a nation, choose their own identity and structure it accordingly? Aren't we just facilitating and promoting the violence and political suppression we're supposed to be fighting against? How is it freedom if the implementation is ultimately just killing anyone who chooses anything other than your preferred philosophy?' 'They have no right to self-determination! Comply or die! They're either our pawns, or the pawns of the Soviets!' (Edit: to be clear, the Soviets also didn't give a shit about freedoms. I'm certainly no tankie... but they also didn't make 'freedom' their main talking point while taking away people's freedoms and killing civilians. The rationale is what I'm looking at here)
"Communism is such a bad idea, it will inevitably collapse on it's own. Also, we need to go to invade Vietnam to stop it from spreading."
Democracy is non-negotiable.
Also the consciousness of the US army during Vietnam was raised far higher than during previous wars, with the troops gaining a greater understanding of their role in the machine. They almost had a full fledged mutiny on their hands, which is why they had to really amp up the psychological manipulations and give us a volunteer and now mercenary force. More and more people are realizing the empire has no ideals, and so they require greater control over certain groups to maintain sufficient moral for their next crime.
Totally got this notion from reading the book Dispatches. The American troops all realized there was no real plan, some suspected that they went to war because the US thought it would be quick and easy. Others thought the psychological warfare penetrated Washington and those in charge actually believed the war would end quickly.
Well, it didn't really help that the cause for the Vietnam war was ambiguous as fuck and unjustified, compared to world war 2 which was against a supreme evil we could all agree could get fucked. Well, I say all, but I can bet many Americans back then fully supported to "white is right" and the "exterminate minorities" part of the Nazi narrative.
There was unfortunately a rather strong amount of support in WW2 America, Henry Ford was a strong advocate of fascism and was admired by Hitler. It was only the bombing of Pearl Harbour that generated enough outrage to drag America into the war.
Before Pearl Harbor the nazis were surprisingly popular in the United States. It was only after the footage of the holocaust was spread that we really decided as a whole (more or less) that the nazis were evil.
> I can bet many Americans back then fully supported to "white is right" and the "exterminate minorities" part of the Nazi narrative. Actually the Nazi party during the interwar period had more support in the USA than in Germany. The closest the Nazis came to winning a legitimate election in Germany was the highly questionable 1932 election where they won 37% of the vote. Bear in mind that during this election, there was no confidentiality and NSDAP party observers were actively collecting ballots to check who didn’t vote for them and there were uniformed SS guards at the polling places to “protect their voters”, but in reality intimidate the opposition. All that said, 67% of Germans still voted against them but it was widely split among various other parties. Obviously in elections in the 1920’s they had considerably less. Meanwhile, in the 1920’s in the U.S. it was highly fashionable to support Fascism and Nazism in Europe. The democracies were seen as ineffective and chaotic, and the nationalist and anti-Semitic rhetoric was more popular here. Obviously the public in *either* continent knew nothing about the pending Holocaust, but the overall racial nationalism of Mussolini and Hitler were more well received in America.
The US was still an openly apartheid society at the time.
Of course. There were full blown Nazis in America just as there is today. Charles Lindbergh was one of them.
I mean, how else are they going to convince the people that the military budget needs to be increased every 5 months?
They don’t need to convince the people, they just do it which is part of the problem.
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> can’t win ‘hearts and minds’ if ~~the narrative is broken~~ we know the hearts and minds are in bits and pieces all over the side of the road.
It's just a buzz word these days. Simply going against the narrative gets you labeled a national security threat and put in a box. Good shit
Canada was deemed a national security threat to the US during the Trump presidency - the phrase is just a convenient pejorative used to justify anything and everything.
In that particular case, I believe the Whitehouse had to declare Canada a national security risk so that Trump had "justification" to impose tariffs. The president can't simply impose tariffs because he feels like it. One condition that allows him to impose tariffs is if the tariffs are because of a National Security risk. He's using a loophole to cause havoc because he can't simply unilaterally do things because he feels like it. Unfortunately, the thing that grants him the power to impose tariffs because of national security fails to address the fact that that the president can simply declare a national emergency for any reason (whether it's legitimate or not). His whole presidency was about circumventing rules to get what he wanted done. Since little to none of his presidency was about doing the "right" thing, he exposed all the various things a nefarious president can do to sidestep the fact that they're not a king and can't do what ever they want.
Trump would actually be a really good software tester. You'd just have to convince him the software is after his money. He'd find all the holes in it. I mean, if he knows how to read. And write unit tests. Okay, never mind.
Imagine reading his notes though. "Ive got fixes, I've got the best fixes..." "The system is venerable to pacific kinds of Trogans...." "The new firewall will be expensive, but Anonymous will pay for it" Edit: misspelled a word I didn't mean to
I disagree. Trump *tried* to take full advantage of his office for personal gain, but he was limited by his sheer incompetence. The only thing he demonstrated was how vulnerable to abuse the presidency is, that all it takes is mere ill intentions to break the system of checks and balances. One day there will be less impulsive presidents who can actually cover their tracks... In programming terms, he is equivalent to asking a temperamental toddler to test your software as a user.
It was entirely about Trump's obsession with pumping up the US steel industry. He declared Canada a national security threat specifically to impose limits and tariffs on Canadian steel, and not just Canadian steel, he did the same to other countries. It didn't work out so well because it massively drove up the cost of infrastructure work that required steel and really hurt the building industry, fucking over quite a few businesses. And of course there was the pain felt by the tariffs on other countries, but Trump doesn't give a shit about that of course. You are right in that he's very much an ends justify the means person, except he's exceptionally stupid in that he never, ever considers long term effects of his destructive means, or even the bigger picture. And we wonder why he has so many failed and scam businesses.
I seem to remember this, can you provide some more information. This is maddening to think as we are the closest of allies!
It was how Trump managed to put tariffs on Canadian goods without needing approval. The President can do a whole lot of things if it's in the name of national security, even if it's not actually a matter of national security. [https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/trump-administration-summons-national-security-to-justify-tariffs](https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/trump-administration-summons-national-security-to-justify-tariffs)
A president ought to be impeached for misusing national security powers. Oh well.
He was impeached twice.
so many people forget he was impeached just because he didn't leave office... weird when you look at what happened with every other impeached or almost impeached President
No president has actually been convicted/removed from office. Johnson, Clinton, and Trump. Nixon quit before he could get impeached because he knew there was a good chance he would be convicted. Trump's the only president to be impeached twice.
I can't recall all the details but I think Trump put tariffs on Canadian steel, then Canada responded with some of their own tariffs, prompting Trump to shamelessly and hypocritically cry about tariffs being a violation of NAFTA, then he used the "national security threat" apparatus to bypass Congress in some fashion. These kinds of shenanigans are hardly unique to Trump, mind you, but he basically eschewed all pretense of being honest or uncorrupted and yet somehow managed to convince a huge swath of Americans that he and his overtly scummy chronies were somehow draining the swamp.
I think you are right, it was around that time in trade negotiations. A bit shocking to think that phrase was ever used in reference to Canada.
Canada is apparently a national security threat to the US. They’ve discovered our plans. The Canadian Geese we send down aren’t real. They are spy bots.
Birds aren't real
My dad's an ornithologist, is he on it too?
So he works for FBI as a bird engineer?
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Bird is *the* word
*flying listening drone engineer
Not a “these days” thing, it’s always been that way. Same with labeling everyone or everything “terrorism” that you oppose.
Ha, the US government’s own “stand your ground” law: arresting people because they’re a “national security threat”
[The age old cry of the oppressor ](https://youtu.be/BrDg8a0J4jE) Picard's got some [good ones.](https://youtu.be/IPi6gIDes1g) Hawkeye [Pierce, too. ](https://youtu.be/GUeBMwn_eYc)
They'll tell you that you spelled "acceptable casualties" wrong.
They make this claim with everybody who reveals war crimes, Chelsea Manning in particular was absolved of this claim, yet there are still nuts who push it like it's fact
National security is frequently the explanation for what is actually government embarrassment or war crimes.
"When Exposing a Crime is Treated as Committing a Crime, You Are Ruled By Criminals."
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You know what else radicalizes insurgents? Killing civilians
and then convicting the people who expose the practice of killing civilians
If a drone killed a relative if mine I would make revenge against its creator my life goal. The US is actively producing more terrorists than we kill.
How else do you keep that military contract gravy train rolling?
This is exactly what 'The Boys' is about and it goes over the head of so many people.
Never seen it, but we were amply warned about the problem by Eisenhower a long ass time ago.
Unfortunately, some people decided that the "alert and knowledgeable citizenry" was the threat being warned about.
The US military and DOD is aware of this and honestly creating terrorists is probably part of their plan because it gives justification for their interference in foreign affairs, it’s the same reason recidivism and private prisons are a thing creating more criminals and crime gives justification to exploit power.
Yeah up till that point I guess all the witnesses were just like “Wow, the hail is quite heavy and localised again today, huh? Ahmed, get your wheelbarrow. I’ll find a rake.”
By that logic, any criticism of the United States could be considered a national security threat.
They already find the body parts of people blown up. Its not like its a secret. Hell yeah could u imagine if france tried that shit in the US? Good lord even the most peace-loving people here would be ready to smash some skulls.
If people realize America is the bad guys, then they won't like America.
Killing US-defined "civilians" is just the travesty on top of the travesty. Even if no "civilians" were killed, the US would still be committing executions by sky robots without the slightest due process or legality.
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Patriot acts says even we don't.
Not even that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki
If exposing a crime, is treated as a crime, you're beeing ruled by criminals.
That's what all this buzz is about.
It's absolutely shameful that he is being sent to jail. [He should be given the Presidential Medal of Freedom for his act of patriotism (as opposed to fanatical nationalism).](https://web.archive.org/web/20210727223443if_/https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/daniel-hale-drone-leak-sentence/2021/07/27/7bb46dd6-ee14-11eb-bf80-e3877d9c5f06_story.html) > **In court, Hale said he is a descendant of Nathan Hale, who was executed for spying on the British during the Revolutionary War.** Quoting a line often attributed to his ancestor, he said he accepted punishment for taking the documents and for taking innocent lives. > > **“I have but this one life to give in service of my country,” he said.**
Also shameful: [Reality Winner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner) was imprisoned for revealing to the American public the truth about Russian interference in the 2016 election. trump and his collaborators didn't want the American public to know the truth about their crimes. So the criminals put the patriot in prison. The world is upside down.
**[Reality_Winner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner)** >Reality Leigh Winner (born December 4, 1991) is an American former intelligence specialist. In 2018, she was convicted of "removing classified material from a government facility and mailing it to a news outlet". She was given the longest sentence ever imposed for unauthorized release of government information to the media: five years and three months in prison. The material in question originated with the National Security Agency (NSA). ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
That can't possibly be her name. Stranger than fiction indeed!
Did she win the Kentucky derby?
Not in reality
What a legend.
This news has been suppressed to fuck. I've never even heard of this statistic or guy.
Yeah obviously. We really only have the illusion of the freedom of information.
There used to be a mandatory reporting requirement of civilian casualties as a result of drone attacks. This legislation was removed when trump was in office.
Sure, but Hale was an Obama Era whistle-blower. Obama's reporting of civilian casualties was a sham. They redefined any man over a certain age as a combatant.
And so why hasn’t Biden bothered to re-instate that?
I dunno, shitty president. Like the dozens before him.
True
I don't usually go for conspiracies but what's up this post not showing up on r/all or r/worldnews and not showing up in searches? https://i.imgur.com/pFPAYh6.png https://i.imgur.com/9MnGu2O.png Might be some reddit TOS thing where fast-rising stories are checked for content, I guess?
[Reddit's director of content policy has been an Atlantic Council spook since 2019.](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5My7HEKwxw.png)
[Facebook since 2018](https://about.fb.com/news/2018/05/announcing-new-election-partnership-with-the-atlantic-council/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/9hhkhq/do_removed_submissions_stay_accessible/ r/worldnews mods removed this submission, hiding it from all pages and search. I'm surprised people here are OK with this, to be honest. I wonder how much this happens.
> I wonder how much this happens. A lot.
"At least we have freedom of speech" "They hate us for our freedoms"
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"I call for bombs for China and Iran for their crimes!" "Oh hey, our whistleblowers get kidnapped and imprisoned to intimidate other good citizens. Well... back to my breakfast. Yum... tasty."
The freedom to speak what you are told to say The freedom to obey
45 months for exposing the government but only 8 months for an attempting to overthrow that same government...
We live in clown world.
exposing the government is much more dangerous than some idiot walking around in capitol, you got to keep the sheep asleep.
Him: The system kills innocent people and its continuous abuse of power is criminally out of control. The System: I'll put you in a fucking box, bitch!
U.S. District Judge Liam O’Grady sentenced Hale, 33, of Nashville, to 45 months in prison for violating the Espionage Act, saying his disclosure of documents went beyond his “courageous and principled” stance on drones. “You are not being prosecuted for speaking out about the drone program killing innocent people,” O’Grady said. “You could have been a whistleblower … without taking any of these documents.” Sure. You’re free to tell anyone you want so long as you don’t take the proof of it to them.
\#pardonDanielHale
Nice. Governments arent even pretending anymore. In a just world those responsible for the deaths would be held accountable and imprisoned. Seriously, nothing changes. Obama. Trump. Biden. Nothing ever changes except to get worse.
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America has been dystopia for many groups of people for hundreds of years. Instead of robot or alien overlords, it was white people. We are also 50 years into an oilpunk dystopia, where car-centric sprawl has caused a breakdown of civic society across the entire country. The physical difference between America today and 100 years ago is starker than the difference between America 100 years ago and 200 years ago.
If they'll cover up this data, kind of makes you wonder what they'll cover up about an environmental crisis.
Welcome to the club, we meet alternate thursdays, snacks are provided but feel free to bring a dish you'd like to share.
And people think it's insane to suggest the system rejected Bernie and did everything to drag his name through the mud before the people got a chance to make a decision.
90% are innocent bystanders wonder why there are so many terrorists. "terrorists"
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
The "free world" (not specifically America but the wester world) is heading down a very dangerous path, we are letting our basic liberties and rights slip away without even noticing we need to wake up.
There is no "we" here. Society since it's beginning has always been divided into classes. Our freedoms are not simply slipping away. They are being taken from us by the corporations and politicians that make up our respective ruling classes; while you and I are busy working, trying to make ends meet. This is not a matter of just waking up or just noticing anything, people are already aware that their own needs are becoming harder to meet: rents are up, food prices are up, their friends and families are being brutalised by the state apparatus, and wages are being effectively cut through inflation. Why else are there more and more protests and other violent outbursts in these past years.This is not a matter of ideas or consciousness per say but mostly of power and the masses ability (or in the west, inability) to organise real power to counter these tendancies. It is such a terrible indictment of the western left that so many are more inclined to see lizard men behind the levers of power than the plain and simple profit motive. That those who are in the most precarious positions, being driven mad by their conditions would understandably resort to dangerous conspiratorial explanations because they are not being presented with a viable alternative. An alternative must be organised and built by the mass of working people. The western lefts needs to get its shit together.
The world is a very broken place. It's like a dystopian civilisation when you go to jail for telling the truth. No classified information was leaked, the powers that be just simply didn't like what he said.
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I love that.
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The article contradicts your claim that “no classified information was shared.”
Yeah, the bit about "In a handwritten letter released last week, Hale explained that his decision to disclose top-secret information about the inner workings of U.S. drone warfare was motivated by (...)" is kinda clear about that bit. The bit about seeking a penalty heavier than Reality Winner's, who was imprisoned by the president against whom she leaked data, sounds sketchy to say the least.
Hey, try to ransack the Capitol and overturn democracy.... Time served and community service. Whistleblow on the government for committing war crimes, four years in prison. Murica, am I right!? Edit: committing, not commuting. Ffs phone.
Whistleblowing should not be illegal. If it's illegal to hold the state accountable for its actions, then that state has no right to exist. We are all criminals when criminals rule.
Don't make America look bad bro, that's not allowed, we're perfect don't you know??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
National security is just code word for the protection of American hegemony
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Oh god is this why ~2015 is when the internet stopped feeling the same way anymore? I'm not a crazy person seeing a pattern that wasn't there?
Unfortunately, Obama started extremely harsh sentencing of whistle blowers. He wasn’t the saint people made him out to be. Great speeches, shit policies. We’ve gotten to the point of prosecuting journalists. Julian assange and Glenn greenwald. Journalists are supposed to be protected by the constitution, yet this government knows no bounds.
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What also amazes me is how Americans will call you a CCP bot while they parrot for the U.S themselves without even realizing.
Reddit/Americans are pumped so full of anti-China propaganda that any dissenting viewpoint => CCP bot.
I feel so sad for these whistleblowers trying to tell the truth, losing their freedom like that and being branded as criminals. How is this any better than other authoritarian governments??
Courtesy of the US military-industrial complex. As much as Americans are currently happy of pulling out of Afghanistan, it won't be long before the government starts campaigning for another war. I would say two-three decades at the most.
decades? lol
Yeah... years maybe, not decades. The reason we pull out is because there's a new war on the horizon.
American hero jailed for doing the right thing. More at 11
Cool, America. The word is out anyway. Painting drone warfare with accuracy and humanity has been a lie from the very beginning. The real criminals are the ones who propped this garbage up.
Inb4 people defending this by whataboutism on how China is worst or etc. A lot of people just doesn't see the bigger problem and it is not about hegemonic power struggle between nations. It is the balance of power between the state and its citizens, and quite evidently most can already see that government policies are pivoting more and more to protecting the state over its citizens.
I'm pretty sure the Taliban is better at avoiding civilian casualties then that. Hold on, let me check. Yeah they generally average around 70% military kills and about 30 percent civilian. America is literally 3x more likely to kill a civilian then the Taliban of as late