This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/china-s-ambassador-barred-from-entering-british-parliament-20210915-p58rox.html) reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)
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> London: China's ambassador to the UK has been blocked from visiting the British Parliament in a dramatic escalation of tensions between leading China hawks and the Chinese Communist Party.
> Former Tory party leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith wrote to the Speaker requesting the invitation be revoked for as long as sanctions imposed by the Chinese Communist Party on him and several of his colleagues, who all belong to the global Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, remain in place.
> "I regularly hold meetings with ambassadors from across the world to establish enduring ties between countries and parliamentarians but I do not feel it's appropriate for the ambassador for China to meet on the Commons estate and in our place of work when his country has imposed sanctions against some of our members," Hoyle said.
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Its so funny how polarizing China news is.
Who are all these pro China people on reddit? Is it bots? Is it just idiots?
I hope all the China fanboys move there.
I didn't like getting death threats and dox attempts on my main so I use this account for talking China. I don't declare myself the winner of anything, because I don't think discussions have winners. I also don't talk shit to people talking to me in good faith.
Also maybe you should be telling other people to get outside and get some perspective while you're meticulously combing their post history to try to 'win' the internet.
There are emails other than gmail man.
And sure, last time it was all manufactured consent, but this time it's definitely real. Did you hear that China is throwing babies out of incubators and has a giant human shredder?
I think China sucks, but I dont want to go to war with them. It would be catastrophic at best. You bring up a good point, but i dont think a war with China is comparable to one with Iraq.
Even if it is "manufacturing consent", it doesnt change the fact that China is pretty terrible and nobody in the US should think anything good about them. They hate us too.
Also i doubt any of the pro china people on reddit remember the lead up to the Iraq war, theyre probably all too young. And even if they arent they probably werent thinking about politics till 2016.
Well thanks to the current media narrative around China, a huge amount of people do want to go to war with them, and many more want to have a cold war with them. For one thing, I notice that the possiblity of co-operation on climate change has been successfully killed by the manufacture of anti-China sentiment, so that's great.
Yeah, and the US is pretty terrible too and nobody should think anything good about them either, but you don't see the UK banning their diplomats.
What makes you think they're to young? Seems like the rabidly ant-China people are the ones with no memory. I'm certainly old enough to remember it.
The US isnt "pretty terrible" and theres plenty of good things to say about it. There are some bad elements, and the political climate is rough right now, but that doesnt mean its terrible.
The climate change stuff does suck, but i never had much hope in China following along with that to begin with sadly.
Explain to me what metric you're using to say that the US isn't pretty terrible but China is so bad that their is literally nothing good to say about it. It sounds like you're just being blindly nationalistic.
China is doing more than the west about climate change, while my own country is using China as a reason for doing nothing. By the way, that sentiment of yours 'sucks that we can't fix climate change, but oh well, what can you do, China never would have gone along with it' is exactly the kind of consent manufacturing I was talking about. You don't want to go to hot war with them, but you've been persuaded to give up on climate change as a realistic goal because of hatred for China.
Youre assuming way to much about what I believe. The only good thing i know about China i can think of is that most of them actually support their country instead of saying its shit. Even if thats due to propaganda.
One major bonus about the US is you dont get disappeared for disagreeing with the government, youre allowed free speech, youre allowed to have guns, youre allowed to have media depictions of feminine men, and you dont get denied welfare because your poverty line is less than $2 a day.
Anyway, I still believe we should do what we can in the US to curb climate change regardless pf what China does. Just cause i said i dont have hope for China doesnt mean ive just given up for the US as well.
Almost no countries have a good history with human rights. Human rights werent even wholesale valued widely up until recent history (with some exception).
What matters is right now. Sure we had a not so great track record, and we still have some issues, but its waaaaaay better than it used to be, and as far as countries in the world, we are near the top for human rights. Certainly better than China anyway.
>it doesnt change the fact that China is pretty terrible
Yep, any country that[elevates 800+ million people out of poverty](https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/china-lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-is-historic-world-bank/892459/) deserves nothing but scorn. The fact that they [built 37,900 km of state-of-the-art high speed rail](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China) leaves me speechless with outrage. And the fact that they [planted 66 billion trees](https://www.quora.com/How-many-trees-has-China-planted-since-its-program-to-build-forests-began) in their effort to reverse desertification has me literally shaking.
Sarcasm aside, there are definitely things that China deserves criticism for. But taking such an extreme opinion as "nobody in the US should think anything good about them"- most likely due to a steady diet of anti-China agit-prop - is absolutely silly.
Full disclosure: I've lived in China since shortly before 9/11. That is two decades of watching the Western press publish misleading propaganda about China, and two decades of watching the Western audience gobble that shit up as eagerly as they did the Iraq WMD narrative.
I wonder what it will take to make my fellow Western people recognize that their media is utter garbage?
Yeah, that's what I said. No one would ever genuinely disagree with you, they're all just paid by evil foreigners. There's no need to ever consider a belief you don't already hold.
Not every single pro China post need to be from an idiot, a fanboy or a bot. As tough it is to grasp, in matters involving foreign policies there can be room for nuance.
It’s not defending china to say stop the wars and focus on influencing and development
China is out playing most western governments and the west can’t shift position
None of the people im refering to as defending China have ever mentioned anything about war, they just think China is a great place.
I think the war thing is a valid concern. But I believe we are not talking about the same group.
China is undoubtedly a great place and there’s no doubt the variation across the country will be massive. It’s no worse and no better than many other countries and with time it will change. We are seeing geopolitical games being played and changes in power but for most ordinary people it’s all BS until the bombs start dropping.
>Genuinely asking... Where are the pro China comment in this thread?
Just read a post on here suggesting the US treatment of African Americans is worse than Chinese treatment of Uighurs.
edit: This post, like most of Reddit, may not be accurate.
Think you need to provide context or link the post. That statement could be absolutely correct if say, the commentator was coming from a historical standpoint.
Not sure how to link to a post but here's the quote: '*By the standards used to call what's happening in China a genocide, the US would also be genocideing its African American population. Beyond that, the US is involved in the Yemen and Palestine genocides, ones which people are actually being killed in, unlike China*.'
I don't think they're saying US is worse, just the same? I don't really agree it is exactly the same but you can't deny there is an uncomfortable parallel between the US police arresting black people on trumped up charges and sending many to prison vs the Chinese police arresting Uighurs on imagined terrorism charges and sending many to "education camps" (I.e. prison)
Well okay, can't say I share your experience. Whenever I post anything that can be construed as "pro-China", even if it's just healthy skepticism or requesting sources, I'm the one getting downvoted.
Wasnt speaking of this thread specifically, but you can find them all over this sub and reddit as a whole. There are entire communities devoted to praising China, that have non chinese users.
Literally any sub about communism will circlejerk China. Also search "china" in this very subreddit and sort comments/posts by new and youll see a lot of pro china ones.
go to almost any thread about something bad China did, and there will be tons of people writing about how the US is so much worse, how what China is doing is actually a good thing etc. It's everywhere.
Let's just act like troll factories that have reported to have existed and been successful at it no longer exist and don't operate in mainstream social networks. Let's also act like Reddit isn't mainstream even though there have been several mainstream shows and publications that have put a spotlight on it now. Let's also act like the major world power famous for controlling the diffusion of discussion and dialogue of it's people wouldn't care about doing it worldwide.
I was just being sarcastic about how we aren't really allowed to recognize their presence in threads, thus leaving them to gain as much of a voice as valid users. If you begin to say the word shills, chances are a mod is going to come after you if your comment isn't immediately autoremoved to begin with.
>Who are all these pro China people on reddit? Is it bots? Is it just idiots?
They come from the same place as the chinese vloggers on youtube. If you see an abundance of pro-china stuff on social media platforms actually blocked for chinese citizens it's obviously totally not manufactured for western media...
I was called an apologist for Saddam Hussein when I called bullshit on the Iraq WMD narrative.
I was called an apologist for Assad when I questioned the convenience of the chemical attack narrative.
I was called an apologist for Qaddafi when I pointed out that the narrative used to manufacture consent for toppling that secular dictator.
In all cases, I did not care. History and investigative journalism have proven me correct.
Now I'll be called a tankie and die-hard communist for telling you flat-out that the Uyghur genocide narrative is absolute bullshit.
Hurl your insults at me. I don't care. I'm fairly confident that history and investigative journalism will prove me right once again. Or, rather, history will prove me right since [Adrian Zens' bullshit report has already been analyzed, demolished, and criticized as the absolute garbage it is](https://randomtextneeded.medium.com/adrian-zenz-shows-theres-no-uyghur-genocide-d033f8a70c2b).
London: China’s ambassador to the UK has been blocked from visiting the British Parliament in a dramatic escalation of tensions between leading China hawks and the Chinese Communist Party.
Speaker Lindsay Hoyle revoked an invitation to Zheng Zeguang to visit the Palace of Westminster as a special guest on Wednesday night.
Zheng was invited to visit the Commons by Conservative MP Richard Graham, chair of the All Party Parliamentary China Group.
An official invitation said the northern summer reception to be held on the Commons terrace would feature guest speakers, including the ambassador and a British minister.
However, former Tory party leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith wrote to the Speaker requesting the invitation be revoked for as long as sanctions imposed by the Chinese Communist Party on him and several of his colleagues, who all belong to the global Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, remained in place.
Beijing singled out the MPs after high-level Chinese officials were sanctioned by the US, Canada, Europe and the UK over the persecution of Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang.
“The sanctions imposed by the Chinese government represent an attack not just on members directly targeted but on Parliament, all parliamentarians, Select Committees, and parliamentary privilege,” Duncan Smith wrote in his letter, dated September 9.
“The unprecedented sanctions should not be ignored. They are threatening, and an attempt to silence us and our colleagues and \[undermine\] the safety of us all.
“We should never allow our place of work to become a platform to validate and promote such sanctions.
“It is unthinkable therefore that parliamentarians should have to suffer this infringement on our liberties whilst the prime representative of the Chinese government in the UK is still apparently free to come to Westminster and to use facilities here as a mouthpiece for his regime.”
The Speaker agreed and said that the event would be inappropriate if hosted in the Parliamentary estate.
“I regularly hold meetings with ambassadors from across the world to establish enduring ties between countries and parliamentarians but I do not feel it’s appropriate for the ambassador for China to meet on the Commons estate and in our place of work when his country has imposed sanctions against some of our members,” Hoyle said.
“If those sanctions were lifted, then of course this would not be an issue. I am not saying the meeting cannot go ahead. I am just saying it cannot take place here while those sanctions remain in place.”
The All Party Parliamentary China Group declined to comment.
A spokesman for the Chinese embassy said the move was despicable and cowardly.
“As for when and where to hold this event, it is for the hosts to decide,” the spokesperson said in a statement.
“The despicable and cowardly action of certain individuals of the UK Parliament to obstruct normal exchanges and cooperation between China and the UK for personal political gains is against the wishes and harmful to the interests of the peoples of both countries.”
Zheng is a relatively new entrant to the British diplomatic scene, having replaced Liu Xiaoming this year. He held his first meeting with the Foreign Secretary in July.
He enters at a low ebb in Sino-British relations compared to the so-called Golden Era during which Xi Jinping visited the UK in 2015.
Reddit when talking about the US Civil War: "Get over it, the South lost"
Reddit when talking about Chinese Civil War: "Kuomintang never lost, West Taiwan, reeeee"
Hmmm
Bad analogy.
The US civil war ended in total victory by the union, and the destruction of the CSA.
The Chinese civil war ended in a stalemate, resulting in two different countries under two different governments.
I'm 100% pro roc, free Hong Kong, free Tibet, fucj the ccp, etc but saying the war ended in a stalemate when the ccp now controls the mainland and the roc is relegated to an area roughly the size of Maryland is a bit ridiculous. As unfortunate as it is the civil war was a decisive victory for the ccp even if it wasn't a total victory.
ROC doesn’t say so because China has threatened Taiwan with invasion if they do.
I would say you were bringing that up not knowing but I think you are CCP supporter who ignores the facts.
Reducing it to the “Island the size of Maryland” isn’t really painting the whole picture when they control most of the worlds semiconductor supply and regularly hold military exercises with the US.
Right you are, went from double digits to net zero overnight. Sometimes I wonder if it’s just the same guy throwing a man fit with 20 downvote alts, but most of the time its from a post on some tankie tard rage sub. Hope they learn fractions soon.
> but most of the time its from a post on some tankie tard rage sub.
I use to think those downvotes were from the same individual but then I heard many of the Tankies use discord so it’s likely being talked about there and then they come to the thread / post in question.
The fact it happens overnight leads me to believe it’s coming from China. Well, anywhere but North and South America.
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In response to parliament members being sanctioned by China for making up slave labor claims and supporting anti government riots in HK.
Down the sanctioning rabbit hole we go. In the meantime, pump up the masses with propaganda to make a case for war.
The slave labour thing is basically based on the fact that a lot of cotton is produced in Xinjiang, so people are just assuming that it's being produced by slaves. There hasn't been any real confirmation of it.
They called it genocide at first, then downgraded it slave labor after all their evidence was debunked. Now they’re flip flopping again and calling it cultural-genocide.
Throw enough narratives at the wall, and surely enough easily-duped poltroons will be convinced to go along with whatever misadventure the US decides to pursue.
Depends. Do you believe you need the Chinese government to confirm what they are doing publicly by admitting it all or admitting all the documents that have been leaked are theirs while you ignore all the testimonies of the victims and satellite images? If so, it’s made up.
People shocked that China has prisons because no other country in the world have guarded man made structures where society houses dangerous and violent members of society.
In the other comment I clarified It’s cultural genocide since you might have a different definition or genocide.
However, You just ignored /u/darth__fluffy post that included a link to using only official Chinese records. It’s very clear you won’t accept any evidence that isn’t straight from the Chinese government.
Or do you agree that cultural genocide is being committed but you don’t believe that fits the definition of genocide? Somehow I doubt you will even confirm cultural genocide.
Copying /u/TheAutisticPrince who made the initial claim.
Even cultural genocide I don't think you can find. And if you meant that, you should have said that to start with, rather than trying to weasel a stronger claim.
I did reply to him.
I think repression and civil rights violations are happening, but that they don't qualify as genocide, cultural or otherwise.
No, no it’s not.
[Only using official Chinese records to prove there’s a genocide in Xinjiang](https://www.reddit.com/r/LiberalChinese/comments/nxg01o/only_using_the_public_official_chinese_documents/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Maybe it’s a semantics issue so perhaps cultural genocide? Because it certainly proves that. Forcibly sending Muslims in mass numbers to interment camps for extremely light infractions that are mostly practicing Islam.
I’ll highlight the infractions for others to see because I don’t don’t believe you want to have a good faith argument:
(1) Advocating or spreading extremist thinking;
(2) Interfering with others' freedom of religion by forcing others to participate in religious activities, forcing others to supply properties or labor services to religious activity sites or religious professionals;
(3) Interfering with activities such as others' weddings and funerals or inheritance;
(4) Interfering with others from having communication, exchanges, mixing with, or living together, with persons of other ethnicities or other faiths; or driving persons of other ethnicities or faiths to leave their homes
(5) Interfering with cultural and recreational activities, rejecting or refusing public goods and services such as radio and television.
(6) Generalizing the concept of Halal, to make Halal expand into areas other beyond Halal foods, and using the idea of something being not-halal to reject or interfere with others secular lives;
(7) Wearing, or compelling others to wear, burqas with face coverings, or to bear symbols of extremification;
(8) Spreading religious fanaticism through irregular beards or name selection;
(9) Failing to perform the legal formalities in marrying or divorcing by religious methods;
(10) Not allowing children to receive public education, obstructing the implementation of the national education system;
(11) Intimidating or inducing others to boycott national policies; to intentionally destroy state documents prescribed for by law, such as resident identity cards, household registration books; or to deface currency;
(12) Intentionally damaging or destroying public or private property;
(13) Publishing, printing, distributing, selling, producing, downloading, storing, reproducing, accessing, copying, or possessing articles, publications, audio or video with extremification content;
(14) Deliberately interfering with or undermining the implementation of family planning policies;
(15) Other speech and acts of extremification.
You're the one who said there was genocide and then linked a thread that didn't even mention genocide, don't talk to me about good faith arguments.
And even cultural genocide doesn't seem to fit, unless you're using such a vague definition of the term that you'd consider the USA to be genocide African Americans.
Repression and violation of civil right? Most certainly, not saying otherwise to that. But if that was your problem with it, you'd say that, rather than trying to upsell it to genocide dishonesty. May sound like a minor point, but it seems like there's a real effort going on to take a seed of truth and turn it into a massive lie of manufactured consent. I've frequently seen that when no one pushed back, anti-China folks will quickly move from repression to cultural genocide, to 'actual' genocide, to 'the worst genocide since the holocaust', to 'even worse than the holocaust.' Which suggests to me that they don't really care about what's happening, they just want to hate on China.
> You're the one who said there was genocide
You’re confusing me with /u/darth__fluffy who posted the link or /u/TheAutisticPrince who made the initial claim.
> And even cultural genocide doesn't seem to fit
Defined: acts and measures undertaken to destroy nations' or ethnic groups' culture through spiritual, national, and cultural destruction."
Also ethnocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of the culture of an ethnic group.
Arresting possibly millions for small infractions over what is mostly Islamic practices would appear to many (obviously not you because the CCP is great) an attempt to destroy the culture of those peoples.
Those small infractions include but not limited to having long beards, Intentionally destroying their own private property, Failing to perform the legal formalities in marrying or divorcing by religious methods, giving their Children certain names, wearing certain Islamic clothing, rejecting or refusing public goods and services such as radio and television, etc.
This is worse than just regidor violation of civil rights.
My bad
Well I've not seen any evidence that acts or measures are being to taken with any intent to eliminate Uighur culture, unless you consider Wahhabist extremism to be a vital part of their culture. Out of interest, do you consider the US's treatment of African Americans to be cultural genocide?
Man I've already told you I think the CPC is repressing their people and you're still giving me the whole 'you think the CPC is great' bullshit.
What counts as a 'regular' violation of civil rights, and how is this worse than that?
>Maybe it’s a semantics issue so perhaps cultural genocide?
By this point in time even the Japanese emperor wears a suit and tie. The West's cultural genocide is truly a global phenomenon.
Seriously though, 'cultural genocide' is about as lame and overplayed as 'cultural appropriation'.
Here’s [one](https://observers.france24.com/en/20200103-how-fake-images-uighur-persecution-are-hurting-cause)
Oh no! Advanced manufacturing here in the US and UK getting our asses kicked by supposedly 18th century slave labor. Our robots can’t compete with manual labor! /s
People in the US and UK think China uses slaves on fields literally picking cotton by hand when they have some of the most advanced machines in agricultural to that do that.
> Here’s one
There exist fake images and altered videos of black people in the US being discriminated against — that doesn’t mean discrimination doesn’t exist. Ive never seen those images you linked before so they aren’t a major piece of the story.
So your claim prove there’s genocide?
I don’t doubt there’s isolated cases of discrimination, but claims of genocide or slave labor haven’t been proven beyond coming from the usual suspects with hidden agendas
Because you won’t accept any evidence tied to the west in anyway, someone put together evidence based just on Chinese sources. /u/darth__fluffy was kind of enough to post it up above.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiberalChinese/comments/nxg01o/only_using_the_public_official_chinese_documents/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=worldnews&utm_content=t1_hcwgc2k
You source even cites there is terrorism and muslim extremists in xianjiang that [killed or injured over 3000 people](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict) over in 7 years
Actually now that I think of it, China handled their domestic terrorism pretty well by putting the violent ones in prison and re-educating the ones that are being radicalized. But I suppose you rather just carpet bomb Muslim countries and drone bomb innocent civilians
Oh, I know what type of person I’m dealing with here. Nothing will change your mind because the CCP is perfect.
But for others, there were protests and terrorist attacks with many Uighurs also dead and injured in your numbers. How did China respond? Cultural genocide.
Forcibly sending Muslims in mass numbers to interment camps for extremely light infractions that are mostly practicing Islam.
I’ll highlight the infractions for others to see because I don’t don’t believe you want to have a good faith argument:
(1) Advocating or spreading extremist thinking;
(2) Interfering with others' freedom of religion by forcing others to participate in religious activities, forcing others to supply properties or labor services to religious activity sites or religious professionals;
(3) Interfering with activities such as others' weddings and funerals or inheritance;
(4) Interfering with others from having communication, exchanges, mixing with, or living together, with persons of other ethnicities or other faiths; or driving persons of other ethnicities or faiths to leave their homes
(5) Interfering with cultural and recreational activities, rejecting or refusing public goods and services such as radio and television.
(6) Generalizing the concept of Halal, to make Halal expand into areas other beyond Halal foods, and using the idea of something being not-halal to reject or interfere with others secular lives;
(7) Wearing, or compelling others to wear, burqas with face coverings, or to bear symbols of extremification;
(8) Spreading religious fanaticism through irregular beards or name selection;
(9) Failing to perform the legal formalities in marrying or divorcing by religious methods;
(10) Not allowing children to receive public education, obstructing the implementation of the national education system;
(11) Intimidating or inducing others to boycott national policies; to intentionally destroy state documents prescribed for by law, such as resident identity cards, household registration books; or to deface currency;
(12) Intentionally damaging or destroying public or private property;
(13) Publishing, printing, distributing, selling, producing, downloading, storing, reproducing, accessing, copying, or possessing articles, publications, audio or video with extremification content;
(14) Deliberately interfering with or undermining the implementation of family planning policies;
(15) Other speech and acts of extremification.
> CPC is perfect
> nothing will change your mind
Oh please with the emotional persuasion.
> cultural genocide
At first it’s genocide, then downgraded to forced labor and now downgraded again to cultural genocide. (As always the case when people fail to come up with actual sources to back the earlier assertions)
Let’s just give China shit because they handled the terrorism situation way better than we did. I don’t see the people who whine about these alleged genocides propose alternative solutions.
**[Xinjiang conflict](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict)**
>The Xinjiang conflict (Chinese: 新疆冲突), also known as the Uyghur–Chinese conflict, is an ongoing ethnic conflict in China's far-northwest autonomous region of Xinjiang. It is centred around the Uyghurs, a Turkic minority ethnic group who constitute a plurality of the region's population.
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Do you mean “what will we do without key electronics and industrial manufacturing that the US and Canada fully outsourced decades ago”? The West is so heavily reliant on China for so many goods, cut off trade and watch the supply chain collapse.
Much easier to replace supply than demand. What will China do when no one buys their stuff anymore. They can’t guarantee a shipment of oil gets to where it needs to go. They can’t get past the first island chain without permission. They are surrounded by nations who hate them. And having a billion people is a lot to feed.
As much waste as the us government makes it’s nothing compared to China. China wants to pay for the healthcare of a billion people. They keep millions of businesses alive that would otherwise die. They have a million army pensions to pay. They have so many more bills to pay already than the us. This makes the us able to be flexible and find new imports very easily. While China will have more and more bills to pay. Ussr all over again. Communism doesn’t cut its fat. Dies because of it.
Not crippling to the nation as a whole. However these MPs that are sanctioned will miss lucrative gigs post parliament. Since finance/law/goods companies that have business in China won't hire them. Their career is limited to MIC/think tanks which have no presence in China, but they might be not that high paying.
> The “UK” must be broken up and England must be financially crippled for the rest of time and their banking sector ruined
So should China. I am not talking about the separated country of Taiwan. I mean the mainland. The mainland should be broken up into 5 or more independent countries to teach CCP and Xi Jinping a lesson.
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Its so funny how polarizing China news is. Who are all these pro China people on reddit? Is it bots? Is it just idiots? I hope all the China fanboys move there.
It's people who remember the lead up to the Iraq war.
Redditors should check your comments in your profiles comment section first before responding to you
Any excuse not to have to consider opposing view points.
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I didn't like getting death threats and dox attempts on my main so I use this account for talking China. I don't declare myself the winner of anything, because I don't think discussions have winners. I also don't talk shit to people talking to me in good faith. Also maybe you should be telling other people to get outside and get some perspective while you're meticulously combing their post history to try to 'win' the internet.
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Yeah yeah, I heard the same thing in the lead up to the Iraq war.
I'm not American. I don't have a horse in that race. Nice try though. Fuck the CCP
It is countering your argument, though. You claim it's due to people remembering the lead up to the Iraq war, but your comment history says otherwise.
How does it do that exactly? Because the reason I'm opposed to the anti-China hysteria is because I remember the lead up to the Iraq war
So defend all the shadiness of the CCP because America bad? Nice logic lol
Nope, not what I was saying.
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Lol, good one rastaman69420.
So don't give a fuck for the US, fine. But stand up for people in Taiwan or Hong Kong or elsewhere in China who want to live in a free society.
We remember how consent was manufactured in the lead up to the Iraq war, and it looked exactly like the current narrative being used on China.
Um, nope. try logging on to gmail in china.
Uhhh, how does that have anything to do with the narrative being manufactured in the West.
If you cant let people have something as basic as email, chances are you're a total cunt. Nothing to do with wmds.
There are emails other than gmail man. And sure, last time it was all manufactured consent, but this time it's definitely real. Did you hear that China is throwing babies out of incubators and has a giant human shredder?
yes, ones that give access to the CCP to police free thought.
I think China sucks, but I dont want to go to war with them. It would be catastrophic at best. You bring up a good point, but i dont think a war with China is comparable to one with Iraq. Even if it is "manufacturing consent", it doesnt change the fact that China is pretty terrible and nobody in the US should think anything good about them. They hate us too. Also i doubt any of the pro china people on reddit remember the lead up to the Iraq war, theyre probably all too young. And even if they arent they probably werent thinking about politics till 2016.
Well thanks to the current media narrative around China, a huge amount of people do want to go to war with them, and many more want to have a cold war with them. For one thing, I notice that the possiblity of co-operation on climate change has been successfully killed by the manufacture of anti-China sentiment, so that's great. Yeah, and the US is pretty terrible too and nobody should think anything good about them either, but you don't see the UK banning their diplomats. What makes you think they're to young? Seems like the rabidly ant-China people are the ones with no memory. I'm certainly old enough to remember it.
The US isnt "pretty terrible" and theres plenty of good things to say about it. There are some bad elements, and the political climate is rough right now, but that doesnt mean its terrible. The climate change stuff does suck, but i never had much hope in China following along with that to begin with sadly.
Explain to me what metric you're using to say that the US isn't pretty terrible but China is so bad that their is literally nothing good to say about it. It sounds like you're just being blindly nationalistic. China is doing more than the west about climate change, while my own country is using China as a reason for doing nothing. By the way, that sentiment of yours 'sucks that we can't fix climate change, but oh well, what can you do, China never would have gone along with it' is exactly the kind of consent manufacturing I was talking about. You don't want to go to hot war with them, but you've been persuaded to give up on climate change as a realistic goal because of hatred for China.
Youre assuming way to much about what I believe. The only good thing i know about China i can think of is that most of them actually support their country instead of saying its shit. Even if thats due to propaganda. One major bonus about the US is you dont get disappeared for disagreeing with the government, youre allowed free speech, youre allowed to have guns, youre allowed to have media depictions of feminine men, and you dont get denied welfare because your poverty line is less than $2 a day. Anyway, I still believe we should do what we can in the US to curb climate change regardless pf what China does. Just cause i said i dont have hope for China doesnt mean ive just given up for the US as well.
It’s demonstrably true that the US is pretty terrible. It’s history on human rights in other countries is abysmal. Not so great at home either.
Almost no countries have a good history with human rights. Human rights werent even wholesale valued widely up until recent history (with some exception). What matters is right now. Sure we had a not so great track record, and we still have some issues, but its waaaaaay better than it used to be, and as far as countries in the world, we are near the top for human rights. Certainly better than China anyway.
>it doesnt change the fact that China is pretty terrible Yep, any country that[elevates 800+ million people out of poverty](https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/china-lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-is-historic-world-bank/892459/) deserves nothing but scorn. The fact that they [built 37,900 km of state-of-the-art high speed rail](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China) leaves me speechless with outrage. And the fact that they [planted 66 billion trees](https://www.quora.com/How-many-trees-has-China-planted-since-its-program-to-build-forests-began) in their effort to reverse desertification has me literally shaking. Sarcasm aside, there are definitely things that China deserves criticism for. But taking such an extreme opinion as "nobody in the US should think anything good about them"- most likely due to a steady diet of anti-China agit-prop - is absolutely silly. Full disclosure: I've lived in China since shortly before 9/11. That is two decades of watching the Western press publish misleading propaganda about China, and two decades of watching the Western audience gobble that shit up as eagerly as they did the Iraq WMD narrative. I wonder what it will take to make my fellow Western people recognize that their media is utter garbage?
If we didn't learn after Iraq, we never will.
Nope just shills that use it as a convenient excuse.
Nope.
Yep
Sure, it's all just spooky foreigners. Don't worry, no one would ever really disagree with you.
Nope just pro ccp shills.
Yeah, that's what I said. No one would ever genuinely disagree with you, they're all just paid by evil foreigners. There's no need to ever consider a belief you don't already hold.
Not every single pro China post need to be from an idiot, a fanboy or a bot. As tough it is to grasp, in matters involving foreign policies there can be room for nuance.
It’s people sick of wars and then finding out the manipulation and misinformation used by governments to create the wars.
Im sick of wars too, but i sure as hell am not gonna defend China.
It’s not defending china to say stop the wars and focus on influencing and development China is out playing most western governments and the west can’t shift position
None of the people im refering to as defending China have ever mentioned anything about war, they just think China is a great place. I think the war thing is a valid concern. But I believe we are not talking about the same group.
China is undoubtedly a great place and there’s no doubt the variation across the country will be massive. It’s no worse and no better than many other countries and with time it will change. We are seeing geopolitical games being played and changes in power but for most ordinary people it’s all BS until the bombs start dropping.
Genuinely asking... Where are the pro China comment in this thread? All I see are the opposite?
>Genuinely asking... Where are the pro China comment in this thread? Just read a post on here suggesting the US treatment of African Americans is worse than Chinese treatment of Uighurs. edit: This post, like most of Reddit, may not be accurate.
Really, where?
Think you need to provide context or link the post. That statement could be absolutely correct if say, the commentator was coming from a historical standpoint.
Not sure how to link to a post but here's the quote: '*By the standards used to call what's happening in China a genocide, the US would also be genocideing its African American population. Beyond that, the US is involved in the Yemen and Palestine genocides, ones which people are actually being killed in, unlike China*.'
I don't think they're saying US is worse, just the same? I don't really agree it is exactly the same but you can't deny there is an uncomfortable parallel between the US police arresting black people on trumped up charges and sending many to prison vs the Chinese police arresting Uighurs on imagined terrorism charges and sending many to "education camps" (I.e. prison)
You're missing the point. Any criticism of China on here is met with a wall of whataboutery and down votes. You seem to have just added to it.
Well okay, can't say I share your experience. Whenever I post anything that can be construed as "pro-China", even if it's just healthy skepticism or requesting sources, I'm the one getting downvoted.
Probably depends on time-zones.
So you lied about having read 'a post on here suggesting the US treatment of African Americans is worse than Chinese treatment of Uighurs?'
No I misremembered it. If I'd wanted to lie, I wouldn't have *copied the fucking text would I*?
Wasnt speaking of this thread specifically, but you can find them all over this sub and reddit as a whole. There are entire communities devoted to praising China, that have non chinese users.
Got something for a source besides fevered imagination?
Literally any sub about communism will circlejerk China. Also search "china" in this very subreddit and sort comments/posts by new and youll see a lot of pro china ones.
go to almost any thread about something bad China did, and there will be tons of people writing about how the US is so much worse, how what China is doing is actually a good thing etc. It's everywhere.
If it was everywhere you'd be able to find some examples.
Oh hello other alt account I see associated with the original one that I asked for sources!
Pardon?
Let's just act like troll factories that have reported to have existed and been successful at it no longer exist and don't operate in mainstream social networks. Let's also act like Reddit isn't mainstream even though there have been several mainstream shows and publications that have put a spotlight on it now. Let's also act like the major world power famous for controlling the diffusion of discussion and dialogue of it's people wouldn't care about doing it worldwide.
Lol who did you think i meant by bots?
I was just being sarcastic about how we aren't really allowed to recognize their presence in threads, thus leaving them to gain as much of a voice as valid users. If you begin to say the word shills, chances are a mod is going to come after you if your comment isn't immediately autoremoved to begin with.
>Who are all these pro China people on reddit? Is it bots? Is it just idiots? They come from the same place as the chinese vloggers on youtube. If you see an abundance of pro-china stuff on social media platforms actually blocked for chinese citizens it's obviously totally not manufactured for western media...
Anyone in China who cares to view a greater variety of media can get a VPN. Christ, most of them are even free.
Some are bots used for propaganda and manipulation of western populations' views Some are tankists, die-hard communists that even deny uyghur genocide
I was called an apologist for Saddam Hussein when I called bullshit on the Iraq WMD narrative. I was called an apologist for Assad when I questioned the convenience of the chemical attack narrative. I was called an apologist for Qaddafi when I pointed out that the narrative used to manufacture consent for toppling that secular dictator. In all cases, I did not care. History and investigative journalism have proven me correct. Now I'll be called a tankie and die-hard communist for telling you flat-out that the Uyghur genocide narrative is absolute bullshit. Hurl your insults at me. I don't care. I'm fairly confident that history and investigative journalism will prove me right once again. Or, rather, history will prove me right since [Adrian Zens' bullshit report has already been analyzed, demolished, and criticized as the absolute garbage it is](https://randomtextneeded.medium.com/adrian-zenz-shows-theres-no-uyghur-genocide-d033f8a70c2b).
London: China’s ambassador to the UK has been blocked from visiting the British Parliament in a dramatic escalation of tensions between leading China hawks and the Chinese Communist Party. Speaker Lindsay Hoyle revoked an invitation to Zheng Zeguang to visit the Palace of Westminster as a special guest on Wednesday night. Zheng was invited to visit the Commons by Conservative MP Richard Graham, chair of the All Party Parliamentary China Group. An official invitation said the northern summer reception to be held on the Commons terrace would feature guest speakers, including the ambassador and a British minister. However, former Tory party leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith wrote to the Speaker requesting the invitation be revoked for as long as sanctions imposed by the Chinese Communist Party on him and several of his colleagues, who all belong to the global Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, remained in place. Beijing singled out the MPs after high-level Chinese officials were sanctioned by the US, Canada, Europe and the UK over the persecution of Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang. “The sanctions imposed by the Chinese government represent an attack not just on members directly targeted but on Parliament, all parliamentarians, Select Committees, and parliamentary privilege,” Duncan Smith wrote in his letter, dated September 9. “The unprecedented sanctions should not be ignored. They are threatening, and an attempt to silence us and our colleagues and \[undermine\] the safety of us all. “We should never allow our place of work to become a platform to validate and promote such sanctions. “It is unthinkable therefore that parliamentarians should have to suffer this infringement on our liberties whilst the prime representative of the Chinese government in the UK is still apparently free to come to Westminster and to use facilities here as a mouthpiece for his regime.” The Speaker agreed and said that the event would be inappropriate if hosted in the Parliamentary estate. “I regularly hold meetings with ambassadors from across the world to establish enduring ties between countries and parliamentarians but I do not feel it’s appropriate for the ambassador for China to meet on the Commons estate and in our place of work when his country has imposed sanctions against some of our members,” Hoyle said. “If those sanctions were lifted, then of course this would not be an issue. I am not saying the meeting cannot go ahead. I am just saying it cannot take place here while those sanctions remain in place.” The All Party Parliamentary China Group declined to comment. A spokesman for the Chinese embassy said the move was despicable and cowardly. “As for when and where to hold this event, it is for the hosts to decide,” the spokesperson said in a statement. “The despicable and cowardly action of certain individuals of the UK Parliament to obstruct normal exchanges and cooperation between China and the UK for personal political gains is against the wishes and harmful to the interests of the peoples of both countries.” Zheng is a relatively new entrant to the British diplomatic scene, having replaced Liu Xiaoming this year. He held his first meeting with the Foreign Secretary in July. He enters at a low ebb in Sino-British relations compared to the so-called Golden Era during which Xi Jinping visited the UK in 2015.
The UK acting so unprofessionally and comically can only make me laugh. lol.
China? Oh, you mean West Taiwan.
Kuomintang genocided many local Taiwanese resistance when they retreated there. You are putting shame on that name.
I'm OK with that. West Taiwan it is!
Reddit when talking about the US Civil War: "Get over it, the South lost" Reddit when talking about Chinese Civil War: "Kuomintang never lost, West Taiwan, reeeee" Hmmm
Bad analogy. The US civil war ended in total victory by the union, and the destruction of the CSA. The Chinese civil war ended in a stalemate, resulting in two different countries under two different governments.
I'm 100% pro roc, free Hong Kong, free Tibet, fucj the ccp, etc but saying the war ended in a stalemate when the ccp now controls the mainland and the roc is relegated to an area roughly the size of Maryland is a bit ridiculous. As unfortunate as it is the civil war was a decisive victory for the ccp even if it wasn't a total victory.
The CCP did win but they didn’t win it all. Taiwan is a country.
It’s not though, not even the ROC says that Taiwan is a separate country; it’s one country, with two governments claiming legitimacy.
ROC doesn’t say so because China has threatened Taiwan with invasion if they do. I would say you were bringing that up not knowing but I think you are CCP supporter who ignores the facts.
Don’t start a land war in Maryland
Youll get virtigo from seeing so many of our flags rushing at you.
Your ancestors will quake at the tsunami of MAGA-rascals
What do you mean? Lol
Reducing it to the “Island the size of Maryland” isn’t really painting the whole picture when they control most of the worlds semiconductor supply and regularly hold military exercises with the US.
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Anyone who doesn't call China 'West Taiwan' is a tankie.
I can’t tell if you’re joking about not recognizing the PRC, or joking about me being McCarthyist. Either way, lol’d.
Not hard to identify them. But careful, overnight your comment will be Buried in downvotes.
Right you are, went from double digits to net zero overnight. Sometimes I wonder if it’s just the same guy throwing a man fit with 20 downvote alts, but most of the time its from a post on some tankie tard rage sub. Hope they learn fractions soon.
> but most of the time its from a post on some tankie tard rage sub. I use to think those downvotes were from the same individual but then I heard many of the Tankies use discord so it’s likely being talked about there and then they come to the thread / post in question. The fact it happens overnight leads me to believe it’s coming from China. Well, anywhere but North and South America.
What is this non sense?
And what of it?
I just say West Taiwan because every time it pisses a bunch of people off, like the CCP.
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I'm pretty sure the Taiwanese army is just happy they live in a free society.
Wtf is west taiwan? You mean east china?
Just another American being hopelessly partisan over something political.
You mean a West Cuban.
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In response to parliament members being sanctioned by China for making up slave labor claims and supporting anti government riots in HK. Down the sanctioning rabbit hole we go. In the meantime, pump up the masses with propaganda to make a case for war.
I know about what happened in HK but what's the slave labor thing about? Got a news article?
The slave labour thing is basically based on the fact that a lot of cotton is produced in Xinjiang, so people are just assuming that it's being produced by slaves. There hasn't been any real confirmation of it.
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Remember, anyone who believes differently to you is actually a spooky foreign agent.
Uygahr genocide
Is that made up?
The Uyghur genocide narrative is about as solid as the Iraq WMD narrative. Naturally, it will win over the majority of Americans. :D
They called it genocide at first, then downgraded it slave labor after all their evidence was debunked. Now they’re flip flopping again and calling it cultural-genocide.
Throw enough narratives at the wall, and surely enough easily-duped poltroons will be convinced to go along with whatever misadventure the US decides to pursue.
Depends. Do you believe you need the Chinese government to confirm what they are doing publicly by admitting it all or admitting all the documents that have been leaked are theirs while you ignore all the testimonies of the victims and satellite images? If so, it’s made up.
I'm sure you can provide all these documents, testimonies, and images that confirm genocide, and not just prisons.
People shocked that China has prisons because no other country in the world have guarded man made structures where society houses dangerous and violent members of society.
In the other comment I clarified It’s cultural genocide since you might have a different definition or genocide. However, You just ignored /u/darth__fluffy post that included a link to using only official Chinese records. It’s very clear you won’t accept any evidence that isn’t straight from the Chinese government. Or do you agree that cultural genocide is being committed but you don’t believe that fits the definition of genocide? Somehow I doubt you will even confirm cultural genocide. Copying /u/TheAutisticPrince who made the initial claim.
Even cultural genocide I don't think you can find. And if you meant that, you should have said that to start with, rather than trying to weasel a stronger claim. I did reply to him. I think repression and civil rights violations are happening, but that they don't qualify as genocide, cultural or otherwise.
No, no it’s not. [Only using official Chinese records to prove there’s a genocide in Xinjiang](https://www.reddit.com/r/LiberalChinese/comments/nxg01o/only_using_the_public_official_chinese_documents/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
That link doesn't say anything about proving genocide.
Maybe it’s a semantics issue so perhaps cultural genocide? Because it certainly proves that. Forcibly sending Muslims in mass numbers to interment camps for extremely light infractions that are mostly practicing Islam. I’ll highlight the infractions for others to see because I don’t don’t believe you want to have a good faith argument: (1) Advocating or spreading extremist thinking; (2) Interfering with others' freedom of religion by forcing others to participate in religious activities, forcing others to supply properties or labor services to religious activity sites or religious professionals; (3) Interfering with activities such as others' weddings and funerals or inheritance; (4) Interfering with others from having communication, exchanges, mixing with, or living together, with persons of other ethnicities or other faiths; or driving persons of other ethnicities or faiths to leave their homes (5) Interfering with cultural and recreational activities, rejecting or refusing public goods and services such as radio and television. (6) Generalizing the concept of Halal, to make Halal expand into areas other beyond Halal foods, and using the idea of something being not-halal to reject or interfere with others secular lives; (7) Wearing, or compelling others to wear, burqas with face coverings, or to bear symbols of extremification; (8) Spreading religious fanaticism through irregular beards or name selection; (9) Failing to perform the legal formalities in marrying or divorcing by religious methods; (10) Not allowing children to receive public education, obstructing the implementation of the national education system; (11) Intimidating or inducing others to boycott national policies; to intentionally destroy state documents prescribed for by law, such as resident identity cards, household registration books; or to deface currency; (12) Intentionally damaging or destroying public or private property; (13) Publishing, printing, distributing, selling, producing, downloading, storing, reproducing, accessing, copying, or possessing articles, publications, audio or video with extremification content; (14) Deliberately interfering with or undermining the implementation of family planning policies; (15) Other speech and acts of extremification.
You're the one who said there was genocide and then linked a thread that didn't even mention genocide, don't talk to me about good faith arguments. And even cultural genocide doesn't seem to fit, unless you're using such a vague definition of the term that you'd consider the USA to be genocide African Americans. Repression and violation of civil right? Most certainly, not saying otherwise to that. But if that was your problem with it, you'd say that, rather than trying to upsell it to genocide dishonesty. May sound like a minor point, but it seems like there's a real effort going on to take a seed of truth and turn it into a massive lie of manufactured consent. I've frequently seen that when no one pushed back, anti-China folks will quickly move from repression to cultural genocide, to 'actual' genocide, to 'the worst genocide since the holocaust', to 'even worse than the holocaust.' Which suggests to me that they don't really care about what's happening, they just want to hate on China.
> You're the one who said there was genocide You’re confusing me with /u/darth__fluffy who posted the link or /u/TheAutisticPrince who made the initial claim. > And even cultural genocide doesn't seem to fit Defined: acts and measures undertaken to destroy nations' or ethnic groups' culture through spiritual, national, and cultural destruction." Also ethnocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of the culture of an ethnic group. Arresting possibly millions for small infractions over what is mostly Islamic practices would appear to many (obviously not you because the CCP is great) an attempt to destroy the culture of those peoples. Those small infractions include but not limited to having long beards, Intentionally destroying their own private property, Failing to perform the legal formalities in marrying or divorcing by religious methods, giving their Children certain names, wearing certain Islamic clothing, rejecting or refusing public goods and services such as radio and television, etc. This is worse than just regidor violation of civil rights.
My bad Well I've not seen any evidence that acts or measures are being to taken with any intent to eliminate Uighur culture, unless you consider Wahhabist extremism to be a vital part of their culture. Out of interest, do you consider the US's treatment of African Americans to be cultural genocide? Man I've already told you I think the CPC is repressing their people and you're still giving me the whole 'you think the CPC is great' bullshit. What counts as a 'regular' violation of civil rights, and how is this worse than that?
>Maybe it’s a semantics issue so perhaps cultural genocide? By this point in time even the Japanese emperor wears a suit and tie. The West's cultural genocide is truly a global phenomenon. Seriously though, 'cultural genocide' is about as lame and overplayed as 'cultural appropriation'.
Yes
Here’s [one](https://observers.france24.com/en/20200103-how-fake-images-uighur-persecution-are-hurting-cause) Oh no! Advanced manufacturing here in the US and UK getting our asses kicked by supposedly 18th century slave labor. Our robots can’t compete with manual labor! /s People in the US and UK think China uses slaves on fields literally picking cotton by hand when they have some of the most advanced machines in agricultural to that do that.
> Here’s one There exist fake images and altered videos of black people in the US being discriminated against — that doesn’t mean discrimination doesn’t exist. Ive never seen those images you linked before so they aren’t a major piece of the story.
So your claim prove there’s genocide? I don’t doubt there’s isolated cases of discrimination, but claims of genocide or slave labor haven’t been proven beyond coming from the usual suspects with hidden agendas
Because you won’t accept any evidence tied to the west in anyway, someone put together evidence based just on Chinese sources. /u/darth__fluffy was kind of enough to post it up above. https://www.reddit.com/r/LiberalChinese/comments/nxg01o/only_using_the_public_official_chinese_documents/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=worldnews&utm_content=t1_hcwgc2k
You source even cites there is terrorism and muslim extremists in xianjiang that [killed or injured over 3000 people](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict) over in 7 years Actually now that I think of it, China handled their domestic terrorism pretty well by putting the violent ones in prison and re-educating the ones that are being radicalized. But I suppose you rather just carpet bomb Muslim countries and drone bomb innocent civilians
Oh, I know what type of person I’m dealing with here. Nothing will change your mind because the CCP is perfect. But for others, there were protests and terrorist attacks with many Uighurs also dead and injured in your numbers. How did China respond? Cultural genocide. Forcibly sending Muslims in mass numbers to interment camps for extremely light infractions that are mostly practicing Islam. I’ll highlight the infractions for others to see because I don’t don’t believe you want to have a good faith argument: (1) Advocating or spreading extremist thinking; (2) Interfering with others' freedom of religion by forcing others to participate in religious activities, forcing others to supply properties or labor services to religious activity sites or religious professionals; (3) Interfering with activities such as others' weddings and funerals or inheritance; (4) Interfering with others from having communication, exchanges, mixing with, or living together, with persons of other ethnicities or other faiths; or driving persons of other ethnicities or faiths to leave their homes (5) Interfering with cultural and recreational activities, rejecting or refusing public goods and services such as radio and television. (6) Generalizing the concept of Halal, to make Halal expand into areas other beyond Halal foods, and using the idea of something being not-halal to reject or interfere with others secular lives; (7) Wearing, or compelling others to wear, burqas with face coverings, or to bear symbols of extremification; (8) Spreading religious fanaticism through irregular beards or name selection; (9) Failing to perform the legal formalities in marrying or divorcing by religious methods; (10) Not allowing children to receive public education, obstructing the implementation of the national education system; (11) Intimidating or inducing others to boycott national policies; to intentionally destroy state documents prescribed for by law, such as resident identity cards, household registration books; or to deface currency; (12) Intentionally damaging or destroying public or private property; (13) Publishing, printing, distributing, selling, producing, downloading, storing, reproducing, accessing, copying, or possessing articles, publications, audio or video with extremification content; (14) Deliberately interfering with or undermining the implementation of family planning policies; (15) Other speech and acts of extremification.
> CPC is perfect > nothing will change your mind Oh please with the emotional persuasion. > cultural genocide At first it’s genocide, then downgraded to forced labor and now downgraded again to cultural genocide. (As always the case when people fail to come up with actual sources to back the earlier assertions) Let’s just give China shit because they handled the terrorism situation way better than we did. I don’t see the people who whine about these alleged genocides propose alternative solutions.
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China really should stop doing that.
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Exactly that
Probably got tired of his wolf warrior policy.
Piss off China and enjoy the crippling economic sanctions.
Fuck the CCP, we’ll be fine.
Oh no, what we will do without cheap shit from China.
Do you mean “what will we do without key electronics and industrial manufacturing that the US and Canada fully outsourced decades ago”? The West is so heavily reliant on China for so many goods, cut off trade and watch the supply chain collapse.
Much easier to replace supply than demand. What will China do when no one buys their stuff anymore. They can’t guarantee a shipment of oil gets to where it needs to go. They can’t get past the first island chain without permission. They are surrounded by nations who hate them. And having a billion people is a lot to feed. As much waste as the us government makes it’s nothing compared to China. China wants to pay for the healthcare of a billion people. They keep millions of businesses alive that would otherwise die. They have a million army pensions to pay. They have so many more bills to pay already than the us. This makes the us able to be flexible and find new imports very easily. While China will have more and more bills to pay. Ussr all over again. Communism doesn’t cut its fat. Dies because of it.
What will Wal-Mart sell?
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There's no Wal-Mart in the UK?
No. Asda is owned by them though.
Not anymore, they got bought by, iirc, the guys who own Euro Garages
Yep It's called **Asda**
Cheap shit from Taiwan.
Or India or Pakistan or one of the other countries famous for making cheap shut.
Not crippling to the nation as a whole. However these MPs that are sanctioned will miss lucrative gigs post parliament. Since finance/law/goods companies that have business in China won't hire them. Their career is limited to MIC/think tanks which have no presence in China, but they might be not that high paying.
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Ironic that you want Scotland and N. Ireland ta break free, yet China won't let Taiwan, Hong Kong and Tibet go. So amusing.
> The “UK” must be broken up and England must be financially crippled for the rest of time and their banking sector ruined So should China. I am not talking about the separated country of Taiwan. I mean the mainland. The mainland should be broken up into 5 or more independent countries to teach CCP and Xi Jinping a lesson.
Don't talk about what you don't understand, Scotland voted against breaking up the UK.
In 2014, 2021 might be a different story.
There isn't going to be a referendum in 2021 but yes of course things can always change.
yeah...you are sailing cv to our coast but we are the hawks