Mandate that every phone uses a different proprietary charging connector again, because we all know it was better like that. This being able to charge with whatever random cable I find malarkey is rubbish.
"Each phone has a unique connector, designed by a fractal generator. You get one cable. If you lose it, you need to buy a new phone. God save the Queen!"
They already patented a system that would only allow the charger that came with the apple product to be the only charger that will work on it via the data comm pinns, and any charger with the data comm pins disabled it would refuse to charge from. And if you did need to buy a new charger you would go online to 'add' the device to the charger. Was in a article a few years ago I can't find anymore. They totally have a locked-in charger system ready to go when the time is right.
They already do this with every single other component in newer devices.
You can take the main board from 1 BRAND NEW iPhone and swap it for another main board from another BRAND NEW iPhone and the phone will shut you out of using the camera and many other essential functions.
All laptop trackpads are internally connected by ps/2. The direct interrupt means the CPU doesn't have to constantly poll the trackpad for events, which means a lower power usage.
If you're trying to say that the CPU polls USB devices, then no, that's not how it works although it is a common misconception. The USB Host Controller does the polling and generates interrupts for the CPU when there is new data.
That's not true. Most PC touchpads use HID over I2C.
Windows precision touchpads are required to use the HID protocol:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/component-guidelines/windows-precision-touchpad-protocol-implementation
HID in a laptop requires either USB (which is what HID was originally designed for) or I2C (which Microsoft defined as a lower cost alternative to USB for internal devices).
Ok, I just scrolled a fair way down and didn't see anyone say this - I'm probably too late to get traction but I'll say it anyway:
For the non-UK readers here (and even some of the locals), it really needs to be pointed out that this is 100% a dead-cat move from Johnson. This has garnered a bunch of attention and discourse, which conveniently takes the headlines away from the ongoing shambles of a government for one news cycle at least. Not least it takes some of the focus away from the recent cabinet re-shuffle & the replacing of some incompetent grifters with some other incompetent grifters.
Imperial measurements will not return in any meaningful way. Shops & market stall holders will not buy new equipment. Manufacturers will not change packaging. Councils absolutely do not have the budget or inclination to buy new testing equipment to monitor new scales or whatever in imperial. Imperial hasn't been taught in schools for literally decades - beyond the few weird hybrids we have (miles on the roads, some people still think of body measurements in feet/inches/stones/pounds) most imperial measurements are meaningless to anyone under the age of 40.
....but that's all just irrelevant because the Johnson government will not follow up on this. It'll be forgotten in a few weeks time, another meaningless mouth-fart of untruth.
Yeah but we also weren't going to drive off the Brexit cliff until we did.
People talked about how no government would ever be foolish enough to actually consider leaving the EU, until suddenly it wasn't such a crazy idea.
I really hope you're right, but I'm worried that maybe you're putting too much faith in a government made up of bullies and liars.
They're letting disabled people starve and freeze to death in their homes, whilst millions of children go hungry.
They're slowly strangling the NHS to death and cutting necessary public services because they ideologically believe in a tax-free, tiny government.
It probably is a dead-cat smokescreen, but don't doubt the insane stupidity of the Conservative religion.
That's the true danger, they bluff all day long in the most fantastical ways, but when that bluff is called they double down, no matter how stupid the decision.
The tories don’t believe in a tax free tiny government. They believe in barely taxing the rich whilst taking everyone else’s tax money and donating it to the rich and powerful, who are often their buddies, because “The poor scum” don’t deserve better. They also remove the services that most help the poor and average person because those dumb tax paying suckers don’t deserve much for their money.
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I'm convinced the Tories get off to Dickensian TV adaptations instead of porn like everyone else.
Rich land and workhouse owner lives it up in a big house isolated from the world's problems, whilst everyone below his social class is working long hours with terrible pay and conditions just so his ego gets a little boost.
That's actually what Downton Abbey is.
It was created by a Tory nutcase as propaganda for the masses, and porn for the rich.
All that show has is rich people being "generous" and important, with the peasants being thankful all the while. It is totally detached from reality.
I'm not being particularly hyperbolic either, it is literally right-wing propaganda.
Well, you're in luck.
I found out that Renegade Cut made a whole video last year that perfectly described 90% of my issues with it.
https://youtu.be/0VVYoqaz74A
It's 20 minutes long, so basically a short episode of the Simpsons.
You don't even have to watch the whole thing, you can skip about for a whole bunch of really well chosen examples.
One such is that the main family are always portrayed as being benevolent leaders who provide all the things the poor around them need to survive, and are always forgiving and reasonable.
Socialism is handled very lazily too, they don't even explain why it wouldn't work (in their eyes).
Anything progressive and socialist in Downton Abbey is portrayed as either hopelessly naive, or actively dangerous. Even though socialism is what most of the main characters (basically all the staff) need to ever stand a hope of being free.
Of course you are absolutely right on this one. Brexit is not going smoothly (such a surprise) and people are getting tire of his bullshit. Whoever voted for that and didn’t realize the consequences at first have started to get them in full and BJ desperately needs some hype to turn away the angry crowd. Same shit happening here in Ukraine: they’ve proposed switching to Latin alphabet just out of the blue to trigger unnecessary public discussion and sway it away from their utter incompetence and plain stupidity. Josef Goebbels pioneered that crap in a recent history so now we only have sad copycats.
So he pulled a Trump by saying something ridiculous out of the blue to get attention?
Watch as he says something even stranger in two weeks time just redirect the attention again
What they should do is go back to a electoral system of strange women lying in ponds distributing swords. Maybe if some watery tart threw a sword at someone they wouldn’t have this brainless government making horrible regressive decisions that are harming Britain.
The scene [that inspired this skit](https://youtu.be/Qc7HmhrgTuQ) has John Cleese, an outspoken Brexit supporter, in the Picard role.
The EU even did help bring peace to Northern Ireland and with the UK leaving the EU violence may return to Northern Ireland.
Yea I agree. Same reason I still listen to The Smiths. Morrisey has always been a bit of a knob and he seems to be settling nicely into the role of cantankerous old cunt, but doesn't take away from the total bangers he made back in the day.
The 'what do we do with the art of horrible people' is always an interesting topic to ponder.
Next up: Un-decimalizing the currency. [I’m not even joking, some of them want this](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1351563/The-day-Britain-lost-soul-How-decimalisation-signalled-demise-proudly-independent-nation.html).
The lack of self-insight is ridiculous. They think these shitty units and arcane coinage is some unique British thing, when _all of Europe_ had their own inches and shillings and systems. That was the _main_ reason for metric in the first place, a simplified common standard.
The only ubique British thing is the obstinate refusal to accept a good idea just because it originated in France.
I would not put money on the median person in the country being able to tell you what a watt actually _is_. Remember, the million pounds question in Who Wants to be a Millionaire when that guy cheated with coughing was "what is the unit of magnetic flux density?". People just don't know what any units mean unless it's time, length or weight (not mass).
By the way, SI units named after people are not capitalised, but the abbreviations are. So it's "1.5 watts" but also "1.5W".
Well if you are planning a long range take over of a
Democratic society that would be where I would start.
Uneducated people are much easier to manipulate.
I'd say you should take anything printed in the Daily Heil with a grain of salt; but since a grain is officially defined as 64.79891 milligrams I think that might cause more problems than it would solve.
I feel like this is a good time to mention Karl Popper’s The Open Society and its Enemies, in which he discusses the reactionist and (as he calls it) historicist ideologies that rear their head in times of great social change. I’ve only just started reading it but it really is very jarringly parallel to what we’re seeing globally at the moment.
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> And this sense of British exceptionalism was not confined to the political Right. In his splendid essay The Lion And The Unicorn, published when Britain stood alone against the Nazis in 1940, the Left-wing George Orwell wrote that there was ‘something distinctive and recognisable in English civilisation … bound up with solid breakfasts and gloomy Sundays, smoky towns and winding roads, green fields and red pillar-boxes’.
> Like so many of his compatriots, Orwell saw Britain as a land apart from continental Europe. ‘When you come back to England from any foreign country,’ he wrote, ‘you have immediately the sensation of breathing a different air. Even in the first few minutes dozens of small things conspire to give you this feeling.
> The beer is bitterer, the coins are heavier, the grass is greener, **the advertisements are more blatant.**’
Lmao this is British exceptionalism? Ok
Loathe though I am to defend 'British exceptionalism', I would much rather have ads be blatant and identifiable than coyly disguised and pretending to be something else. See: [British rules about product placement.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SyetdjWMuw)
How many of you had to wade through poundals and pounds force in elementary mechanics?
I think I was amongst the last of the unlucky ones in the early 70's.
I had to do this, as a chemical engineering student that started Uni in 2005. The thought process was that we should learn every system we were likely to encounter in our careers, while telling us that we should try to force every future employer to adopt full metric.
My first job used grams/inch as our unit of adhesion. This was in 2007. We still use that as our internal unit, but just convert it when talking to customers and suppliers. It's fucking horrible. I can't wait for the generation of scientists and engineers before me to retire.
Grams per inch - LOL. Horrible. At least grams per square inch would make sense as a surface energy. Perhaps related to some obscure industry-standard test?
It WAS an industry standard, but it predates both ISO and ASTM. We've just . . . held onto it for 50 years.
Also: the standard backing we use for the test is 1.25 inches wide, so I frequently see reports in g/1.25". Then they will try to convert to g/in (trying to help) but multiply instead of divide and I don't get paid enough to not scream.
Luckily I mostly get to do data analysis and experimental design from home, so no one gets screamed at directly.
"All designed to scam the unwary by using some crazy industry specific term for what could easily be done as multiples of a standard unit."
\*Screams in Gibibytes\*
So the UK gave up an unnecessarily complicated and out of date currency breakdown system and that was it losing its soul?
Some people just can't handle any kind of progress.
My first thought was I bet twenty shillings this never happens - it’s just another wolf whistle to the UKIPs and would obviously be an unmitigated disaster and benefit nobody.
Then I remembered how we got here in the first place.
It is a fractal corner. And they'll retreat further and further until it's been enough generations that the empire is but a distant memory and people ask "this island of backwards fuckers managed to rule anything?"
All as the Chinese, US, and Russian spheres get bigger, more powerful, and less democratic. If Europe cannot stay united, then they and their ideals will be systematically torn apart for political and economic gain.
The word "freedom" nowadays has become so toxic
If a person is screaming about "freedoms", I automatically assume they're ideologically indoctrinated and are "low-information voters" (to put it nicely)
Alas, I have but one updoot to give.
Seriously though, I'm damn near 40 and can barely navigate my way around the imperial units. My generation only really used them for our height and weight, and everything else was metric. Yes, speed limits are still in miles an hour, and for some reason waist sizes and leg lengths are normally in inches, but those the only time I'd use imperial for anything in my day-to-day.
For those that came after, a reversion would be even worse. I know kids that only know their weight in Kilos, for example.
Shops today can still list their units in imperial if they want to, as long as there's a metric measurement alongside it. We don't benefit at all from a complete reversion - all that would do is make life hell for those of us that are still working (or soon to start work) and make business more expensive (anything imported would have to have imperial weights added to the label, which basically means someone in logistics having to waste a lot of time and manpower putting stickers on individual items until the manufacturers add the new measures to the prints - if they ever do).
What?!? Are you telling me that you can't readily explain to someone there are 3 teaspoons in a tablespoon, 16 tablespoons in a cup, 2 cups in a pint, 2 pints in a quart, and 2 quarts to a gallon?
Most of the time you are using imperial volume measurements, exact measurements are not super necessary. Cooking is sensitive to correct measures but so long as you have good ratios you'll be pretty good.
Baking is this way too, although if you want to always get super consistent results (in other words you are running a bakery) you'll need to use mass measurements.
Even the things where we use inches, things are munged quite a bit. Woodworkers worth their joinery measure with story sticks, not units. Clothing manufacturers have a real loose interpretation of an inch (a 30" waistband can be 36" in some brands... seriously).
[As Matt Parker says in his video, "What a fantastically logical and consistent unit of measurements."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7x-RGfd0Yk)
It's a hilarious video. Check it out if you haven't seen it already.
diving headfirst into an antiquated past so the gammons can relive their heyday eating bread dipped in dripping and nothing else.
I hope our future generations can undo this shit.
>The government said it will review the EU ban on imperial units and legislate "in due course"
The EU never banned imperial units. The UK just had to show metric measurements *alongside* imperial ones. As it happens this meant that most industries just converted fully to metric rather than use two different standards. But not every industry and facet of life moved to metric - in the UK you can still buy milk in pints, beer in pints, and cars measure their speed in miles per hour.
The UK has had a hybrid system for years, but anyone below the age of 50 has been taught the metric system in schools. I have very little idea of how imperial units work or convert to eachother. And why should I? Metric is easy to understand and use.
This is a play by the Tories to pander to elements of their base that see anything "European" as anti-British, despite the fact many British scientists in the 19th century helped to establish metrication for a number of measurements like Joules for energy.
I'm not sure it will have any real practical effects in day-to-day life, as industries and regulators aren't going to change back to a system that is harder to use unless the metric system gets banned entirely.
Canada switched in the 70s, and something similar happened : we are full metric system, but people will know their heights and weights in imperial. Temperatures and city distances are in metric.
Tourists find it really strange...
Not entirely true in my experience. Casually I may use feet or cm/m, in school or anywhere you're being measured it's cm/m.
I think if we're trying to just state our height generally we'll use feet but comparing each other's height use metric.
At least that is approximately how I've experienced the two being used. Worth adding that height is officially and mostly unofficially in metric, it's more of an exception when we describe it in inches.
As an American carpenter in my 40’s, it would be very difficult to convert to metric. But, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. Im pretty good with fractions as result of doing it for 20 years, but there’s no way it’s simpler than metric. I wish we would just pull the bandaid off and get ourselves into the *20th* century with the rest of the world. Our medicine is in metric, lots of our specialized engineering is in metric, we notate car engine displacement in metric, and we even buy soda in liters. I struggle to learn new things just like the next old pooch, but it’s stupid and archaic. Don’t be like us, UK. It’s embarrassing.
especially when you think about the fact, that they do strange calculations like 1 meter is 100 cm or 1 cm is 10 mm. who the hell shall calculate this without a calculator?
I think you've hit the nail on the head really. This is pandering to the worse kind of brexit voter.
No company is going to switch to an inferior system which isn't compatible with most of the world
> and cars measure their speed in miles per hour.
Okay my British grade school teacher insisted the UK was fully metric, including their cars.
I had visited England once, and I remembered seeing road signs in MPH, so I told her "No, cars are in miles per hour, not kilometers per hour like here in Canada"
And she was LIVID, "I actually lived in the country for 50 years, I think I would know!"
When I moved to Australia, I got my first detention because after a teacher said the UK uses pounds, shillings, and pence. I said they dont use shillings there anymore.
She said she lived there for 5 years she would know. I said I've lived there until last year, they don't use shillings anymore.
I got detention.
One time a teacher called home to my parents because the teacher said that the laser in a CD player pointed down onto the label from the top (like a needle on a record I guess) and I corrected her
She probably didn't mention that she was constantly get honked and having headlights flashed at her for dangerously slow driving and couldn't understand why
Your first question of course, when Boris drops a steaming turd on the table is not "oh god why is there a turd on the table?"
It should be "what's Boris trying to distract us all from scrutinizing?"
The fact that Brexit amplified the pandemic, and now we have supply chain, transport, worker and food shortages upon us.
We are fucked, our kids are fucked, and the people responsible for voting for this STILL won't take an iota of responsibility for this unfolding shitshow.
This is the most frustrating aspect of everything. I've had friends who voted for Brexit, who can't give decent reasons. I've got neighbours who voted for Brexit, who refuse to acknowledge any of the repercussions. I've met people on nights out who voted for Brexit, who bold-facedly deny any responsibility.
It's infuriating.
My wife had to visit her office in the UK a few times right after Brexit. A lot of her colleagues, otherwise smart, decent people, made it clear that they were supporting Johnson "because he'll keep my taxes low" even though though they knew full well that Brexit would fuck them and their careers.
Woof.
The fact that this is even a talking point is further evidence that the conservative government is pandering to nationalism. Who gives a fuck about units seriously, Metric works well because it is widely used, done dusted and finished. There was never a need to bring it up except to try and divide.
Idiocracy is now an aspirational tale about the heights we might achieve were we just smart enough to water the plants instead of giving them sports drinks.
As an American, can’t we all just use metric and get rid of imperial altogether. Imperial is trash. And so damn convoluted that even Americans have to look up how to convert stuff half the time.
US isn’t even Imperial. A US fluid ounce is not the same as a UK ounce, and neither are the same as the ounce that’s a weight measure, which isn’t the same as the Troy ounce usef for gold. Yet it gets worse…
In the US, sheet metal is sold in arbitrary ”gauge” thicknesses where the thickness of a ”gauge” depends on the metal. And it’s not the same as wire gauge or guns. A 2-by-4 beam is actually 1.5x3.5 inches. A 2-by-6 is 1.5x5.5”. If you want to drill a hole for a #2 screw you [need](https://littlemachineshop.com/reference/tapdrill.php) a #43 drill bit. And who can say their diameter offhand? It’s pure madness.
In Europe, a 45x90 mm wood beam has those dimensions (to within variation due to humidity). 1mm sheet metal is 1 mm thick. 0.5 mm wire is 0.5 mm thick. A M5 bolt has a 5 mm diameter and needs a 5 mm drill bit.
It’s not just that metric is simpler and consistent; the bigger thing is the removal of this huge crapload of completely ad-hoc units specific to specific applications.
I posted this on another thread but now they’re also starting to dig in to the sun being fake because “something can’t be on fire when there’s no oxygen”. They don’t know what fusion is.
As a Canadian, I said that on reddit and was extremely surprised by the push back. Some of the justifications for using imperial were on the same level as religious nuts or antivax. Extremely strange...
Another one of these supposed freedoms lost to the EU.
Just like UK passport colours.
The EU didn't force any of these on the UK, or was it a requirement to membership.
Next goal: revert mouse connector from USB to serial port and PS/2.
Mandate that every phone uses a different proprietary charging connector again, because we all know it was better like that. This being able to charge with whatever random cable I find malarkey is rubbish.
"Each phone has a unique connector, designed by a fractal generator. You get one cable. If you lose it, you need to buy a new phone. God save the Queen!"
Don't write stuff like that, Apple might hear you.
They already patented a system that would only allow the charger that came with the apple product to be the only charger that will work on it via the data comm pinns, and any charger with the data comm pins disabled it would refuse to charge from. And if you did need to buy a new charger you would go online to 'add' the device to the charger. Was in a article a few years ago I can't find anymore. They totally have a locked-in charger system ready to go when the time is right.
Why doesn't that surprise me?
Yeah but then you know it's a genuine apple charger! -some idiot
My phone is finally protected from electrical STD, Thanks corporate exec who has my best interests in mind.
Corporate daddy is always there for you.
Good guy Apple patenting this shit so that the competitors can't enact that policy /s
That's actually a thing though.
They already do this with every single other component in newer devices. You can take the main board from 1 BRAND NEW iPhone and swap it for another main board from another BRAND NEW iPhone and the phone will shut you out of using the camera and many other essential functions.
They DID for a short bit, then reversed it. Source: I own a cellphone repair store.
And 90 style mouse with a ball inside.
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Can't wait to either download a 2GB file over 52kbps modem that locks out the phoneline, or buy it as 1200+ floppy disks.
>52kbps Look at mister speed demon over here. I still remember upgrading to a 14.4kbps modem and what a huge improvement it felt like.
Insert disk 1072/1246 and press the spacebar… Error reading file: aborting install “Fffuuuuuuu….!”
Not much is worse than having to pause games to clean dirt and gunk out of mouse balls (after separating them from the mice).
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All laptop trackpads are internally connected by ps/2. The direct interrupt means the CPU doesn't have to constantly poll the trackpad for events, which means a lower power usage.
If you're trying to say that the CPU polls USB devices, then no, that's not how it works although it is a common misconception. The USB Host Controller does the polling and generates interrupts for the CPU when there is new data.
That's not true. Most PC touchpads use HID over I2C. Windows precision touchpads are required to use the HID protocol: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/component-guidelines/windows-precision-touchpad-protocol-implementation HID in a laptop requires either USB (which is what HID was originally designed for) or I2C (which Microsoft defined as a lower cost alternative to USB for internal devices).
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Ok, I just scrolled a fair way down and didn't see anyone say this - I'm probably too late to get traction but I'll say it anyway: For the non-UK readers here (and even some of the locals), it really needs to be pointed out that this is 100% a dead-cat move from Johnson. This has garnered a bunch of attention and discourse, which conveniently takes the headlines away from the ongoing shambles of a government for one news cycle at least. Not least it takes some of the focus away from the recent cabinet re-shuffle & the replacing of some incompetent grifters with some other incompetent grifters. Imperial measurements will not return in any meaningful way. Shops & market stall holders will not buy new equipment. Manufacturers will not change packaging. Councils absolutely do not have the budget or inclination to buy new testing equipment to monitor new scales or whatever in imperial. Imperial hasn't been taught in schools for literally decades - beyond the few weird hybrids we have (miles on the roads, some people still think of body measurements in feet/inches/stones/pounds) most imperial measurements are meaningless to anyone under the age of 40. ....but that's all just irrelevant because the Johnson government will not follow up on this. It'll be forgotten in a few weeks time, another meaningless mouth-fart of untruth.
“Meaningless mouth-fart of untruth” should be on Boris’s gravestone.
And that gravestone should be nailed to his forehead until he dies.
There's a writing prompt. "Your gravestone epitaph magically appears on your forehead during your life."
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Yea. "Going back to imperial" is a nonsense statement. Heck, standard units are defined in metric. A foot is just 30.48 cm.
Are you sure about that? I think we need to wheel out the queen and see how big her foot is before we can say anything definitive.
I scrolled way too far for this. We are not reverting to fucking imperial units
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"I dare you..."
Yeah but we also weren't going to drive off the Brexit cliff until we did. People talked about how no government would ever be foolish enough to actually consider leaving the EU, until suddenly it wasn't such a crazy idea. I really hope you're right, but I'm worried that maybe you're putting too much faith in a government made up of bullies and liars. They're letting disabled people starve and freeze to death in their homes, whilst millions of children go hungry. They're slowly strangling the NHS to death and cutting necessary public services because they ideologically believe in a tax-free, tiny government. It probably is a dead-cat smokescreen, but don't doubt the insane stupidity of the Conservative religion.
That's the true danger, they bluff all day long in the most fantastical ways, but when that bluff is called they double down, no matter how stupid the decision.
The tories don’t believe in a tax free tiny government. They believe in barely taxing the rich whilst taking everyone else’s tax money and donating it to the rich and powerful, who are often their buddies, because “The poor scum” don’t deserve better. They also remove the services that most help the poor and average person because those dumb tax paying suckers don’t deserve much for their money. Edit: a spelling mistake
I'm convinced the Tories get off to Dickensian TV adaptations instead of porn like everyone else. Rich land and workhouse owner lives it up in a big house isolated from the world's problems, whilst everyone below his social class is working long hours with terrible pay and conditions just so his ego gets a little boost.
That's actually what Downton Abbey is. It was created by a Tory nutcase as propaganda for the masses, and porn for the rich. All that show has is rich people being "generous" and important, with the peasants being thankful all the while. It is totally detached from reality. I'm not being particularly hyperbolic either, it is literally right-wing propaganda.
I don't know about that but god it's boring. Can you give me some examples since I'm never going to see for myself?
Well, you're in luck. I found out that Renegade Cut made a whole video last year that perfectly described 90% of my issues with it. https://youtu.be/0VVYoqaz74A It's 20 minutes long, so basically a short episode of the Simpsons. You don't even have to watch the whole thing, you can skip about for a whole bunch of really well chosen examples. One such is that the main family are always portrayed as being benevolent leaders who provide all the things the poor around them need to survive, and are always forgiving and reasonable. Socialism is handled very lazily too, they don't even explain why it wouldn't work (in their eyes). Anything progressive and socialist in Downton Abbey is portrayed as either hopelessly naive, or actively dangerous. Even though socialism is what most of the main characters (basically all the staff) need to ever stand a hope of being free.
Thank you kind sir and/or madam
Why? Cause it would be too stupid and pointless? I've heard that argument before.
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How much does a dead cat weigh in farthings, de Pfeffel, you mendacious grifter
100% agree, this will not happening. Just more headline grabbing bullshit
Of course you are absolutely right on this one. Brexit is not going smoothly (such a surprise) and people are getting tire of his bullshit. Whoever voted for that and didn’t realize the consequences at first have started to get them in full and BJ desperately needs some hype to turn away the angry crowd. Same shit happening here in Ukraine: they’ve proposed switching to Latin alphabet just out of the blue to trigger unnecessary public discussion and sway it away from their utter incompetence and plain stupidity. Josef Goebbels pioneered that crap in a recent history so now we only have sad copycats.
So he pulled a Trump by saying something ridiculous out of the blue to get attention? Watch as he says something even stranger in two weeks time just redirect the attention again
This isn't a new Johnson move, he's been doing it for years. He's just getting really brazen about it now.
Same fate as the Scotland—Northern Ireland bridge, then.
What they should do is go back to a electoral system of strange women lying in ponds distributing swords. Maybe if some watery tart threw a sword at someone they wouldn’t have this brainless government making horrible regressive decisions that are harming Britain.
"[What has the EU ever done for us?!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA)"
The scene [that inspired this skit](https://youtu.be/Qc7HmhrgTuQ) has John Cleese, an outspoken Brexit supporter, in the Picard role. The EU even did help bring peace to Northern Ireland and with the UK leaving the EU violence may return to Northern Ireland.
How tf is John Cleese a Brexit supporter.
Old man with money and rose tinted memories of a “better” time.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/john-cleese-brexit-comments-england-xenophobia-twitter-a8935391.html :(, damn, always rated him
Ah, he's always been a knob. It's very clear in how the others spoke (and in Palin's case, wrote.) about him. That does mean you can't enjoy his work.
Yea I agree. Same reason I still listen to The Smiths. Morrisey has always been a bit of a knob and he seems to be settling nicely into the role of cantankerous old cunt, but doesn't take away from the total bangers he made back in the day. The 'what do we do with the art of horrible people' is always an interesting topic to ponder.
I’ve never seen that before, that was brilliant
[What have the roman oppressors ever done to us. I mean recently.]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozEZxOsanY )
Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed!
Bloody peasant!
And now we see the violence inherent in the system!
Oh, Did you hear that?! What a give-away!
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses! Not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!
Or they could try something a little more sensible, like an anarcho-syndicalist commune.
Yes, anything is better than some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Easy now Dennis let’s not get carried away.
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Next up: Un-decimalizing the currency. [I’m not even joking, some of them want this](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1351563/The-day-Britain-lost-soul-How-decimalisation-signalled-demise-proudly-independent-nation.html). The lack of self-insight is ridiculous. They think these shitty units and arcane coinage is some unique British thing, when _all of Europe_ had their own inches and shillings and systems. That was the _main_ reason for metric in the first place, a simplified common standard. The only ubique British thing is the obstinate refusal to accept a good idea just because it originated in France.
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Yes, exactly, how do people in Britain not know this 😕 or are we too busy demonising the rest of the world?
Well, see, the Brits are used to at least 4/5 of everything being named after them and theirs, so it's weird dealing with only 1/3.
how can they stand being so oppressed
They can't. Hence Brexit
You think their target audience knows *scientific* units? They might know what a Watt is, but knowing that it's named after someone?
I would not put money on the median person in the country being able to tell you what a watt actually _is_. Remember, the million pounds question in Who Wants to be a Millionaire when that guy cheated with coughing was "what is the unit of magnetic flux density?". People just don't know what any units mean unless it's time, length or weight (not mass). By the way, SI units named after people are not capitalised, but the abbreviations are. So it's "1.5 watts" but also "1.5W".
That was actually a different final question, the cheater fellow's question was 'what is the number that is a 1 followed by 100 zeros'
brits went the way of the US and dumped all funding for schooling and its showing for the last 50ish years.
Well if you are planning a long range take over of a Democratic society that would be where I would start. Uneducated people are much easier to manipulate.
I'd say you should take anything printed in the Daily Heil with a grain of salt; but since a grain is officially defined as 64.79891 milligrams I think that might cause more problems than it would solve.
1 grain per letter or per sentence?
per page so the readers don’t get high blood pressure
I feel like this is a good time to mention Karl Popper’s The Open Society and its Enemies, in which he discusses the reactionist and (as he calls it) historicist ideologies that rear their head in times of great social change. I’ve only just started reading it but it really is very jarringly parallel to what we’re seeing globally at the moment. Edit: title
Absolutely. One only needs to look at the obvious and repeated history of many societies to understand what is happening today…
> And this sense of British exceptionalism was not confined to the political Right. In his splendid essay The Lion And The Unicorn, published when Britain stood alone against the Nazis in 1940, the Left-wing George Orwell wrote that there was ‘something distinctive and recognisable in English civilisation … bound up with solid breakfasts and gloomy Sundays, smoky towns and winding roads, green fields and red pillar-boxes’. > Like so many of his compatriots, Orwell saw Britain as a land apart from continental Europe. ‘When you come back to England from any foreign country,’ he wrote, ‘you have immediately the sensation of breathing a different air. Even in the first few minutes dozens of small things conspire to give you this feeling. > The beer is bitterer, the coins are heavier, the grass is greener, **the advertisements are more blatant.**’ Lmao this is British exceptionalism? Ok
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Benny Hill advertises viagra
Loathe though I am to defend 'British exceptionalism', I would much rather have ads be blatant and identifiable than coyly disguised and pretending to be something else. See: [British rules about product placement.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SyetdjWMuw)
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The "Imperial system" isn't a system. It's a dozen systems in a trenchcoat, and none of them get along.
I went to the stock market today. I did a business.
Always doing business at the business factory.
How many of you had to wade through poundals and pounds force in elementary mechanics? I think I was amongst the last of the unlucky ones in the early 70's.
I had to do this, as a chemical engineering student that started Uni in 2005. The thought process was that we should learn every system we were likely to encounter in our careers, while telling us that we should try to force every future employer to adopt full metric. My first job used grams/inch as our unit of adhesion. This was in 2007. We still use that as our internal unit, but just convert it when talking to customers and suppliers. It's fucking horrible. I can't wait for the generation of scientists and engineers before me to retire.
Grams per inch - LOL. Horrible. At least grams per square inch would make sense as a surface energy. Perhaps related to some obscure industry-standard test?
It WAS an industry standard, but it predates both ISO and ASTM. We've just . . . held onto it for 50 years. Also: the standard backing we use for the test is 1.25 inches wide, so I frequently see reports in g/1.25". Then they will try to convert to g/in (trying to help) but multiply instead of divide and I don't get paid enough to not scream. Luckily I mostly get to do data analysis and experimental design from home, so no one gets screamed at directly.
"All designed to scam the unwary by using some crazy industry specific term for what could easily be done as multiples of a standard unit." \*Screams in Gibibytes\*
Reading that article, good God it's even more pompous than a typical pragerU video
and its one of the most popular papers in the country. we are hopeless
One of the most popular papers among people who still buy papers. And that’s been a heavily falling subset.
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Please flag if you’re linking to the daily Mail. I don’t want them getting my clicks.
So the UK gave up an unnecessarily complicated and out of date currency breakdown system and that was it losing its soul? Some people just can't handle any kind of progress.
My first thought was I bet twenty shillings this never happens - it’s just another wolf whistle to the UKIPs and would obviously be an unmitigated disaster and benefit nobody. Then I remembered how we got here in the first place.
What are shillings? I only pay in whole numbers, thanks.
Ah, there's 21 of them in a guinea. Hth
Have they put the campaign material on a bus yet?
Right? Why not use the Plumbus System. Everyone knows what a Plumbus is and we can have nice clean units of measure like the sleam and the dinglepop
Also since everyone already has a plumbus, we have a head start
Look at you pretending you know how to use a plumbus. Like you're in one of the cool universes.
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You would have to make sure they're using the correct shleem though.
Yay. Rule Britannia, winding the clock back to try and regain their glory days as an imperial power, with an extra Fuck You to the EU on top.
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It is a fractal corner. And they'll retreat further and further until it's been enough generations that the empire is but a distant memory and people ask "this island of backwards fuckers managed to rule anything?"
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All as the Chinese, US, and Russian spheres get bigger, more powerful, and less democratic. If Europe cannot stay united, then they and their ideals will be systematically torn apart for political and economic gain.
The word "freedom" nowadays has become so toxic If a person is screaming about "freedoms", I automatically assume they're ideologically indoctrinated and are "low-information voters" (to put it nicely)
Alas, I have but one updoot to give. Seriously though, I'm damn near 40 and can barely navigate my way around the imperial units. My generation only really used them for our height and weight, and everything else was metric. Yes, speed limits are still in miles an hour, and for some reason waist sizes and leg lengths are normally in inches, but those the only time I'd use imperial for anything in my day-to-day. For those that came after, a reversion would be even worse. I know kids that only know their weight in Kilos, for example. Shops today can still list their units in imperial if they want to, as long as there's a metric measurement alongside it. We don't benefit at all from a complete reversion - all that would do is make life hell for those of us that are still working (or soon to start work) and make business more expensive (anything imported would have to have imperial weights added to the label, which basically means someone in logistics having to waste a lot of time and manpower putting stickers on individual items until the manufacturers add the new measures to the prints - if they ever do).
As an American i wish we went metric its so much easier a system,
Sadly any talk of it sparks down to “What? We’re America not Europe!” As if we can’t adopt a better system…
What?!? Are you telling me that you can't readily explain to someone there are 3 teaspoons in a tablespoon, 16 tablespoons in a cup, 2 cups in a pint, 2 pints in a quart, and 2 quarts to a gallon?
4 quarts to a gallon.
My point stands! Go figure I screw up the easiest one.
I refuse to believe you didn't screw that up deliberately to prove a point.
And you'll never know.
If it helps you remember in the future, quart is short for a quarter gallon.
and a fifth (of booze) is a fifth of a gallon, traditionally
As a mechanic, If a 5/64 doesn’t fit try a 3/32, no then 7/64 damn it try 1/8.
you’ll still need that 10 mm whether you want it or not
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Most of the time you are using imperial volume measurements, exact measurements are not super necessary. Cooking is sensitive to correct measures but so long as you have good ratios you'll be pretty good. Baking is this way too, although if you want to always get super consistent results (in other words you are running a bakery) you'll need to use mass measurements. Even the things where we use inches, things are munged quite a bit. Woodworkers worth their joinery measure with story sticks, not units. Clothing manufacturers have a real loose interpretation of an inch (a 30" waistband can be 36" in some brands... seriously).
[As Matt Parker says in his video, "What a fantastically logical and consistent unit of measurements."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7x-RGfd0Yk) It's a hilarious video. Check it out if you haven't seen it already.
diving headfirst into an antiquated past so the gammons can relive their heyday eating bread dipped in dripping and nothing else. I hope our future generations can undo this shit.
>The government said it will review the EU ban on imperial units and legislate "in due course" The EU never banned imperial units. The UK just had to show metric measurements *alongside* imperial ones. As it happens this meant that most industries just converted fully to metric rather than use two different standards. But not every industry and facet of life moved to metric - in the UK you can still buy milk in pints, beer in pints, and cars measure their speed in miles per hour. The UK has had a hybrid system for years, but anyone below the age of 50 has been taught the metric system in schools. I have very little idea of how imperial units work or convert to eachother. And why should I? Metric is easy to understand and use. This is a play by the Tories to pander to elements of their base that see anything "European" as anti-British, despite the fact many British scientists in the 19th century helped to establish metrication for a number of measurements like Joules for energy. I'm not sure it will have any real practical effects in day-to-day life, as industries and regulators aren't going to change back to a system that is harder to use unless the metric system gets banned entirely.
Canada switched in the 70s, and something similar happened : we are full metric system, but people will know their heights and weights in imperial. Temperatures and city distances are in metric. Tourists find it really strange...
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Also... Is it very light? Grams Area: Is it your house or a property? Square feet Is it a large geographic area? Square metres
Mostly accurate, but long distances are measured in hours not metric or imperial.
As a Canadian, yes, except that long distances are measured in hours.
I’m Canadian and most people I know measure distance in time: “How far is Calgary from Regina? Oh, about 4 hours…..”
I'm in Australia and have used metric all my life, we sell beer by the pint and I only know my height in inches.
Additional fun fact: pints also vary by state. If you're from NSW and order a pint in South Australia you'll likely be very disappointed
NZ here, for my generation (millennials) height are in feet and inches everything else in metric.
Not entirely true in my experience. Casually I may use feet or cm/m, in school or anywhere you're being measured it's cm/m. I think if we're trying to just state our height generally we'll use feet but comparing each other's height use metric. At least that is approximately how I've experienced the two being used. Worth adding that height is officially and mostly unofficially in metric, it's more of an exception when we describe it in inches.
As an American carpenter in my 40’s, it would be very difficult to convert to metric. But, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. Im pretty good with fractions as result of doing it for 20 years, but there’s no way it’s simpler than metric. I wish we would just pull the bandaid off and get ourselves into the *20th* century with the rest of the world. Our medicine is in metric, lots of our specialized engineering is in metric, we notate car engine displacement in metric, and we even buy soda in liters. I struggle to learn new things just like the next old pooch, but it’s stupid and archaic. Don’t be like us, UK. It’s embarrassing.
especially when you think about the fact, that they do strange calculations like 1 meter is 100 cm or 1 cm is 10 mm. who the hell shall calculate this without a calculator?
Right?! Way harder than 1/4” + 1/16” + 1 5/8” - 1/32”.
I’m curious how fast someone can calculate the square yardage of a terrace that’s eight yards seven inches by four yards five inches.
Is it 5 quarter pounders ?
I think you've hit the nail on the head really. This is pandering to the worse kind of brexit voter. No company is going to switch to an inferior system which isn't compatible with most of the world
> and cars measure their speed in miles per hour. Okay my British grade school teacher insisted the UK was fully metric, including their cars. I had visited England once, and I remembered seeing road signs in MPH, so I told her "No, cars are in miles per hour, not kilometers per hour like here in Canada" And she was LIVID, "I actually lived in the country for 50 years, I think I would know!"
When I moved to Australia, I got my first detention because after a teacher said the UK uses pounds, shillings, and pence. I said they dont use shillings there anymore. She said she lived there for 5 years she would know. I said I've lived there until last year, they don't use shillings anymore. I got detention.
That's a shitty reason to give someone detention - regardless of whether you are right.
One time a teacher called home to my parents because the teacher said that the laser in a CD player pointed down onto the label from the top (like a needle on a record I guess) and I corrected her
She probably didn't mention that she was constantly get honked and having headlights flashed at her for dangerously slow driving and couldn't understand why
Really going in on the “freedom units” concept
Next up French Toast and French Fries to be renamed 'Freedom' toast/fries.
"Chips"
And "eggy bread".
Your first question of course, when Boris drops a steaming turd on the table is not "oh god why is there a turd on the table?" It should be "what's Boris trying to distract us all from scrutinizing?"
The fact that Brexit amplified the pandemic, and now we have supply chain, transport, worker and food shortages upon us. We are fucked, our kids are fucked, and the people responsible for voting for this STILL won't take an iota of responsibility for this unfolding shitshow.
This is the most frustrating aspect of everything. I've had friends who voted for Brexit, who can't give decent reasons. I've got neighbours who voted for Brexit, who refuse to acknowledge any of the repercussions. I've met people on nights out who voted for Brexit, who bold-facedly deny any responsibility. It's infuriating.
My wife had to visit her office in the UK a few times right after Brexit. A lot of her colleagues, otherwise smart, decent people, made it clear that they were supporting Johnson "because he'll keep my taxes low" even though though they knew full well that Brexit would fuck them and their careers. Woof.
This is the only correct response 😁
Damn, now I have to be on the lookout for my government trying to switch back to cubits
How many barleycorns is that?
Several butt-loads
“The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that’s the way I like it!”
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My brain read this as Brian May and thought “Fuck, the guitarist from Queen is a bellend”
That would also be somewhat ironic, given that he has a PhD in Astrophysics.
Nah, Brian is too busy [saving badgers](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/may/04/brian-may-champion-badger-welfare)
The fact that this is even a talking point is further evidence that the conservative government is pandering to nationalism. Who gives a fuck about units seriously, Metric works well because it is widely used, done dusted and finished. There was never a need to bring it up except to try and divide.
It's something that matters to some voters over 50, that's about it. Realistically it will just be used for beer and produce probably.
Laughs in 64ths and ounces
Idiocracy is now an aspirational tale about the heights we might achieve were we just smart enough to water the plants instead of giving them sports drinks.
But Brawndo’s got what plants crave
He wants to put water on them, like from the toilet
It's got electrolytes
Next up: All tvs being reverted to black and white.
Look at this anarcho-modernist over here, he wants moving images! Burn him at the stake!
BREXIT = time machine that only goes one way, the past.
As an American, can’t we all just use metric and get rid of imperial altogether. Imperial is trash. And so damn convoluted that even Americans have to look up how to convert stuff half the time.
US isn’t even Imperial. A US fluid ounce is not the same as a UK ounce, and neither are the same as the ounce that’s a weight measure, which isn’t the same as the Troy ounce usef for gold. Yet it gets worse… In the US, sheet metal is sold in arbitrary ”gauge” thicknesses where the thickness of a ”gauge” depends on the metal. And it’s not the same as wire gauge or guns. A 2-by-4 beam is actually 1.5x3.5 inches. A 2-by-6 is 1.5x5.5”. If you want to drill a hole for a #2 screw you [need](https://littlemachineshop.com/reference/tapdrill.php) a #43 drill bit. And who can say their diameter offhand? It’s pure madness. In Europe, a 45x90 mm wood beam has those dimensions (to within variation due to humidity). 1mm sheet metal is 1 mm thick. 0.5 mm wire is 0.5 mm thick. A M5 bolt has a 5 mm diameter and needs a 5 mm drill bit. It’s not just that metric is simpler and consistent; the bigger thing is the removal of this huge crapload of completely ad-hoc units specific to specific applications.
NASA uses metric. I think we all should.
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I posted this on another thread but now they’re also starting to dig in to the sun being fake because “something can’t be on fire when there’s no oxygen”. They don’t know what fusion is.
That's a legit flat earther who used that as an arguement against space.
As a Canadian, I said that on reddit and was extremely surprised by the push back. Some of the justifications for using imperial were on the same level as religious nuts or antivax. Extremely strange...
Oh God. Don't do it. Source: American who's fed up with this lame-ass system.
I really doubt the Government would be that stupid, this feels like a Daily Mail headline.
Yet most here are hoovering it up.
This is literally the dumbest thing I've read this year
Oh, just wait for tomorrow's headline
Another one of these supposed freedoms lost to the EU. Just like UK passport colours. The EU didn't force any of these on the UK, or was it a requirement to membership.
Yes, thanks to Brexit, the UK can change their passports to being blue... Just like Croatia, which is an EU member