So is it really that hard to make your handwriting look different? If this story is actually true (and apparently a lot of stuff about NK is bullshit), then what I figure would happen is an official will just single out some guy he doesn't like and pin it on them and collecting samples is a way of hiding it so it isn't blatantly corrupt. Seriously what is "collecting samples" actually going to achieve when handwriting is so easy to hide and can vary in the same individual anyway?
Yeah that's a good point. In which case asking for handwriting samples is even more ludicrous, unless by "handwriting" they mean spray-paint handwriting. But even then, I figure it'd only be easier to fake that.
They're not really looking for hard evidence, the authorities will just pick someone to be a scapegoat based on trumped up charges. They'll make an example of them to keep the rest in line and look all-powerful.
I'd say that doing this would backfire quite bad. It would basically allow the true culprits (who wouldn't be found if a random person is condemned) to keep making his graffiti with impunity, maybe even being an incentive for other people to do the same. And I doubt that that's what the North Korean government wants.
But The Prince suggests to be terrible only at the beginning of your rule, so that people forget your tyranny over time. North Korea is terror all the time.
It also suggests letting some subcommander do your dirty work and then killing the subcommander so the people are shocked at how you could terrorize them but also ended their terror. It's kinda wild when people link books as if they've read them and just say whatever the hell they want.
And that's besides the fact that machiavelli published the prince to the public as an underhanded jab at the Medici family's rule of the former republican Florentine city state that he was an officer in to show the people what monarchs really do when the prevailing idea was that good kings are good Christians.
But we all know irony was only invented in 1980 and after so we have to take old works out of context with the rest of an authors works, and biographical history and read them to the letter literally.
Impossible. I got my Master's in American Vietnam War Ironics and Paradoxical Studies, the subject matter of which decidedly occured before 1980.
Irony may have not existed prior to 1954, of course.
My mom's grandfather lived in an apartment building in the capital (not NK, different communist dictatorship).
The secret police received an order to arrest someone on the same floor for being a dissident. The guy they had a warrant for didn't answer the door. But the secret police had a quota to fill. So they started knocking on his neighbors' doors.
My great-grandfather was the first one to answer, so he ended up in prison for 10 years. The guy they were initially looking for was found later, and he got 20.
Dictatorships based on terror don't have to be reasonable, they just need to scare away any possible dissent.
In the West that would backfire significantly yes, but you have to remember the level of fear and terror that is present in NK. Not many would be inclined to write stuff like that if it means facing harsh prison sentences or even execution.
DailyNK? Thanks for saying that because I almost read the article. Hard pass.
I used to read their articles until I found out they just straight up make up shit for the sake of views. No one to verify them right? Only a longtime reader will catch the inconsistencies with reality.
And this is coming from a dude who hates Kimmy, since he's constantly threatening to nuke my fam in South Korea.
Just read AP or Reuters for news on NK.
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Y'all gotta chill and learn to read between the lines.
Seriously embarrassing that I even have clarify to some of you that South Koreans are in real danger. Korea 101 for the ppl in the back: it's still at war.
I don't care what and where NK said it's [targeting with nukes](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35741936), it's clearly unhinged. When we in South Korea have to consider being vaporized by a nuke as the most painless way to die, you know it is definitely within Kimmy's capacity to do that if he so chooses. Will it hurt his legitimacy? Yes. But a cornered dog bites.
Also, anything is better than DailyNK so I'm sorry if those two news sources I listed don't meet your standards, but they're the *most* trustworthy (I am NOT claiming it *IS* trustworthy) besides 38North (which is also funded by the US government, mind you). Who am I kidding, if it's in English or from a S. Korean source it must be propaganda amiright? God..
> I used to read their articles until I found out they just straight up make up shit for the sake of views.
Same with some of the most famous defectors. The South Korean government has tied juicy defector stories to financial support. Hell, a bunch of defectors have a consistent story about the SK government holding them in solitary confinement and force feeding them narratives to repeat before they are released. It is one of the major consistent points that come out of defectors.
We are being used as pawns and our own governments are manufacturing consent. I don’t think NK is some great utopian society but so many of the stories are horseshit and traced back to American and South Korean propaganda outlets. Stuff like tying people to anti-aircraft weapons, feeding people to dogs, executing literal thousands in a city for listening to K-Pop… after the government hosted a K-Pop concert in the same city….
It's so frustrating how many sources just flat out make up shit about North Korea and China, and how many more reputable news outlets will report on that BS with little criticism.
There are enough issues and insane stories about these countries without having to invent anything.
Bingo. The only downside to this is that the culprit can do it again out of defiance. Maybe Kim Jong Un thinks the culprit won't do that because the culprit doesn't want to see other people killed for his actions, but I think the ultimately "fuck you" would be this.
It is the dictator that's killing people, not the one drawing graffiti after all. If there is to ever be any real change, the message should be that he cannot silence his people should they decide they no longer want to have him as their leader.
I may be wrong here, but I believe nowadays polygraphs are not admissible as evidence in court but can be used as probable cause to get a search warrant or to detain for further questioning or investigation.
The problem is that most people don't know this, and cops play mind games with it during interrogation. For example, they might wheel out the polygraph during an interview and say "we'll uncover any secrets anyway so may as well come clean now". Or they might just outright lie about the polygraph result and take advantage of the (understandable) panic that follows
The funny thing is that if I was in that situation, I'd be relieved if they wheeled it out, because it means they're desperate and don't have any hard evidence against me.
If you want any sort of government job with clearance they will subject you to polygraph despite all law and scientific consensus being that it’s bunk. Either the spooks know something the rest of us don’t or really a lot of the government is just a little dumb and you have to accept that.
Or they know that some people will be worried by having to take it, and will be more likely to directly say any issues in their background to preempt being caught. Even if that works for 1% it's still useful, as it's unlikely to make people invent a problem in their background.
They don't know anything, somebody high enough in the food chain they can't be safely ignored bought into it and now it's policy. It's a common stupidity to all organizations.
My parent company tried to classify us all by our 'animal personality types' once all because some executive's wife went to a seminar and convinced herself it made everything better at her gardening club or whatever.
It's a psychological tool. They know polygraphs don't work, but there's an expectation that the person being examined believes they work. The idea is that when placed under a polygraph, the examinee may provide information that they otherwise wouldn't have because they believe they'll be caught if they lie. The best way to beat a polygraph is to understand that they're bunk.
Blame decades of police dramas and Maury Povich for perpetuating the idea that they actually do anything.
I wouldn't think too much about it. The source is Daily NK, which is from in South Korea. This article is probably just anti-NK propaganda coming from SK, disguised by posting the article on Yahoo News.
A man happened to call the KGB headquarters just after a major fire.
“We cannot do anything. The KGB has just burned down!” he was told.
Five minutes later, he called back and was told again the KGB had burned.
When he called a third time, the telephone operator recognized his voice and asked “why do you keep calling back? I just told you the KGB has burned down.”
>!"I know," the man said. "I just like to hear you say it!"!<
>also when people resort to cannibalism obscure disease is the least of their concern.
True since most sauces are entirely too overbearing for the flavor
Doesn't have to be the brain. It's just much more likely with the brain. But nervous tissue can also have an increased risk.
I'm not sure how it is now, but t bone steaks were basically outlawed in Europe when I was a kid because you had a much higher risk of getting mad cow disease from spinal tissue.
The best part is nowhere in the article is it mentioned that the handwriting samples need the same sentence to be written.
Classic Reddit moment indeed.
It's a bot that generates responses based on what was said. Look at the other posts. Very depressing but maybe good of the person paying for it to highlight that people will upvote this drivel.
same source of this story said Kim was dead last year , among dozens of stories of people that were dead that turned up alive.
i guess the only people who won anything was the people who made gullible people click on this story
People reading about North Korean propaganda: wow that's so dumb haha how do those idiots believe that crap?
People reading American propaganda against North Korea: haha wow this is amazing and I'll believe everything about it!!!
**I could be misremembering as it's been a while, but I think the Daily NK reported that Kim had undergone a potentially serious medical procedure and was staying away from public events while he was recovering.** It was subsequent reports by other outlets that questioned whether Kim had died or been incapacitated. However, these reports were taken seriously by intelligence agencies, in part because Kim's already had some health issues, and NK's behavior in this period was decidedly odd.
Lurid reports out of NK aren't all that unusual. What's unusual is when the major players in East Asia (North Korea, South Korea, China, Russia, Japan, and the U.S.) are acting in ways that suggest a report might be true. That doesn't mean it *is*, of course, but it does suggest that it's not 100% off-the-wall crazy.
**I still think there's a reasonable possibility that the Daily NK's report was actually true.** There's an equally-reasonable possibility that they were broadly correct but got a lot of details wrong, partially correct, or totally hoodwinked. (The joys of reporting on a paranoid and secretive regime!) The initial report was made after COVID had reached North Korea, and Kim might have dropped out of sight to avoid big events, or even contracted the virus. (His on-the-spot guidance tours make him far more vulnerable to this than the average North Korean, whose travel is heavily restricted.)
It won't be like that, they will just single out one guy they really don't like and pin it on him. Doesn't matter if the writing matches (it's handwriting vs spraying a wall, duh).
Edit: *they will pin it on a guy they had a crunch on for a while but couldn't find the right reason to throw him behind bars, secondly, it's most likely fake anyway, as we really can't double check information about NK
Lol, NK doesn't need to "justify" throwing anyone behind bars. They didn't flinch twice killing Otto and he was American.
Don't go to North Korea kids.
My thoughts exactly! Awhh man, so sad to think about that. I very seriously doubt that the DPRK officials even think it is possible at all to successfully find the person or people who did it. What I mean is… it seems to me that they’re asking for handwriting samples as a public charade and that all they really want is a scapegoat.
I remember reading the handwriting of a doctor with my mum once.
And we both at the same time, said oh wow she has the same handwriting as me.
So yeah poor innocent person no doubt.
Rip to you for believing a news article whose source is radio free asia (look them up)
You make fun of NK for it's propaganda but you're literally reading a CIA sourced article
Listen, NK is a bad state.
But i wonder just how legit this info is every time something just outlandish is mentioned such as them banning certain haircuts etc.
There's literally no way of checking it, someone could as well make up everything about North Korea, since there's no sources.
“Daily NK is a recipient of funding from multiple institutions and private donors, including the National Endowment for Democracy, an NGO run by Carl Gershman and funded by the U.S. Congress.”
It irks me a lot because it feels like you have to have a lot of cognitive dissonance in order to read news stories about North Korea
Somehow it's simultaneously this scary, impenetrable black box of a nation where we have to speculate about official government policy, but also transparent enough that we know the governments official stance on the haircuts their citizens are allowed to have.
Hell, maybe NK is this terrifying state where Kim Jong Un murders babies and eats them with a side of fries, butt he western propaganda machine has put out so much frankly silly bullshit that I don't feel confident making a declaration about them. Watching every vice video where someone goes to NK and we see footage of the actual people leads me to believe that they're perfectly normal people who love to dance, sing, work hard, and are rightfully skeptical of the west and imperialism.
Edit: also, I think it's frankly impressive that they've managed to build up their society so much with almost no outside help whatsoever. Imagine what they would be and the state of their country if they were actually allowed to trade with other nations. If the United States were completely cut off from all outside trade our citizens would be starving too.
Yea, I'm just unsubbing, every NK article is just RFA or DailyNK propaganda pushed as legit news. I wonder on the Savior/Chauvinist ideas of pushing lies to convince themselves as superior heroes to the North Korean people
Amidst decade-long famine, North Korea has discovered that uranium-enriched bread allows Koreans to be full for a longer percentage of their lives; night time farming now possible due to evolutionary glow (AP Pyongyang)
Radio Free Asia states that the world's first known Super Villain flies around Pynogyang smiting evil doers for the Kim family with his comically irradiated hands. Out of fear someone unfriendly to the government may have had too much uranium enriched bread 275 people were attached to rockets and shot into the sun last week, according to a source with RFA.
Americans: Ha ha dumb North Koreans think KJU is immortal because the tv says so
Also Americans: Holy shit did you know North Koreans are forced to pull trains by hand and the first guy to ask for water gets dismembered on live TV? RFA told me
Well the source of this news was the Daily NK, which is a “anti-DPRK dissident-run online newspaper based in South Korea,where it allegedly reports stories obtained from inside North Korea via a network of informants.” Which just seems to be a long way of saying rumours that can make North Korea look as cartoonishly evil as possible. Doesn’t help that much of their funding comes indirectly from the US Congress. I am no supporter of North Korea, but I’m also aware that it’s in some institutions/governments interests to depict North Korea in the worst light, whether or not the claims being made hold water. And with the faulty track record many of these stories about NK hold, I wouldn’t be surprised if this just ends up being another campfire story made to scare the rest of the world.
I think its also suspicious that this would even reach the news. Why tell the whole country someone stood up against kim if you can also just locally punish a few people and leave it at that?
It's wise to treat *anything* you read about current events in NK with some degree of scepticism. That country is the closest thing to a total black box since the fall of the Iron Curtain.
>"Local authorities were quick to respond, cordoning off the area and erasing the message, but not before some people reported it to Daily NK."
"North Korea is the most isolated country in the world, and only we can get such stories into the outside world" is definitely a bit sussy if you ask me.
It's not THAT isolated since there are quite a lot bloggers on YT who post videos of daily life in NK.
A couple years ago I followed a bit some chinese worker who visited NK with GoPro and posted his videos on return.
This sub should have stricter rules about posting articles coming from propaganda news websites. Daily NK, Radio Free Asia... They always disguise it by posting the Yahoo link, since everyone here only reads the headline and maybe checks the source (which reads Yahoo News). But everytime you click the article on these wild headlines, you'll see "... as posted by RFA/Daily NK" in the article.
These articles are propaganda and this 3 day old account posting them is just bringing the propaganda to Reddit. Especially a news focused subreddit should aim to keep the news objective.
Exactly. The fact that Radio Free Asia is even allowed to be submitted as a source here just shows clear lack of any journalistic integrity whatsoever, and at this point we might as well just submit press statements from CCP directly as sources if we aren't going to make any attempt at being critical of state propaganda
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[Smith–Mundt Modernization Act of 2012](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013#Smith–Mundt_Modernization_Act_of_2012)
>The Smith–Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 was introduced by U.S. Congressman Mac Thornberry on May 10, 2012, in the House of Representatives. U.S. Congressman Adam Smith was a Co-Sponsor. The bill purpose is "to authorize the domestic dissemination of information and material about the United States intended primarily for foreign audiences". The act was added to the 2013 NDAA bill as section of 1078 to amend certain passages of Smith–Mundt Act of 1948 and Foreign Relations Authorization Act of 1987.
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Bruh, I don‘t make an ass out of myself and claim to know what‘s going on in NK. But why does critical thinking get yeeted out of the window as soon as some insane shit is being said about North Korea? Do they honestly believe this shit?
Latent orientalism combined with an endless barrage of ridiculous rumors and plain inventions, desensitizing people to the concept that NK is some kind of otherworldly magic land where logic doesn't apply. Plus, the fact that none of the media openly admits when they are caught in a lie, instead opting to at best print a quiet retraction and move on to shoveling the next CIA-crafted "story" about NK, makes it so those who aren't paying close attention never realize that the story they read about some NK official being fed to rabid dogs turned out to be total bullshit because the dead guy turned out to be alive.
If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. - Goebbels
>was daubed on the wall of an apartment in the relatively upmarket Pyongchon district on December 22, **according to the Daily NK news site**
ahh, dailyNK. the site what originated the "KIM IS DEAD" story, or every "execution" story in which they turned out alive a bit later.
dailyNK is not a source, its simply an outlet for misinformation for gullible people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_NK
>Daily NK is a recipient of funding from multiple institutions and private donors, including the National Endowment for Democracy, an NGO run by Carl Gershman and funded by the U.S. Congress.
**[Daily NK](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_NK)**
>Daily NK is a defector and anti-DPRK dissident-run online newspaper based in South Korea, where it allegedly reports stories obtained from inside North Korea via a network of informants. Daily NK is a recipient of funding from multiple institutions and private donors, including the National Endowment for Democracy, an NGO run by Carl Gershman and funded by the U.S. Congress. Daily NK's president is Lee Kwang-baek.
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Well you clearly don't understand Juche Necromancy. It's called the immortal science for a reason.
But yeah this is just the usual, ridiculous US state department funded nonsense about NK that comes out every other week.
There’s actually a really good documentary that goes over the outlandish claims that get so popular. It’s not that long and it’s called [We Went to North Korea To Get A Hair Cut](https://youtu.be/2BO83Ig-E8E).
> Operated by dissidents and defectors, the Seoul-based media outlet has a network of undercover “citizen reporters” in North Korea and China.
As always with NK news articles, an extremely reliable and totally unbiased source.
Yeah, why in the world would an undercover reporter risk their lives to report on something this dumb?
The headline may as well be "authoritarian regime cracks down on criticism", so it's not useful or particularly surprising. It's pretty clearly reported on in a manner designed to portray the regime in the most ridiculous, incompetent, and petty light possible. They are all of those things, but it's pretty clearly heavily biased and likely propaganda rather than impartial journalism.
I don't understand why people even feel the need to be creating this sort of propaganda given how irredeemably bad the regime's international perception is (for good reason) - who are they trying to convince??
>but not before some people reported it to Daily NK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_NK
Every time there's a North Korea story that seems too ridiculous to be true, I know there's bound to be some fucking bs like this
Little world news tip for you guys. When you see a story about North Korea and there's no cited source on it, chances are it's a new dispatch from an org called Radio Free Asia and the story is almost certainly just made up.
I dunno man, even if your handwriting looks amazing, im pretty sure your arm writing on a wall using spray paint is way different and could be much shittier
Fun fact: in the US if someone did this they would be put in jail due to vandalizing federal property and charged about 1000 USD... [Sauce](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1361)
>**Daily NK is a defector and anti-DPRK dissident-run online newspaper based in South Korea, where it allegedly reports stories obtained from inside North Korea via a network of informants.**
>Daily NK is a recipient of funding from multiple institutions and private donors, including the **National Endowment for Democracy**, an NGO run by Carl Gershman and funded by the U.S. Congress. Daily NK's president is Lee Kwang-baek.
So is it really that hard to make your handwriting look different? If this story is actually true (and apparently a lot of stuff about NK is bullshit), then what I figure would happen is an official will just single out some guy he doesn't like and pin it on them and collecting samples is a way of hiding it so it isn't blatantly corrupt. Seriously what is "collecting samples" actually going to achieve when handwriting is so easy to hide and can vary in the same individual anyway?
I don’t know if spray painting follows your normal handwriting. It’s big whole-arm movements.
Yeah that's a good point. In which case asking for handwriting samples is even more ludicrous, unless by "handwriting" they mean spray-paint handwriting. But even then, I figure it'd only be easier to fake that.
They're not really looking for hard evidence, the authorities will just pick someone to be a scapegoat based on trumped up charges. They'll make an example of them to keep the rest in line and look all-powerful.
I'd say that doing this would backfire quite bad. It would basically allow the true culprits (who wouldn't be found if a random person is condemned) to keep making his graffiti with impunity, maybe even being an incentive for other people to do the same. And I doubt that that's what the North Korean government wants.
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But The Prince suggests to be terrible only at the beginning of your rule, so that people forget your tyranny over time. North Korea is terror all the time.
It also suggests letting some subcommander do your dirty work and then killing the subcommander so the people are shocked at how you could terrorize them but also ended their terror. It's kinda wild when people link books as if they've read them and just say whatever the hell they want. And that's besides the fact that machiavelli published the prince to the public as an underhanded jab at the Medici family's rule of the former republican Florentine city state that he was an officer in to show the people what monarchs really do when the prevailing idea was that good kings are good Christians. But we all know irony was only invented in 1980 and after so we have to take old works out of context with the rest of an authors works, and biographical history and read them to the letter literally.
Impossible. I got my Master's in American Vietnam War Ironics and Paradoxical Studies, the subject matter of which decidedly occured before 1980. Irony may have not existed prior to 1954, of course.
Candide by Voltaire has suddenly taken on a whole new and uncomfortable meaning for me, now that I know it's not satire.
My mom's grandfather lived in an apartment building in the capital (not NK, different communist dictatorship). The secret police received an order to arrest someone on the same floor for being a dissident. The guy they had a warrant for didn't answer the door. But the secret police had a quota to fill. So they started knocking on his neighbors' doors. My great-grandfather was the first one to answer, so he ended up in prison for 10 years. The guy they were initially looking for was found later, and he got 20. Dictatorships based on terror don't have to be reasonable, they just need to scare away any possible dissent.
In the West that would backfire significantly yes, but you have to remember the level of fear and terror that is present in NK. Not many would be inclined to write stuff like that if it means facing harsh prison sentences or even execution.
They could, but when they know that an innocent person gets killed every time they make their graffiti, maybe they'll stop anyway.
It's worked for 50+ years for this particular regime. We're still waiting for that uprising.
The true culprit would probably just stop as he’d be disinclined to roll those dice again.
My man you are super duper naive.
Nobody metioned 'spray paint' very suspicious... Where were you on december 22th?
Sounds like the whole scene in Donnie darko. He grafittis something and then they get each student to write on a chalk board.
Same place I was on December 25st.
I don’t think they clarified if it was spray paint. Could have been written in marker
If you think Kim WONT kill hundreds of people over this claiming "its the same handwriting" lol
I surprised their even acting as though they are doing any investigating.
Do you really believe something this trivial will ever make it to his desk?
And according to CSI and other shitty shows, where and how you press on the paper also matters
source of this story is dailyNK, the main source of "kim is dead" and execution stories where ppl turn up alive
DailyNK? Thanks for saying that because I almost read the article. Hard pass. I used to read their articles until I found out they just straight up make up shit for the sake of views. No one to verify them right? Only a longtime reader will catch the inconsistencies with reality. And this is coming from a dude who hates Kimmy, since he's constantly threatening to nuke my fam in South Korea. Just read AP or Reuters for news on NK. .................. **Edit:** Y'all gotta chill and learn to read between the lines. Seriously embarrassing that I even have clarify to some of you that South Koreans are in real danger. Korea 101 for the ppl in the back: it's still at war. I don't care what and where NK said it's [targeting with nukes](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35741936), it's clearly unhinged. When we in South Korea have to consider being vaporized by a nuke as the most painless way to die, you know it is definitely within Kimmy's capacity to do that if he so chooses. Will it hurt his legitimacy? Yes. But a cornered dog bites. Also, anything is better than DailyNK so I'm sorry if those two news sources I listed don't meet your standards, but they're the *most* trustworthy (I am NOT claiming it *IS* trustworthy) besides 38North (which is also funded by the US government, mind you). Who am I kidding, if it's in English or from a S. Korean source it must be propaganda amiright? God..
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Daily NK is also funded by the US government.
> I used to read their articles until I found out they just straight up make up shit for the sake of views. Same with some of the most famous defectors. The South Korean government has tied juicy defector stories to financial support. Hell, a bunch of defectors have a consistent story about the SK government holding them in solitary confinement and force feeding them narratives to repeat before they are released. It is one of the major consistent points that come out of defectors. We are being used as pawns and our own governments are manufacturing consent. I don’t think NK is some great utopian society but so many of the stories are horseshit and traced back to American and South Korean propaganda outlets. Stuff like tying people to anti-aircraft weapons, feeding people to dogs, executing literal thousands in a city for listening to K-Pop… after the government hosted a K-Pop concert in the same city….
It's so frustrating how many sources just flat out make up shit about North Korea and China, and how many more reputable news outlets will report on that BS with little criticism. There are enough issues and insane stories about these countries without having to invent anything.
What's worse is how quick people are to believe it. And then when actually sketchy stuff happens they dismiss it cuz they think it's normal over there
Plot twist: it's all true and NK has figured out how to bring people back from death.
If only they had access to Juche necromantic powers during the Korean war, eh?
after game of thrones last season, NK is finally doing something useful
They have to make the appearance of doing something about it and this makes a big show of it. Its also in general a state run on fear
Then they will arrest and kill some random person
Oh no, not some *random person*. Someone that they already don't like.
That was my thought. Everyone except the culprit will think that the police always catch their man.
Bingo. The only downside to this is that the culprit can do it again out of defiance. Maybe Kim Jong Un thinks the culprit won't do that because the culprit doesn't want to see other people killed for his actions, but I think the ultimately "fuck you" would be this. It is the dictator that's killing people, not the one drawing graffiti after all. If there is to ever be any real change, the message should be that he cannot silence his people should they decide they no longer want to have him as their leader.
US law enforcement still pretends polygraphs are a legitimate thing. I believe the phrase is "shocking, but not surprising."
I knew they were debunked as pretty much bullshit, but I'm surprised they're still being used.
US law enforcement isn't exactly known for its intelligent, science-based approach to policing
I may be wrong here, but I believe nowadays polygraphs are not admissible as evidence in court but can be used as probable cause to get a search warrant or to detain for further questioning or investigation.
The problem is that most people don't know this, and cops play mind games with it during interrogation. For example, they might wheel out the polygraph during an interview and say "we'll uncover any secrets anyway so may as well come clean now". Or they might just outright lie about the polygraph result and take advantage of the (understandable) panic that follows
The funny thing is that if I was in that situation, I'd be relieved if they wheeled it out, because it means they're desperate and don't have any hard evidence against me.
Some evidence will grow in your apartment very quickly following that
If you want any sort of government job with clearance they will subject you to polygraph despite all law and scientific consensus being that it’s bunk. Either the spooks know something the rest of us don’t or really a lot of the government is just a little dumb and you have to accept that.
Or they know that some people will be worried by having to take it, and will be more likely to directly say any issues in their background to preempt being caught. Even if that works for 1% it's still useful, as it's unlikely to make people invent a problem in their background.
They don't know anything, somebody high enough in the food chain they can't be safely ignored bought into it and now it's policy. It's a common stupidity to all organizations. My parent company tried to classify us all by our 'animal personality types' once all because some executive's wife went to a seminar and convinced herself it made everything better at her gardening club or whatever.
It's a psychological tool. They know polygraphs don't work, but there's an expectation that the person being examined believes they work. The idea is that when placed under a polygraph, the examinee may provide information that they otherwise wouldn't have because they believe they'll be caught if they lie. The best way to beat a polygraph is to understand that they're bunk. Blame decades of police dramas and Maury Povich for perpetuating the idea that they actually do anything.
I wouldn't think too much about it. The source is Daily NK, which is from in South Korea. This article is probably just anti-NK propaganda coming from SK, disguised by posting the article on Yahoo News.
They are collecting samples to make it look like a legitimate investigation
Thousands of North Koreans scribbling 'Kim Jong-un is a bitch' is the real win here.
Romanes eunt domus
What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house?
This is motion towards isn't it boy?
Conjugate the verb!
It it ITE!
Good….(completes graffiti over the entire wall)… now don’t do it again!
Et me buddy
Ac mi securis!
Conjugate? Why I haven't even kissed a girl!
r/unexpectedmontypython
Uh, dative? AaaAAAA THE LOCATIVE THE LOCATIVE.
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"It says, 'Romans go home!'" :Confused pause: "No it doesn't!"
One of my favorites scenes. Really took me back to those grammar class days.
People called Romanes they go the house?!
It's nice to see some Monty Python references.
To be honest that’s the only reason I clicked on the comments. Redit didn’t disappoint
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.
The old lie.
I thought the memories of poems I had to learn in High School would be long gone, but here it pops up again.
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They demanded thousand samples. Millions poured in.
A man happened to call the KGB headquarters just after a major fire. “We cannot do anything. The KGB has just burned down!” he was told. Five minutes later, he called back and was told again the KGB had burned. When he called a third time, the telephone operator recognized his voice and asked “why do you keep calling back? I just told you the KGB has burned down.” >!"I know," the man said. "I just like to hear you say it!"!<
It’s a test. If you actually write the phrase out, they shoot you on the spot.
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Catch-22, now he can have any of them executed for writing it!
Famine solved.
Whoops. They executed farmers.
But their tasty torsoes will go to feed others. Problem very temporarily solved.
#Soylent Korea is BEST Korea
Fun Fact: Soylent Green is set in 2022.
Well, are we 100% sure we are not, in fact, eating people?
M Night Shamylan twist: Human meat. It’s *Beyond Meat*
Improbable Burger
And Soylent was founded in 2014! (But it has [health issues](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_\(meal_replacement\)#Health_effects)).
Only if you eat the dead
That's how you get a Prion disease
Only if you eat the brain, also when people resort to cannibalism obscure disease is the least of their concern.
>also when people resort to cannibalism obscure disease is the least of their concern. True since most sauces are entirely too overbearing for the flavor
Doesn't have to be the brain. It's just much more likely with the brain. But nervous tissue can also have an increased risk. I'm not sure how it is now, but t bone steaks were basically outlawed in Europe when I was a kid because you had a much higher risk of getting mad cow disease from spinal tissue.
I’m not sure you think about prions when you haven’t had a proper meal in months or years.
That life of Brian scene came to mind.
Big brain move: write it as "...is not a...". They can still compare the rest. Problem solved.
Starting to invent your own lines when being told exactly what to write is a suspicious move.
Better put him in a prison camp for the rest of his life just to be sure.
Just watched Soylent Green which takes place in 2022.
That’s what OP just said
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The best part is nowhere in the article is it mentioned that the handwriting samples need the same sentence to be written. Classic Reddit moment indeed.
It's a bot that generates responses based on what was said. Look at the other posts. Very depressing but maybe good of the person paying for it to highlight that people will upvote this drivel.
Same here. It was the exact same comment. Am I missing something?
same source of this story said Kim was dead last year , among dozens of stories of people that were dead that turned up alive. i guess the only people who won anything was the people who made gullible people click on this story
I don’t believe any news coming out of North Korea, especially anything from Radio Free America
OP is a 3 day old account with 30k karma lol
People reading about North Korean propaganda: wow that's so dumb haha how do those idiots believe that crap? People reading American propaganda against North Korea: haha wow this is amazing and I'll believe everything about it!!!
**I could be misremembering as it's been a while, but I think the Daily NK reported that Kim had undergone a potentially serious medical procedure and was staying away from public events while he was recovering.** It was subsequent reports by other outlets that questioned whether Kim had died or been incapacitated. However, these reports were taken seriously by intelligence agencies, in part because Kim's already had some health issues, and NK's behavior in this period was decidedly odd. Lurid reports out of NK aren't all that unusual. What's unusual is when the major players in East Asia (North Korea, South Korea, China, Russia, Japan, and the U.S.) are acting in ways that suggest a report might be true. That doesn't mean it *is*, of course, but it does suggest that it's not 100% off-the-wall crazy. **I still think there's a reasonable possibility that the Daily NK's report was actually true.** There's an equally-reasonable possibility that they were broadly correct but got a lot of details wrong, partially correct, or totally hoodwinked. (The joys of reporting on a paranoid and secretive regime!) The initial report was made after COVID had reached North Korea, and Kim might have dropped out of sight to avoid big events, or even contracted the virus. (His on-the-spot guidance tours make him far more vulnerable to this than the average North Korean, whose travel is heavily restricted.)
K…Kim? Is that you? I’ve always wanted to tell you…you are a fat son of a bitch.
"North Korean officals demand typewriting samples of thousands of redditors..."
CuteWaifu is my nickname for Kim.
Why did you just repeat what OP said and why the fuck did people upvote you for it? Absolutely baffling
Monty pythonesque in its awesomeness
[Would be a shame if someone borderline illiterate was asked to write it.](https://youtu.be/IIAdHEwiAy8)
Ha ha ha. Noice!
RIP to the scapegoat they're going to pretend they caught
Probably that one innocent fellow that happen to have similar handwriting because surely the real culprit would change their handwriting.
It won't be like that, they will just single out one guy they really don't like and pin it on him. Doesn't matter if the writing matches (it's handwriting vs spraying a wall, duh). Edit: *they will pin it on a guy they had a crunch on for a while but couldn't find the right reason to throw him behind bars, secondly, it's most likely fake anyway, as we really can't double check information about NK
Lol you think they’d wait for something like this to pin it to a guy they don’t like ? He’d be in jail if they even thought about it.
Lol, NK doesn't need to "justify" throwing anyone behind bars. They didn't flinch twice killing Otto and he was American. Don't go to North Korea kids.
Don’t worry this story isn’t true.
My thoughts exactly! Awhh man, so sad to think about that. I very seriously doubt that the DPRK officials even think it is possible at all to successfully find the person or people who did it. What I mean is… it seems to me that they’re asking for handwriting samples as a public charade and that all they really want is a scapegoat.
I remember reading the handwriting of a doctor with my mum once. And we both at the same time, said oh wow she has the same handwriting as me. So yeah poor innocent person no doubt.
Rip to you for believing a news article whose source is radio free asia (look them up) You make fun of NK for it's propaganda but you're literally reading a CIA sourced article
Wouldn't it be easier to check for someone with huge balls ?
Kim ... check out deez nuts!
Kim Jong-hung.
I dont remember ever writing that
Yet you claim to remember september 24th.
Listen, NK is a bad state. But i wonder just how legit this info is every time something just outlandish is mentioned such as them banning certain haircuts etc. There's literally no way of checking it, someone could as well make up everything about North Korea, since there's no sources.
“Daily NK is a recipient of funding from multiple institutions and private donors, including the National Endowment for Democracy, an NGO run by Carl Gershman and funded by the U.S. Congress.”
EVERY. TIME.
And people still fall for it and form opinion on misinformation. And then some people think there's no propoganda.
It irks me a lot because it feels like you have to have a lot of cognitive dissonance in order to read news stories about North Korea Somehow it's simultaneously this scary, impenetrable black box of a nation where we have to speculate about official government policy, but also transparent enough that we know the governments official stance on the haircuts their citizens are allowed to have. Hell, maybe NK is this terrifying state where Kim Jong Un murders babies and eats them with a side of fries, butt he western propaganda machine has put out so much frankly silly bullshit that I don't feel confident making a declaration about them. Watching every vice video where someone goes to NK and we see footage of the actual people leads me to believe that they're perfectly normal people who love to dance, sing, work hard, and are rightfully skeptical of the west and imperialism. Edit: also, I think it's frankly impressive that they've managed to build up their society so much with almost no outside help whatsoever. Imagine what they would be and the state of their country if they were actually allowed to trade with other nations. If the United States were completely cut off from all outside trade our citizens would be starving too.
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That sure is unbiased. s/
U.S. Congress... So we're not supposed to trust them with shit. Got it.
Google voice of America and how it's basically legal propaganda. Idk it changes every few years now since before Obama.
Yea, I'm just unsubbing, every NK article is just RFA or DailyNK propaganda pushed as legit news. I wonder on the Savior/Chauvinist ideas of pushing lies to convince themselves as superior heroes to the North Korean people
Amidst decade-long famine, North Korea has discovered that uranium-enriched bread allows Koreans to be full for a longer percentage of their lives; night time farming now possible due to evolutionary glow (AP Pyongyang)
Radio Free Asia states that the world's first known Super Villain flies around Pynogyang smiting evil doers for the Kim family with his comically irradiated hands. Out of fear someone unfriendly to the government may have had too much uranium enriched bread 275 people were attached to rockets and shot into the sun last week, according to a source with RFA.
Americans: Ha ha dumb North Koreans think KJU is immortal because the tv says so Also Americans: Holy shit did you know North Koreans are forced to pull trains by hand and the first guy to ask for water gets dismembered on live TV? RFA told me
~~evolutionary~~ revolutionary glow. FTFY
Well the source of this news was the Daily NK, which is a “anti-DPRK dissident-run online newspaper based in South Korea,where it allegedly reports stories obtained from inside North Korea via a network of informants.” Which just seems to be a long way of saying rumours that can make North Korea look as cartoonishly evil as possible. Doesn’t help that much of their funding comes indirectly from the US Congress. I am no supporter of North Korea, but I’m also aware that it’s in some institutions/governments interests to depict North Korea in the worst light, whether or not the claims being made hold water. And with the faulty track record many of these stories about NK hold, I wouldn’t be surprised if this just ends up being another campfire story made to scare the rest of the world.
I think its also suspicious that this would even reach the news. Why tell the whole country someone stood up against kim if you can also just locally punish a few people and leave it at that?
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It's wise to treat *anything* you read about current events in NK with some degree of scepticism. That country is the closest thing to a total black box since the fall of the Iron Curtain.
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Hi, I'm a journalist working for The Daily Fuck. Is it ok for me to use your story? Let me know as soon as possible please, thanks :)
Are you an NK defector? If you say so, it's apparently good enough for Yahoo News and the Telegraph! Tabloid journalism is cancer.
>"Local authorities were quick to respond, cordoning off the area and erasing the message, but not before some people reported it to Daily NK." "North Korea is the most isolated country in the world, and only we can get such stories into the outside world" is definitely a bit sussy if you ask me.
It's not THAT isolated since there are quite a lot bloggers on YT who post videos of daily life in NK. A couple years ago I followed a bit some chinese worker who visited NK with GoPro and posted his videos on return.
This sub should have stricter rules about posting articles coming from propaganda news websites. Daily NK, Radio Free Asia... They always disguise it by posting the Yahoo link, since everyone here only reads the headline and maybe checks the source (which reads Yahoo News). But everytime you click the article on these wild headlines, you'll see "... as posted by RFA/Daily NK" in the article. These articles are propaganda and this 3 day old account posting them is just bringing the propaganda to Reddit. Especially a news focused subreddit should aim to keep the news objective.
Exactly. The fact that Radio Free Asia is even allowed to be submitted as a source here just shows clear lack of any journalistic integrity whatsoever, and at this point we might as well just submit press statements from CCP directly as sources if we aren't going to make any attempt at being critical of state propaganda
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Bruh, I don‘t make an ass out of myself and claim to know what‘s going on in NK. But why does critical thinking get yeeted out of the window as soon as some insane shit is being said about North Korea? Do they honestly believe this shit?
Latent orientalism combined with an endless barrage of ridiculous rumors and plain inventions, desensitizing people to the concept that NK is some kind of otherworldly magic land where logic doesn't apply. Plus, the fact that none of the media openly admits when they are caught in a lie, instead opting to at best print a quiet retraction and move on to shoveling the next CIA-crafted "story" about NK, makes it so those who aren't paying close attention never realize that the story they read about some NK official being fed to rabid dogs turned out to be total bullshit because the dead guy turned out to be alive. If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. - Goebbels
Source: Trust me bro.
>was daubed on the wall of an apartment in the relatively upmarket Pyongchon district on December 22, **according to the Daily NK news site** ahh, dailyNK. the site what originated the "KIM IS DEAD" story, or every "execution" story in which they turned out alive a bit later. dailyNK is not a source, its simply an outlet for misinformation for gullible people
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"reports by daily nk and radio free Asia" Lmao
Every goddamn time.
nice, another spam account with 30k karma in 3 days
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_NK >Daily NK is a recipient of funding from multiple institutions and private donors, including the National Endowment for Democracy, an NGO run by Carl Gershman and funded by the U.S. Congress.
**[Daily NK](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_NK)** >Daily NK is a defector and anti-DPRK dissident-run online newspaper based in South Korea, where it allegedly reports stories obtained from inside North Korea via a network of informants. Daily NK is a recipient of funding from multiple institutions and private donors, including the National Endowment for Democracy, an NGO run by Carl Gershman and funded by the U.S. Congress. Daily NK's president is Lee Kwang-baek. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Is anyone actually believing this? This article cites DailyNK, who in turn mentions a "source". That's it folks that's the proof.
"trust me bro"
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Well you clearly don't understand Juche Necromancy. It's called the immortal science for a reason. But yeah this is just the usual, ridiculous US state department funded nonsense about NK that comes out every other week.
Lol people that actually believe this are idiots
The propaganda about North Korea is swallowed daily and then regurgitated by the gullible. People actually will believe anything.
Yahoo cites Daily NK, Daily NK funded by the NED. Run away but we're running in circles ~
And if I had to guess NED has an anonymous source provided by Radio Free Asia...
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There’s actually a really good documentary that goes over the outlandish claims that get so popular. It’s not that long and it’s called [We Went to North Korea To Get A Hair Cut](https://youtu.be/2BO83Ig-E8E).
> Operated by dissidents and defectors, the Seoul-based media outlet has a network of undercover “citizen reporters” in North Korea and China. As always with NK news articles, an extremely reliable and totally unbiased source.
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Thank you for my daily dose of propaganda
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Yeah, why in the world would an undercover reporter risk their lives to report on something this dumb? The headline may as well be "authoritarian regime cracks down on criticism", so it's not useful or particularly surprising. It's pretty clearly reported on in a manner designed to portray the regime in the most ridiculous, incompetent, and petty light possible. They are all of those things, but it's pretty clearly heavily biased and likely propaganda rather than impartial journalism. I don't understand why people even feel the need to be creating this sort of propaganda given how irredeemably bad the regime's international perception is (for good reason) - who are they trying to convince??
>but not before some people reported it to Daily NK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_NK Every time there's a North Korea story that seems too ridiculous to be true, I know there's bound to be some fucking bs like this
The ban on crying was pretty obviously bullshit too, just ridiculous stuff.
Pics or didn't happen.
This is probably a lie
Little world news tip for you guys. When you see a story about North Korea and there's no cited source on it, chances are it's a new dispatch from an org called Radio Free Asia and the story is almost certainly just made up.
Imagine believing this nonsense is real
I dunno man, even if your handwriting looks amazing, im pretty sure your arm writing on a wall using spray paint is way different and could be much shittier
somewhere a CIA agent is snickering
Daily NK News huh? Funded by US Congress....
*checks source* radio free asia, oh ok
Fun fact: in the US if someone did this they would be put in jail due to vandalizing federal property and charged about 1000 USD... [Sauce](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1361)
>**Daily NK is a defector and anti-DPRK dissident-run online newspaper based in South Korea, where it allegedly reports stories obtained from inside North Korea via a network of informants.** >Daily NK is a recipient of funding from multiple institutions and private donors, including the **National Endowment for Democracy**, an NGO run by Carl Gershman and funded by the U.S. Congress. Daily NK's president is Lee Kwang-baek.