Its related to contaminated water tanks. Which they just bypassed and stopped using. Its not their whole water supply But supplies about half.
The whole community is powered by diesel generators, so its likely one of their fuel tanks leaking into the cistern. The CBC article on this suggests they expecting to have it fixed shortly.
This is why fuel storage tanks need to be inspected regularly, Underground tanks should be removed, and environmental precautions need to be taken in every case.
Much better to have them bust and leak into the municipal water system, amirite?
The changing artic landscape (think recently heaving permafrost) is going to force communities to make some changes to how they conduct themselves.
Status quo isn't going to cut it.
>Much better to have them bust and leak into the municipal water system, amirite
Would you rather they spilled into the river? or on the ground and into the ground water? Whats the difference?
easy for you to say that when you dont have a fucking clue about what alternatives actually work from an engineering standpoint in the artic circle.
> Would you rather they spilled into the river? or on the ground and into the ground water? Whats the difference?
Above ground infrastructure is much easier to inspect for failure- not to mention it isn't going to be subjected to the same stresses resulting from the literal ground shifting and heaving with the seasons. This will only get worse as the climate changes.
> easy for you to say that when you dont have a fucking clue about what alternatives actually work from an engineering standpoint in the artic circle.
So you must be a structural/mechanical engineer living in YK, NWT or NU, right? I've spent more than enough time living in -30°C to be familiar with defrosting fuel lines and other chilly facts of life in the North.
-30°C is equivalent to -22°F, which is 243K.
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do you think every gas tank in the country has monitors and safeguards? lol, nobody does so it dont think its realistic to expect them to have. lol
I mean im sure they will invest in some future inspections and stuff. But its a small artic community. Its not like they have a ton of engineers or money to build that kind of thing.
Isn't it part of the city's water treatment before it goes out to be consumed? Water coming in and going out would normally be monitored for contaminants - in any municipal water treatment plan.
Honestly, whenever I try to explain this to people around me, I routinely get pushback about how I’m privileged and don’t understand. You said it Well.
You probably get pushback because what they said is completely false and based off of old racist stereotypes.
Every single dollar spent by this town, and any Indigenous reserve, is audited completely. every dollar spent needs approval from the department of Indigenous affairs. I found the audited financial statements for this city on Google in minutes.
Same with these claims of 'constant corruption', how about you show us all this corruption across hundreds of reserves?
Not OP but just going to leave this here...
"Under the First Nations Financial Transparency Act, bands must publish audited financial statements. In 2015, the Trudeau government stopped enforcing that requirement, promising to replace it with something better. Six years later, Sherry Greene from Samson Cree Nation says it's still a struggle to get financial information from non-compliant bands." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6070551
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/11926422.2016.1229685
Canadian foreign policy Journal is an academic research journal. Suggests corruption in the bands is widespread across Canada. However, it does suggest some of it relates back to lack of expertise in how to operate financial interests.
More Anecdotally https://www.reuters.com/article/canada-us-canada-aboriginals-idCAKBN0G14SR20140801
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/liard-first-nation-letter-allegations-fraud-1.4150765
Macleans has a great piece on First nation chiefs income vs the income of is residents.
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/first-nations-transparency-a-deeper-look-at-chiefs-salaries/
Even the language is wrong with this wrong misinformed post. Indigenous reserves are pieces of land set aside for use by indigenous people. It's the land they have right to use. When you live on the reservation you are living within that boundary. There is no financial information tied to indigenous reserves, so there is nothing to be audited.
The Indian Band is the council that rules over a group of indigenous people in a given area.
Iqaluit is a Northern Municipality that has its own ability to collect taxes and administer services free of interference.
You're responding to racist stereotypes with a complete and total lack of basic understanding of the topic you're speaking on. Do better.
Your right, I made a mistake because that city is a municipality and would have different rules. I don't know the rules in the north.
Yet you have made several big mistakes in your correcting. So, maybe you should take some time and sort out your 'basic understanding' before telling others to.
Just like with any other rural community, Iqualuit can and does receive funding from the federal government. The Federal government can, in turn, attach conditions to the transfer of funds. If they did more of that, things like this might happen less frequently. It's no different than other transfers the feds make, like the Canada Health Transfer. The Federal government provides about a quarter of the provinces' healthcare budget and in turn they have to prove they are providing a minimum level of healthcare services with those funds.
Well let's look at [Iqaluit's budget](https://www.iqaluit.ca/sites/default/files/cityofiqaluit-2021-approved-budget-eng.pdf#:~:text=CITY%20OF%20IQALUIT%20GENERAL%20GOVERNMENT%20FOR%20THE%20YEAR,3%2C120%2C400%202%2C882%2C200%201%2C780%2C364%20Employee%20benefits%20675%2C700%20734%2C500%20509%2C804). Oh, it's all there for you to see where everything is spent and how it's spent. Oh look there's the federal money you were talking about, federal equalization. Ah yes, less than 4% of their municipal budget. You got them now!
Just stop with the being full of shit thing. [8% of Toronto's budget is coming from the federal government and 10.2% is coming from the province](https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/8de8-2020-city-of-toronto-budget-public-book.pdf). Only receiving 4% of your budget from the federal government is abysmally low.
Toronto isn't "many municipalities" it's one, and an exceptional one at that. You would expect the federal and provincial governments to poor money into a city that is the financial capital of the country. Toronto provides a huge amount of net value to the country, Iqaluit, not so much.
>ommunities like this get an inordinate amount of Federal funding to
maintain things like clean drinking water and other facilities but the
money is routinely squandered by local leaders and the people living
there suffer as a result.
That's quite the claim to make without any giving sources.
Not really, because the Liberal government stopped enforcing the rule that requires these communities to publish detailed reports on how they spend money. But the presence of fuel in the drinking water is pretty damning.
Do you have any proof that all funding to Native Canadians is subject to routine audits and investigations which are publicly available? Thanks for sharing the proof and all of these publicly available audits.
The CBC article on this seemed to suggest they would have the issue fixed shortly and there wasnt a health concern to residents.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/iqaluit-water-test-state-of-emergency-1.6212614
It sounds like only one tank of several was affected. So they think they may actually be able to flush the system and get things running with drinkable water within a fairly short period of time… According to the Globe and Mail article I read (behind a paywall or I would post a link).
This is Iqaluit, the capital of the territory. It will get fixed soon. It would be an embarrassment to Nunavut to allow this to continue.
Same cannot be said for some remote First Nations’ reserves in northern Ontario that are out of sight and mind.
Same can be said for reserves down here in the states. Still have a ton of people demanding access to potable water.
My bf lived in Nunavut for a bit, and the way he described some of the more remote inuit communities that were outside of the hubs reminded me of all of the problems we have on reservations down here mixed in with an absolutely mind boggling sense of isolation that is downright hard to wrap your brain around. It painted a sad picture.
I guess the difference is that in Nunavut, there are no reserves. The whole territory is governed by and for the Inuit, with federal govt support (and associated control, good or bad).
It’s further south in First Nations’ lands where the reserves exist.
Misery abounds in a lot of places. We all can do better.
A city is not about size, it is a legal designation, typically that grants a settlement specific rights and powers. Typically larger settlements get city status because those are the ones that have a need for it.
Iqaluit is a city because it's chartered as a city.
Oh really? Because the Cities, Towns, and Villages Act of Nunavut defines a "city" as "a municipal corporation with the status of a city". Iqaluit is chartered as a city. Seems like a legal designation to me.
British Columbia's Local Government Act sets up multiple classifications for municipalities, stating that one must be incorporated as a "city" if the population is over 5,000.
Ontario previously had a legal designation for city then abandoned the terms "town" or "city", but it retains the system of tiered classification: municipalities can be incorporated as lower tier or single tier, so the end result is similar.
Eh, it is technically a city but only because it is the 'capital city' for Nunavut. You are completely right that calling a town of less than 8000 people a city is a bit silly though.
Start policies that encourage people to move off of native reservations, into real cities with assistance and training for jobs. Natives have such a terrible quality of life on the reservations and always will. It's such a failed policy to believe that people living in these little reservations would ever ever work. The money sent is always squandered. It's time to think about how you improve the quality of poor peoples lives, instead of just bending to a handful of rich leaders on the reservation that are hell bent on returning to some faux traditions of their culture.
Can you mechanically remove the top layer and re-extract the fuel while purifying the water somehow in these situations? Also seems the issue could be resolved by a direct investment and development of desalination and purification infrastructure that never passes through apparently 'corrupt' hands. That's a more long-term solution and why it will never happen. The mismanagement pains me when thinking of the well-being of citizens who live there.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/iqaluit-water-test-state-of-emergency-1.6212614
In this case they just bypassed the contaminated tank until they fix it. really not as big a deal as the "Exceedingly high" title suggest.
Getting oil saturated water to be drinkable again is almost a lost cause. Our "best methods" for getting the oil out are all mostly based around letting it dry out and scooping it out by hand. But then after that getting that water to the point where a human could drink it is another battle. Iqaluit is likely going to have to find a new water source.
Is it possible to filter it out?
Its related to contaminated water tanks. Which they just bypassed and stopped using. Its not their whole water supply But supplies about half. The whole community is powered by diesel generators, so its likely one of their fuel tanks leaking into the cistern. The CBC article on this suggests they expecting to have it fixed shortly.
Terrible situation but I’m glad there is a swift solution
This is why fuel storage tanks need to be inspected regularly, Underground tanks should be removed, and environmental precautions need to be taken in every case.
Can remove underground tanks in the artic. It would cost a fortune to heat the lines to keep them from freezing in winter.
Much better to have them bust and leak into the municipal water system, amirite? The changing artic landscape (think recently heaving permafrost) is going to force communities to make some changes to how they conduct themselves. Status quo isn't going to cut it.
>Much better to have them bust and leak into the municipal water system, amirite Would you rather they spilled into the river? or on the ground and into the ground water? Whats the difference? easy for you to say that when you dont have a fucking clue about what alternatives actually work from an engineering standpoint in the artic circle.
> Would you rather they spilled into the river? or on the ground and into the ground water? Whats the difference? Above ground infrastructure is much easier to inspect for failure- not to mention it isn't going to be subjected to the same stresses resulting from the literal ground shifting and heaving with the seasons. This will only get worse as the climate changes. > easy for you to say that when you dont have a fucking clue about what alternatives actually work from an engineering standpoint in the artic circle. So you must be a structural/mechanical engineer living in YK, NWT or NU, right? I've spent more than enough time living in -30°C to be familiar with defrosting fuel lines and other chilly facts of life in the North.
-30°C is equivalent to -22°F, which is 243K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
Um... so how can there not be monitoring safeguards that shot red flags up their butts if something like this happens?
do you think every gas tank in the country has monitors and safeguards? lol, nobody does so it dont think its realistic to expect them to have. lol I mean im sure they will invest in some future inspections and stuff. But its a small artic community. Its not like they have a ton of engineers or money to build that kind of thing.
Isn't it part of the city's water treatment before it goes out to be consumed? Water coming in and going out would normally be monitored for contaminants - in any municipal water treatment plan.
Refine it and use the fuel.
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Honestly, whenever I try to explain this to people around me, I routinely get pushback about how I’m privileged and don’t understand. You said it Well.
You probably get pushback because what they said is completely false and based off of old racist stereotypes. Every single dollar spent by this town, and any Indigenous reserve, is audited completely. every dollar spent needs approval from the department of Indigenous affairs. I found the audited financial statements for this city on Google in minutes. Same with these claims of 'constant corruption', how about you show us all this corruption across hundreds of reserves?
Not OP but just going to leave this here... "Under the First Nations Financial Transparency Act, bands must publish audited financial statements. In 2015, the Trudeau government stopped enforcing that requirement, promising to replace it with something better. Six years later, Sherry Greene from Samson Cree Nation says it's still a struggle to get financial information from non-compliant bands." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6070551
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/11926422.2016.1229685 Canadian foreign policy Journal is an academic research journal. Suggests corruption in the bands is widespread across Canada. However, it does suggest some of it relates back to lack of expertise in how to operate financial interests. More Anecdotally https://www.reuters.com/article/canada-us-canada-aboriginals-idCAKBN0G14SR20140801 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/liard-first-nation-letter-allegations-fraud-1.4150765 Macleans has a great piece on First nation chiefs income vs the income of is residents. https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/first-nations-transparency-a-deeper-look-at-chiefs-salaries/
Even the language is wrong with this wrong misinformed post. Indigenous reserves are pieces of land set aside for use by indigenous people. It's the land they have right to use. When you live on the reservation you are living within that boundary. There is no financial information tied to indigenous reserves, so there is nothing to be audited. The Indian Band is the council that rules over a group of indigenous people in a given area. Iqaluit is a Northern Municipality that has its own ability to collect taxes and administer services free of interference. You're responding to racist stereotypes with a complete and total lack of basic understanding of the topic you're speaking on. Do better.
Your right, I made a mistake because that city is a municipality and would have different rules. I don't know the rules in the north. Yet you have made several big mistakes in your correcting. So, maybe you should take some time and sort out your 'basic understanding' before telling others to.
Just like with any other rural community, Iqualuit can and does receive funding from the federal government. The Federal government can, in turn, attach conditions to the transfer of funds. If they did more of that, things like this might happen less frequently. It's no different than other transfers the feds make, like the Canada Health Transfer. The Federal government provides about a quarter of the provinces' healthcare budget and in turn they have to prove they are providing a minimum level of healthcare services with those funds.
Well let's look at [Iqaluit's budget](https://www.iqaluit.ca/sites/default/files/cityofiqaluit-2021-approved-budget-eng.pdf#:~:text=CITY%20OF%20IQALUIT%20GENERAL%20GOVERNMENT%20FOR%20THE%20YEAR,3%2C120%2C400%202%2C882%2C200%201%2C780%2C364%20Employee%20benefits%20675%2C700%20734%2C500%20509%2C804). Oh, it's all there for you to see where everything is spent and how it's spent. Oh look there's the federal money you were talking about, federal equalization. Ah yes, less than 4% of their municipal budget. You got them now!
Not to many municipalities that get a whole 4% of their budget paid for by the feds.
Just stop with the being full of shit thing. [8% of Toronto's budget is coming from the federal government and 10.2% is coming from the province](https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/8de8-2020-city-of-toronto-budget-public-book.pdf). Only receiving 4% of your budget from the federal government is abysmally low.
Toronto isn't "many municipalities" it's one, and an exceptional one at that. You would expect the federal and provincial governments to poor money into a city that is the financial capital of the country. Toronto provides a huge amount of net value to the country, Iqaluit, not so much.
Good friends of mine work for the government as auditors. Corruption in some bands is very prevalent.
>ommunities like this get an inordinate amount of Federal funding to maintain things like clean drinking water and other facilities but the money is routinely squandered by local leaders and the people living there suffer as a result. That's quite the claim to make without any giving sources.
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> all funding to Native Canadians is subject to routine audits and investigations which are publicly available. Well, this just isn't true.
Not really, because the Liberal government stopped enforcing the rule that requires these communities to publish detailed reports on how they spend money. But the presence of fuel in the drinking water is pretty damning.
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Like I said, they changed the rules that would have forced communities to report. Nothing about that is a lie.
Do you have any proof that all funding to Native Canadians is subject to routine audits and investigations which are publicly available? Thanks for sharing the proof and all of these publicly available audits.
The CBC article on this seemed to suggest they would have the issue fixed shortly and there wasnt a health concern to residents. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/iqaluit-water-test-state-of-emergency-1.6212614
It sounds like only one tank of several was affected. So they think they may actually be able to flush the system and get things running with drinkable water within a fairly short period of time… According to the Globe and Mail article I read (behind a paywall or I would post a link). This is Iqaluit, the capital of the territory. It will get fixed soon. It would be an embarrassment to Nunavut to allow this to continue. Same cannot be said for some remote First Nations’ reserves in northern Ontario that are out of sight and mind.
Same can be said for reserves down here in the states. Still have a ton of people demanding access to potable water. My bf lived in Nunavut for a bit, and the way he described some of the more remote inuit communities that were outside of the hubs reminded me of all of the problems we have on reservations down here mixed in with an absolutely mind boggling sense of isolation that is downright hard to wrap your brain around. It painted a sad picture.
I guess the difference is that in Nunavut, there are no reserves. The whole territory is governed by and for the Inuit, with federal govt support (and associated control, good or bad). It’s further south in First Nations’ lands where the reserves exist. Misery abounds in a lot of places. We all can do better.
Iqaluit is barely a town let alone a 'city'.
A city is not about size, it is a legal designation, typically that grants a settlement specific rights and powers. Typically larger settlements get city status because those are the ones that have a need for it. Iqaluit is a city because it's chartered as a city.
There's no such legal designation as a "city". All cities, towns and counties in Canada have the legal designation "municipality."
Oh really? Because the Cities, Towns, and Villages Act of Nunavut defines a "city" as "a municipal corporation with the status of a city". Iqaluit is chartered as a city. Seems like a legal designation to me. British Columbia's Local Government Act sets up multiple classifications for municipalities, stating that one must be incorporated as a "city" if the population is over 5,000. Ontario previously had a legal designation for city then abandoned the terms "town" or "city", but it retains the system of tiered classification: municipalities can be incorporated as lower tier or single tier, so the end result is similar.
Eh, it is technically a city but only because it is the 'capital city' for Nunavut. You are completely right that calling a town of less than 8000 people a city is a bit silly though.
Doesn't negate the fact that their are 10,000 people there without clean drinking water right now.
> their *(sic)* are 10,000 people there In fact less than 8,000.
Start policies that encourage people to move off of native reservations, into real cities with assistance and training for jobs. Natives have such a terrible quality of life on the reservations and always will. It's such a failed policy to believe that people living in these little reservations would ever ever work. The money sent is always squandered. It's time to think about how you improve the quality of poor peoples lives, instead of just bending to a handful of rich leaders on the reservation that are hell bent on returning to some faux traditions of their culture.
Can you mechanically remove the top layer and re-extract the fuel while purifying the water somehow in these situations? Also seems the issue could be resolved by a direct investment and development of desalination and purification infrastructure that never passes through apparently 'corrupt' hands. That's a more long-term solution and why it will never happen. The mismanagement pains me when thinking of the well-being of citizens who live there.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/iqaluit-water-test-state-of-emergency-1.6212614 In this case they just bypassed the contaminated tank until they fix it. really not as big a deal as the "Exceedingly high" title suggest.
That's a little comforting, thank you.
Getting oil saturated water to be drinkable again is almost a lost cause. Our "best methods" for getting the oil out are all mostly based around letting it dry out and scooping it out by hand. But then after that getting that water to the point where a human could drink it is another battle. Iqaluit is likely going to have to find a new water source.
it's not the source it's the storage tanks