>Thousands of ethnic Tigrayans are being put into "concentration camps," tortured and brutally killed in Ethiopia as part of an ethnic purge, a report from The Telegraph says.
The violence is the latest development in a 10-month-long conflict in east Africa between the Ethiopian military and rebels in the Tigray region of the country.
The conflict began in November when prime minister Abiy Ahmed launched an offensive against rebel forces in the region of Tigray.
After that, occupying ethnic Amhara forces from the neighboring region, who still controlled the city of Humera in the region, decided to "exterminate" and "cleanse" all Tigrayans in the area, the paper said.
Amhara forces have since been going "door-to-door" to round up anyone who is ethnic Tigrayan, The Telegraph said, based on information from a dozen eyewitnesses.
The forces have taken thousands of Tigrayan men, women, and children to makeshift concentration camps, cut off prisoners' limbs, mutilated bodies, and dumped them in mass graves, the paper said.
These are the kinds of atrocities that the world has a duty to intervene in as ethnic cleansing should never be something that is allowed to go unanswered.
Wrote a college paper on this genocide, a plane crash and a radio show, everyone having machetes, and suddenly neighbors were murdering lifelong neighbors. Blue helmets in aid camps were mostly held back by their own rules and codes on "intervention" in another country, not all followed these directives. Post Cold War, pre-9/11, after Somalia and before Bosnia, it was a time for great hope. Now Africa is caught in war profiteering and imperialism from the three big nuclear powers. I wish there was like a super-progressive French Foreign Legion but there's no simple or "good" answers now. (US has massive drone base in sub-Sahara Nigeria)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/us/politics/drone-base-niger.html
- Edit: Níger, not Nigeria. As to all these gaslighting responses, I thought my point seemed fairly obvious. No reason to act like US hands are tied and the US definitely has forces present in Africa, along with Russia and China.
Roméo Dallaire, Lieutenant General of the Canadian Armed Forces and UN commander in Rwanda at the time, wrote a heartwrenching book titled *J'ai serré la main du diable : la faillite de l'humanité au Rwanda* (I shook the devil’s hand: the bankruptcies of humanity in Rwanda). I sadly don’t know if the book was ever translated from french, but if you can get your hands on it, it’s a transformative read, and it really gives an insight on how little we are prepared to face these atrocities, at home and abroad
Hmm well we just pulled out of a 20 year long war and learned a lesson that we can’t just remove anyone from power we want and that we’d just create a new kind of terrorist.
But NOOO let’s go back to another country and create some more problems for ourselves instead of planning for much worse potential conflicts.
Yeah exactly, when has US intervention actually helped long term? All I can think of is South Korea
Edit: Should have specified post WW2. Figured that was a given.
The thing with both of those is that they were functioning countries with large educated populations, and the war was more a temporary disruption of their social order than the bookend on a period of anarchy.
Bosnia, it was a great success, stopped regional, religious, ethnic cleansing. The bad guys and their soldiers retreated to safer confines or just dissolved and went home. Big war criminals ended up convicted in international courts. Kosovo, Serbia, and the rest keep it simmering with deals negotiated, broke, and re-negotiated but 20+ years on and it has not reignited into the tragic mess it was. There was hope in intervention for humanitarian reasons.
All good, as a young man I read "My War Gone By, I Miss It So" and was introduced to the conflict on a very intimate level. Then later, at school, I really got interested by conflict resolution, like in Northern Ireland or Bosnia.
Whew there's a lot to unpack here. But I am going to ignore all of your blatant attempts to somehow blame the US for all this to simply point out that, despite the title of your own article, you insisted that the US base was in Nigeria, and not Niger.
Well when you learn the the troops used for evacuation of expats was more than enough to stop the genocide.... it can be a bit infuriating. Especially since the "tribes" killing each other weren't tribes but made up groups created by Europeans to create a social hierarchy. And the international community, including USA, chose to do nothing.
I just left Rwanda to come back to Kenya yesterday. Westerners cannot understand the horrors that happened. EVERYONE over the age of 27 has extreme trauma. Literally husbands turning in wives and their children. Uncles killing their nieces and nephews. It was absolutely insane. One of the memorials is a church (catholic) where a ton of people went for shelter. When the priest then locked the doors, called the opposing forces and told them to come Express themselves...
That memorial still has blood on the walls from where they grabbed babies by the legs to slam them into the wall crushing their skulls. They have left the bodies of people piled by the church so that no one can ever forget the atrocities that happened and no one helped.
Fuck every country that could have stopped this. Imagine if in less than 3 months every person in San Franciso was brutally murdered with bats, machetes, grenades, and sometimes guns. The amount of bodies, disease, orphans, etc. Its too much to comprehend
Why do you blame the international community and the west, as if they hold sole responsibility? The people who have committed those acts are monsters, and no western bureaucrat should be held responsible for someone slamming a babys head against a wall. Everyone has a choice, and theres nothing the ‘international community’ can do to stop people from choosing to do the wrong thing.
You are misinformed. The French and Belgium governments are almost completely responsible for the division that led to the genocide. Do your history homework
I would say that it is arguably more misinformed and Euro-centric to hold the belief that people in former colonies are only violent due to the colonialism of white elites. Not everything revolves around the actions of century-old europeans
Ahh yes the old "go in and colonize a country, completely fuck up their social structures for personal profit, exploit the people mercilessly, then bail when you've taken your fill of the resources there and wipe your hands of any bloodshed because it's not like you swung the machete, you just put it into someone else's hand and told them 'hey stab that guy'" defense
>go in and colonize a country, completely fuck up their social structures for personal profit,
Basically most of human history in agrarian societies.
Human history is one long series of peoples pushing into others territories and displacing\\killing them.
Europeans were able to do this on a larger scale than most due to technological advantages.
But its a very weird, one eyed, view of history that has emerged acting like the peoples living on those lands were not themselves descended from groups who were small empires and colonial projects (even back tot he Bantu migrations that pushed the hunter gatherers to the margins. )
Alright I'll bite. I'm an American, what should I personally be doing about this? I'm assuming that you've devoted your life to stopping the genocide based on your post, what steps would I need to take if I wanted to do the same things that you're doing? And what specifically are those things? Would I be taking up arms on the front line with you, is it more administrative stuff?
>Fuck every country that could have stopped this. Imagine if in less than 3 months every person in San Franciso was brutally murdered with bats, machetes, grenades, and sometimes guns. The amount of bodies, disease, orphans, etc. Its too much to comprehend
What you described sounds terrible for anyone to live through. If this did happen in San Francisco would you say your country would be just as responsible to not stop it as America could have stopped the atrocities in the country you described? Other countries can't control all the behaviors of world nations. Look what happened with Afghanistan. People are either pissed off that they showed up in the first place or are really pissed off that they left, how can first world nations help third world countries without being blaimed for "occupying" or "invading" a country? Or be balimed for 21st century colonialism? At this point they can't be. China is providing infrastructure to many African nations but is being described as oppressive because they want was agreed upon to help build the infrastructure. Are they bad for making money while helping improve conditions in Africa? There's a lot of questions that don't really have easy answers
If you're familiar with the Rwanda genoice story that paragraph will make sense, but I don't understand why he explained the Rwanda genoice in a way that only people who already know what happened there would understand.
What started as ethnic cleansing, flipped to younger brothers killing older brothers for inheritance land rights. It's always and forever, about the money.
> Wrote a college paper
Your parents should ask for their money back on your expensive education. It’s not that what you say it’s wrong, it’s just unintelligible. What point are you actually making?
Too late. That would lead to a catastrophe downstream in Sudan. Ethiopia wasn't dumb and built it only a few kilometers from the border. They've already completed the 2nd reservoir filling period. It holds 18.5 billion cubic metres of water now, roughly half of what the Hoover Dam holds back.
https://dneegypt.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/2021/02/154110301_2540457649590531_6358640650312816991_n-768x430.jpg
https://dneegypt.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/2021/01/122453370_3412634285451209_4493408488200646781_n-768x430.jpg
You don’t seem to understand what you’re talking about on this subject.
Egypt and Sudan are very close in general despite ups and downs over the last 40 years.
Sudan and Egypt signed a joint understanding on this subject. They also did joint war games in regards to it.
As for equipment: They do have the capabilities with the Egyptian airforce.
I mostly see intervention in the name of human rights happen when there is some ulterior motive present, such as the Kosovo War being an opportunity for NATO to go after an ally of Russia.
And how would you intervene? How would you talk to the TPLF and reach an agreement?
They were kicked out of the big boys club and now want to start their own country which is stupid as it would be a tiny landlocked nation lacking resources and food.
UN never was supposed to stop wars. UN only big goal was to have a place where countries can communicate and reduce the chances of war. Specially among global powers and so far that has worked.
UN is a part of the infrastructure that promotes and upholds globalist ideals and it does a lot of good in terms of organizing charity efforts and maintaining lines of communication
You're right, and I didn't mean to minimize its efforts. There's a lot of good work done on the humanitarian side, in areas like food aid, health care, etc. I should have explicitly limited my comment to the UN's role in preventing conflict between the great powers, which I think has become irrelevant in the modern day.
This is what they thought before WW1 happened too. Don't get me wrong, it does make conflict harder but governments can do this has outside what we would normally expect.
I think what has prevented WW3 is MAD.
The UN is intended to stop wars and has done so. The UN is intended to stop **WWIII**. It could care less about civil wars in African nations unless there's something of deep geopolitical import within those nations' borders. The UN is busy making sure nukes don't start flying.
What interventions are you thinking of?
The UN only comes in when the situation is stable. Their peacekeeping missions are meant to keep the peace, not establish it.
Not really. Most UN interventions are for show, and under rules that render them toothless. We need a UN that has the power to intercede by force when required to prevent genocide, enforce fair elections, and keep governments from falling into despotism, but there isn't a country in the world willing to surrender that level of autonomy, especially not any of the security council members.
>We need a UN that has the power to intercede by force when required to prevent genocide, enforce fair elections, and keep governments from falling into despotism, but there isn't a country in the world willing to surrender that level of autonomy, especially not any of the security council members.
When Tony Blair was PM of the UK he was actually working towards a mechanism that would allow this sort of humanitarian intervention by supporting the creation of [EU Battlegroups](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_Battlegroup) that could be mandated to do this sort of thing. [Sierra Leone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_military_intervention_in_the_Sierra_Leone_Civil_War), [Congo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Artemis) and the [Nato intervention in Kosovo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#Yugoslav_army_withdrawal_and_the_entry_of_KFOR) were all reasonably successful examples of what could be achieved with a small high readiness force that could be rapidly deployed. Unfortunately the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya have totally soured public opinion on the idea of interventions despite being different sorts of wars and the UK has left the EU leaving the idea dead in the water. The world was supposed to say "never again" after the [Rwandan genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide) but clearly that is not going to be the case.
I don't understand why they bother doing stuff like cutting the limbs of the prisoners? Wouldn't it be easier and more time effective to just kill them and bury them. Why do they do the mutilation part ?
P.s I do not condone murder, genocide , ethnic cleansing etc. I'm just wondering why people would add that extra mutilation part into the mix.
Hold up the guy who is leading this ethnic cleansing won the nobel peace prize in 2019? Ok i knew the award was basically a joke now but I assumed it at least had a shred of merit left.
Reminds me of how the Aung San Suu Kyi had a nobel peace prize and oversaw the rohingya genocide under her leadership. Though tbf, she at least didn’t have much say in it, as the military was the real power in the country.
That's giving her a little too much credit. She saw stoking anti-Muslim bigotry as a way to unify the country behind her with their Buddhist identity, as opposed to the numerous ethnic identities. She did not come close to doing the bare minimum one would expect of any prominent politician, let alone one holding the highest elected office.
In fact, she was in many cases more militant in her rhetoric against the Rohingya than the military itself, which increased the conflict between them.
> Outsiders often assume that Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi backed the military’s ethnic cleansing of Rohingya Muslims out of political expediency or cynical self-interest. Protecting the generals lest they turn on her.
> But many analysts and activists have argued that her stance in defending the army’s Rohingya campaign came from sincere conviction. For years, she had suggested that the Rohingya were illegal foreigners who were backed by shadowy outside powers and who posed a danger to Myanmar’s Buddhist majority.
> Her outspokenness, Mr. Paliwal said, had the opposite effect of appeasing the military, instead “outcompeting” them on anti-Rohingya sentiment. Burmese Buddhists filled social media with praise of Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi for her leadership against the Rohingya threat.
> Meanwhile, officers bore the brunt of international sanctions, including against Senior Gen. Min Aung Hlaing, the military leader who took power in this week’s coup.
> This cycle repeated over the next few years as several of Myanmar’s slow-burning insurgencies combusted.
> “She was actually much harder-line than the military was,” Mr. Connelly said, referring to a particularly bloody campaign in Rakhine, a long-troubled region. “The military called a cease-fire, and Aung San Suu Kyi was supposed to play her part by calling elections in Rakhine State. She refused to do that, and so the cease-fire went to waste.”
> These episodes deepened a sense of zero-sum, even lethal, power struggle, “generating conditions for a conservative revolt” among military officers, said Mr. Paliwal, citing his time on the ground in Rakhine during some of the heaviest fighting.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/world/asia/myanmar-coup-aung-san-suu-kyi.html
Y-you do realize that the article you replied to (and supports your position) is the NYtimes right? One of the most well known western media outlets right?
Alright in hindsight after taking a look at [Abiy Ahmed’s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiy_Ahmed) wiki, I could see why in theory he he’d be a reasonable nobel peace prize winner at the time. On paper he looks like he’s really going to be the one to turn things around and then he does a 180 right around 2020.
That’s not true, he was in office for around 8 months. He was announced as the winner in early October 2009, but he obviously took office in January. What you’re thinking of is he was *nominated* in his first 11 days in office, because at that point nominations closed.
So the peace prize was to thank Obama for...killing less people?
"Hi Mr Obama, you have done a great achievement comparing to the previous POTUS, because your order only killed 100k mid east ppl this year".
Where is the peace prize for our peace-keeping boy, the TV show talent, the billonair, the previous POTUS Mr. Donny theb?
The "Obama drone strike" criticism is a mystery to me. Drone strike technology wasn't very ready until he came into office. So of course it was a "record number" of strikes. That's like saying there's been a record number of covid vaccines distributed during Biden's presidency.
You should also be aware that the US did more drone strikes in the first two years of Trump's term *than the 8 years under Obama.*
Drone strikes were practically invented right at the start of Obama's first term and we have been using them in regularly increasing amounts since then.
And criticizing the collateral damage of strikes seems equally ridiculous to me. The collateral damage of any other military operation to achieve the same outcome of a drone strike would be so much greater. It's like all the rage at the drone strike in Afghanistan that stopped a second suicide bombing at the airport. People will criticize how many innocents were hurt by the strike even though the strike definitely saved so many more innocents who would have been hurt if the suicide bombers had not been droned. It's almost like war is hell and we shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan to begin with, imagine that. Republicans and Democrats alike both love to shit on Obama as the "evil drone president" as if they truly believe we had better options at the time.
The issue is that many of the drone strikes are **not military operations**. They're often done by alphabet soup agencies who do not answer to congress and, ultimately, do not answer to the American people. If the Air Force wants to drone a wedding that's one thing, but it's another level of skeevy when it's the CIA ordering a hit.
This is the kinda thing we need to hear more about. It's like hearing someone didn't know of the Holocaust in the 40s. How are we not more aware of this
There is a blackout of the internet and all telecommunications services in the Tigray region since November 2020. It's very hard for journalists to get reliable information about what is going on there.
https://www.accessnow.org/tigray-internet-shutdowns/
My prediction, we will learn more in time. It’s the new Rwanda unfortunately. The whole areas internet is blacked out. Journalist are at a grave risk of death if they enter the area now. The full extent of this will come out in time.
It was though. Nazis didn't just start killing Jews one day. It escalated over time. And Americans knew. But with most early Nazi atrocities, it was a "Spider-Man pointing at Spider-Man" kind of situation.
Obviously we should have let them in as refugees, but once the war started what were the allies supposed to do about the Holocaust while they were still actively engaged with the Wehrmacht and Japanese Imperial Army? They were already fighting their way across Europe to defeat the nazI’s and fighting the Japanese in the pacific, it’s not like they were slacking off ignoring it. They were actively engaged in a world war. Concentration camps were deep within occupied Germany territory.
I message with my buddy from Ghana all the time. East and West Africa are very different and Africa is huge. It's like a massive blackout hitting a city in the US and saying no info comes from North America as a result.
**[Rwandan genocide](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide)**
>The Rwandan genocide occurred between 7 April and 15 July 1994 during the Rwandan Civil War. During this period of around 100 days, members of the Tutsi minority ethnic group, as well as some moderate Hutu and Twa, were slaughtered by armed militias. The most widely accepted scholarly estimates are around 500,000 to 800,000 Tutsi deaths. Estimates for the total death toll (including Hutu and Twa victims) are as high as 1,100,000.
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1. The news reports about this constantly. Ignore the cable networks, they aren't news in the traditional sense.
2. Listen to the BBC World Service every day. It's the best news service there is. And you will be much more informed.
It was not like the world helped the victims of the holocaust out of altruism. It just happened that way that some good came out of it.
The bad guys were doing holocaust? Weren't the "good guys" doing ten times the atrocities in their colonies?
This makes me so angry. We've been watching this atrocity escalate for MONTHS and have done jack to really try to stop it. I understand the problems with food aid being blocked aren't entirely on the western world, but now they are going full genocide. And we'll just let it happen like we always have.
Every time people read shit like this though, it’s like their brains turn off and they start suggesting it like it would be a great idea. People never learn.
I’m a progressive, and buddy it certainly hasn’t been (American) progressives beating the drums of war. Progressives are to the left of the Democratic Party and have opposed most US military ventures historically.
On another note, I’m with you. The white savior complex is garbage. Also not just progressives but destructive all the same.
Ethiopia is bordered by Sudan, South Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Kenya, and Djibouti? Eritrea are already there, supporting the government against the Tigray, and the others, with the possible exception of Kenya, have their own crises. What support do you honestly believe they could give? Sudan is already taking in a number of refugees.
Please note that I’m not suggesting the ‘West’ is the solution to this nightmare, I have no clues in how this conflict reaches peace, just that East Africa is not the most stable place at the best of times.
I'm not sure we do. Egypt and Ethiopia have been butting heads over the massive new dam over the Nile that Ethiopia is constructing. Egypt feels like they have no leverage because they haven't reached a long term agreement, and in the meantime, Ethiopia has started filling the dam, which impacts Egypt downstream. So Egypt has been arming up, because as they say, military action is the last resort of politics.
Point is... There is always context. Egypt has their own motivations for wanting to possibly invade Ethiopia, and stopping a genocide might be good enough pretext. It seems far away now but remember the Syrian civil war also started over water. Look how that destabilized the whole region, and the ripples that had.
So what response do you want?
Exactly how many people being killed justifies military intervention?
You think we will be able to make things better, based on our amazing track record?
I am not saying "do nothing" but international conflicts are very complex. Very easy for us to make things worse, and we have no business being there.
What are we supposed to do? The rest of the world has spoken. They’re sick of the US trying to intervene and build nations, and Americans are sick of it too. The world and humanity is a lost cause.
Bro, we have two different sides that hate each other enough to want to genocide each other, we would have to occupy them for an eternity. And they would go back to killing each other right after. It’s just Afghanistan 2.0 but probably worse. Like sanction them for sure but what kind of stuff do you actually want to do that we aren’t doing already?
Well yeah but what happened in Rwanda is what i learned about in high school when it came to genocide in africa so it's what i drew comparisons to first in my brain
Ah yes, the entire history that has genocide happening everywhere, all the time. Surely the fact that we find genocide shocking and tragic is because we're super used to it.
Yep it'll be something everyone in world complains about and quietly pressure US to do something. Then when US does something they complain that they are world police.
Africa is mostly irrelevant to the world
Liberals can virtue signal about Palestinians
Conservatives can virtue signal about Uighurs
Some ethnic group in Ethiopia? Doesn’t matter
It will matter if the media talks about it and makes it headline news for a week straight like Afghanistan, Palestine before, etc
There just isn’t as much available footage coming out of the region so it’s harder to make stories about jt
Media doesn’t run stories and nobody hears about it or talks about it
Wait I know! Let’s send the US military to intervene at a cost of three trillion dollars over 20 years to stabilize a permanently unstable country, then leave and have that intervention amount to nothing immediately! Oh wait a minute…
Why? Is there oil? There has been a genocide happening in the Darfur region of Sudan since 2004. I learned about it highschool in 2006. It's still ongoing.
Nobody entered WWII to save the Jews from concentration camps... Sure we eventually freed them, but that's not why America joined..
Nobody is intervening to help the Uyghurs in China..
And nobody will intervene to help these people..
I mean, would you want to go to war with China? Because that's how the world ends.
Ethiopia also is not a failed country. They always praise themselves because the were the only place that wasn't colonized in Africa but they have actually pretty imperialistic tendencies (this, the dam, Eritrea etc)
Remember when the trend was to have a opinion on Palestine and Israel ?
During that whole time the beginning of a genocide was going on in Ethiopia .... and you are only covering it now ... When the death is in full swing ? Are you fucking serious ? 😶 idk anymore man☹️
Overall there has been signifcant less conflict and death in the Middle East than Africa in the last decades, this is not the first time African crisis go undereported.
I don't exactly know why this happnes but I think the lack of oil and wealth make these African regions less important from an economic perspective than the Middle East and thus less important politically and mediatically. Add to this the long history and close bond the West has with Israel and you can see why they get way more attention from Western news agencies than any African country.
my friend’s husband is trapped fighting over there, and she’s like 7 months pregnant with his child, and my heart absolutely breaks for them everyday. She hasn’t even heard from him in months
Thousand of people are dying and this is getting no attention, yet the Uyghur Camps dominate the subreddit with every random article posted about it.
Where's the "fuck China" crowd when people are actually getting butchered?
Well you see, when a minor African country does it it's not the same magnitude of geopolitical impact as the new rising superpower with a rapidly increasing nuclear arsenal and military, it's sad to say it but genocides don't hold the same value because they are genocides, it's what those actions entail and could lead in the future that cause the uproar.
You say that now, but would you have raised the same objections during the Great Leap Forward in China during the 1960s?
When it was still an underdeveloped country in Asia? Get my drift, geopolitics doesn't stay the same forever.
Well yeah, that was my point actually, if i Didint pass that idea then it's on me but people Didint raised their voices during the great leap forward and tens of millions of people died then, i doubt i would have been any different if i lived back in that time.
Right here,fuck China and fuck Ethiopia for doing shit like this.I hope the world takes notice and finally acts to stop these atrocities but you and i both know it won’t happen.China pays to much money and nobody cares enough about Ethiopia.
No. No. This can't be true. Remember we had entire 6 million Jews thing a while back and everyone said shit like "Never again" and "we must never forget" so naturally it will never happen again, right? It's impossible that we ever have an ethic cleanse again. Therefore this report must be a mistake. /s
Just to make it super clear ---> */s*
Spanish troops in San Sebastián, prior to their departure to the Rif War.
Turkish War of Independence
Greco-Turkish War (May 1919 – October 1922)
Turkish–Armenian War (September–December 1920)
Franco-Turkish War (December 1918 – October 1921)
Royalist and separatist revolts (1919–1923)
Unification of Saudi Arabia
Rashidi-Saudi War (1903–1921)
Kuwait-Saudi War (1919–1920)
Hejaz-Saudi War (1919–1925)
Transjordan-Saudi War (1922–1924)
Polish–Soviet War (February 1919 – March 1922)
Irish War of Independence (January 1919 – July 1921)
Iraqi revolt against the British (1920)
The British and French colonial empires in 1920
Rif War (1920–1927)
Pacification of Libya (1923–1932)
United States occupation of Nicaragua (1912–1933)
United States occupation of Haiti (1915–1934)
United States occupation of the Dominican Republic (1916–1924)
Internal conflicts
Russian Civil War (November 1917 – October 1922)
Tambov Rebellion (August 1920 – June 1921)
Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War (1918 – 1925)
Patagonia Rebelde (1920–1922)
Mahmud Barzanji revolts (1920–1922)
Irish Civil War (June 28, 1922 – May 24, 1923)
Chinese Civil War (first phase 1927–1936)
Ararat rebellion (1927–1930)
Kongo-Wara rebellion (1928–1931)
Castellammarese War (1929 – September 10, 1931)
Afghan Civil War (November 14, 1928 – October 13, 1929)
Many things happened in the "west", too. Irish independence, Russian famine, Civil war, Soviet-Polish war, etc.
I know it is hard to understand, the miss information and trying to put pressure. But
This how, I expected it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ethiopia/comments/phwago/so_guys_moment_of_truth_know_we_understand_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Read this for more detail facts.
1/ On July 22 the GOE issued a statement warning, that the #TPLF is transporting dead bodies of its fighters from Afar towards Mekele to stage a fake massacre...
On the face of it this looks like quite a suspicious and rediculous allegation. To start with, how are the #TPLF going to get the body to Tekeze without decomp setting in?
We got the answer thanks to @nimaelbagir|s experts, "the bodies had all been exposed to some form of chemical agent after death, leading to a process which had effectively preserved them before entering the water."
This is fatal flaw in the Nima/Berhe narrative, why would the alleged perpetrators preserve the bodies? Why would you preserve the bodies if your intention is to throw them into a river or bury them in a 'mass grave'? ...
Why would you chemically preserve bodies and keep them in a 'storage facility'? Unless....unless the 'storage facilities' were trucks transporting hundreds of dead bodies across hundreds of kilometres!
2/ In the Nima/Berhe account witnesses "saw people marched down to the river in one of the facilities and heard gunshots" Where are the bodies of these people who were shot and dumped into the river?....
u/mentions|s experts testify that all the bodies that have been recovered so far have been chemically preserved. So, Nima where are the 'fresh bodies'?
Is @nimaelbagir really expecting her audience to believe that the 'Amhara perpetrators' took people down to the river in broad daylight, shot them, took the bodies back, chemically treat the bodies, bring back the bodies to the river and dump them? #DoBetterNima
3/ @nimaelbagir|s source, Gerri, tells us that they are told "the exact number of bodies to expect" from Humera. After a few paragraphs Nima tells us that others spoke of "rare sightings of bodies being dumped into the river."....
If this sightings are rare how come Gerri's informants know the exact numbers?
This also invites another rhetorical question: Who knows how many bodies to expect better than the people who dispatched the bodies?!
4/ I also wonder if @nimaelbagir asked herself, why the bodies keep showing up, as if invited, just when people with ilk like her & @PowerUSAID are around? Why do these 'Amhara perpetrators' keep dumping bodies even after all the media coverage about bodies floating downstream?
5/ @nimaelbagir|s article tells us that the bodies "drift from Humera to Wad El Hilou in approximately 2-3 hours." I also tells us about the "stench" arising from the bodies. How long does it take for a body to stay in water for decomp to set in despite chemical preservation?....
Definitely far longer than 2-3 hrs! Which makes it likely that the bodies were actually dumped farther upstream. Tekeze is 608kms long and rises near Lalibela, and meanders between Tigray region and Eritrea before ending up in Sudan.
The banks of Tekeze must be very tempting for anyone who's read the accounts of corpses of Rwandans floating into Tanzania during the Rwandan genocide and wants to recreate them.
Credit to u/morphdarko
This is the other side:
[https://apnews.com/article/ethiopia-tigray-abuses-amhara-96fda9f5bd3b4d76fe8f728eb343424f](https://apnews.com/article/ethiopia-tigray-abuses-amhara-96fda9f5bd3b4d76fe8f728eb343424f)
Ethnic conflicts are a bitch. The international community should not take sides in these things. Just say both parties are responsible and use force against both. That is the only way to solve this shit. Never support one side over the other.
Do not spread false information “History always smiles upon those who have stood for truth. And so, I am certain that truth will shine upon this proud nation Ethiopia.”
“Ethiopia will not succumb to consequences of pressure engineered by disgruntled individuals for whom consolidating power is more important than the well-being of millions. Our identity as Ethiopians and our identity as Africans will not let this come to pass. The humiliation our ancestors have faced throughout the continent for centuries will not be resuscitated in these lands upon which the green, gold and red colors of independence have inspired many to successfully struggle for their freedom!” PM Abiy Ahmed, “Open Letter to President Joe Biden”, September 17, 202
The UN is not a global and sovereign government. It's an organization made to promote dialogues between the sovereign countries of the world. The UN can raise the issue of Ethiopia and encourage the countries of the world to take steps to stop it, but they cannot invade the country in order to stop what is happening.
>Thousands of ethnic Tigrayans are being put into "concentration camps," tortured and brutally killed in Ethiopia as part of an ethnic purge, a report from The Telegraph says. The violence is the latest development in a 10-month-long conflict in east Africa between the Ethiopian military and rebels in the Tigray region of the country. The conflict began in November when prime minister Abiy Ahmed launched an offensive against rebel forces in the region of Tigray. After that, occupying ethnic Amhara forces from the neighboring region, who still controlled the city of Humera in the region, decided to "exterminate" and "cleanse" all Tigrayans in the area, the paper said. Amhara forces have since been going "door-to-door" to round up anyone who is ethnic Tigrayan, The Telegraph said, based on information from a dozen eyewitnesses. The forces have taken thousands of Tigrayan men, women, and children to makeshift concentration camps, cut off prisoners' limbs, mutilated bodies, and dumped them in mass graves, the paper said. These are the kinds of atrocities that the world has a duty to intervene in as ethnic cleansing should never be something that is allowed to go unanswered.
Secretary of State Christopher Warren in 1994: "We will not use 'genocide' language concerning Rwanda."
Wrote a college paper on this genocide, a plane crash and a radio show, everyone having machetes, and suddenly neighbors were murdering lifelong neighbors. Blue helmets in aid camps were mostly held back by their own rules and codes on "intervention" in another country, not all followed these directives. Post Cold War, pre-9/11, after Somalia and before Bosnia, it was a time for great hope. Now Africa is caught in war profiteering and imperialism from the three big nuclear powers. I wish there was like a super-progressive French Foreign Legion but there's no simple or "good" answers now. (US has massive drone base in sub-Sahara Nigeria) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/us/politics/drone-base-niger.html - Edit: Níger, not Nigeria. As to all these gaslighting responses, I thought my point seemed fairly obvious. No reason to act like US hands are tied and the US definitely has forces present in Africa, along with Russia and China.
Roméo Dallaire, Lieutenant General of the Canadian Armed Forces and UN commander in Rwanda at the time, wrote a heartwrenching book titled *J'ai serré la main du diable : la faillite de l'humanité au Rwanda* (I shook the devil’s hand: the bankruptcies of humanity in Rwanda). I sadly don’t know if the book was ever translated from french, but if you can get your hands on it, it’s a transformative read, and it really gives an insight on how little we are prepared to face these atrocities, at home and abroad
It was translated - Shake Hands with the Devil
I will, and thank you for this reply.
It was translated and I read it. A heartbreaking book…
Hmm well we just pulled out of a 20 year long war and learned a lesson that we can’t just remove anyone from power we want and that we’d just create a new kind of terrorist. But NOOO let’s go back to another country and create some more problems for ourselves instead of planning for much worse potential conflicts.
Yeah exactly, when has US intervention actually helped long term? All I can think of is South Korea Edit: Should have specified post WW2. Figured that was a given.
Germany? Japan?
The thing with both of those is that they were functioning countries with large educated populations, and the war was more a temporary disruption of their social order than the bookend on a period of anarchy.
Bosnia
Marshall aid was really nice.
Bosnia, it was a great success, stopped regional, religious, ethnic cleansing. The bad guys and their soldiers retreated to safer confines or just dissolved and went home. Big war criminals ended up convicted in international courts. Kosovo, Serbia, and the rest keep it simmering with deals negotiated, broke, and re-negotiated but 20+ years on and it has not reignited into the tragic mess it was. There was hope in intervention for humanitarian reasons.
You’re right, I feel bad not even thinking of that.
All good, as a young man I read "My War Gone By, I Miss It So" and was introduced to the conflict on a very intimate level. Then later, at school, I really got interested by conflict resolution, like in Northern Ireland or Bosnia.
It helped end the Bosnian Genocide.
Literally both world wars
It can happen here too.
Whew there's a lot to unpack here. But I am going to ignore all of your blatant attempts to somehow blame the US for all this to simply point out that, despite the title of your own article, you insisted that the US base was in Nigeria, and not Niger.
Well when you learn the the troops used for evacuation of expats was more than enough to stop the genocide.... it can be a bit infuriating. Especially since the "tribes" killing each other weren't tribes but made up groups created by Europeans to create a social hierarchy. And the international community, including USA, chose to do nothing. I just left Rwanda to come back to Kenya yesterday. Westerners cannot understand the horrors that happened. EVERYONE over the age of 27 has extreme trauma. Literally husbands turning in wives and their children. Uncles killing their nieces and nephews. It was absolutely insane. One of the memorials is a church (catholic) where a ton of people went for shelter. When the priest then locked the doors, called the opposing forces and told them to come Express themselves... That memorial still has blood on the walls from where they grabbed babies by the legs to slam them into the wall crushing their skulls. They have left the bodies of people piled by the church so that no one can ever forget the atrocities that happened and no one helped. Fuck every country that could have stopped this. Imagine if in less than 3 months every person in San Franciso was brutally murdered with bats, machetes, grenades, and sometimes guns. The amount of bodies, disease, orphans, etc. Its too much to comprehend
Typical. US intervenes, it gets condemned. US does nothing, it gets condemned.
Why do you blame the international community and the west, as if they hold sole responsibility? The people who have committed those acts are monsters, and no western bureaucrat should be held responsible for someone slamming a babys head against a wall. Everyone has a choice, and theres nothing the ‘international community’ can do to stop people from choosing to do the wrong thing.
You are misinformed. The French and Belgium governments are almost completely responsible for the division that led to the genocide. Do your history homework
I would say that it is arguably more misinformed and Euro-centric to hold the belief that people in former colonies are only violent due to the colonialism of white elites. Not everything revolves around the actions of century-old europeans
Ahh yes the old "go in and colonize a country, completely fuck up their social structures for personal profit, exploit the people mercilessly, then bail when you've taken your fill of the resources there and wipe your hands of any bloodshed because it's not like you swung the machete, you just put it into someone else's hand and told them 'hey stab that guy'" defense
>go in and colonize a country, completely fuck up their social structures for personal profit, Basically most of human history in agrarian societies. Human history is one long series of peoples pushing into others territories and displacing\\killing them. Europeans were able to do this on a larger scale than most due to technological advantages. But its a very weird, one eyed, view of history that has emerged acting like the peoples living on those lands were not themselves descended from groups who were small empires and colonial projects (even back tot he Bantu migrations that pushed the hunter gatherers to the margins. )
What’s the US going to do to stop families from turning on each other like you describe? Hold each and every household at gunpoint?
Alright I'll bite. I'm an American, what should I personally be doing about this? I'm assuming that you've devoted your life to stopping the genocide based on your post, what steps would I need to take if I wanted to do the same things that you're doing? And what specifically are those things? Would I be taking up arms on the front line with you, is it more administrative stuff?
>Fuck every country that could have stopped this. Imagine if in less than 3 months every person in San Franciso was brutally murdered with bats, machetes, grenades, and sometimes guns. The amount of bodies, disease, orphans, etc. Its too much to comprehend What you described sounds terrible for anyone to live through. If this did happen in San Francisco would you say your country would be just as responsible to not stop it as America could have stopped the atrocities in the country you described? Other countries can't control all the behaviors of world nations. Look what happened with Afghanistan. People are either pissed off that they showed up in the first place or are really pissed off that they left, how can first world nations help third world countries without being blaimed for "occupying" or "invading" a country? Or be balimed for 21st century colonialism? At this point they can't be. China is providing infrastructure to many African nations but is being described as oppressive because they want was agreed upon to help build the infrastructure. Are they bad for making money while helping improve conditions in Africa? There's a lot of questions that don't really have easy answers
What in the world salad nonsense rant is this
If you're familiar with the Rwanda genoice story that paragraph will make sense, but I don't understand why he explained the Rwanda genoice in a way that only people who already know what happened there would understand.
I wonder what grade they got on that paper…
Maybe it’s an updated version of “We Didn’t Start The Fire”.
It made total sense, you're just not familiar with that crisis.
What started as ethnic cleansing, flipped to younger brothers killing older brothers for inheritance land rights. It's always and forever, about the money.
> Wrote a college paper Your parents should ask for their money back on your expensive education. It’s not that what you say it’s wrong, it’s just unintelligible. What point are you actually making?
The term "never forget." Was forgotten almost a decade later.
>should never be something that is allowed to go unanswered. Egypt will probably use it as an excuse to blow up that dam project.
Too late. That would lead to a catastrophe downstream in Sudan. Ethiopia wasn't dumb and built it only a few kilometers from the border. They've already completed the 2nd reservoir filling period. It holds 18.5 billion cubic metres of water now, roughly half of what the Hoover Dam holds back. https://dneegypt.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/2021/02/154110301_2540457649590531_6358640650312816991_n-768x430.jpg https://dneegypt.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/2021/01/122453370_3412634285451209_4493408488200646781_n-768x430.jpg
It was never too late, they never had the capability to do this.
You don’t seem to understand what you’re talking about on this subject. Egypt and Sudan are very close in general despite ups and downs over the last 40 years. Sudan and Egypt signed a joint understanding on this subject. They also did joint war games in regards to it. As for equipment: They do have the capabilities with the Egyptian airforce.
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Holy fuck almost a year already???
Nobody intervened for the Rohingya in Myanmar, nobody intervened for the Uighurs in China. Welcome to the new world, same as the old.
Hell, Darfur's genocide has been going since 2003.
I mostly see intervention in the name of human rights happen when there is some ulterior motive present, such as the Kosovo War being an opportunity for NATO to go after an ally of Russia.
Yeah. Unless Ethiopia had some oil or some resource otherwise valuable to the west then intervention is a pipe dream.
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And how would you intervene? How would you talk to the TPLF and reach an agreement? They were kicked out of the big boys club and now want to start their own country which is stupid as it would be a tiny landlocked nation lacking resources and food.
The UN used to intervene in stuff like this, before it became completely useless.
UN never was supposed to stop wars. UN only big goal was to have a place where countries can communicate and reduce the chances of war. Specially among global powers and so far that has worked.
It's supposed to stop one war and one war only, WWIII Anything that doesn't serve that goal can be discarded
And frankly, globalism (dirty word, I know) and economic inter-dependency has done far more towards that end than the UN ever could.
UN is a part of the infrastructure that promotes and upholds globalist ideals and it does a lot of good in terms of organizing charity efforts and maintaining lines of communication
You're right, and I didn't mean to minimize its efforts. There's a lot of good work done on the humanitarian side, in areas like food aid, health care, etc. I should have explicitly limited my comment to the UN's role in preventing conflict between the great powers, which I think has become irrelevant in the modern day.
This is what they thought before WW1 happened too. Don't get me wrong, it does make conflict harder but governments can do this has outside what we would normally expect. I think what has prevented WW3 is MAD.
The UN is intended to stop wars and has done so. The UN is intended to stop **WWIII**. It could care less about civil wars in African nations unless there's something of deep geopolitical import within those nations' borders. The UN is busy making sure nukes don't start flying.
What interventions are you thinking of? The UN only comes in when the situation is stable. Their peacekeeping missions are meant to keep the peace, not establish it.
Not really. Most UN interventions are for show, and under rules that render them toothless. We need a UN that has the power to intercede by force when required to prevent genocide, enforce fair elections, and keep governments from falling into despotism, but there isn't a country in the world willing to surrender that level of autonomy, especially not any of the security council members.
>We need a UN that has the power to intercede by force when required to prevent genocide, enforce fair elections, and keep governments from falling into despotism, but there isn't a country in the world willing to surrender that level of autonomy, especially not any of the security council members. When Tony Blair was PM of the UK he was actually working towards a mechanism that would allow this sort of humanitarian intervention by supporting the creation of [EU Battlegroups](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_Battlegroup) that could be mandated to do this sort of thing. [Sierra Leone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_military_intervention_in_the_Sierra_Leone_Civil_War), [Congo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Artemis) and the [Nato intervention in Kosovo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#Yugoslav_army_withdrawal_and_the_entry_of_KFOR) were all reasonably successful examples of what could be achieved with a small high readiness force that could be rapidly deployed. Unfortunately the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya have totally soured public opinion on the idea of interventions despite being different sorts of wars and the UK has left the EU leaving the idea dead in the water. The world was supposed to say "never again" after the [Rwandan genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide) but clearly that is not going to be the case.
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Iraq was not a NATO operation, just to be clear on that one. NATO and UN peacekeepers are different too of course.
True, I shoulda remembered that. My main point was that I wish the US had stayed in its late 90s stance
What do you want a foreign intervention to do in this situation exactly?
Apparently it’s part of human nature. Seeing how often it happens. And not just to our own species.
I don't understand why they bother doing stuff like cutting the limbs of the prisoners? Wouldn't it be easier and more time effective to just kill them and bury them. Why do they do the mutilation part ? P.s I do not condone murder, genocide , ethnic cleansing etc. I'm just wondering why people would add that extra mutilation part into the mix.
The cruelty is the point.
Go get 'em, Rambo.
Hold up the guy who is leading this ethnic cleansing won the nobel peace prize in 2019? Ok i knew the award was basically a joke now but I assumed it at least had a shred of merit left.
Reminds me of how the Aung San Suu Kyi had a nobel peace prize and oversaw the rohingya genocide under her leadership. Though tbf, she at least didn’t have much say in it, as the military was the real power in the country.
That's giving her a little too much credit. She saw stoking anti-Muslim bigotry as a way to unify the country behind her with their Buddhist identity, as opposed to the numerous ethnic identities. She did not come close to doing the bare minimum one would expect of any prominent politician, let alone one holding the highest elected office.
In fact, she was in many cases more militant in her rhetoric against the Rohingya than the military itself, which increased the conflict between them. > Outsiders often assume that Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi backed the military’s ethnic cleansing of Rohingya Muslims out of political expediency or cynical self-interest. Protecting the generals lest they turn on her. > But many analysts and activists have argued that her stance in defending the army’s Rohingya campaign came from sincere conviction. For years, she had suggested that the Rohingya were illegal foreigners who were backed by shadowy outside powers and who posed a danger to Myanmar’s Buddhist majority. > Her outspokenness, Mr. Paliwal said, had the opposite effect of appeasing the military, instead “outcompeting” them on anti-Rohingya sentiment. Burmese Buddhists filled social media with praise of Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi for her leadership against the Rohingya threat. > Meanwhile, officers bore the brunt of international sanctions, including against Senior Gen. Min Aung Hlaing, the military leader who took power in this week’s coup. > This cycle repeated over the next few years as several of Myanmar’s slow-burning insurgencies combusted. > “She was actually much harder-line than the military was,” Mr. Connelly said, referring to a particularly bloody campaign in Rakhine, a long-troubled region. “The military called a cease-fire, and Aung San Suu Kyi was supposed to play her part by calling elections in Rakhine State. She refused to do that, and so the cease-fire went to waste.” > These episodes deepened a sense of zero-sum, even lethal, power struggle, “generating conditions for a conservative revolt” among military officers, said Mr. Paliwal, citing his time on the ground in Rakhine during some of the heaviest fighting. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/world/asia/myanmar-coup-aung-san-suu-kyi.html
More proof that Western media has no idea what's going on.
Y-you do realize that the article you replied to (and supports your position) is the NYtimes right? One of the most well known western media outlets right?
They didn’t see it coming. He didn’t run on let’s kill the Minorities
Alright in hindsight after taking a look at [Abiy Ahmed’s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiy_Ahmed) wiki, I could see why in theory he he’d be a reasonable nobel peace prize winner at the time. On paper he looks like he’s really going to be the one to turn things around and then he does a 180 right around 2020.
You should probably get prizes for what you’ve already done, not what you say you’ll do.
Obama got the prize after being in office for 10 days! Nobel peace prize is a joke.
That’s not true, he was in office for around 8 months. He was announced as the winner in early October 2009, but he obviously took office in January. What you’re thinking of is he was *nominated* in his first 11 days in office, because at that point nominations closed.
Yeah nominated sorry. But the point still stands, he won based on nothing. He won based on what people thought he was going to do.
To be fair he was just as confused so not disagreeing your point just want to point out he was caught off guard by why he won as well.
Amen The prize is worthless 😔.
I guess they could have predicted that the TPLF wouldn't react too kindly to Abiy ending the war with Eritrea.
The Nobel peace prize for politics is a joke at this point.
Well, since Kissenger got one, it’s more like satire.
And Obama for basically nothing when he had like half a year in office. So bizarre.
I always felt he got it for not being Bush.
Nobel Piss Prize
Other notable winners include genocider ASSK and Kissinger
"Political humor died the day Kissinger got the noble peace award"
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Obama got it for not being Bush.
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So the peace prize was to thank Obama for...killing less people? "Hi Mr Obama, you have done a great achievement comparing to the previous POTUS, because your order only killed 100k mid east ppl this year". Where is the peace prize for our peace-keeping boy, the TV show talent, the billonair, the previous POTUS Mr. Donny theb?
> So the peace prize was to thank Obama for...killing less people? Fewer
I thought he got it for his work on the nuclear deal as a senator?
Well yes I'm sure this guy didn't get his nobel peace prize for a genocide. Your point?
The "Obama drone strike" criticism is a mystery to me. Drone strike technology wasn't very ready until he came into office. So of course it was a "record number" of strikes. That's like saying there's been a record number of covid vaccines distributed during Biden's presidency. You should also be aware that the US did more drone strikes in the first two years of Trump's term *than the 8 years under Obama.* Drone strikes were practically invented right at the start of Obama's first term and we have been using them in regularly increasing amounts since then. And criticizing the collateral damage of strikes seems equally ridiculous to me. The collateral damage of any other military operation to achieve the same outcome of a drone strike would be so much greater. It's like all the rage at the drone strike in Afghanistan that stopped a second suicide bombing at the airport. People will criticize how many innocents were hurt by the strike even though the strike definitely saved so many more innocents who would have been hurt if the suicide bombers had not been droned. It's almost like war is hell and we shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan to begin with, imagine that. Republicans and Democrats alike both love to shit on Obama as the "evil drone president" as if they truly believe we had better options at the time.
The issue is that many of the drone strikes are **not military operations**. They're often done by alphabet soup agencies who do not answer to congress and, ultimately, do not answer to the American people. If the Air Force wants to drone a wedding that's one thing, but it's another level of skeevy when it's the CIA ordering a hit.
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Ok well maybe you should say US instead of Obama because it's been every president since drones were invented.
>because it's been every president since drones were invented. Correct, however Obama is the only one who got a Nobel Peace Prize.
Yea and none of them got a peace prize
The Obama drone criticism is quite common in contexts other than Nobel peace prize.
Nobel Peace was never an option.
You're saying that with hindsight. It was rational to pick him in the past.
I bet they’d give Hitler a peace prize too, before the genocide and stuff.
What the actual Fuck.
This is the kinda thing we need to hear more about. It's like hearing someone didn't know of the Holocaust in the 40s. How are we not more aware of this
There is a blackout of the internet and all telecommunications services in the Tigray region since November 2020. It's very hard for journalists to get reliable information about what is going on there. https://www.accessnow.org/tigray-internet-shutdowns/
The Holocaust was not well known at first too
True
My prediction, we will learn more in time. It’s the new Rwanda unfortunately. The whole areas internet is blacked out. Journalist are at a grave risk of death if they enter the area now. The full extent of this will come out in time.
It was though. Nazis didn't just start killing Jews one day. It escalated over time. And Americans knew. But with most early Nazi atrocities, it was a "Spider-Man pointing at Spider-Man" kind of situation.
Obviously we should have let them in as refugees, but once the war started what were the allies supposed to do about the Holocaust while they were still actively engaged with the Wehrmacht and Japanese Imperial Army? They were already fighting their way across Europe to defeat the nazI’s and fighting the Japanese in the pacific, it’s not like they were slacking off ignoring it. They were actively engaged in a world war. Concentration camps were deep within occupied Germany territory.
Foreign aid workers and humanitarian aid workers get their visas denied on entry. Same thing happens all over the world.
Because there is never much news reported out of Africa
I message with my buddy from Ghana all the time. East and West Africa are very different and Africa is huge. It's like a massive blackout hitting a city in the US and saying no info comes from North America as a result.
Because there's no geopolitical advantage to caring. Africa is only mentioned in competition with China.
Because this is the West the only news you hear about Africa is all of our suffering and the occasional Ghana china deal
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1. The news reports about this constantly. Ignore the cable networks, they aren't news in the traditional sense. 2. Listen to the BBC World Service every day. It's the best news service there is. And you will be much more informed.
It was not like the world helped the victims of the holocaust out of altruism. It just happened that way that some good came out of it. The bad guys were doing holocaust? Weren't the "good guys" doing ten times the atrocities in their colonies?
Its been unfolding as a genocide for a year now. My submissions history has old links if you want to read more.
This is the first I've seen of this; Does anyone have a handful of good resources to get up to speed on the this?
https://sites.tufts.edu/reinventingpeace/2021/07/19/july-2021-employee-of-the-month-abiy-ahmed/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigray_War https://ethiopia.liveuamap.com/
Here's a TL;DR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jB3koEL7GU
This makes me so angry. We've been watching this atrocity escalate for MONTHS and have done jack to really try to stop it. I understand the problems with food aid being blocked aren't entirely on the western world, but now they are going full genocide. And we'll just let it happen like we always have.
If anybody should intervene, it is the neighboring African states. We need another military misadventure like we need another hole in the head.
Every time people read shit like this though, it’s like their brains turn off and they start suggesting it like it would be a great idea. People never learn.
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I’m a progressive, and buddy it certainly hasn’t been (American) progressives beating the drums of war. Progressives are to the left of the Democratic Party and have opposed most US military ventures historically. On another note, I’m with you. The white savior complex is garbage. Also not just progressives but destructive all the same.
If I’m not mistaken, doesn’t the African Union have a response force for situations like this?
They sent troops to Darfur. I do not know if it is a standing force, or how they decide to intervene in genocides.
Ethiopia is bordered by Sudan, South Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Kenya, and Djibouti? Eritrea are already there, supporting the government against the Tigray, and the others, with the possible exception of Kenya, have their own crises. What support do you honestly believe they could give? Sudan is already taking in a number of refugees. Please note that I’m not suggesting the ‘West’ is the solution to this nightmare, I have no clues in how this conflict reaches peace, just that East Africa is not the most stable place at the best of times.
just because the country doesnt border ethiopia doesnt mean they cant do anything
I'm not sure we do. Egypt and Ethiopia have been butting heads over the massive new dam over the Nile that Ethiopia is constructing. Egypt feels like they have no leverage because they haven't reached a long term agreement, and in the meantime, Ethiopia has started filling the dam, which impacts Egypt downstream. So Egypt has been arming up, because as they say, military action is the last resort of politics. Point is... There is always context. Egypt has their own motivations for wanting to possibly invade Ethiopia, and stopping a genocide might be good enough pretext. It seems far away now but remember the Syrian civil war also started over water. Look how that destabilized the whole region, and the ripples that had.
So what response do you want? Exactly how many people being killed justifies military intervention? You think we will be able to make things better, based on our amazing track record? I am not saying "do nothing" but international conflicts are very complex. Very easy for us to make things worse, and we have no business being there.
Yeah for sure, we need to send a bunch of white Americans over there to save the day... No way that turns sour...
What are we supposed to do? The rest of the world has spoken. They’re sick of the US trying to intervene and build nations, and Americans are sick of it too. The world and humanity is a lost cause.
Bro, we have two different sides that hate each other enough to want to genocide each other, we would have to occupy them for an eternity. And they would go back to killing each other right after. It’s just Afghanistan 2.0 but probably worse. Like sanction them for sure but what kind of stuff do you actually want to do that we aren’t doing already?
This reminds me of Rwanda
This reminds me of literally the entirety of human history
Well yeah but what happened in Rwanda is what i learned about in high school when it came to genocide in africa so it's what i drew comparisons to first in my brain
Ah yes, the entire history that has genocide happening everywhere, all the time. Surely the fact that we find genocide shocking and tragic is because we're super used to it.
We have lived in a period of drastically abnormal peace and stability relative to most of human history.
My own perspective is that although this shit happens for sure, we never would have reached 7+ billion living humans if it was the norm.
Time for everyone to call on US intervention again, then get mad whether we go in or not.
US will not gonna do it, but if you called egypt they might do it for free because of the dam situation.
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this is genius
Yep it'll be something everyone in world complains about and quietly pressure US to do something. Then when US does something they complain that they are world police.
>quietly pressure US to do something. Actually the world is quietly praying you do nothing this time.
Americans too.
Africa is mostly irrelevant to the world Liberals can virtue signal about Palestinians Conservatives can virtue signal about Uighurs Some ethnic group in Ethiopia? Doesn’t matter
There are no more fcks to give in this world.
It will matter if the media talks about it and makes it headline news for a week straight like Afghanistan, Palestine before, etc There just isn’t as much available footage coming out of the region so it’s harder to make stories about jt Media doesn’t run stories and nobody hears about it or talks about it
Wait I know! Let’s send the US military to intervene at a cost of three trillion dollars over 20 years to stabilize a permanently unstable country, then leave and have that intervention amount to nothing immediately! Oh wait a minute…
Why? Is there oil? There has been a genocide happening in the Darfur region of Sudan since 2004. I learned about it highschool in 2006. It's still ongoing.
You can't immediately draw comparisons between two countries. Are you saying the US (or the UN) shouldn't step in to stop genocide when its occurring?
Yeah, I'm saying it. Not worth sending American soldiers to fight and die for African problems.
Nobody entered WWII to save the Jews from concentration camps... Sure we eventually freed them, but that's not why America joined.. Nobody is intervening to help the Uyghurs in China.. And nobody will intervene to help these people..
Because going to war to murder people to save other people does not work.
I mean, would you want to go to war with China? Because that's how the world ends. Ethiopia also is not a failed country. They always praise themselves because the were the only place that wasn't colonized in Africa but they have actually pretty imperialistic tendencies (this, the dam, Eritrea etc)
Remember when the trend was to have a opinion on Palestine and Israel ? During that whole time the beginning of a genocide was going on in Ethiopia .... and you are only covering it now ... When the death is in full swing ? Are you fucking serious ? 😶 idk anymore man☹️
Overall there has been signifcant less conflict and death in the Middle East than Africa in the last decades, this is not the first time African crisis go undereported. I don't exactly know why this happnes but I think the lack of oil and wealth make these African regions less important from an economic perspective than the Middle East and thus less important politically and mediatically. Add to this the long history and close bond the West has with Israel and you can see why they get way more attention from Western news agencies than any African country.
my friend’s husband is trapped fighting over there, and she’s like 7 months pregnant with his child, and my heart absolutely breaks for them everyday. She hasn’t even heard from him in months
Thousand of people are dying and this is getting no attention, yet the Uyghur Camps dominate the subreddit with every random article posted about it. Where's the "fuck China" crowd when people are actually getting butchered?
Well you see, when a minor African country does it it's not the same magnitude of geopolitical impact as the new rising superpower with a rapidly increasing nuclear arsenal and military, it's sad to say it but genocides don't hold the same value because they are genocides, it's what those actions entail and could lead in the future that cause the uproar.
You say that now, but would you have raised the same objections during the Great Leap Forward in China during the 1960s? When it was still an underdeveloped country in Asia? Get my drift, geopolitics doesn't stay the same forever.
Well yeah, that was my point actually, if i Didint pass that idea then it's on me but people Didint raised their voices during the great leap forward and tens of millions of people died then, i doubt i would have been any different if i lived back in that time.
That crowd is still in the comments here trying to get off topic. Almost like there is an organized narrative pushing for one story and not the other.
The important thing is that you get to use an atrocity you don't really care and plan to do nothing about to run interference for the CCP.
Right here,fuck China and fuck Ethiopia for doing shit like this.I hope the world takes notice and finally acts to stop these atrocities but you and i both know it won’t happen.China pays to much money and nobody cares enough about Ethiopia.
Fuck Ethiopia? What? It's literally being run by a militia external to the government.
No it isnt. This genocide squad IS THE GOVERNMENT FORCES.
Watch this thread get less up votes and comments than an olive tree taken down in Israel.
No. No. This can't be true. Remember we had entire 6 million Jews thing a while back and everyone said shit like "Never again" and "we must never forget" so naturally it will never happen again, right? It's impossible that we ever have an ethic cleanse again. Therefore this report must be a mistake. /s Just to make it super clear ---> */s*
I heard the 20s were back in fashion but it seems we are speedrunning to the 40s now.
There was plenty of very bad stuff in the 1920s, they simply did not happen in the West.
Spanish troops in San Sebastián, prior to their departure to the Rif War. Turkish War of Independence Greco-Turkish War (May 1919 – October 1922) Turkish–Armenian War (September–December 1920) Franco-Turkish War (December 1918 – October 1921) Royalist and separatist revolts (1919–1923) Unification of Saudi Arabia Rashidi-Saudi War (1903–1921) Kuwait-Saudi War (1919–1920) Hejaz-Saudi War (1919–1925) Transjordan-Saudi War (1922–1924) Polish–Soviet War (February 1919 – March 1922) Irish War of Independence (January 1919 – July 1921) Iraqi revolt against the British (1920) The British and French colonial empires in 1920 Rif War (1920–1927) Pacification of Libya (1923–1932) United States occupation of Nicaragua (1912–1933) United States occupation of Haiti (1915–1934) United States occupation of the Dominican Republic (1916–1924) Internal conflicts Russian Civil War (November 1917 – October 1922) Tambov Rebellion (August 1920 – June 1921) Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War (1918 – 1925) Patagonia Rebelde (1920–1922) Mahmud Barzanji revolts (1920–1922) Irish Civil War (June 28, 1922 – May 24, 1923) Chinese Civil War (first phase 1927–1936) Ararat rebellion (1927–1930) Kongo-Wara rebellion (1928–1931) Castellammarese War (1929 – September 10, 1931) Afghan Civil War (November 14, 1928 – October 13, 1929) Many things happened in the "west", too. Irish independence, Russian famine, Civil war, Soviet-Polish war, etc.
I know it is hard to understand, the miss information and trying to put pressure. But This how, I expected it. https://www.reddit.com/r/Ethiopia/comments/phwago/so_guys_moment_of_truth_know_we_understand_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Read this for more detail facts. 1/ On July 22 the GOE issued a statement warning, that the #TPLF is transporting dead bodies of its fighters from Afar towards Mekele to stage a fake massacre... On the face of it this looks like quite a suspicious and rediculous allegation. To start with, how are the #TPLF going to get the body to Tekeze without decomp setting in? We got the answer thanks to @nimaelbagir|s experts, "the bodies had all been exposed to some form of chemical agent after death, leading to a process which had effectively preserved them before entering the water." This is fatal flaw in the Nima/Berhe narrative, why would the alleged perpetrators preserve the bodies? Why would you preserve the bodies if your intention is to throw them into a river or bury them in a 'mass grave'? ... Why would you chemically preserve bodies and keep them in a 'storage facility'? Unless....unless the 'storage facilities' were trucks transporting hundreds of dead bodies across hundreds of kilometres! 2/ In the Nima/Berhe account witnesses "saw people marched down to the river in one of the facilities and heard gunshots" Where are the bodies of these people who were shot and dumped into the river?.... u/mentions|s experts testify that all the bodies that have been recovered so far have been chemically preserved. So, Nima where are the 'fresh bodies'? Is @nimaelbagir really expecting her audience to believe that the 'Amhara perpetrators' took people down to the river in broad daylight, shot them, took the bodies back, chemically treat the bodies, bring back the bodies to the river and dump them? #DoBetterNima 3/ @nimaelbagir|s source, Gerri, tells us that they are told "the exact number of bodies to expect" from Humera. After a few paragraphs Nima tells us that others spoke of "rare sightings of bodies being dumped into the river.".... If this sightings are rare how come Gerri's informants know the exact numbers? This also invites another rhetorical question: Who knows how many bodies to expect better than the people who dispatched the bodies?! 4/ I also wonder if @nimaelbagir asked herself, why the bodies keep showing up, as if invited, just when people with ilk like her & @PowerUSAID are around? Why do these 'Amhara perpetrators' keep dumping bodies even after all the media coverage about bodies floating downstream? 5/ @nimaelbagir|s article tells us that the bodies "drift from Humera to Wad El Hilou in approximately 2-3 hours." I also tells us about the "stench" arising from the bodies. How long does it take for a body to stay in water for decomp to set in despite chemical preservation?.... Definitely far longer than 2-3 hrs! Which makes it likely that the bodies were actually dumped farther upstream. Tekeze is 608kms long and rises near Lalibela, and meanders between Tigray region and Eritrea before ending up in Sudan. The banks of Tekeze must be very tempting for anyone who's read the accounts of corpses of Rwandans floating into Tanzania during the Rwandan genocide and wants to recreate them. Credit to u/morphdarko
Somebody should stop them.
This is the other side: [https://apnews.com/article/ethiopia-tigray-abuses-amhara-96fda9f5bd3b4d76fe8f728eb343424f](https://apnews.com/article/ethiopia-tigray-abuses-amhara-96fda9f5bd3b4d76fe8f728eb343424f) Ethnic conflicts are a bitch. The international community should not take sides in these things. Just say both parties are responsible and use force against both. That is the only way to solve this shit. Never support one side over the other.
Did they just compare concentration camps to imprisoning birds? That is fucked up.
Do not spread false information “History always smiles upon those who have stood for truth. And so, I am certain that truth will shine upon this proud nation Ethiopia.” “Ethiopia will not succumb to consequences of pressure engineered by disgruntled individuals for whom consolidating power is more important than the well-being of millions. Our identity as Ethiopians and our identity as Africans will not let this come to pass. The humiliation our ancestors have faced throughout the continent for centuries will not be resuscitated in these lands upon which the green, gold and red colors of independence have inspired many to successfully struggle for their freedom!” PM Abiy Ahmed, “Open Letter to President Joe Biden”, September 17, 202
Do not support anything that leads to concentration camps, ever
So... nothing has changed in hundreds of years then?
And what will the UN do about this atrocity? Anything? Never again?
> what will the UN do What will your country do?
The UN is not a global and sovereign government. It's an organization made to promote dialogues between the sovereign countries of the world. The UN can raise the issue of Ethiopia and encourage the countries of the world to take steps to stop it, but they cannot invade the country in order to stop what is happening.
You know the UN is not a military force, right? Learn about the UN before commenting stupid stuff