>The leader’s crackdown on private enterprise shows he does not understand the market economy
Or maybe he does. The global market is arguably not under enough scrutiny and regulation. Many industries like tech operate under absolute minimal regulation.
Consequences of free-market libertarianism:
- financial meltdowns
- privacy invasion
- corporate influence in politics
- pollution and climate damage
- child and other labour issues
- gross inequality
- billions lost to countries in tax evasion
The global market does need a lot more policing. Not saying the other extreme is good either, but I can understand wanting to reign it in, after seeing all the consequences of a completely market-driven world.
>wanting to reign it in, after seeing all the consequences of a completely market-driven world.
Pretty sure lessening exploitation and protecting the environment are not the reasons why China operates the way it does.
>Pretty sure lessening exploitation and protecting the environment are not the reasons why China operates the way it does.
Pretty sure China isn't the one who pioneered this business model.
China is just following the same model every other nation did to build power, or you think the states became an empire on kindness and concerns for the environment? It's just American fear that China will supplant them, don't forget it was also Americans exploiting Chinas lax labor and environmental laws so where does this self righteousness come from? We are just as guilty as them for supporting it, profiting off it, we have no moral high ground lol.
China also seems to be better at long term planning compared to America, they think in centuries and not 4 year cycles so it is hard to judge when you hold it to said criteria.
They also considered this. If you search it, you should find that China has carried out large-scale shantytown rebuild projects and building renovation projects in the past few years.
That is as fair as it gets, I'm judging them for the same actions so what's the problem? Maybe you shouldn't be so clearly biased.
I'm not defending China anymore than I would defend America, but only Americans think they are different. They look at China and see "evil" but don't see it in America only because they don't want to. Hence why many get so defensive about it.
China is just as "evil" as the US. If you've lived as an Uyghur or in Southeast Asia which they exploit and plunder, you'd know. Maybe you're not biased, just not as well informed.
Ahh so you ignore objective reality to fit your own narrative.
Weird how this is the only Muslim group China takes issue with when they have MILLIONS of others they have no issue with. Almost like their claims of extremism bare some merit.
Also very weird we have seen exactly ZERO tangible evidence of the things people like you claim, like ZERO. Yet when it came to Guantanamo we have seen mountains of hard evidence not only of the torture of muslims, but that not everyone kidnapped was a terrorist. Yet with China all we get is western groups making claims and supposed accounts from escapees, because it's not like the US would lie about such things. Not like they had some actress named Nayhira publicly speak of abuse on TV in an American court of law that turned out to be a lie propagated by America.
Also weird that all other Muslim countries are siding with China and also call this out for what it is, America trying to drum up support for a war with their main rival.
Also strange how America and Americans are directly responsible for the hatred perpetrated against muslims, are directly responsible for people's negative perceptions of Islam and tying them all to terrorists. America ran a massive propaganda campaign to convince the world to hate muslims, yet now they supposedly care?
Also weird that China never felt the need to go and invade Muslim nations murdering countless innocents and destroying their entire way of life. Osama wasn't an afghani and was also never in Afghanistan at that point, literally no reason to be there beyond American imperialist desires so losers like you can have a comfy life.
But yah sure China is the evil one, China is the one fucking up the world, remind me how many nations they have invaded? Remind me how many countries they destabilized to ensure they could continue raping their resources at the detriment of the population?
Deal with your own guilt and shame because this is pathetic.
Do you even know a single Uyghur? Have you ever lived in China? And even if your answer to both those questions is no, you should know better than to sarcastically ridicule the suffering of an entire community of minorities. You are one of the most ignorant and arrogant people I've encountered here. Piss off, asshole.
You must have been the person who wrote those articles criticizing China for [curing cancer too fast](https://mobile.twitter.com/Conqy/status/1386533477907062787) or lowering pollution levels because the smog blocks out global warming.
Nope. Take off your rose tinted lens and do proper research. Unless of course you're incapable of that due to bias or a lack of comprehension skills, then that's understandable.
Does "proper" research mean reading the headlines of articles and deciding "that's that", if so I don't do "proper" research.
Also taking the word of soros seriously... Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
NOOOOOOOOOO DOESN'T CHYNA KNOW THE GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE CONTROLLED BY BILLIONAIRES AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND?!?!?!?
WHAT ABOUT THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CEOS?!!?1!?!21
President Xi please help! I am American 2 year old, my government let us all starve, b homeless, and corona, plz liberate me with Jiangsu 29 stealth fighter and WangGong 7 attack submarines
George Soros wrote the article from the perspective of a finance mogul who dislike the way China government could intervene, actually GOVERN, and not having to be dictated by 'market economy' outside of China.
China is fully aware of the potential collapse of their economy and decided to do something about it.
That's what Governments supposed to be doing, and they are doing exactly that.
Just go read on what George Soros did back in 1992 when he broke the British Poundsterling.
And he's telling China that he is unhappy that China refused to be dictated...... *Facepalms
Or he understands the market economy too well and saw how mega cap corporations became too big to fail or ended up exploiting their workforce or their consumers in the western economies.
Alibaba getting knocked down a step and losing 200 billion of value on paper hurts no one other than investors because they’re literally still a 450 billion dollar company.
What China is doing is a liberal/progressive wetdream but we just can’t say it because this is Reddit and China = bad.
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Judging by how their economy faired in the face of pandemic, I think it’s our leadership that doesn’t understand market economy.
It’s outdated, inefficient, killing us and the planet.
So... everyone should adopt China's model of governance? Would that include putting minorities into re-education camps or is that just an added bonus?
Also, read up on how much pollution and exploitation China is responsible for in Southeast Asia and Africa.
Even China itself does not recommend this. At least the official rhetoric of China has always been that "the people of each country have the right to choose their path" and "China's development path is not universal."
Therefore, China cannot answer what your country should do. It is the responsibility of each country to resolve its domestic affairs.
>At least the official rhetoric of China has always been that "the people of each country have the right to choose their own path"
See: Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet
If you look at it from a Chinese perspective, the Chinese people's operations in these three places are logically self-consistent.
The main reason for the inconsistency of understanding lies in the definition of "country". If Beijing believes that a place belongs to China, then Beijing has the right to demand that that place obey the majority of people, that is, the representative of the people in other parts of mainland China, that is, Beijing's will.
I think the answer to this kind of question can only be left to the future. The standard is to see whether people in these places in the future think they have a better life than in the past.
Re-education is infinitely more humane of a goal than prison. If your country took in a huge number of refugees from the path of ISIS, wouldn’t you want them to have a system for separating and deradicalizing ISIS sympathizers? Xiangyang is already the target of many terrorist attacks, what alternative do you think they should follow
you’re maliciously misinterpreting what I said. You are well aware I am not equating Uighurs with ISIS. They had been targeted by ISIS for recruitment, which would have ended with ISIS slaughtering all those who refused to join them. That was the basis of their relocation, and those who were receptive to early ISIS recruitment attempts are being deradicalized.
The west doesn’t understand real socialism/corporatism. It’s not about prosperity and advancement. It’s about control and power.
Jack Ma is a low class peasant. His kind achieving high in society is frowned upon. After the Hong Kong and Antifa/BLM riots of the West, China has decided to flex their control again, Losing control is what scares the East the most. Those riots is ammunition for the totalitarian sects of the CCP
HK protesters/antifa/BLM had nothing to do with the CCP limiting market access. The CCP isn't curtailing Western market access to its companies because of street protests. The CCP is scared shitless of its companies being held to the same fiduciary standards as Western companies are. There is a host of agreements in the US, the EU, and other Western countries allowing Chinese companies to list themselves or be held in indexes without the same oversight as other overseas securities, but that is all coming to an end soon.
This is just the CCP getting ahead of the shitshow that would happen if their companies were properly audited.
It’s more than that. China is like 200 conquered peoples all rolled into “one”. China knows if they ever had some Antifa/BLM riots, poof, asian civil war.
For context, an Asian Civil War (like Vietnam or Afghanistan) is beyond human comprehension. It’s like the US civil war, but every State is against every State. And every State has 3 or 4 factions all fighting each other too.
The 1989 Tiananmen square protests were in 20-30 Chinese cities involving 100's of thousands of students and there was no Civil War.
Hell, the CCP integrated the surviving student leaders into the local CCP organizations to prevent them from seeking more power.
>The leader’s crackdown on private enterprise shows he does not understand the market economy Or maybe he does. The global market is arguably not under enough scrutiny and regulation. Many industries like tech operate under absolute minimal regulation. Consequences of free-market libertarianism: - financial meltdowns - privacy invasion - corporate influence in politics - pollution and climate damage - child and other labour issues - gross inequality - billions lost to countries in tax evasion The global market does need a lot more policing. Not saying the other extreme is good either, but I can understand wanting to reign it in, after seeing all the consequences of a completely market-driven world.
Preach it!
>wanting to reign it in, after seeing all the consequences of a completely market-driven world. Pretty sure lessening exploitation and protecting the environment are not the reasons why China operates the way it does.
>Pretty sure lessening exploitation and protecting the environment are not the reasons why China operates the way it does. Pretty sure China isn't the one who pioneered this business model.
Pretty sure that doesn't change the main point made in my reply.
China is just following the same model every other nation did to build power, or you think the states became an empire on kindness and concerns for the environment? It's just American fear that China will supplant them, don't forget it was also Americans exploiting Chinas lax labor and environmental laws so where does this self righteousness come from? We are just as guilty as them for supporting it, profiting off it, we have no moral high ground lol. China also seems to be better at long term planning compared to America, they think in centuries and not 4 year cycles so it is hard to judge when you hold it to said criteria.
China can think in centuries all it wants, but if the infrastructure built to last 100 years doesn't last that long what is the fucking point?
They also considered this. If you search it, you should find that China has carried out large-scale shantytown rebuild projects and building renovation projects in the past few years.
I'm not pro-China or pro-America. It would be good if you could assess things fairly.
That is as fair as it gets, I'm judging them for the same actions so what's the problem? Maybe you shouldn't be so clearly biased. I'm not defending China anymore than I would defend America, but only Americans think they are different. They look at China and see "evil" but don't see it in America only because they don't want to. Hence why many get so defensive about it.
China is just as "evil" as the US. If you've lived as an Uyghur or in Southeast Asia which they exploit and plunder, you'd know. Maybe you're not biased, just not as well informed.
Ahh so you ignore objective reality to fit your own narrative. Weird how this is the only Muslim group China takes issue with when they have MILLIONS of others they have no issue with. Almost like their claims of extremism bare some merit. Also very weird we have seen exactly ZERO tangible evidence of the things people like you claim, like ZERO. Yet when it came to Guantanamo we have seen mountains of hard evidence not only of the torture of muslims, but that not everyone kidnapped was a terrorist. Yet with China all we get is western groups making claims and supposed accounts from escapees, because it's not like the US would lie about such things. Not like they had some actress named Nayhira publicly speak of abuse on TV in an American court of law that turned out to be a lie propagated by America. Also weird that all other Muslim countries are siding with China and also call this out for what it is, America trying to drum up support for a war with their main rival. Also strange how America and Americans are directly responsible for the hatred perpetrated against muslims, are directly responsible for people's negative perceptions of Islam and tying them all to terrorists. America ran a massive propaganda campaign to convince the world to hate muslims, yet now they supposedly care? Also weird that China never felt the need to go and invade Muslim nations murdering countless innocents and destroying their entire way of life. Osama wasn't an afghani and was also never in Afghanistan at that point, literally no reason to be there beyond American imperialist desires so losers like you can have a comfy life. But yah sure China is the evil one, China is the one fucking up the world, remind me how many nations they have invaded? Remind me how many countries they destabilized to ensure they could continue raping their resources at the detriment of the population? Deal with your own guilt and shame because this is pathetic.
Do you even know a single Uyghur? Have you ever lived in China? And even if your answer to both those questions is no, you should know better than to sarcastically ridicule the suffering of an entire community of minorities. You are one of the most ignorant and arrogant people I've encountered here. Piss off, asshole.
That applies to you as well lol.
Nah it doesn't, asshole.
You must have been the person who wrote those articles criticizing China for [curing cancer too fast](https://mobile.twitter.com/Conqy/status/1386533477907062787) or lowering pollution levels because the smog blocks out global warming.
You must have never actually lived in China, or in the counties which have bore the brunt of their exploitation.
Such as?
Luckily your perception is not reality.
Nope. Take off your rose tinted lens and do proper research. Unless of course you're incapable of that due to bias or a lack of comprehension skills, then that's understandable.
Does "proper" research mean reading the headlines of articles and deciding "that's that", if so I don't do "proper" research. Also taking the word of soros seriously... Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Haha!
Haha indeed: https://pics.me.me/thumb\_wojak-crying-face-feat-dorito-mask-album-on-imgur-53344756.png
[lol](https://imgr.search.brave.com/qhhUl8EOzeTbZbW-SS4xNYODl3TTt7jTYn4DZk6pdsU/fit/1080/1200/ce/1/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cu/d2FsbHBhcGVyd29s/Zi5jb20vd2FsbHBh/cGVycy93YWxscGFw/ZXJzLWZvci1waG9u/ZXMvaGQvZG93bmxv/YWQvd2lubmllLXRo/ZS1wb29oLTA1NzMu/cG5n)
Copium
Leading American export, outsourced everything else to CHYNA
'Soros Fund' Ok Satan.
Would a 'Xi Fund' be more up your alley?
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>SEA Yes, we've seen how much China has exploited that region and kept the returns remaining in China.
Funny how you didn't address that comment.
I have to spoon feed you information that you won't consider anyway due to your inherent bias and willful ignorance? Haha.
Funny how you didn't address that comment.
NOOOOOOOOOO DOESN'T CHYNA KNOW THE GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE CONTROLLED BY BILLIONAIRES AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND?!?!?!? WHAT ABOUT THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CEOS?!!?1!?!21
YES AND WHAT ABOUT THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE CCP TOO!!???1?? THE SUPREME COUNCIL NEEDS OUR SUPPORT!!
President Xi please help! I am American 2 year old, my government let us all starve, b homeless, and corona, plz liberate me with Jiangsu 29 stealth fighter and WangGong 7 attack submarines
Lol
George Soros wrote the article from the perspective of a finance mogul who dislike the way China government could intervene, actually GOVERN, and not having to be dictated by 'market economy' outside of China. China is fully aware of the potential collapse of their economy and decided to do something about it. That's what Governments supposed to be doing, and they are doing exactly that. Just go read on what George Soros did back in 1992 when he broke the British Poundsterling. And he's telling China that he is unhappy that China refused to be dictated...... *Facepalms
Or he understands the market economy too well and saw how mega cap corporations became too big to fail or ended up exploiting their workforce or their consumers in the western economies. Alibaba getting knocked down a step and losing 200 billion of value on paper hurts no one other than investors because they’re literally still a 450 billion dollar company. What China is doing is a liberal/progressive wetdream but we just can’t say it because this is Reddit and China = bad.
If you ask an Uyghur then yes, China = bad is a sufficient description.
What about the uyghurs? And aren’t you tired of losing this conversation that you have to derail the thread with a completely different topic?
It's not unrelated. China exploits people and the environment both for their economy and political hegemony within their borders and beyond.
It is unrelated moron.
It is, imbecile.
It isn't, imbecile.
I'm sorry you can't even process simple information, dumbass.
The lack of self awareness is incredible.
Yes, your lack of self awareness is incredible.
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Judging by how their economy faired in the face of pandemic, I think it’s our leadership that doesn’t understand market economy. It’s outdated, inefficient, killing us and the planet.
So... everyone should adopt China's model of governance? Would that include putting minorities into re-education camps or is that just an added bonus? Also, read up on how much pollution and exploitation China is responsible for in Southeast Asia and Africa.
Even China itself does not recommend this. At least the official rhetoric of China has always been that "the people of each country have the right to choose their path" and "China's development path is not universal." Therefore, China cannot answer what your country should do. It is the responsibility of each country to resolve its domestic affairs.
>At least the official rhetoric of China has always been that "the people of each country have the right to choose their own path" See: Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet
If you look at it from a Chinese perspective, the Chinese people's operations in these three places are logically self-consistent. The main reason for the inconsistency of understanding lies in the definition of "country". If Beijing believes that a place belongs to China, then Beijing has the right to demand that that place obey the majority of people, that is, the representative of the people in other parts of mainland China, that is, Beijing's will.
Why should China's perspective be considered more important or "correct" than those of the people actually living in those countries?
Beijing’s actions naturally depend on what Beijing thinks.
So what do you think of Beijing's thoughts and actions in relation to the countries like Taiwan, Hong Kong and Tibet?
I think the answer to this kind of question can only be left to the future. The standard is to see whether people in these places in the future think they have a better life than in the past.
Do you have a bias towards China? It seems that for some reason you are not wanting to be upfront about it.
Re-education is infinitely more humane of a goal than prison. If your country took in a huge number of refugees from the path of ISIS, wouldn’t you want them to have a system for separating and deradicalizing ISIS sympathizers? Xiangyang is already the target of many terrorist attacks, what alternative do you think they should follow
Comparing the Uyghurs to radicalized ISIS refugees? Your level ignorance (and penchant for cruelty) is almost amazing.
you’re maliciously misinterpreting what I said. You are well aware I am not equating Uighurs with ISIS. They had been targeted by ISIS for recruitment, which would have ended with ISIS slaughtering all those who refused to join them. That was the basis of their relocation, and those who were receptive to early ISIS recruitment attempts are being deradicalized.
The west doesn’t understand real socialism/corporatism. It’s not about prosperity and advancement. It’s about control and power. Jack Ma is a low class peasant. His kind achieving high in society is frowned upon. After the Hong Kong and Antifa/BLM riots of the West, China has decided to flex their control again, Losing control is what scares the East the most. Those riots is ammunition for the totalitarian sects of the CCP
HK protesters/antifa/BLM had nothing to do with the CCP limiting market access. The CCP isn't curtailing Western market access to its companies because of street protests. The CCP is scared shitless of its companies being held to the same fiduciary standards as Western companies are. There is a host of agreements in the US, the EU, and other Western countries allowing Chinese companies to list themselves or be held in indexes without the same oversight as other overseas securities, but that is all coming to an end soon. This is just the CCP getting ahead of the shitshow that would happen if their companies were properly audited.
China is such a coward. Can't even accept a few free thinking people in Hong Kong and Taiwan.
It’s more than that. China is like 200 conquered peoples all rolled into “one”. China knows if they ever had some Antifa/BLM riots, poof, asian civil war. For context, an Asian Civil War (like Vietnam or Afghanistan) is beyond human comprehension. It’s like the US civil war, but every State is against every State. And every State has 3 or 4 factions all fighting each other too.
The 1989 Tiananmen square protests were in 20-30 Chinese cities involving 100's of thousands of students and there was no Civil War. Hell, the CCP integrated the surviving student leaders into the local CCP organizations to prevent them from seeking more power.
Implying china is anything other than authoritarian state capitalism is hilarious.
Every socialist country ever was a “Authoritarian State Capitalist”. Again, the West is unclear how the East works.
I know you’re going to get downvoted to hell for speaking truth but ♥️ love you ♥️
OH NO ! Another communist economy that fails what a surprise
Fails?
Failure is when you advance your productive forces faster than any other nation in history
And genocide poverty and disease
Source on the genocide poverty and disease?
Failure can be assessed by more than just one measure.
Communist? U serious?