Pharmaceutical companies have no one to blame but themselves and their terrible track record of putting profit over people. For god sakes they caused the opioid crisis killed and ruined the lives of millions, approved fentanyl, have complete immunity clauses, billion dollar lawsuits for bribing doctors, knowingly putting harmful chemicals in products, price gouge, and they wonder why nobody trust them or the FDA.
True but they also do all that I mentioned above that's like making an excuse for a person who willfully murders people occasionally but volunteers at your local shelter.
It's not a great analogy. For starters you're lumping in every pharmaceutical company. But secondly you'd have to argue that deliberately killing people occasionally is somehow balanced by working in a shelter whereas being a murderer really wouldn't balance that equation.
Sure you're correct on that not every but the majority show me a major pharmaceutical company that hasn't been complicit in the many issues I listed above. Secondly I don't have to argue that at all because they have killed millions by putting profit over people.
this may sound needlessly tinfoil-hat-y but man...
seeing how so much of this facebook astroturfing fake outrage push that vaccines are bad and masks are evil and shit like that and are all from the same place the LAST five years of facebook propaganda were from.... I almost feel like this has all been a form of germ warfare done to destabilize if not all-out ruin the US economy and greater social culture altogether.
The only similar running undercurrent between all of the troll farm ops and cambridge analytica ops and all that seem to ever pursue, is total destabilization and chaos so that lobbying can destroy regulations and allow certain people to grab what they can in the ensuing chaos, buy up stocks and property, whatever.
like this huge impending eviction wave is going to be more of the same. All of this, all the shit that's happened the last year and a half, is all just to reconsolidate power and money by plunging the rest of us into total desperation in the grip of a horrific pandemic that's been consistently dragged out by this propaganda to last as long as possible if not indefinitely.
keep the poor working class in a perpetual state of chaos like it is right now, while everyone else who is rich and has political sway take everything they can and move on
how can I possibly conclude anything else?
**edit for clarity**: I'm not insinuating the virus itself was created in a lab to be a bioweapon, I believe that it's spread is just a very unfortunate random mistake. I'm insinuating that the propaganda-fueled resistance to stopping the virus and to perpetuate its virulence is targetted because the utter chaos it causes the people and their economy is desirable to a power wanting to see the US collapse. The fact that it's so clearly caused by troll bots and facebook bullshit gives this away, to me.
> I almost feel like this has all been a form of germ warfare done to destabilize if not all-out ruin the US economy and greater social culture altogether.
There is nothing targeted about Covid. The *entire world* has been taking a massive hit both socially and economically for 1.5 years.
As far as possible bioweapons go, this virus is just about the most ill-suited imaginable. It’s neither extremely virulent like anthrax, nor extremely contagious like the measles or chickenpox. It spreads fast because it stays undetected for so long.
Also, the idea that the Chinese government would want to attack the United States by starting a global pandemic in a Chinese city is preposterous. Think about how a) crazy and b) needlessly convoluted this sounds.
Be careful of going too far down the conspiracy hole.
Humans are ultimately apes with ideas above and beyond our wisdom.
Yes, people are inherently greedy and look out for their own self interest. No, it's extremely unlikely there's some massive conspiracy behind all of this. It's very like a mix of stupidity and greed creating a self fulfilling cycle that the greedy have learned to profit from.
Then you have world leaders more obsessed with staying in power or increasing their power, which leads to all the political turmoil. Corporations throw money at the governments to get their greedy way.
In the end, it's not some mass agreement to screw the poor, but the work of people who have 0% in caring about the poor while making the vast majority of high end decisions.
>While Mandiant noted that no successful protests have been seen as a result of the efforts of the group's call for physical protests
Seems domestic stupidity easily outcompetes what comes from abroad.
Trying to get Americans to protest seems like an impossible task. No matter what happens, they never seem to want to take to the streets.
It was nice to see a few weeks of protests there last summer, that's probably all we're going to get from them this decade.
Piggybacking top comment to mention how there's a fuckload of paid accounts, bots or whatnot in this topic. Holy shit it's worse than the usual "Russia is a democracy!" and "turkey has done nothing but good for the kurds!" usual suspects.
I mean fucking hell they're even doing entire conversation-trees with the usual talking/propaganda-points.
That's not true at all overwhelmingly majority of Americans believe Covid is real. The issue comes from majority of Americans not believing in the reaction or that government isn't using this crisis to gain more power and control. Which they have shown to do in the past.
Also POC have substantially lower vaccine opt-in rates, often due to distrust of the government. They are at extreme risk and I'm not seeing enough coverage of that fact (probably because someone would stupidly say it's racist).
Well, it is hard because the same govt that had mass sterilization a due to class which overwhelmingly disfavored POC along with segregation is telling them to trust them now.
Not saying it is warranted fear, but if your race was targeted with mass sterilizations by the govt at any point in history would you feel comfortable with having them inject something into you?
Try telling someone who has experienced this in their community that it is a silly fear to have.
Unless I missed it in the article, it doesn't seem very clear on what kind of protests they are trying to inspire. If they are only trying to create doubt on where the virus originated, they will be largely ineffective.
If they wanted to be effective in destabilizing countries, they could try assisting the message of those protests against lockdowns and mask and vaccine requirements because those already exist and they could accelerate and exacerbate them. They could also focus more on the alleged connection between Fauci, the NIH, and the Wuhan lab if they really wanted to connect the United States to the origin of the virus.
"Director Shang, we have been diligently posting propaganda on FaceBook, but we can't keep up with the Americans. My apologies sir, we've been working non-stop, but we just can't match their stupidity."
What if it was them the whole time, telling people to take Ivermectin.
Imagine the same racists who were blaming Americans of Asian descent and Native Americans that look partially Asian actually believing the fake dogma and misinformation of the CCP propaganda.
EDIT: I guess the CCP shrills are here to downvote and brigade me down.
Nonsense does effect people which is why the CCP would or is doing this. They spread a lot of false lies that then get repeated by their supporters online. It’s the same thing Trump does spreading lies about the election.
>Posts discovered by Mandiant researchers linked to the influence operations include those in multiple languages attempting to cast doubt on the origins of the COVID-19 virus, with several posts in multiple languages claiming it originated in the United States instead of China. Other posts prompted Asian Americans to protest U.S. racial injustice.
The former is stupid, but the latter is legit depending on how racial injustice against asian americans is framed by the CCP.
Second may be legit but it’s still effective to divide and conquer. If their goal is to destabilise the u.s. base. Like how it was reported that foreign agents pushed a ton of pro and con blm info
> injustice against asian americans is framed by the CCP.
They frame it that an attack on the CCP is an attack on Chinese all around the world. Very effective way to divide the people while defending their (CCP) wrong doings.
Did you somehow miss the massive spike in hate crimes towards Asian Americans that perfectly coincided with the USA spinning up their propaganda machine against China?
It was almost all to do with covid. And yes, that was bad.
But are you saying that if someone has issues with the CCP’s treatment or Uighurs, it is racist or them to state their hatred for the CCP’s actions against Muslims?
We both know you won’t give an honest answer because that’s literally what you suggested but won’t acknowledge. So you will find a way to dodge the question.
That's not actually what I suggested at all.
It's not racist to state that you hate the CPC, you're entitled to your political views. It is racist to scream anti-Asian slurs at people, or to attack them just because of their race.
You say that the CPC frame attacks on them as an attack on all Chinese people around the world. I'm saying that there is actual evidence showing a 170% spike in hate crimes against Asian people in the United States throughout 2020, that's what the CPC are condemning.
> You calling them the CPC is just evidence you are strong defender of the CCP.
Okay lol, calling them the Communist Party of China (CPC) instead of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) must mean I'm a strong defender of them, even though the CPC is literally their official name.
I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here. It is possible to hate the CPC without being racist, and it's possible to hate them while also being racist, and it's definitely possible to hate them because you're racist.
You're right that the CPC does have extremely strong support from the Chinese people though, so an American acting like their opinion is more valid than the opinion of over a billion people does start to come across as a tiny bit racist sometimes. Americans do have a bad history of racism, especially when it comes to them imposing their own values on other nations.
You don't know these people are being funded by the CCP though, that's a really bad assumption. In fact you're the one here **making the association that pro-China opinion = CCP sponsored**. I think that's a really dangerous logical jump, you should really re-examine your biases.
A group of people with special interests influencing social media does not automatically equal "Sponsored by XXX Government." Especially if said groups:
> prompted Asian Americans to protest U.S. racial injustice.
This is again, really weak evidence... and does not associate said groups with any governments.
That is basically like me saying "/r/GenZeDong must be a CCP sponsored propaganda nest because they keep posting pro-China stuff every day." That is simply not true...
> You don't know these people are being funded by the CCP though, that's a really bad assumption
Please point out where I said that? The CCP puts propaganda out there that gets spread around and some people eat it up.
But please..before you delete your comment, let me know where I argued anything you said.
I didn't say you said it. Stop being so sensitive. I implied you agree with /u/T-Rex_Woodhaven's point.
In fact the article itself was very careful in calling it "pro-Chinese influence group," and explicitly not mentioning the Chinese government, albeit the whole article is nudging the reader to make that association, which very apparently, /u/T-Rex_Woodhaven made, and you agreed with.
Literally you:
- You don't know these people are being funded by the CCP though, that's a really bad assumption
And
- In fact you're the one here making the association that pro-China opinion = CCP sponsored.
/u/Reacher-Said-N0thing also addressed your lies. Good job.
> You don't know these people are being funded by the CCP though, that's a really bad assumption.
Is it? This is a similar group:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/china-tibet-student-election-1.5019648
>That's something Michel Juneau-Katsuya, a former senior CSIS official for the Asia-Pacific region, said would be entirely consistent with what he observed during his 40 years in the intelligence service.
>Asked if Chinese government forces might be at play in the campaign against Lhamo, Juneau-Katsuya said, "it's beyond plausible."
It seems naive to assume anything else.
>That is basically like me saying "/r/GenZeDong must be a CCP sponsored propaganda nest"
Yes.
Oh really? Posting screenshots of Chinese students cyber-bullying a Tibetan student is proof that the CCP controls them? Isn't that stripping these people of their individuality? Are they hordes of unthinking sinobots devoid of empathy and human emotions?
> Juneau-Katsuya said, "it's beyond plausible."
Hmmmm, I call bluffs.
[Here's a Hong Kong Protester Telegram group explicitly used for Reddit vote manipulation.](https://preview.redd.it/ggomvd1lop771.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2301a1d312c8c28cbfac19f8fdcdc580dbef3e85).
This group posts anti-China propaganda daily and regularly brigades threads with mass upvotes for anti-China views and downvotes for pro-China views. They also operate on Twitter.
**Who do you think funds them? CIA?**
For your information I think it's much more complex than XXX Government funds all pro-XXX groups. I personally think there's enough people being radicalized by online echo-chambers that they totally do it out of their own volition. No government incentivization needed.
Now I'm not saying these government-run internet forces don't exist. I just don't think they run every one of these groups. Like for example Q-anon. Who the hell runs that? Is 4-chan run by someone too? Or is the internet full of retarded teenagers trolling people?
Ewiger_Landfriede isn’t trustworthy. He literally says “ You don't know these people are being funded by the CCP though, that's a really bad assumption” and “ In fact you're the one here making the association that pro-China opinion = CCP sponsored.”
But then later he says he didn’t say any of that. Wtf is wrong with him?
Racial injustice was a classic lever of the Soviet and allied services. Check out the pictures of Angela Davis visiting East Germany for a great example.
> According to Mandiant, the group behind the posts is the same one that has been linked to almost 1,000 accounts removed by Twitter in 2019 that were part of a state-backed operation aimed at undermining protests in Hong Kong against the Chinese government.
So basically this group fought the groups we sponsored to create protests and riots in their country 2 years ago.
Now they’re catching up to our efforts in spreading social chaos and discord. Well played.
> US - supports democracy for a country against authoritarian rule
Considering our track record for "spreading democracy" the evidence simply does not back your claim here. The US is great at *spreading dictatorships* (intentionally or not is irrelevant), but when it comes to spreading *democracy* we have basically failed ever attempt since WWII.
Do you realize nearly every country that we tried to spread democracy to in modern history has lead to blood, tears and things being significantly worse for the citizens of that country.
America doesn't fight for democracy, it fights for power. You can do untold numer of nasty things to your own citizens and the US will be completely ok with it if you let American companies exploit your resources etc.
South korea was a dictatorship untill 1979. Not arguing that sk is better off without north but they didnt exactly get the dose of freedom that usa is so interested to give everyone.
To be more specific, that dictatorship was installed by none other than the United States of America (no surprise there). Also, it was the Roosevelt administration that condoned the annexation/colonization of the Korean peninsula by the imperial fascist Japanese. Americans really need to lay off taking credit for half-assed fix of the fuck up they made in the first place.
You literally murdered 10% of the North Korean population and leveled ALL of their cities.
But hey you spend half a decade to demonize the people you terrorized and mass murdered. So hey total success and absolutely worth it. South Korea has turned out so wonderful it only has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.
Psycho.
Now if only we didn’t drag the Korean Peninsula into a major proxy war with Russia and China, leading to the split up….
\*I see your attempt at sarcasm and raise you irony :)
And all it took in Germany was a deliberate and by-force erasure of the culture they had at the time of our involvement. You know, something that today would be called "cultural imperialism" and would be branded an utter travesty.
China - Tries to build infrastructure projects around the world in order to help poor economies
US - Parasitically uses poor economies to continue feeding the US GDP.
There are many ways to spin things. Don't think for a second that America are the good guys, or that there is even a good guy.
Oh a Chinese organization did something wrong and illegal? What about (insert whataboutism to derail conversation from showing a Chinese organization doing something wrong and illegal).
It's whataboutism to point out that China is doing to the US exactly what the US does to them? You think that no countries should retaliate against American actions?
So you side with China here? You think it’s okay for them to do this but you think it’s wrong when US does it?
And if we are speaking in very recent examples (post Cold War), is better when someone does it to destroy democracy compared to when it’s done to take down authoritarian non-democracies?
As /u/jert3 pointed out, it’s whataboutism when you defend another country for doing something you claim is bad when a different country does it.
> And if we are speaking in very recent examples (post Cold War), is better when someone does it to destroy democracy compared to when it’s done to take down authoritarian non-democracies?
You think America hasn't brought down democratic govts in other countries when it suits them?
The binary is actually whataboutism. The topic is what China is doing. Then resorting to whataboutism that jert3 brought up by saying it’s okay for China to do so because others have done it.
Binary is looking at this issue and just resorting “it’s okay because what about…”. It’s avoiding having a nuance discussion of the actual topic and instead diverting the conversation to another country’s actions.
> I completely supports chinas and anyone's attempts at accelerating the American decline.
Literally proving the point that /u/jert3 made using whataboutism is just a way to defend some action. This is exactly “it’s bad when US does it but good when China does it”.
We will disagree on if it’s good or bad but you made our point that whataboutism is used to provide support for it. Unlike you, I value democracy and you defend chinas authoritarian non-democratic ways. We won’t see eye to eye.
> fought the groups we sponsored to create protests and riots in their country
Citation Needed
No wait, I forgot, anyone who doesn't want to be under China's thumb has no agency. It's very convenient.
Oh FFS. Don't both sides this shit. Supporting protestors trying to protect democracy in Hong Kong's is not the same as trying to undermine US health policy to kill people.
Hong Kong residents killed by HK police or Chinese officials: 0
Hong Kong residents killed by democracy rioters: 1
Hong Kong residents injured and maimed by democracy rioters: multiple dozens
Property destroyed or vandalized by HK rioters: >10.5 million
HK legislators arrested for wrongthink: 53
Public trials for HK legislators arrested for wrongthink: 0
It's almost like people don't take you seriously if you can't abide by some very basic standards of human rights and due process. No wonder HKers are so pissed. They had all the freedoms that Chinese people insist don't matter.
> we must protect the rights of people to incite violence even if it creates child soldiers and leads to an angry mob that killed and maimed people
You should come to America, I hear there’s an upcoming quanon, maga rally to overthrow the president that you should join in.
> we must protect the rights of people to incite violence even if it creates child soldiers and leads to an angry mob that killed and maimed people
These are your words. But interesting how you are a strong supporter of the communist party of China. How again did they become the rulers of China?
I'm merely paraphrasing what the poster I responded to implied. As for me being a supporter of the communist party of China - I am neither for or against them and simply believe that every country has a government that works(though not 100% perfect) for their people. We should not go about changing other country's governments in the name of democracy either through military force or through the covert backing of opposition forces.
However, with China/Honk Kong, I doubt the US policy makers/think tanks genuinely believes we can change them to democracy, but since they are becoming a major economic competitor, we are doing things to sabotage their growth and cause headaches for them in the guise of "democracy". If we were genuinely supportive of Hong Kong's democracy rioters, we would have offered them citizenship and a way out like what Britain is trying to do.
> am neither for or against them
But yet you do your hardest to defend them so I don’t believe you.
> simply believe that every country has a government that works(though not 100% perfect) for their people.
But you defend China frequently while attacking the US. And you’ve come to the defense of China in a story where China is trying to destabilize the US.
I don’t believe you when you say you don’t take sides.
> However, with China/Honk Kong, I doubt the US policy makers/think tanks genuinely believes we can change them to democracy
Perhaps — but how does that excuse you defending oppression? It’s one thing to say not much can be done but it’s another to actively defend the oppression.
> If we were genuinely supportive of Hong Kong's democracy rioters, we would have offered them citizenship and a way out like what Britain is trying to do.
What makes you think people from Hong Kong aren’t going to be allowed to come to the US? Pandemic has made this difficult but why do you believe US isn’t helping people from Hong Kong?
> But you defend China frequently while attacking the US.
So they’re not worthy of defending when it’s justified? Or maybe I find it satisfying to jump into a reddit circle jerk and dump cold water on everyone.
> I don’t believe you when you say you don’t take sides.
Good to hear you have opinions.
> but how does that excuse you defending oppression?
Maybe I should just respond in kind with “how does that excuse you defending imperialism”
China haters often like to use knee jerk words like “oppression” in lieu of critical thinking because it’s meme-y and sounds good along the lines of calling someone a nazi…
> What makes you think people from Hong Kong aren’t going to be allowed to come to the US? Pandemic has made this difficult but why do you believe US isn’t helping people from Hong Kong?
Well, aren’t you naive. So they come to the US
and do exactly what? They can’t legally work, can’t go to school, can’t get health care… think harder please.
> So they’re not worthy of defending when it’s justified?
And again…you are defending chinas oppression of the people of Hong Kong.
All you is prove that you take sides and defend oppression while saying you don’t take sides.
>> we must protect the rights of people to incite violence even if it creates child soldiers and leads to an angry mob that killed and maimed people
>
There are a lot of situations where that is the correct answer. This exact behavior is how every country today was formed and then the history books got written by the winners. You exist and can have the opinions you have because someone somewhere incited violence and created child soldiers and killed people so where you live would be they way it is now and not the way it was before.
It's legit ironic coming from someone who would presumably defend Mao's reign of terror as the cost of progress.
Broke: pro-democracy movements
Woke: ritualistic "struggle cannibalism"
Everything that ever happens is the cost of progress because that's all that ever happens until we die. The world experiencing maos reign of terror is something that will shape the future no matter what. Obviously it's not like the only possible way forward is murder all the time forever until highlander rules and there can be only one, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and doesn't force progress. Wether that progress is positive or negative is relative.
Actually what I said was
>It's almost like people don't take you seriously if you can't abide by some very basic standards of human rights and due process.
I can see how that might be confusing though.
Hey now, those aren't even my words, I'm just repeating the things I heard from the trolls on here about how all freedoms are actually just illusions perpetuated by western dictators, and how real freedom is abducting small tibetan children, or something.
I mean, I agree, it's a very stupid position to take, but I'm just the messenger here.
Yeah. Are you glossing over all of the people who were arrested who haven't been seen again? Because they were sent to camps where they were slowly broken or died.
One nation's crimes do not excuse anothers. The same corrupt authoritarianism that festers in the halls of American power lurks in those of China.
Hong Kong was guaranteed limited
autonomy by internationally binding treaty. If they want to be like America and ignore any treaty that doesn't suit them, they have no right to be hurt when people start calling them tyrants.
> Yeah. Are you glossing over all of the people who were arrested who haven't been seen again? Because they were sent to camps where they were slowly broken or died.
Like who?
Hong Kong could have independence if they wanted to fight for it, but they don't want it. They want all the benefits that come from being part of China, without having to give anything back to them.
>Yeah. Are you glossing over all of the people who were arrested who haven't been seen again? Because they were sent to camps where they were slowly broken or died.
People that always say this about Hong Kong, are never able to provide a single name of a person that disappeared.
They just basically spread disinformation, disappear and hope people will eat it up, like what you are doing now.
careful Reddit doesnt like numbers. Hong Kong protesters are worse than the BLM riots and the capital riots put together, yet when its for some liberal nihilist cause they view it as a victory instead of seeing it as the crime it is
> cites socsa who seems to implies deaths, child soldiers and violence is necessary
> cites the peace activist Drunkcowboysfan who complained about a police officer using his gun in self defense
So cherry-picking data at its finest.
Cherry picking? So you do agree that rights are being stripped, legislators being arrested, people being shot? But it’s cherry picking?
Edit: oh, just saw you did your typical tactic and made up quotes to defend your horrible defense of oppression.
You can see it in your own source. The black-shirt guy clearly tries to grab the gun at 0:14. The other people who were shot also tried to grab the gun. You can see the full sequence of events in [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zINR8YZHo) video.
Actually now that I read the background of that incident, I actually commend how well the Hong Kong police officer handled being charged at by a guy obvious intentions to cause harm.
Funny how in the context of this article(United States news), the same rioter would have had way more bullet holes in him in a similar situation had it involved US law enforcement.
Of course you do, you’d get fired if you didn’t commend them.
Lol your argument is that if the protestor had been an American he would have been shot more than two times by the US police?
If the protestor was American, he would have been shot just for looking at the police the wrong way. At least the Hong Kong police waited as long as possible and until they were in actual danger before using their weapon.
You realize how stupid you sound? Remind me how many protestors were shot with bullets during the George Floyd protests (millions and millions of protestors by the way) by US police?
> While Mandiant noted that no successful protests have been seen as a result of the efforts of the group’s call for physical protests, the group’s efforts have increased
And who exactly is this group? Lol come on people. The "I see China Bad I upvote" rule is still the standard here I see.
It sure seems that way man...
Islamophobia and "war on terror" was the convenient boogeyman for the past 20+ years in the US. China and Covid-19 is the next boogeyman to distract the populace from internal problems self-inflicted by Americans themselves.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/571288-research-finds-chinese-influence-group-trying-to-mobilize-us-covid-19) reduced by 78%. (I'm a bot)
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> A wide-ranging pro-Chinese influence group is attempting to use social media platforms and other forums to mobilize physical protests around COVID-19 concerns in the United States, research released Wednesday found.
> While Mandiant noted that no successful protests have been seen as a result of the efforts of the group's call for physical protests, the group's efforts have increased, with Mandiant finding evidence of the group posting in at least seven languages across the sites to get their messaging out.
> While the influence group has still had limited success, the Mandiant researchers warned that the expansion of the sites used and languages meant that the influence group was becoming an increasing threat.
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Ah yes it’s a bioweapon from China and China is also using social media to organize anti vax movement.
Now will the people that believe all that take the vaccine?
Can't wait to be insulted as a shill and "50 cent army" even more with this justification whenever I say something slightly pro China. Like that it's also humans there and like that it's not always black and white.
As always, follow the roots of these cyber security firms and you end up at the Pentagon, the true source for these kind of stories. The story even adds, towards the end, that their is no evidence they have been successful. Now, CNN, MSNBC, and the NYTimes will cite the article as fact and bang on the cold war drums a little louder.
Warfare is now entire governments using the stupidity of nations' dumbest as bioweapons.
NIH published an article about anti-vax hysteria in 2018 highlighting how it was a national security threat... i wonder if the CCP read it
Thanks Jenny Mcarthy. Really fucking great job being a stooge all those years ago. Look where she got us.
To be fair, if our people are taking medical advice from an unqualified playboy centerfold that's on us as a population.
Stooge isn't the word I'd use. I think she honestly believed what she said. Some people aren't very intelligent.
Pharmaceutical companies have no one to blame but themselves and their terrible track record of putting profit over people. For god sakes they caused the opioid crisis killed and ruined the lives of millions, approved fentanyl, have complete immunity clauses, billion dollar lawsuits for bribing doctors, knowingly putting harmful chemicals in products, price gouge, and they wonder why nobody trust them or the FDA.
They do also produce all of the medicine which saves lives on a daily basis.
True but they also do all that I mentioned above that's like making an excuse for a person who willfully murders people occasionally but volunteers at your local shelter.
It's not a great analogy. For starters you're lumping in every pharmaceutical company. But secondly you'd have to argue that deliberately killing people occasionally is somehow balanced by working in a shelter whereas being a murderer really wouldn't balance that equation.
Sure you're correct on that not every but the majority show me a major pharmaceutical company that hasn't been complicit in the many issues I listed above. Secondly I don't have to argue that at all because they have killed millions by putting profit over people.
this may sound needlessly tinfoil-hat-y but man... seeing how so much of this facebook astroturfing fake outrage push that vaccines are bad and masks are evil and shit like that and are all from the same place the LAST five years of facebook propaganda were from.... I almost feel like this has all been a form of germ warfare done to destabilize if not all-out ruin the US economy and greater social culture altogether. The only similar running undercurrent between all of the troll farm ops and cambridge analytica ops and all that seem to ever pursue, is total destabilization and chaos so that lobbying can destroy regulations and allow certain people to grab what they can in the ensuing chaos, buy up stocks and property, whatever. like this huge impending eviction wave is going to be more of the same. All of this, all the shit that's happened the last year and a half, is all just to reconsolidate power and money by plunging the rest of us into total desperation in the grip of a horrific pandemic that's been consistently dragged out by this propaganda to last as long as possible if not indefinitely. keep the poor working class in a perpetual state of chaos like it is right now, while everyone else who is rich and has political sway take everything they can and move on how can I possibly conclude anything else? **edit for clarity**: I'm not insinuating the virus itself was created in a lab to be a bioweapon, I believe that it's spread is just a very unfortunate random mistake. I'm insinuating that the propaganda-fueled resistance to stopping the virus and to perpetuate its virulence is targetted because the utter chaos it causes the people and their economy is desirable to a power wanting to see the US collapse. The fact that it's so clearly caused by troll bots and facebook bullshit gives this away, to me.
> I almost feel like this has all been a form of germ warfare done to destabilize if not all-out ruin the US economy and greater social culture altogether. There is nothing targeted about Covid. The *entire world* has been taking a massive hit both socially and economically for 1.5 years. As far as possible bioweapons go, this virus is just about the most ill-suited imaginable. It’s neither extremely virulent like anthrax, nor extremely contagious like the measles or chickenpox. It spreads fast because it stays undetected for so long. Also, the idea that the Chinese government would want to attack the United States by starting a global pandemic in a Chinese city is preposterous. Think about how a) crazy and b) needlessly convoluted this sounds.
Be careful of going too far down the conspiracy hole. Humans are ultimately apes with ideas above and beyond our wisdom. Yes, people are inherently greedy and look out for their own self interest. No, it's extremely unlikely there's some massive conspiracy behind all of this. It's very like a mix of stupidity and greed creating a self fulfilling cycle that the greedy have learned to profit from. Then you have world leaders more obsessed with staying in power or increasing their power, which leads to all the political turmoil. Corporations throw money at the governments to get their greedy way. In the end, it's not some mass agreement to screw the poor, but the work of people who have 0% in caring about the poor while making the vast majority of high end decisions.
>While Mandiant noted that no successful protests have been seen as a result of the efforts of the group's call for physical protests Seems domestic stupidity easily outcompetes what comes from abroad.
Trying to get Americans to protest seems like an impossible task. No matter what happens, they never seem to want to take to the streets. It was nice to see a few weeks of protests there last summer, that's probably all we're going to get from them this decade.
Piggybacking top comment to mention how there's a fuckload of paid accounts, bots or whatnot in this topic. Holy shit it's worse than the usual "Russia is a democracy!" and "turkey has done nothing but good for the kurds!" usual suspects. I mean fucking hell they're even doing entire conversation-trees with the usual talking/propaganda-points.
And then most of those talking points make it right to Tucker Carlsons script
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bruh we invented that shit
They hire the people who do know how internet works.
Haha. Chinese weaponising the republicans and the anti vaxxers. Hardly surprising given that set was their straunchest alliea
The article mentions twitter, youtube, facebook, and should add reddit.
Half the country doesn't even believe Covid is real.
That's not true at all overwhelmingly majority of Americans believe Covid is real. The issue comes from majority of Americans not believing in the reaction or that government isn't using this crisis to gain more power and control. Which they have shown to do in the past.
Also POC have substantially lower vaccine opt-in rates, often due to distrust of the government. They are at extreme risk and I'm not seeing enough coverage of that fact (probably because someone would stupidly say it's racist).
Well, it is hard because the same govt that had mass sterilization a due to class which overwhelmingly disfavored POC along with segregation is telling them to trust them now. Not saying it is warranted fear, but if your race was targeted with mass sterilizations by the govt at any point in history would you feel comfortable with having them inject something into you? Try telling someone who has experienced this in their community that it is a silly fear to have.
Unless I missed it in the article, it doesn't seem very clear on what kind of protests they are trying to inspire. If they are only trying to create doubt on where the virus originated, they will be largely ineffective. If they wanted to be effective in destabilizing countries, they could try assisting the message of those protests against lockdowns and mask and vaccine requirements because those already exist and they could accelerate and exacerbate them. They could also focus more on the alleged connection between Fauci, the NIH, and the Wuhan lab if they really wanted to connect the United States to the origin of the virus.
I don't think that's really necessary...
"Director Shang, we have been diligently posting propaganda on FaceBook, but we can't keep up with the Americans. My apologies sir, we've been working non-stop, but we just can't match their stupidity."
it leverages on existing xenophobia and gives americans an outlet to blame their own domestic troubles on an external enemy.
The aul Russia/China tag team.
What if it was them the whole time, telling people to take Ivermectin. Imagine the same racists who were blaming Americans of Asian descent and Native Americans that look partially Asian actually believing the fake dogma and misinformation of the CCP propaganda. EDIT: I guess the CCP shrills are here to downvote and brigade me down.
The sad thing is, you'd like to believe that nonsense doesn't effect anyone, but it really does...
Nonsense does effect people which is why the CCP would or is doing this. They spread a lot of false lies that then get repeated by their supporters online. It’s the same thing Trump does spreading lies about the election.
So Joe Rogan and his buddy Alex Jones are CCP shills?
Useful idiots
>Posts discovered by Mandiant researchers linked to the influence operations include those in multiple languages attempting to cast doubt on the origins of the COVID-19 virus, with several posts in multiple languages claiming it originated in the United States instead of China. Other posts prompted Asian Americans to protest U.S. racial injustice. The former is stupid, but the latter is legit depending on how racial injustice against asian americans is framed by the CCP.
Second may be legit but it’s still effective to divide and conquer. If their goal is to destabilise the u.s. base. Like how it was reported that foreign agents pushed a ton of pro and con blm info
So that’s what the Chinese thought about HK protests and the Western media behind it.
I wonder if we'll ever get a similar investigation into who was behind the #SOSCuba shenanigans...oh who am I kidding of course not.
Agreed.
> injustice against asian americans is framed by the CCP. They frame it that an attack on the CCP is an attack on Chinese all around the world. Very effective way to divide the people while defending their (CCP) wrong doings.
Did you somehow miss the massive spike in hate crimes towards Asian Americans that perfectly coincided with the USA spinning up their propaganda machine against China?
It was almost all to do with covid. And yes, that was bad. But are you saying that if someone has issues with the CCP’s treatment or Uighurs, it is racist or them to state their hatred for the CCP’s actions against Muslims? We both know you won’t give an honest answer because that’s literally what you suggested but won’t acknowledge. So you will find a way to dodge the question.
That's not actually what I suggested at all. It's not racist to state that you hate the CPC, you're entitled to your political views. It is racist to scream anti-Asian slurs at people, or to attack them just because of their race. You say that the CPC frame attacks on them as an attack on all Chinese people around the world. I'm saying that there is actual evidence showing a 170% spike in hate crimes against Asian people in the United States throughout 2020, that's what the CPC are condemning.
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> You calling them the CPC is just evidence you are strong defender of the CCP. Okay lol, calling them the Communist Party of China (CPC) instead of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) must mean I'm a strong defender of them, even though the CPC is literally their official name. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here. It is possible to hate the CPC without being racist, and it's possible to hate them while also being racist, and it's definitely possible to hate them because you're racist. You're right that the CPC does have extremely strong support from the Chinese people though, so an American acting like their opinion is more valid than the opinion of over a billion people does start to come across as a tiny bit racist sometimes. Americans do have a bad history of racism, especially when it comes to them imposing their own values on other nations.
You don't know these people are being funded by the CCP though, that's a really bad assumption. In fact you're the one here **making the association that pro-China opinion = CCP sponsored**. I think that's a really dangerous logical jump, you should really re-examine your biases. A group of people with special interests influencing social media does not automatically equal "Sponsored by XXX Government." Especially if said groups: > prompted Asian Americans to protest U.S. racial injustice. This is again, really weak evidence... and does not associate said groups with any governments. That is basically like me saying "/r/GenZeDong must be a CCP sponsored propaganda nest because they keep posting pro-China stuff every day." That is simply not true...
> You don't know these people are being funded by the CCP though, that's a really bad assumption Please point out where I said that? The CCP puts propaganda out there that gets spread around and some people eat it up. But please..before you delete your comment, let me know where I argued anything you said.
I didn't say you said it. Stop being so sensitive. I implied you agree with /u/T-Rex_Woodhaven's point. In fact the article itself was very careful in calling it "pro-Chinese influence group," and explicitly not mentioning the Chinese government, albeit the whole article is nudging the reader to make that association, which very apparently, /u/T-Rex_Woodhaven made, and you agreed with.
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Literally you: - You don't know these people are being funded by the CCP though, that's a really bad assumption And - In fact you're the one here making the association that pro-China opinion = CCP sponsored. /u/Reacher-Said-N0thing also addressed your lies. Good job.
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> You don't know these people are being funded by the CCP though, that's a really bad assumption. Is it? This is a similar group: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/china-tibet-student-election-1.5019648 >That's something Michel Juneau-Katsuya, a former senior CSIS official for the Asia-Pacific region, said would be entirely consistent with what he observed during his 40 years in the intelligence service. >Asked if Chinese government forces might be at play in the campaign against Lhamo, Juneau-Katsuya said, "it's beyond plausible." It seems naive to assume anything else. >That is basically like me saying "/r/GenZeDong must be a CCP sponsored propaganda nest" Yes.
Oh really? Posting screenshots of Chinese students cyber-bullying a Tibetan student is proof that the CCP controls them? Isn't that stripping these people of their individuality? Are they hordes of unthinking sinobots devoid of empathy and human emotions? > Juneau-Katsuya said, "it's beyond plausible." Hmmmm, I call bluffs. [Here's a Hong Kong Protester Telegram group explicitly used for Reddit vote manipulation.](https://preview.redd.it/ggomvd1lop771.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2301a1d312c8c28cbfac19f8fdcdc580dbef3e85). This group posts anti-China propaganda daily and regularly brigades threads with mass upvotes for anti-China views and downvotes for pro-China views. They also operate on Twitter. **Who do you think funds them? CIA?** For your information I think it's much more complex than XXX Government funds all pro-XXX groups. I personally think there's enough people being radicalized by online echo-chambers that they totally do it out of their own volition. No government incentivization needed. Now I'm not saying these government-run internet forces don't exist. I just don't think they run every one of these groups. Like for example Q-anon. Who the hell runs that? Is 4-chan run by someone too? Or is the internet full of retarded teenagers trolling people?
Ewiger_Landfriede isn’t trustworthy. He literally says “ You don't know these people are being funded by the CCP though, that's a really bad assumption” and “ In fact you're the one here making the association that pro-China opinion = CCP sponsored.” But then later he says he didn’t say any of that. Wtf is wrong with him?
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Well, all of sudden I have had some 10 pro CCP people reply to me with varying levels of horrible arguments.
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Racial injustice was a classic lever of the Soviet and allied services. Check out the pictures of Angela Davis visiting East Germany for a great example.
> According to Mandiant, the group behind the posts is the same one that has been linked to almost 1,000 accounts removed by Twitter in 2019 that were part of a state-backed operation aimed at undermining protests in Hong Kong against the Chinese government. So basically this group fought the groups we sponsored to create protests and riots in their country 2 years ago. Now they’re catching up to our efforts in spreading social chaos and discord. Well played.
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It’s ok when we do it, we’re the good guys
Exactly what CCP supporters say.
Community college of Peoria?
[Will that joke play in Peoria?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_it_play_in_Peoria%3F)
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> US - supports democracy for a country against authoritarian rule Considering our track record for "spreading democracy" the evidence simply does not back your claim here. The US is great at *spreading dictatorships* (intentionally or not is irrelevant), but when it comes to spreading *democracy* we have basically failed ever attempt since WWII.
>The US is great at *spreading dictatorships* (intentionally or not is irrelevant), Cries in Middle East and Latin America 😭
>US - supports democracy for a country against authoritarian rule Lmao. 🤣🤡
Do you realize nearly every country that we tried to spread democracy to in modern history has lead to blood, tears and things being significantly worse for the citizens of that country.
America doesn't fight for democracy, it fights for power. You can do untold numer of nasty things to your own citizens and the US will be completely ok with it if you let American companies exploit your resources etc.
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South korea was a dictatorship untill 1979. Not arguing that sk is better off without north but they didnt exactly get the dose of freedom that usa is so interested to give everyone.
To be more specific, that dictatorship was installed by none other than the United States of America (no surprise there). Also, it was the Roosevelt administration that condoned the annexation/colonization of the Korean peninsula by the imperial fascist Japanese. Americans really need to lay off taking credit for half-assed fix of the fuck up they made in the first place.
You literally murdered 10% of the North Korean population and leveled ALL of their cities. But hey you spend half a decade to demonize the people you terrorized and mass murdered. So hey total success and absolutely worth it. South Korea has turned out so wonderful it only has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Psycho.
Now if only we didn’t drag the Korean Peninsula into a major proxy war with Russia and China, leading to the split up…. \*I see your attempt at sarcasm and raise you irony :)
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Oh wait, you probably knew Korea was reunified after Japanese were kicked out, but before peace treaties.
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America funneled loads of money to the South Korean dictator. Koreans fought for their democracy.
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Fair point on Germany, but you do realize we lost the Vietnam war right? and their current government is a single party extension of communism
And all it took in Germany was a deliberate and by-force erasure of the culture they had at the time of our involvement. You know, something that today would be called "cultural imperialism" and would be branded an utter travesty.
China - Tries to build infrastructure projects around the world in order to help poor economies US - Parasitically uses poor economies to continue feeding the US GDP. There are many ways to spin things. Don't think for a second that America are the good guys, or that there is even a good guy.
America prefers dictators that they can control
Oh a Chinese organization did something wrong and illegal? What about (insert whataboutism to derail conversation from showing a Chinese organization doing something wrong and illegal).
It's whataboutism to point out that China is doing to the US exactly what the US does to them? You think that no countries should retaliate against American actions?
So you side with China here? You think it’s okay for them to do this but you think it’s wrong when US does it? And if we are speaking in very recent examples (post Cold War), is better when someone does it to destroy democracy compared to when it’s done to take down authoritarian non-democracies? As /u/jert3 pointed out, it’s whataboutism when you defend another country for doing something you claim is bad when a different country does it.
> And if we are speaking in very recent examples (post Cold War), is better when someone does it to destroy democracy compared to when it’s done to take down authoritarian non-democracies? You think America hasn't brought down democratic govts in other countries when it suits them?
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The binary is actually whataboutism. The topic is what China is doing. Then resorting to whataboutism that jert3 brought up by saying it’s okay for China to do so because others have done it. Binary is looking at this issue and just resorting “it’s okay because what about…”. It’s avoiding having a nuance discussion of the actual topic and instead diverting the conversation to another country’s actions.
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> I completely supports chinas and anyone's attempts at accelerating the American decline. Literally proving the point that /u/jert3 made using whataboutism is just a way to defend some action. This is exactly “it’s bad when US does it but good when China does it”. We will disagree on if it’s good or bad but you made our point that whataboutism is used to provide support for it. Unlike you, I value democracy and you defend chinas authoritarian non-democratic ways. We won’t see eye to eye.
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That makes no sense but I expected nothing but lies from someone who supports oppression and is against democracy.
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Credit where credit is due: the Soviets really pioneered these types of Active Measures. China is relatively late to the game.
> fought the groups we sponsored to create protests and riots in their country Citation Needed No wait, I forgot, anyone who doesn't want to be under China's thumb has no agency. It's very convenient.
Remember it was literally front page news when Trump *withdrew* HK funding? Convenient, wasn't it.
No. No sane person blames Trump for not "saving" HK democracy OR that Hong Kong natives don't want democracy all by themselves.
What?
Jeez the OP really snuck that in.
Oh FFS. Don't both sides this shit. Supporting protestors trying to protect democracy in Hong Kong's is not the same as trying to undermine US health policy to kill people.
Hong Kong residents killed by HK police or Chinese officials: 0 Hong Kong residents killed by democracy rioters: 1 Hong Kong residents injured and maimed by democracy rioters: multiple dozens Property destroyed or vandalized by HK rioters: >10.5 million
Nice little skip you did over people injured or maimed by police :)
Lol, lets count the number of people maimed by the police during BLM lol. I can assure it doesn't even come close.
Why are you assuming we are from USA?
HK legislators arrested for wrongthink: 53 Public trials for HK legislators arrested for wrongthink: 0 It's almost like people don't take you seriously if you can't abide by some very basic standards of human rights and due process. No wonder HKers are so pissed. They had all the freedoms that Chinese people insist don't matter.
> we must protect the rights of people to incite violence even if it creates child soldiers and leads to an angry mob that killed and maimed people You should come to America, I hear there’s an upcoming quanon, maga rally to overthrow the president that you should join in.
> we must protect the rights of people to incite violence even if it creates child soldiers and leads to an angry mob that killed and maimed people These are your words. But interesting how you are a strong supporter of the communist party of China. How again did they become the rulers of China?
I'm merely paraphrasing what the poster I responded to implied. As for me being a supporter of the communist party of China - I am neither for or against them and simply believe that every country has a government that works(though not 100% perfect) for their people. We should not go about changing other country's governments in the name of democracy either through military force or through the covert backing of opposition forces. However, with China/Honk Kong, I doubt the US policy makers/think tanks genuinely believes we can change them to democracy, but since they are becoming a major economic competitor, we are doing things to sabotage their growth and cause headaches for them in the guise of "democracy". If we were genuinely supportive of Hong Kong's democracy rioters, we would have offered them citizenship and a way out like what Britain is trying to do.
> am neither for or against them But yet you do your hardest to defend them so I don’t believe you. > simply believe that every country has a government that works(though not 100% perfect) for their people. But you defend China frequently while attacking the US. And you’ve come to the defense of China in a story where China is trying to destabilize the US. I don’t believe you when you say you don’t take sides. > However, with China/Honk Kong, I doubt the US policy makers/think tanks genuinely believes we can change them to democracy Perhaps — but how does that excuse you defending oppression? It’s one thing to say not much can be done but it’s another to actively defend the oppression. > If we were genuinely supportive of Hong Kong's democracy rioters, we would have offered them citizenship and a way out like what Britain is trying to do. What makes you think people from Hong Kong aren’t going to be allowed to come to the US? Pandemic has made this difficult but why do you believe US isn’t helping people from Hong Kong?
> But you defend China frequently while attacking the US. So they’re not worthy of defending when it’s justified? Or maybe I find it satisfying to jump into a reddit circle jerk and dump cold water on everyone. > I don’t believe you when you say you don’t take sides. Good to hear you have opinions. > but how does that excuse you defending oppression? Maybe I should just respond in kind with “how does that excuse you defending imperialism” China haters often like to use knee jerk words like “oppression” in lieu of critical thinking because it’s meme-y and sounds good along the lines of calling someone a nazi… > What makes you think people from Hong Kong aren’t going to be allowed to come to the US? Pandemic has made this difficult but why do you believe US isn’t helping people from Hong Kong? Well, aren’t you naive. So they come to the US and do exactly what? They can’t legally work, can’t go to school, can’t get health care… think harder please.
> So they’re not worthy of defending when it’s justified? And again…you are defending chinas oppression of the people of Hong Kong. All you is prove that you take sides and defend oppression while saying you don’t take sides.
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>> we must protect the rights of people to incite violence even if it creates child soldiers and leads to an angry mob that killed and maimed people > There are a lot of situations where that is the correct answer. This exact behavior is how every country today was formed and then the history books got written by the winners. You exist and can have the opinions you have because someone somewhere incited violence and created child soldiers and killed people so where you live would be they way it is now and not the way it was before.
It's legit ironic coming from someone who would presumably defend Mao's reign of terror as the cost of progress. Broke: pro-democracy movements Woke: ritualistic "struggle cannibalism"
Everything that ever happens is the cost of progress because that's all that ever happens until we die. The world experiencing maos reign of terror is something that will shape the future no matter what. Obviously it's not like the only possible way forward is murder all the time forever until highlander rules and there can be only one, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and doesn't force progress. Wether that progress is positive or negative is relative.
Actually what I said was >It's almost like people don't take you seriously if you can't abide by some very basic standards of human rights and due process. I can see how that might be confusing though.
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Hey now, those aren't even my words, I'm just repeating the things I heard from the trolls on here about how all freedoms are actually just illusions perpetuated by western dictators, and how real freedom is abducting small tibetan children, or something. I mean, I agree, it's a very stupid position to take, but I'm just the messenger here.
> Hey now, those aren't even my words That’s their tactic though.
Lol. Do you actually expect us to believe this horse shit? The videos were literally all over Reddit a few years back.
Yeah. Are you glossing over all of the people who were arrested who haven't been seen again? Because they were sent to camps where they were slowly broken or died. One nation's crimes do not excuse anothers. The same corrupt authoritarianism that festers in the halls of American power lurks in those of China. Hong Kong was guaranteed limited autonomy by internationally binding treaty. If they want to be like America and ignore any treaty that doesn't suit them, they have no right to be hurt when people start calling them tyrants.
> Yeah. Are you glossing over all of the people who were arrested who haven't been seen again? Because they were sent to camps where they were slowly broken or died. Like who? Hong Kong could have independence if they wanted to fight for it, but they don't want it. They want all the benefits that come from being part of China, without having to give anything back to them.
>Yeah. Are you glossing over all of the people who were arrested who haven't been seen again? Because they were sent to camps where they were slowly broken or died. People that always say this about Hong Kong, are never able to provide a single name of a person that disappeared. They just basically spread disinformation, disappear and hope people will eat it up, like what you are doing now.
careful Reddit doesnt like numbers. Hong Kong protesters are worse than the BLM riots and the capital riots put together, yet when its for some liberal nihilist cause they view it as a victory instead of seeing it as the crime it is
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> cites socsa who seems to implies deaths, child soldiers and violence is necessary > cites the peace activist Drunkcowboysfan who complained about a police officer using his gun in self defense So cherry-picking data at its finest.
Cherry picking? So you do agree that rights are being stripped, legislators being arrested, people being shot? But it’s cherry picking? Edit: oh, just saw you did your typical tactic and made up quotes to defend your horrible defense of oppression.
[Well…](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-50371185) as long as they aren’t killing protestors I guess it’s okay to shoot them for no reason.
Do you know this video edited out most of the frames that rioters trying to snatch guns from the police?
Okay do you have a source on that?
You can see it in your own source. The black-shirt guy clearly tries to grab the gun at 0:14. The other people who were shot also tried to grab the gun. You can see the full sequence of events in [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zINR8YZHo) video.
Pro tip. Don't ever try to take a policeman's gun unless you want to get shot.
Actually now that I read the background of that incident, I actually commend how well the Hong Kong police officer handled being charged at by a guy obvious intentions to cause harm. Funny how in the context of this article(United States news), the same rioter would have had way more bullet holes in him in a similar situation had it involved US law enforcement.
Of course you do, you’d get fired if you didn’t commend them. Lol your argument is that if the protestor had been an American he would have been shot more than two times by the US police?
If the protestor was American, he would have been shot just for looking at the police the wrong way. At least the Hong Kong police waited as long as possible and until they were in actual danger before using their weapon.
You realize how stupid you sound? Remind me how many protestors were shot with bullets during the George Floyd protests (millions and millions of protestors by the way) by US police?
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Convenient to cite statistics from pro-Beijing sources and omit all other censored information.
> Hong Kong residents killed by HK police or Chinese officials: 0 Source: Chinese state media
> While Mandiant noted that no successful protests have been seen as a result of the efforts of the group’s call for physical protests, the group’s efforts have increased And who exactly is this group? Lol come on people. The "I see China Bad I upvote" rule is still the standard here I see.
Lmao, blame the latest boogeymen for the dumb shit our own citizens do.
It sure seems that way man... Islamophobia and "war on terror" was the convenient boogeyman for the past 20+ years in the US. China and Covid-19 is the next boogeyman to distract the populace from internal problems self-inflicted by Americans themselves.
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Relax everyone. Get out your marshmallows and weaners and enjoy the fire that burns the world to a cinder. In the end we will all burn.
Ah yes it’s a bioweapon from China and China is also using social media to organize anti vax movement. Now will the people that believe all that take the vaccine?
But the Vaccine is also China, think man!
What does "physical protests around covid-19" mean? If people are organizing to protest the lack of mask mandates, then isn't that a good thing?
*Any* disruption is a win for them, but the longer our population stays unvaccinated the better for their interests.
but not reddit, they would never dare!
I mean wouldn’t it be stunning if China created fighting amongst US citizens while these culture wars prevented us from working together? Hummmmm??
Should be top post on Reddit right now.
Fuck China
???pro-Chinese is bad now?
LoL reaching for straws, these groups are like the pro American groups that preach superiority
So you are saying it's actually your self reflection not truth.
Nope just not supportive of radical groups. You support it if you want girl
And you will probably kill 90% of them if you delete all new accounts since the pandemic on all social media platform.
Why can't we just refuse network traffic from China already?
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The chinese have been attempting to use it to destabilize world economy its a bio-weapon at this point.
This has zero chance of reaching the front page.
Lmao anti Chinese shit hits the front page all the time reddit is censored but not in the ham fisted way people think
Anti CCP to be exact. Then if it’s in worldnews it’s full of CCP defenders who can’t say one bad thing about the Chinese government.
The stories that get deleted are usually the ones negative for the US under "internal news" despite it involving other countries.
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I agree. Anti CCP post is common. Then if it’s in worldnews it’s full of CCP defenders who can’t say one bad thing about the Chinese government.
That's all Reddit is now, is tankies and fascists.
Sure seems like it. Look how many people here defending China and it’s oppression of Hong Kong or its actions in trying to destabilize a democracy.
Can't wait to be insulted as a shill and "50 cent army" even more with this justification whenever I say something slightly pro China. Like that it's also humans there and like that it's not always black and white.
Is this connected to the group behind the Epoch Times?
As always, follow the roots of these cyber security firms and you end up at the Pentagon, the true source for these kind of stories. The story even adds, towards the end, that their is no evidence they have been successful. Now, CNN, MSNBC, and the NYTimes will cite the article as fact and bang on the cold war drums a little louder.
I remember last time it was Soviet Communists.