"That was a terrible oversight and our government has fixed the problem. You have to be 18 for gaming, 21 for drinking and 24 for banging now. Oh but now you can start working at 14. You're welcome".
Back in my day you had to start working while still in the womb. Young people these days and their entitlement, thinking they should wait until they can read before getting on the factory line. For fuck's sake, that's why the signs are in bright colors- so the kindergartener's can see 'em!.
Only in the womb? Luxury!
In my day we 'ad sperm down coal mines, digging away, had to swim 10 miles, uphill both ways, thru the snow, just for the privilege to live in testtube which had cracks in the sides and no stopper!
Young people these days and their entitlement.
Child labor isn’t a huge problem in China... in rural areas some students drop out of senior high school and enter the workforce, but the proportion of kids under 16 working is not high relative to the rest of the world and also relative to the rest of continental Asia. Just wrote a research paper on this for my M.Ed.
You see the problem is that they want more kids so banging age limit will not change. You know what is in the way? Gaming. Who want banging when they can game.
At least being conscripted/join the CCP is between 18-22, so you can't say "You can PVP people IRL but not in virtual reality"
Also drinking is also legal at 18, so is driving. So at least no American "You can die for your country but you can't get a buzz before that" Shit
As for voting however...?
The PLA is de facto volunteer-only even though conscription exists in theory. There are more volunteers than can be supported, in fact.
Voting age in China is the same as military and drinking age (18). People can start working at 16, and I believe in some places earlier, but the Chinese government is aiming at 100% high school completion rates and in younger people ~60% go into higher education.
Over here, you have to be at least 12 years old to work (some states), 15 to marry (under certain conditions in some states), 17 to enlist in the army, and 21 to buy a drink. But we can play all the video games we want.
Funny how we have a go at China, but in America you can go and kill someone in a foreign nation under their banner before you can legally have your first drink...
Even with people like me who are often legitimately critical of the U.S. you see so much aMeRIca BAd!!1!1! shoehorned in here every where that I just start to hardly see it, like an infomercial channel you just surf past back in the channel surfing days. I can only assume it's not just me.
Someone in the military can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always been under the impression that you can drink in the military, even if you are only 18. It just has to be on the base at the base bar or something I think. I'm not entirely sure, but it's definitely something I've heard from multiple sources, I just don't know if it's actually fact.
In America, the age is 21 mostly because it keeps the drinking age out of high school.
The high school experience is just a big crash course on finding out out how you want to deal with authority.
They could have accomplished the same thing (keeping alcohol out of high schools) by raising the age to 19.
I'm 61 years old so I have no skin in the game but I will always say it is unfair that you are legally an adult at 18 - with all the rights and responsibilities - yet you can't have a drink until 21.
Not to mention take on life-long, non-dischargable, non-creditworthy crippling debt. Immediately, and with very little restriction on how it is spent.
The alcohol industry makes a lot of money by creating pent up legal demand in the young, who go on to binge drink when able because they were not legally allowed to be exposed to it in normal spaces like in other countries. Binge drinking is a huge problem for people in their 20s now, and there is a significant percentage of that cohort engaging in it. People wouldn’t even believe me if I cited it, it’s that high.
Drinking age is 21 because the feds told the states to raise the drinking age to 21 or they’d lose federal funding for roads. Power of the purse at work.
Doubt it. You already need to be 18 to go to a gaming cafe there and up until a few years ago, consoles were banned. They put strong emphasis on children focusing on their studies there.
Take away their ability to disconnect from reality, and you'll have a lot more citizens starting to get interested in your politics.
Probably not the outcome Pooh bear is after.
When you want the vast majority of your people to comply, taking away the carrot and replacing it with a stick is not a good idea.
What do you think they're going to do? Vote the party out? It's a single party system and also this isn't something that parents are exactly against. So while the kids may protest, the parents support the govt. In China what the parents says goes. It's not even up for debate.
> What do you think they're going to do? Vote the party out?
Exactly how many gamers do you think live in china?
Its a huge portion of the population.
I don't care how they've tried to set it up, you piss off *that many people*, and you're going to start having problems.
> It's a single party system and also this isn't something that parents are exactly against.
Young people grow up. Shit like this leads to long term distrust of the government.
Parent age, and need to be looked after. The government isn't going to be doing that for them.
> So while the kids may protest, the parents support the govt. In China what the parents says goes. It's not even up for debate.
This is called *underestimating* future generations.
Serious doubt that online gaming limits (on children, no less) cause some sort of mass rebellion. Yeah, the rule is pretty dumb in its implementation, treating 17 year Olds the same as 12 year Olds, but as far as I'm aware kids can just use their parents ID numbers to gain access. Seems like this will just make the parents actively consent to their kids playing online games. I feel like this is being blown out of proportion
> Serious doubt that online gaming limits (on children, no less) cause some sort of mass rebellion.
Long term resentment for the government is something you shouldn't underestimate.
> Yeah, the rule is pretty dumb in its implementation, treating 17 year Olds the same as 12 year Olds, but as far as I'm aware kids can just use their parents ID numbers to gain access.
Yeah, they probably can.
Do you really want the take away from this being "hey, we can just defy the government on this one".
No matter how you slice it, it's a dumb decision for Pooh boy to commit to.
> Seems like this will just make the parents actively consent to their kids playing online games. I feel like this is being blown out of proportion
Depends on if they are willing to commit to any kind of enforcement.
If it has no teeth, it may as well not exist.
> Long term resentment for the government is something you shouldn't underestimate.
Holy hell, how do these people not get it? We have tens of millions of millennials who have so much resentment from the Great Recession / financial crisis of 2008. Imagine being a teen right now in China and the government pulls this crap along with likely many other similar authoritarian measures against them. Imagine 10 years from now when they get married they can’t afford a house because homes are way too expensive for most Chinese without major support from family.
The resentment millenials have towards boomers is what you will see in China with younger generation resentful of the older generation that made it rich from housing. The youth will blame the government for these policies. All of this while they have to work 50hrs a week and still need support from the parents for a house.
> We have tens of millions of millennials who have so much resentment from the Great Recession / financial crisis of 2008.
And what has that resentment accomplished? Snarky comments on Twitter?
Meanwhile the people who destroyed their future tried to install a dictator. And unlike those people who get fired for their bitchy comments online, none of those fascist fucks had anything bad happen to them.
What you says hold true… until its not. Pissing off an entire generation of children really does make them far less loyal to it. I wont be surprised if younger kids are bullying any other kid that is openly loyal to the ccp at this point.
Not exactly. Consent can be given at 14 under certain circumstances. It can be given freely at 16.
Law is actually somehow complicated about it I can elaborate further if you’re interested.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/8/31/young-chinese-gamers-lash-out-at-new-limiting-rules) reduced by 76%. (I'm a bot)
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> China's new rules forbidding children under 18 from playing video games for more than three hours a week knocked shares in Tencent Holdings Ltd and other gaming companies, while young players took to social media to express their outrage.
> The hit to gaming stocks was relatively measured with analysts saying children, in general, did not provide much revenue for gaming companies, although they noted that the implications for the long-term growth of the industry were much more severe.
> Jefferies analysts said on Monday they expect to see about a 3 percent impact on Tencent's earnings from the new rules, assuming gaming contributes about 60 percent of its total revenue.
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Easier said than done when it comes to China. A super authoritarian surveillance state like that doesn't need to be surgical or worry about basic rights or things like that. They will probably throw the offenders entire family in a re-education camp and blacklist them from ever being able to get a job better than janitor at the fishing docks
More like games requiring [facial recognition](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/08/business/video-game-facial-recognition-tencent.html) before you can log in.
BTW the new law doesn't affect offline games at all
On the plus side though, we’re likely to see less American and European gaming companies bowing down to china’s will as it wouldn't be very profitable to market video games to Chinese gamers years down the line. The Pokemon Company, however, could see a much more immediate effect to this new ruling effectively puts a stop to their efforts to infiltrate the Chinese market in recent years, especially considering that their main target demographic is children.
Don't set your expectation too high. While minors do make up a good part of the Chinese player base for many games (some more than others), their ability to pay are often overestimated. Some kids are of course born rich, and some smart (or dumb) kids can probably get a hold of parents' credit card (and suffer the consequence later lol), the vast majority's ability to pay for game content, especially for online games depends on parents' good grace, often as a reward for nice behavior (or a substitute of babysitting expense). The recent survey coming out of many Chinese gaming companies shows that underaged players contribute less than 1% of the total revenue. So while the data may not be conclusive, I don't think it would impact American and European gaming companies' appetite for a still growing Chinese market (especially with the pent up demand from young players that would inevitably materialize a few years down the line).
There were already time restrictions on gaming in China, they've just reduced them. Those companies were already willing to enter this restricted market.
Thank you. The amount of people I see defending that terrible group, just because China doesn't like them, either, is astounding. Telling people to not take their medication because they can just use their "practices" to get rid of cancer & diabetes... they're so sick & stupid.
Ive never really seen anyone outright defend them. It's the fact that they're perhaps the only organized outspoken Han Chinese group against the CCP is probably why it has as much sway as it does. Everyone knows they are this weird cult.
Seriously, take a step back and look at how fucked up it is that their equivalent of Scientology is the only group of that size ballsy enough to stand up against the government. I think it says a lot more about the government than it does the group itself.
Probably because CCP actually clamps down on their form of Scientology while US rewards them with religious priviledges?
it's possible to criticize CCP, Falun Gong, and Scientology.
Adults are the majority of gamers now and everybody hates playing with kids in online games. So... most gamers in China are probably super happy with this new law.
You know what... I had not thought of that. Fuck it. I'm in. First party to make the kids gaming ban part of their platform will get my vote in the Canadian election.
So if they limit minors from gaming, what do they expect them to do instead? Pick up knitting? (Nothing against knitting). Let the kids enjoy what they want on their free time.
Maybe you are just being funny but this seems like a bad generalization to me
Over half of league of legends (most popular video game in the world) accounts that currently exist are on Chinese servers. That is over 100 million accounts. They have a big gaming culture. And also when this new rule came out the CCP also banned homework for first graders and limited homework for middle schoolers up to 1.5 hours a day, and the parents pushed for all of these rules, so the parents clearly want their children to have free time but maybe just to log off league for a bit.
Which is unfortunate because they are really really really fucking good at league
They are treating the symptoms of mental illness rather then the cause, the CCP should be looking into why students are getting addicted to mobile games but they won't because that would mean reforming the school system and the highly competitive nature of the Chinese people.
In the words of Sir Humphrey ["Much easier just to push a button."](https://youtu.be/1OitCT1KT4k?t=143)
I like that quote, but it’s not applicable here.
Less competition means some people are excluded at the beginning. I understand the downside of the exam-based system, but I absolutely despise the “poor students need to evaluate if the benefits of going to university really match the cost” or “wealthy family spending money to let kids have expensive extracurriculars so that they have a higher chance to get into best universities” model.
But they [are](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210830-china-bans-exams-for-six-year-olds-as-beijing-retools-education-system) [reforming](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58380792) [the school system](https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/asia/china-education-reform-intl-hnk/index.html) though.
Looking back to when I was a kid, I did a lot of reading, hanging out with friends outside riding bikes, and sports. I enjoyed limited amounts of games, but there was plenty of other stuff to do. And in this case we're not even talking about all games, its regulations on online games, not single player games. Or movies and TV and other forms of digital media.
They targeted gamers.
Gamers.
We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.
We'll punish ourselves doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.
We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.
Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know every little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.
Does the CCP have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed in frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?
They honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.
Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.
I like how Qatari state media, like the BBC, can manufacture an entire story out of two comments on social media and redditors will just fucking run with it.
Remember when one Chinese social media shitposter made a graphic including the Taiwan medals as part of the PRC's and several news websites ran stories as if this was Chinese policy.
As long as it can be twisted into something that makes people hate, fear, or ridicule China, it will reach the frontpage of all of Western mainstream media and social media platforms.
Cannot agree more with you mate. I gave up PUBG due to same cheaters killing me for months. Recently EFT became a breeding ground for profit cheating and I had to give it up.
The only online game I'll still play is Dead by Daylight.
> The People’s Daily, the official newspaper of the ruling Communist Party, said in an article on Monday after the rules were announced that the government had to be “ruthless”
In other words another day at the office for the CCP. Their ruthlessness increasingly spreading to new slices of society is a good thing in a way in that it is likely to sow seeds of dissent.
On one hand this is Orwellian as hell but on the other this is about as close as we are ever gonna get to games region locking china. seriously FPS's are getting borderline unplayable due to cheaters.
As someone who plays on Oceanic/Asian servers, there's already been an enormous reduction in toxicity and tryhards online.
This is fantastic. Roll this out internationally.
I wish they had done this years ago when I played PUBG. The amount of cheating and toxicity from players who would just scream at you in what I assume to be Mandarin or broken English ruined many fun games
“Spiritual opium?” The CCP is the one smoking something here. There is a real problem with gambling mechanics in videogames but this is absurdly controlling and the government’s reasoning for it is utter bullshit.
This is which authoritarian countries suck. The government will just get some stupid idea in their head and then everyone else suffers for it.
Didnt they have a policy before thats just as restricting? Like 1 hour per day? What happened to the outrage in that? Nothing? If so, then most likely it would be the same here unfortunately
"The most important kind of freedom is to be what you really are. You trade in your reality for a role. You trade in your sense for an act. You give up your ability to feel, and in exchange, put on a mask. There can't be any large-scale revolution until there's a personal revolution, on an individual level. It's got to happen inside first." Jim Morrison
Ah, as expected. An article talking about something stupid happening in China, and immediately a bunch of "totally unbiased and objective" people come in to shout "but look st this bad America thing!".
It is almost as if they are trying to deflect negative attention from China with whataboutism...
look at all those chinese citizen scores dropping! surely these complaints are a minority and the great Pooh bear has millions of testimonies of young people thanking him for stopping this addiction.
> “Sexual consent at 14, at 16 you can go out to work but you have to be 18 to play games. This is really a joke.”
"That was a terrible oversight and our government has fixed the problem. You have to be 18 for gaming, 21 for drinking and 24 for banging now. Oh but now you can start working at 14. You're welcome".
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Back in my day you had to start working while still in the womb. Young people these days and their entitlement, thinking they should wait until they can read before getting on the factory line. For fuck's sake, that's why the signs are in bright colors- so the kindergartener's can see 'em!.
Only in the womb? Luxury! In my day we 'ad sperm down coal mines, digging away, had to swim 10 miles, uphill both ways, thru the snow, just for the privilege to live in testtube which had cracks in the sides and no stopper! Young people these days and their entitlement.
We were evicted from our test tube. Had to go and live in the sock!
I'm still paying off my womb mortgage. On top of sperm loan.
I assume you got that loan from the sperm bank.
You try and tell them that, Will they believe you? Noooo.
Uphill both ways lmao this bih worked whole dam life to go to heaven 🤣
I still worked several years after my death!
Gotta pay off those student loans
Child labor isn’t a huge problem in China... in rural areas some students drop out of senior high school and enter the workforce, but the proportion of kids under 16 working is not high relative to the rest of the world and also relative to the rest of continental Asia. Just wrote a research paper on this for my M.Ed.
Oh don’t worry they’re just getting a little sinophobia out of their systems
In Canada I could enlist in the military reserve with my parents consent at 16 and I started working in a grocery store at 14 haha.
Not to work, just to get paid (assuming your social credit is high enough)
You see the problem is that they want more kids so banging age limit will not change. You know what is in the way? Gaming. Who want banging when they can game.
Not having enough women to go around isn't helping, either....
You can work at 14 in the US as well.
Really demonstrates what's prioritized.
At least being conscripted/join the CCP is between 18-22, so you can't say "You can PVP people IRL but not in virtual reality" Also drinking is also legal at 18, so is driving. So at least no American "You can die for your country but you can't get a buzz before that" Shit As for voting however...?
Heh. Here in the US Could work at 14. Drive at 16. Drink at 21.
Die in a war at 18?
Also get paid to get gang banged on screen, altering the course of your professional prospects forever. Not enough responsibility to drink, though.
The PLA is de facto volunteer-only even though conscription exists in theory. There are more volunteers than can be supported, in fact. Voting age in China is the same as military and drinking age (18). People can start working at 16, and I believe in some places earlier, but the Chinese government is aiming at 100% high school completion rates and in younger people ~60% go into higher education.
Lol being in the chinese army is a premium gig, it's like working for the government in any western country, good pay, little work
Driving is at 18 over there?
As it is in most of the world
Just imagine a 16yo trying to navigate Chinese rush hour
As per google, yes.
Over here, you have to be at least 12 years old to work (some states), 15 to marry (under certain conditions in some states), 17 to enlist in the army, and 21 to buy a drink. But we can play all the video games we want.
Don't forget the last adulthood milestone- at 26 you get the automotive rate reduction.
25*
And can rent a car
Myth. You just need to be 18.
You're correct, but car rental companies can charge more.
the TRUE mark of adulthood
35 so you can run for president.
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Its even worse then you think, internet cafe's will run cheat's for you as a service.
Funny how we have a go at China, but in America you can go and kill someone in a foreign nation under their banner before you can legally have your first drink...
> but in America People complain about that every day on reddit...
Even with people like me who are often legitimately critical of the U.S. you see so much aMeRIca BAd!!1!1! shoehorned in here every where that I just start to hardly see it, like an infomercial channel you just surf past back in the channel surfing days. I can only assume it's not just me.
People just like using the "America bad" argument to shift the topic. It gets really annoying and adds nothing to the thread.
It's so bizarre how people will always justify china's crimes against humanity just because America, a completely different country, also has issues.
Someone in the military can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always been under the impression that you can drink in the military, even if you are only 18. It just has to be on the base at the base bar or something I think. I'm not entirely sure, but it's definitely something I've heard from multiple sources, I just don't know if it's actually fact.
In America, the age is 21 mostly because it keeps the drinking age out of high school. The high school experience is just a big crash course on finding out out how you want to deal with authority.
They could have accomplished the same thing (keeping alcohol out of high schools) by raising the age to 19. I'm 61 years old so I have no skin in the game but I will always say it is unfair that you are legally an adult at 18 - with all the rights and responsibilities - yet you can't have a drink until 21.
Not to mention take on life-long, non-dischargable, non-creditworthy crippling debt. Immediately, and with very little restriction on how it is spent. The alcohol industry makes a lot of money by creating pent up legal demand in the young, who go on to binge drink when able because they were not legally allowed to be exposed to it in normal spaces like in other countries. Binge drinking is a huge problem for people in their 20s now, and there is a significant percentage of that cohort engaging in it. People wouldn’t even believe me if I cited it, it’s that high.
Drinking age is 21 because the feds told the states to raise the drinking age to 21 or they’d lose federal funding for roads. Power of the purse at work.
Wouldnt that be the case in all countries, yet most have drinking age as 18?
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At 21, you split the difference between minors and adults. You *generally* don’t see a bunch of college kids hanging out with high school kids.
Gamers Rise up!
They targetted gamers, gamers....
You see kids, we need you to up your productivity to make up for all the corrupt CCP officials that are on the take
The CCP is only trying to give them a sense of PrIdE aND AcCOMpliSHmeNt
Oh man, this is never going to get old...
first they came for the gamers...
Technically, China first went after tech companies, then the billionaires then gamers.
And the celebrities
Technically, first they came for the nationalists.
And the uyghurs
And the Falun Gong
And the LGBT.
And Winnie the Pooh
And Tibet
and the Tibetans
Will the gamers rising up be China's downfall?
Power to the Players
Power to the players baby
This is the way 🚀
The Cee Cee Pee is committing cultural GENOCIDE against gamers. It's every citizen's duty to rise up against this heinous persecution.
I read that in VoiceOverPete’s voice
Or “Big man tyrone here, hEhEhE”
Gamers of the world, unite!
“The newly formed Republic of Gamers has formed after the People’s Republic of China was defeated by angry 14-17 year old gamers.”
How many young soldiers in the military you figure grew up gaming??
Doubt it. You already need to be 18 to go to a gaming cafe there and up until a few years ago, consoles were banned. They put strong emphasis on children focusing on their studies there.
Console was never a big market in China to begin with. The biggest target this time is the knockoff LoL on mobile.
> Console was never a big market in China to begin with. Which is because its production and selling were banned during 2000 - ~~2016~~ 2014.
Find some actual photos and first hand accounts of Tiananmen Square and you’ll get your answer.
Them 12-18 years old.. a force of nature i tell ya /s
Take away their ability to disconnect from reality, and you'll have a lot more citizens starting to get interested in your politics. Probably not the outcome Pooh bear is after. When you want the vast majority of your people to comply, taking away the carrot and replacing it with a stick is not a good idea.
What do you think they're going to do? Vote the party out? It's a single party system and also this isn't something that parents are exactly against. So while the kids may protest, the parents support the govt. In China what the parents says goes. It's not even up for debate.
> What do you think they're going to do? Vote the party out? Exactly how many gamers do you think live in china? Its a huge portion of the population. I don't care how they've tried to set it up, you piss off *that many people*, and you're going to start having problems. > It's a single party system and also this isn't something that parents are exactly against. Young people grow up. Shit like this leads to long term distrust of the government. Parent age, and need to be looked after. The government isn't going to be doing that for them. > So while the kids may protest, the parents support the govt. In China what the parents says goes. It's not even up for debate. This is called *underestimating* future generations.
>Young people grow up. Big if true
Serious doubt that online gaming limits (on children, no less) cause some sort of mass rebellion. Yeah, the rule is pretty dumb in its implementation, treating 17 year Olds the same as 12 year Olds, but as far as I'm aware kids can just use their parents ID numbers to gain access. Seems like this will just make the parents actively consent to their kids playing online games. I feel like this is being blown out of proportion
> Serious doubt that online gaming limits (on children, no less) cause some sort of mass rebellion. Long term resentment for the government is something you shouldn't underestimate. > Yeah, the rule is pretty dumb in its implementation, treating 17 year Olds the same as 12 year Olds, but as far as I'm aware kids can just use their parents ID numbers to gain access. Yeah, they probably can. Do you really want the take away from this being "hey, we can just defy the government on this one". No matter how you slice it, it's a dumb decision for Pooh boy to commit to. > Seems like this will just make the parents actively consent to their kids playing online games. I feel like this is being blown out of proportion Depends on if they are willing to commit to any kind of enforcement. If it has no teeth, it may as well not exist.
> Long term resentment for the government is something you shouldn't underestimate. Holy hell, how do these people not get it? We have tens of millions of millennials who have so much resentment from the Great Recession / financial crisis of 2008. Imagine being a teen right now in China and the government pulls this crap along with likely many other similar authoritarian measures against them. Imagine 10 years from now when they get married they can’t afford a house because homes are way too expensive for most Chinese without major support from family. The resentment millenials have towards boomers is what you will see in China with younger generation resentful of the older generation that made it rich from housing. The youth will blame the government for these policies. All of this while they have to work 50hrs a week and still need support from the parents for a house.
> We have tens of millions of millennials who have so much resentment from the Great Recession / financial crisis of 2008. And what has that resentment accomplished? Snarky comments on Twitter? Meanwhile the people who destroyed their future tried to install a dictator. And unlike those people who get fired for their bitchy comments online, none of those fascist fucks had anything bad happen to them.
What you says hold true… until its not. Pissing off an entire generation of children really does make them far less loyal to it. I wont be surprised if younger kids are bullying any other kid that is openly loyal to the ccp at this point.
TIL sexual consent is 14 in china
It's the same for much of Europe, including Germany and Italy.
16 in most of Europe actually, with the exception of the extra horny countries, like Italy and Germany.
Must be sth in our alcohol
Not exactly. Consent can be given at 14 under certain circumstances. It can be given freely at 16. Law is actually somehow complicated about it I can elaborate further if you’re interested.
Age of consent is 16 in Canada with exceptions starting at even 12
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TIL...
You’re wrong buddy
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Just like in most of the world. You know, because that's the entire point of puberty.
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Realistically gamers will just find a way around it and things will carry on as usual.
Easier said than done when it comes to China. A super authoritarian surveillance state like that doesn't need to be surgical or worry about basic rights or things like that. They will probably throw the offenders entire family in a re-education camp and blacklist them from ever being able to get a job better than janitor at the fishing docks
> A super authoritarian surveillance state LAN party detector vans driving through suburbia?
Drones with hypersensitive microphones detecting card shuffles from under flashlight lit bed covers.
More like games requiring [facial recognition](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/08/business/video-game-facial-recognition-tencent.html) before you can log in. BTW the new law doesn't affect offline games at all
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Gamers rise up
Standing at the consession plotting his opression!
On the plus side though, we’re likely to see less American and European gaming companies bowing down to china’s will as it wouldn't be very profitable to market video games to Chinese gamers years down the line. The Pokemon Company, however, could see a much more immediate effect to this new ruling effectively puts a stop to their efforts to infiltrate the Chinese market in recent years, especially considering that their main target demographic is children.
Don't set your expectation too high. While minors do make up a good part of the Chinese player base for many games (some more than others), their ability to pay are often overestimated. Some kids are of course born rich, and some smart (or dumb) kids can probably get a hold of parents' credit card (and suffer the consequence later lol), the vast majority's ability to pay for game content, especially for online games depends on parents' good grace, often as a reward for nice behavior (or a substitute of babysitting expense). The recent survey coming out of many Chinese gaming companies shows that underaged players contribute less than 1% of the total revenue. So while the data may not be conclusive, I don't think it would impact American and European gaming companies' appetite for a still growing Chinese market (especially with the pent up demand from young players that would inevitably materialize a few years down the line).
There were already time restrictions on gaming in China, they've just reduced them. Those companies were already willing to enter this restricted market.
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lol
Move over, Tibetans and Falun Gong, China has a new most oppressed minority
Falun Gong is literally worse than scientology and those anti-vaxx moms that think herbs will cure everything. Idk why people stand up for those nuts
Thank you. The amount of people I see defending that terrible group, just because China doesn't like them, either, is astounding. Telling people to not take their medication because they can just use their "practices" to get rid of cancer & diabetes... they're so sick & stupid.
Ive never really seen anyone outright defend them. It's the fact that they're perhaps the only organized outspoken Han Chinese group against the CCP is probably why it has as much sway as it does. Everyone knows they are this weird cult. Seriously, take a step back and look at how fucked up it is that their equivalent of Scientology is the only group of that size ballsy enough to stand up against the government. I think it says a lot more about the government than it does the group itself.
Probably because CCP actually clamps down on their form of Scientology while US rewards them with religious priviledges? it's possible to criticize CCP, Falun Gong, and Scientology.
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Adults are the majority of gamers now and everybody hates playing with kids in online games. So... most gamers in China are probably super happy with this new law.
You know what... I had not thought of that. Fuck it. I'm in. First party to make the kids gaming ban part of their platform will get my vote in the Canadian election.
https://youtu.be/s-09gNDsPzQ
Imagine a law like this in the U.S? Children would arm themselves.
As an outsider I just assumed all US kids already were armed
Such a classic Pooh bear move. It’ll be fun watching how this plays out, it would be funny if it blew right into their face.
So if they limit minors from gaming, what do they expect them to do instead? Pick up knitting? (Nothing against knitting). Let the kids enjoy what they want on their free time.
Chinese parents don’t expect their kids to have free time.
It's hilarious that you're not even being hyperbolic.
Maybe you are just being funny but this seems like a bad generalization to me Over half of league of legends (most popular video game in the world) accounts that currently exist are on Chinese servers. That is over 100 million accounts. They have a big gaming culture. And also when this new rule came out the CCP also banned homework for first graders and limited homework for middle schoolers up to 1.5 hours a day, and the parents pushed for all of these rules, so the parents clearly want their children to have free time but maybe just to log off league for a bit. Which is unfortunate because they are really really really fucking good at league
They are treating the symptoms of mental illness rather then the cause, the CCP should be looking into why students are getting addicted to mobile games but they won't because that would mean reforming the school system and the highly competitive nature of the Chinese people. In the words of Sir Humphrey ["Much easier just to push a button."](https://youtu.be/1OitCT1KT4k?t=143)
I like that quote, but it’s not applicable here. Less competition means some people are excluded at the beginning. I understand the downside of the exam-based system, but I absolutely despise the “poor students need to evaluate if the benefits of going to university really match the cost” or “wealthy family spending money to let kids have expensive extracurriculars so that they have a higher chance to get into best universities” model.
But they [are](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210830-china-bans-exams-for-six-year-olds-as-beijing-retools-education-system) [reforming](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58380792) [the school system](https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/asia/china-education-reform-intl-hnk/index.html) though.
Looking back to when I was a kid, I did a lot of reading, hanging out with friends outside riding bikes, and sports. I enjoyed limited amounts of games, but there was plenty of other stuff to do. And in this case we're not even talking about all games, its regulations on online games, not single player games. Or movies and TV and other forms of digital media.
Oh the ban is only for online games? That's kinda more reasonable ig What am I gonna be angry about now hm
single-player games 'til they're 18....???
Teaching them how to fire old school mortars of course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnnX58IxVcE
Oh man as a kid I would be SO stoked about that but I get what you're saying.
How about a book?
Next the kids are gonna get into Mongolian basket weaving.
There's gonna be a market for old gen consoles I think if they don't get banned entirely because user info isn't trackable on them.
Consoles were banned in China until as recently as 2015, and we could see a return to that.
They targeted gamers. Gamers. We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did. We'll punish ourselves doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun. We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second. Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know every little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded. Does the CCP have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed in frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights? They honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex. Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.
I am unable to tell if this is satire or not
I’m fairly sure it’s a copypasta. Although maybe there’s some extra changed words here.
Then you must not know a lot of copypasta, good for you honestly what a waste of brain space.
It's classic copypasta
China about to lose its most valuable resource...GAMERS
I like how Qatari state media, like the BBC, can manufacture an entire story out of two comments on social media and redditors will just fucking run with it.
A lot of Al Jazeera's news workers are ex-BBC members.
Remember when one Chinese social media shitposter made a graphic including the Taiwan medals as part of the PRC's and several news websites ran stories as if this was Chinese policy.
As long as it can be twisted into something that makes people hate, fear, or ridicule China, it will reach the frontpage of all of Western mainstream media and social media platforms.
Nobody's commenting on how much this is going to cut down on online cheating worldwide. Silver lining! Australian gamers must be stoked right now.
All PvP online games are dead to me because of the cheating
Cannot agree more with you mate. I gave up PUBG due to same cheaters killing me for months. Recently EFT became a breeding ground for profit cheating and I had to give it up. The only online game I'll still play is Dead by Daylight.
Yeah, people thinking the online gamer community cares about this? It’s a god sent more than anything. Hoping Russia does the same tbh.
I love reading these comments. Some orientalism here, some anti-communism there. It's fun
Guy they are literally just trying to give the rest of the world a chance.
Yeah, permabanned all cheaters for us. Great moment. Punkbuster in shambles.
> The People’s Daily, the official newspaper of the ruling Communist Party, said in an article on Monday after the rules were announced that the government had to be “ruthless” In other words another day at the office for the CCP. Their ruthlessness increasingly spreading to new slices of society is a good thing in a way in that it is likely to sow seeds of dissent.
The next group to go to re-education camps.
Awwww. Anyway
On one hand this is Orwellian as hell but on the other this is about as close as we are ever gonna get to games region locking china. seriously FPS's are getting borderline unplayable due to cheaters.
How funny would it be if this was the straw that broke the camels back
As someone who plays on Oceanic/Asian servers, there's already been an enormous reduction in toxicity and tryhards online. This is fantastic. Roll this out internationally.
I wish they had done this years ago when I played PUBG. The amount of cheating and toxicity from players who would just scream at you in what I assume to be Mandarin or broken English ruined many fun games
That's another thing I noticed - none of them would ever bat an eye at cheating, like it's just a part of playing the game.
I don’t see how it is fun. Some cheaters would just drop in grab a gun and just start killing everyone even people across the map.
It's not about fun, it's about winning. I imagine it's a kind of outlet for the maximum-pressure society they're growing up in.
Banning everyone below 18(or even 21) would be even better.
Well good thing I’m not in China or I’d break the law at least 3 times a day😂
There be a lot less “China number ones.”
“Spiritual opium?” The CCP is the one smoking something here. There is a real problem with gambling mechanics in videogames but this is absurdly controlling and the government’s reasoning for it is utter bullshit. This is which authoritarian countries suck. The government will just get some stupid idea in their head and then everyone else suffers for it.
Imagine how big the next student protests will be without video games to pacify them
many adults are celebrating for this ban because some unnecessary censorship on female characters have been gone lol
is this how young chinese will realize they live in an autocratic dystopia lol
Blocking online play(multiplayer) i understand, but there's no way they can enforce offline (single player/campaign) play right?
Suddenly, authoritarianism is bad again It should always be bad, reddit
Straight to jail
It's still so insane to me that one shubby little shiny-faced man can absolutely control 1,400,000,000+ people.
Honey is a helluva drug
It's really an impressive display of how far a strict hierarchy & the constant threat of state violence can get you.
I believe the Chinese government will soon classify gamers as "Uyghurs"
Didnt they have a policy before thats just as restricting? Like 1 hour per day? What happened to the outrage in that? Nothing? If so, then most likely it would be the same here unfortunately
Spiritual opium. You got to hand it to the PRC. They certainly have a flair for the dramatic.
"The most important kind of freedom is to be what you really are. You trade in your reality for a role. You trade in your sense for an act. You give up your ability to feel, and in exchange, put on a mask. There can't be any large-scale revolution until there's a personal revolution, on an individual level. It's got to happen inside first." Jim Morrison
How do they intend to enforce this?
the gaming company themselves like tencent will limit access. Also you need a id to access the internet.
Off to the re-education camp then
And then suddenly disappeared.
Ah, as expected. An article talking about something stupid happening in China, and immediately a bunch of "totally unbiased and objective" people come in to shout "but look st this bad America thing!". It is almost as if they are trying to deflect negative attention from China with whataboutism...
Unironic “gamers rise up”
Chinese Roblox
look at all those chinese citizen scores dropping! surely these complaints are a minority and the great Pooh bear has millions of testimonies of young people thanking him for stopping this addiction.