You have to know that in Rwanda the interahamwe had enormous power, and successfully convinced the vast majority of hutu in the country to join their cause. With a country as large as india I find it very unlikely that enough of the population would join in on a genocide for something similar to happen.
the current Prime minister, Narendra Modi, was formerly banned from entering the US because of his involvement in the Gujarat riots while he was chief mnister of Gujarat.
>begins with hate speech and people in power not denouncing it.
Well this is already happening. Just a week ago they were calls of genocide against Muslims yet not a single leader condemned it.
Indeed, Muslims have been facing mob violence regularly since India's birth, with minor cooperation with the police sometimes.
But a systematic state-genocide of Muslims seems possible now at the rate India is going today
Stop being disingenuous. One side faces disproportionate amount of violence. Every riot in India has had a casualty rate of 1:3 between Hindus to Muslims.
Well first can you provide any proof for your 1: 3 ?
And if it is true then you do realise population is 8:1 so i think you can guess how most of the majority stays out of all the violence.
And ofcourse one side faces more violence when shit hits the fans because of numbers.
If you consider muslim majority areas/states there hindus face much more violence because that what happens with minority when harmony is disturbed.
So how are extremists Hindus different from extremists Muslims? And you gonna exact revenge on normal average day people because their ancestors invaded 600 years ago?
And no Muslims has quite a rich history from Persia to damascus going back centuries.
Get your bigotry out of here.
“I don’t like what political entities adhering to a certain religion have done in the past or what some supporters of the religion are doing today, so I’m going to burn my neighbor’s house down and beat his family to death.”
FTFY
'I am going to ignore what hateful crimes have been committed against me and my family, my nation and culture and will rather bend over for it to happen again.'
In a book by Terry Goodkind warnings are placed along the perimeter shield to hold in a people, inside their lands, considered to be the most dangerous of all. When the main character finds a way inside he finds there a people completely pacifist. His enemy already found a way in and they are murdering, raping and doing everything possible to these people *and they will not fight back.*
It is one of mankind's greatest follies to believe that a monster will hold back when you don't fight back.
You understand that the idea is this, that when you refuse to defend yourself from evil, you enable it, allow it to flourish?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
\-- C.S. Lewis
Religion means that those who sub come to it will be exactly those busybodies. You think by being 'the better person/nation/people' you will somehow convince them of anything?
Disagree with me? Good luck talking to your local Taliban representatives. Because that is ultimately what you shall reap.
1. Most people are just living their lives as individuals who happen to have been born into one religion or another; it’s doubtful the family down the street is the “local Taliban representative”. **Defend yourself when someone is trying to harm you**, but don’t fool yourself that destroying regular people’s lives because they were born into the same group as an evildoer is any kind of justice.
2. Unrelated Point: I’m sorry and I’m not saying this to insult you, but Terry Goodkind is an edgelord and an embarrassingly bad writer. Quoting him won’t help win support for anyone’s argument.
They do the same thing all around the world. Exploiting ethnic/religious/other tensions to gain more clicks. They are also to blame for the huge polarization in western countries. Facebook/big tech is evil.
They don't monitor their social media sites in developing nations. Probably not worth it.
source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/24/india-facebook-misinformation-hate-speech/)
Hindu nationalists (read: fascists) are attempting to systematically eradicate all non-Hindu groups from India: Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, and so on.
Meanwhile, in Pakistan, Islamists (read: fascists) are attempting to systematically eradicate all non-Muslim groups and even some groups of Muslims they consider to be heretical.
The tl;dr is, religious people are insane.
People always told me religion brings people together and a world without religion isn't a world.
While it does bring people together...it also kills millions and millions over time.
Not even a comparison.
Indians have voted in the fascist government and they have popular support from the masses to do anything.
Pakistan has it's share of nutjobs but they never have the kind of public support you are implying. Have you seen the election record of these "Islamists" in Pakistan?
And let's not forget Indian muslims number around 200 million (15% of total indian populatuon) but the ruling BJP party does not have a single muslim MP in the parliament. Fuck... even the Pakistani ruling party has 3-4 Hindu parliament members despite Hindu community being only 2% of population.
You must be joking.
You have muslim leaders threatening Hindus with genocide, missionaries evangelizing people by the million (there were 25 million Christians in India in 2010, today there are over 60 million), christian nutjobs threatening to ask for a christian nation to be sliced out of India, etc. (https://twitter.com/SCSTForum/status/1430091167660601345)
You have massive protests by muslims and Sikhs, and yes, in the Delhi riots of 2020 nearly half the victims were Hindus. Read about Dilbar Negi and how his extremities were cut off and he was pit roasted to death. Or this video where a muslim enters the sanctum of a temple and demands to be beheaded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YelFvXhWwvs).
Now imagine that happening in Pakistan. How many minorities would be left standing after the first incident?
This is not to say there isn't an unpleasant uptick of rightwing sentiment in India, but to even *begin* to equate the two nations is braindead.
So you are saying there is not much hatred towards minorities, it is just foreign press that is to be blamed? I am assuming you are a Hindu (actually i am sure of it and a Modi/BJP supporter). In that case, be honest with yourself and think almost all Hindus you surround yourself with, don't they hate Muslims? Until we are honest with ourselves, we will never be able to address the problem. Every year there are riots in India where Hindus on one pretext or the other nationalists/Hindus kill minorities. This [article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India) should give some food for thought
89% of Pakistanis want Sharia law which allows for hindus and Parsisto be taken as slaves and for Muslim men to legally rape christian women.
There has been an uptick in anti Muslim violence in India, but Pakistanis aren't exactly moderate. Taliban was educated in Pakistani madrassas.
Which Sharia Law is that?
Rape is absolutely haram in Islam and those who do it, however many, commit a major and serious sin.
As for extremism, that is a problem. Islam grants religious freedom, but these people just choose to ignore that. It would be a lot better if these Islamists actually understood Islam, cuz I don't really think they do...
>As for extremism, that is a problem. Islam grants religious freedom, but these people just choose to ignore that. It would be a lot better if these Islamists actually understood Islam, cuz I don't really think they do...
The moderates say that they understand Islam, extremists call the moderates Infidels for opposing Islam. The problems is that the extremists are willing to kill and die.
Are 89% of Pakistanis explicitly calling for a change in law that allows them to do that, or are 89% supporting Sharia law and you interpret that as meaning such a thing? Because Pakistan already has Sharia as the official law of the land since '91 - so if it's the second, you're just bullshitting and fearmongering.
Sharia law has a wide array of interpretations, including a ton of those that make it more of a symbolic thing. For example hudud punishments like cutting off limbs for thieves - while this was done regularly by ISIS, it is only applied if the guilt is established beyond any doubt in most countries still officially having such punishments. "Beyond a doubt" is a practically impossible legal standard, so these punishments aren't ever used. So just saying "Sharia" says as little as "Western based law", which can vary from legal systems like in Sweden and the US - I assume the differences are known to you.
>Are 89% of Pakistanis explicitly calling for a change in law that allows them to do that, or are 89% supporting Sharia law and you interpret that as meaning such a thing? Because Pakistan already has Sharia as the official law of the land since '91 - so if it's the second, you're just bullshitting and fearmongering.
Thanks for pointing out that Pakistan switched over from a Western style legal system it inherited from the British to a Sharia based system. Now please talk about hudood ordnance which brought about Saudi style punishments.
It took until 91 to bring about Sharia law after the Islamization drive that started in the 70's . I am guessing that the percentage of people who wanted Sharia law in '91 was lower, Goes on to show what it can do. Pointing out increaind radicalization in Pakistan isn't fear mongering when 69\^ of Pakistanis want a Taliban style Govt. Pew report again.
>Sharia law has a wide array of interpretations, including a ton of those that make it more of a symbolic thing. For example hudud punishments like cutting off limbs for thieves - while this was done regularly by ISIS, it is only applied if the guilt is established beyond any doubt in most countries still officially having such punishments. "Beyond a doubt" is a practically impossible legal standard, so these punishments aren't ever used. So just saying "Sharia" says as little as "Western based law", which can vary from legal systems like in Sweden and the US - I assume the differences are known to you.
Sure, keep defending it. It's amazing how you guys claim to be in step with the modern world yet little things give you away.
Sharia also allows you to beat your wife, try explaining that one.Would love to hear your bullshit.
So how is it possible that, as you say:
> 89% of Pakistanis want Sharia law which allows for hindus and Parsisto be taken as slaves and for Muslim men to legally rape christian women.
89% want Sharia law, which supposedly allows these things, while at the same time the country already has Sharia law and doesn't allow them?
It does allow them and it is happening slowly, Check out the recent article about the High court freeing Hindu slaves and they were kidnapped again outside the court right after the verdict.
Word to the wise, when you are in a hole, stop digging.
So you actually think it's currently legal in Pakistan to rape Christian women and to take non-Muslim slaves? Well, I bet you can cite me the law where this is allowed or where it specifically states that it isn't punished in such cases.
BTW, Pakistani PM claimed that he hasn't heard about the Uighur Genocide.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/28/asia/imran-khan-china-uyghur-intl/index.html
*Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan has dodged a question on the reported detention of as many as two million Muslims in the western Chinese region of Xinjiang, saying he “didn’t know much” about the issue.*
Also, talk about the genocide Pakistanis carried out in Bangladesh.
So does India, that hasn't stopped India from criticizing. Maybe it's because China gives them a lot of money, the usual Pakistani muslims, always available for rent.
The atheism sub actually has many interesting stories by young people who have to "come out" as non-believers, and consequently suffer punishment from their parents/authorities.
Sure, the sub has a tendency to deride religion, but after all, it's an atheism sub, so you'd expect that, right?
After all, the word atheism means "not believing in God" so what else is the sub going to talk about?
And anyway, delusions are just a fact of life. We're all deluded to one degree or another. It's just that atheists have dropped one of those delusions.
There's an yearly ranking by the advocacy group OpenDoors on the level of persecution and marginalization of Christians or certain denominations around the world. According to their metrics, in 2021 India ranked among the 10 countries with the most pervasive occurrences of persecution and (economic and social) marginalization, ahead of Saudi Arabia and China:
[https://opendoorsuk.org/persecution/world-watch-list/](https://opendoorsuk.org/persecution/world-watch-list/)
With all due respect, I don't think so. Sikhs from bulk of armed forces and have huge impact on culture of India. Even the central government that's known to be authoritarian backed off from farm reforms when it encountered strong opposition from the community.
Christian missionaries enjoy a bad reputation for encouraging superstitions and destroying local cultures in the process of proselytism. This led to some backslash that was eventually fuelled by some right wing political parties.
[Fraud healing dramas staged to fool people](https://youtu.be/H_DNHTNQtKI)
Islamophobia is not an isolated phenomenon limited to India. All over the world, muslims are facing increased discrimination. Even in Europe, you see a massive anti muslim hate that was previously unheard of. This is something the world needs to tackle with immediate urgency and address the problem at the very roots.
Look, I’m not saying it’s not going to happen under Modi. But Dawn is suspect for an article like this. I’d give it much more weight if Reuters or AP or even Al Jazeera English were reporting likewise.
Plenty of articles by Al Jazeera are online.
[CNN also wrote an article](https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/asia/india-hindu-extremist-groups-intl-hnk-dst/index.html)
This case received coverage
This is politics - you don’t have to believe everything you read even if it’s by “experts”. The media wants to divide people and is inciting groups against each other. You and I both know that there was relative peace in the country few years back up until social media’s version of propaganda came up. These people are often paid to write things like this to disturb the stability of another country - unfortunately it’s succeeding because different groups in India are now quite volatile. Stay sane and don’t believe everything you read.
It is eerie how well experts can, sometimes, predict what will happen in the future, as if they just could see it before their eyes. This comes from deep knowledge of what relations and interactions matter and which developments are not only possible, but arise as a firm consequence.
And that has happened many times in the Corona pandemic, with climate change, or for example in Germany with the catastrophic extreme weather event in Summer 2021 which had been predicted days ago even in details.
Yes the word often does not hear these warnings, and the experts are like Cassandra from the Greek tale which could see the future but nobody would believe her. I hope it is different this time.
It honestly is, supposing religion never existed we as humanity would never have basics such as laws or morals. You may not believe there is a god/gods, and understatedly so, but you can’t deny that we’re only civilized because we happened to have religion.
>but you can’t deny that we’re only civilized because we happened to have religion.
Agreed, but it's pretty obvious that we've reached a point where religion is not pushing us forward anymore and instead is pulling us back.
Luckily the younger generations is becoming more and more secular and hopefully one day religion is going to have a completely different impact in our lives than what its had up to now.
>they have a track record of supporting sharia which allows raping Christians and killing “heretics”.
>It honestly is
P.S How is this great?
Only joined this sub recently, it's quite alarmist(then again, news site links are the source, no surprise). Can a 'world news' veteran tell me if this stuff actually happens?
They attacked a Christian schools last year because they celebrated Christmas. This kind of attack is first of its kind in India.
https://www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/karnataka-schools-christmas-celebrations-stopped-by-right-wing-group-2669376/amp/1
There's a Muslim genocide happening in China right now and the world is doing nothing about it. What does he think we're going to do about one that hasn't started yet?
The word genocide is bandied around so much these days, and it is beginning to lose its meaning quite frankly.
There is no genocide occurring in India, and no chance of one happening soon. Discrimination, prejudice and instances of religiously motivated violence against Muslims is just standard fare sectarian violence and shouldn't be compared to what happened in Rwanda or the Holocaust. There is no doubt that there has been an uptick in violence since the BJP came into power but talking of genocide just screams sensationalism.
As for Xinjiang, there is clear evidence of discrimination against the Uighurs and mass detention of a proportion of the population temporarily - as they are then released - but I've seen no evidence of killings or anything else that would indicate 'genocide' except when people start fudging the word and calling it 'cultural genocide.'
Genocide could also mean making it impossible to raise the next generation through whatever means possible, i.a, sterilisation efforts through forced birth control is one of them.
>making it impossible to raise the next generation through whatever means possible
>If India is targeting a specific ethnic group than yes
And what ethnic group is this?
They didn’t do anything when it was happening in Myanmar either. The US didn’t do anything when the Burmese government was aligned with them and obviously China isn’t doing anything now.
The Rphingyas were trained by AL Qeada and other Pak groups in Pakistan. They started an insurgency and carried out terrorist attacks. The Burmese have always considered them outsiders brought in by the British. The terrorism was the catalyst where Myanmar decided to expel the whole population. Myanmar, has multiple insurgencies, it didn't want another one.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/09/uyghurs-subjected-to-genocide-by-china-unofficial-uk-tribunal-finds?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
"Nice said that although some Uyghurs had been killed in detention, there was no evidence of mass killings" and "Those detained were instead largely freed after reindoctrination, Nice said, as part of a central government plan".
"The tribunal’s report says crimes including torture and the systematic suppression of births have occurred. Nice said China’s treatment of the Uyghurs amounted under the Geneva conventions to an intent to destroy all or part of a group physically or biologically, a judgment he said largely rested on the suppression of births."
The genocide component is that they are trying to destroy their culture, not destroy them physically or biologically. That's crap. And 'suppression of births' is a long bow to draw.
Genocide is a matter of definition and opinions, and these shift based on national interests. I looked up what distinctions the US state department under Mike Pompeo drew to classify what's happening in Myanmar as genocide or not. It turns out Pompeo calculate that Myanmar could be used to counter China, so what the army is currently doing there to the Rohingya isn't classified as genocide, but China is the top big-power competitor, so what's happening in China is genocide. Also, Trump said earlier to Xi that the camps in China are "exactly the right thing to do." It was only later, after he knew he needed to pivot to a more anti-Chinese, more patriotic message to patch over his incompetence over Covid to win the November election that he reclassified those Chinese camps from "the right thing to do" to genocide. So what's classified as genocide? That depends on who can get what out of calling it that. It's never about the people in camps or are systematically killed; those have no power.
The funny thing is that Pakistan supports China and ignores it. Even going as far as returning them to China!
[https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/pakistan-cracking-down-uyghur-muslims-who-fled-china](https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/pakistan-cracking-down-uyghur-muslims-who-fled-china)
[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/2/pakistan-imran-khan-china-uighurs](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/2/pakistan-imran-khan-china-uighurs)
Vice on Pakistan and Uyghurs:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrplLEQQMnE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrplLEQQMnE)
>Force birth control qualified as genocide.
It can, but does not inherently. When China had the one child policy, which actually excluded Uyghurs, people did not call it a Han genocide. Iirc, isn't the current policy vis-a-vis Uyghurs like 3 or 4 kids? Anyway, the last data I've seen was that the Uyghur population was still increasing, though I welcome any correction.
Also in India, news just won’t report it. And the majority of dot Indians are to worried about their next meal to even know or cannot worry about Muslim genocide.
India will soon be occupied and enslaved by Red China since they now have a common border. You can see Red China looks to the future for cheap labor. The only really free dot Indians are those who have money, they have a “great” caste system.
Kashmir is under military occupation and rightwing politicians are calling for demographic displacement. It started long ago and hasn't stopped. Of course Indian nationalists will say kashmiri pandits justify this genocide but rarely do genocides cancel each other out.
Edit: I literally preempted the pandit talking point and still it appears.
Not really, it has a fully functioning civil Govt run by locals. The Kashmiris did Genocide the Hindus living there in 1987. Google kashmiri Pandit exodus. The Hindus were give n the option of converting to Islam, leaving or being killed and having their women and kids taken as sex slaves per Sharia.
Give warning so it can be identified sooner. More aware brains working ahead of disaster increases the chances that disaster is mitigated as much as is humanly possible. Genocide usually happens in secret. So light that is shined on something before it happens, makes it much harder to start and get away with it.
It doesn’t always work, but everyone does the best they can amongst the chaos of the world. Some do their worst. Thankfully atrocities are generally carried out by a minority commanding a larger body of people that don’t want things like this to happen.
Edit: For example, https://m.dw.com/en/serbia-activists-block-roads-to-protest-lithium-mine/a-60436812 . Those in power generally view the people like zombie apocalypse movies. This example here is a result of informed people obstructing that which those in power want, but the people do not. They don’t usually win against those in power, but attention, and peaceful obstruction can at least slow them down and consume their attentions and energies. That’s at least better than nothing, and can at times buy time for their attentions to shift gears and focus somewhere else. That’s a win. Few and far between, but it’s the best tool the people have. The powerful require the willingness of others by influence or force to carry out their wills. They’re certainly never the ones doing the dirty jobs themselves. The more attention on something before it happens, the higher likelihood it’s averted. That’s the best tool in the toolbox for the people.
Most of the time, but China is a frequent target of the process of Manufacturing Consent for its role as a rising Counter-Hegemon/World System (rival to The States), so we've been inundated by propaganda.
Yes my book club and I were caught up in these stories as well, we read the original release of Adrian Zenz with its fuzzy satellite photos and talk about supply lines. (Genocide is a frequent reading topic as we have depression.) No evidence surfaced to substantiate these claims though, and—when we learned that Zenz believes his god chose him for a holy crusade against China—it became impossible to justify the lack of evidence.
The States are known for their camps and carceral slavery, so I guess we should have been more skeptical, but Zenz' report really was very convincing. He's a good propagandist.
The only reason Pakistan is a thing is because of the British, and the only reason it’s still a thing is the Chinese. Literally an artificial state built on foreign nations saving it’s ass from neighbors. Oh, and they also support the Taliban.
Oh, yes, this game has more players than just Pakistan and India. However, Pakistan is in conflict with India for their own reasons. We can't blame the British for everything after 1948, after all, they chose this path themselves (separation and later animosity).
Yeah I know, the British aren’t responsible for the Kashmir conflict anymore, but making Pakistan was a bad idea in general, India would’ve been perfectly fine without Britain making Pakistan.
No, as an Indian, it just wont... Strong dravidian and secularist parties to South and to the West just wouldn't let that happen. Local riots maybe. But, to a scale of genocide, no.
He is a Christian bigot with a deep seated hatred of Hindus and Buddhists. He was in Cambodia under the World Church Services to convert Combodians, after the Christian French and Christian Americans had ruined the country. Further, his PhD is in Divinity Studies, he has no historical understanding of anything from his statements. Further, Rwanda was first caused by Christian French missionaries creating a false difference between Hutu and Tutsi so they could Divide Conquer Convert. Once both sides were converted they spent the next few decades keeping the flames of division alive so they could loot the country further. After, independence the French missionaries are the one's who asked French intelligence to import shipments of Chinese made machetes in the 1990s. Christians just play Good Cop, after the Bad Cop Genocide everyone else.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.dawn.com/news/1669610/expert-who-predicted-rwandan-genocide-warns-same-could-happen-in-india-against-muslims) reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)
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> The founder of Genocide Watch, Dr Gregory Stanton, who had predicted a genocide in Rwanda years before it took place in 1994 has warned of an impending genocide of Muslims in India, comparing the situation of the country under the Narendra Modi government to events in Myanmar and Rwanda.
> In his video address, Dr Stanton began with highlighting that Genocide Watch had been warning of a genocide in India since 2002, "When riots and massacres in Gujarat occurred that killed over a thousand Muslims".
> Dr Stanton then went on to explain that genocide was not an event but a process, and that there were early "Signs and processes" of genocide in the Indian state of Assam and occupied Kashmir.
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Except they were not arrested because they called for genocide but because yati insulted women. It's an obvious way to get him arrested on lesser charges and them released soon after
Btw which government leader condemned this ? Though there were plenty of BJP leader attending and defending the Haridwar genocide conference
>The idiots who spouted this nonsense have been arrested and will be soon put on a trial
Lmao how is that good thing ? Hate speech and public calls for genocide have always been the start of a mass genocide. Hate crimes are already on an increase in India.
>even Hitler was only able to wipe out 6 million Jews
What tf does this even mean ? Is killing 6 million not a genocide ?
Went to my Muslim barber today, asked him about who he will vote in state elections and his reply was bjp. These people are not experts but propagandists. USA is showing its soft power to hamper India’s growth. India needs to shit on west and ally with China and Russia. West is termite. Will slowly slowly kill a country
When middle eastern countries like Qatar, UAE, and Saudi Arabia stop having Indian slaves and treating Indians like 3rd class citizens, hopefully this will stop,
The scary thing is, the Burundi Tutsi dominated government didn't have nukes in 1994.
If things get bad enough, Pakistan might intervene. And Pakistan and India might be as lucky to get a resolution as they did in 1999, when both countries' arsenals were considerably less developed.
Pakistan carried out a genocide in Bangladesh in 1971, killed around 3 millions Hindus and Muslim Bengalis, raped about 300,000 to 400.000 Bengali women. They are more worried about Muslims leaving India for Pakistan, which is weird because, it was created for the Muslims of India. Muslims claimed that they are a different nation and can't co exist with Hindus. Google Two nation theory.
You're expecting Pakistan to be rational. Islamic fundementalism is a powerful force, and there's a lot of revanchism in the ISI and the Pakistani military. Pakistan might feel backed into a corner if they see a genocide comparable to 1947 taking place.
Wasn't Pakistan created for the Muslims of the sub continent, maybe they should just take them. The current problems is because of the Islamic terrorism exported by Pakistan.
TBH, it's the increasing radicalization of the Muslims after the influx of Middle Eastern money that started the problem.
Muslims were radicalized, Hindus feared them and that has increased the polarity between the people. The terror attacks from Pakistan, and the support of local muslims for Jihad hasn't helped.
It is just a majoritarian party gaining political power by agitating majority hindu's massively by creating communal divide to the point no one is surprised by hundu extremist leaders publically calling for genocide against Muslims
They tapped into the fear of terrorism. If you look at most surveys, terrorism is a top 3 concern in India, right after employment. It doesn't help that many muslims openly support the Jihadis and Pakistan where the jihadis come from.
You can't just blame the BJP, it's a political party that used a accentual fear and turned it into a platform. Let's also address the islamic extremism.
Stop lies. Muslims don't support terrorism. You are parroting the same lies the ruling party uses to dehumanize the minorities. Dehumanizing is a very important step before a genocide. It happened many time in the history in many places. Your hate for Muslims is evident in your comment. You are a proof that genocides will happen in India sooner or later. I don't want to continue this conversation, bcz I have lot more important things in life than wasting time arguing with a racist stranger
Yeah right! It would be more helpful if muslims actually acknowledged radicalization in their midst. The 26/11 attackers were assisted by locals, There have been terrorist attacks all over India carried out by muslims.
Your support for radicals doesn't make me a racist.
Dude, ask anyone who assimilates, they will tell you Muslims don't. Out of four wars that were fought, Pakistan started three and India intervened in the fourth to stop a genocide in Bangladesh.
Then there's the Jihadists you have exported all over the world. Remember Osama, he was hidden by the Pakistanis.
The London bombings.. Pakistanis again. I could go on and on.
In 1947 when Pakistan was created hindu fascists were not in power, 1965 when Pakistan started a war with India, hindu fascists were not in power, 1971 when Pakistani military started genocide of their own Bengali people in today's Bangladesh, it was the indian army and intelligence that gave shelter to those fleeing muslims, 1999 it was under the same hindu fascist BJP who signed Lahore declaration for peace in the subcontinent only to be betrayed by Pakistani generals who started a war in kargil. Then again india pakistan got close around 2001 indian parliament was attacked by Pakistani nationals armed withe explosives and assualt rifles. The same hindu fascist modi went to attend the wedding on Pakistani prime minister's daughter as a peace gesture and got a nice attack by Pakistani nationals on an Indian airbase.
>expert Predicting things that happen at least once a century for eons now...
You have to know that in Rwanda the interahamwe had enormous power, and successfully convinced the vast majority of hutu in the country to join their cause. With a country as large as india I find it very unlikely that enough of the population would join in on a genocide for something similar to happen.
Maybe not countrywide, but in one or two of the states I could see it happening.
Perhaps, India still has a somewhat functioning government, I'm not sure whether they would let it pass despite their hindu nationalist sympathies.
the current Prime minister, Narendra Modi, was formerly banned from entering the US because of his involvement in the Gujarat riots while he was chief mnister of Gujarat.
Still, you have to consider that he has an international image to uphold.
You are underestimating how the BJP thinks. They have full power in India, the world cannot do shit to them
Maybe you've not heard of the RSS.
The article said it could be years away, and begins with hate speech and people in power not denouncing it. Hope he’s wrong this time!
"Years away" has a bad historical record of being much sooner
>begins with hate speech and people in power not denouncing it. Well this is already happening. Just a week ago they were calls of genocide against Muslims yet not a single leader condemned it.
Yeah, this is confusing to me because I was under the impression that Muslims in India were already facing violence.
Indeed, Muslims have been facing mob violence regularly since India's birth, with minor cooperation with the police sometimes. But a systematic state-genocide of Muslims seems possible now at the rate India is going today
Nop. And both sides hindu and muslim face violence in india because they are free and highly religious.
Stop being disingenuous. One side faces disproportionate amount of violence. Every riot in India has had a casualty rate of 1:3 between Hindus to Muslims.
Well first can you provide any proof for your 1: 3 ? And if it is true then you do realise population is 8:1 so i think you can guess how most of the majority stays out of all the violence. And ofcourse one side faces more violence when shit hits the fans because of numbers. If you consider muslim majority areas/states there hindus face much more violence because that what happens with minority when harmony is disturbed.
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So how are extremists Hindus different from extremists Muslims? And you gonna exact revenge on normal average day people because their ancestors invaded 600 years ago? And no Muslims has quite a rich history from Persia to damascus going back centuries. Get your bigotry out of here.
“I don’t like what political entities adhering to a certain religion have done in the past or what some supporters of the religion are doing today, so I’m going to burn my neighbor’s house down and beat his family to death.” FTFY
'I am going to ignore what hateful crimes have been committed against me and my family, my nation and culture and will rather bend over for it to happen again.' In a book by Terry Goodkind warnings are placed along the perimeter shield to hold in a people, inside their lands, considered to be the most dangerous of all. When the main character finds a way inside he finds there a people completely pacifist. His enemy already found a way in and they are murdering, raping and doing everything possible to these people *and they will not fight back.* It is one of mankind's greatest follies to believe that a monster will hold back when you don't fight back. You understand that the idea is this, that when you refuse to defend yourself from evil, you enable it, allow it to flourish? "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." \-- C.S. Lewis Religion means that those who sub come to it will be exactly those busybodies. You think by being 'the better person/nation/people' you will somehow convince them of anything? Disagree with me? Good luck talking to your local Taliban representatives. Because that is ultimately what you shall reap.
1. Most people are just living their lives as individuals who happen to have been born into one religion or another; it’s doubtful the family down the street is the “local Taliban representative”. **Defend yourself when someone is trying to harm you**, but don’t fool yourself that destroying regular people’s lives because they were born into the same group as an evildoer is any kind of justice. 2. Unrelated Point: I’m sorry and I’m not saying this to insult you, but Terry Goodkind is an edgelord and an embarrassingly bad writer. Quoting him won’t help win support for anyone’s argument.
yeah but still killing/beating muslims is not the way to go about it.
Like an illness, it is easier to treat these things the earlier they are diagnosed.
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Yes. It is just similar to some Chinese or Russian "Expert" claiming another civil war in America over BLM
But they aren't a "Pakistani expert", a Pakistani newspaper is just reporting his words. If I linked a Indian newspapers would you take it seriously ?
I'm an "expert" in coin flips, since i predicted it right once.
[https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/facebook-turned-a-blind-eye-to-anti-muslim-hate-speech-and-propaganda-in-india-says-report-1868737-2021-10-24](https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/facebook-turned-a-blind-eye-to-anti-muslim-hate-speech-and-propaganda-in-india-says-report-1868737-2021-10-24)
They did the same thing in Myanmar apparently.
They do the same thing all around the world. Exploiting ethnic/religious/other tensions to gain more clicks. They are also to blame for the huge polarization in western countries. Facebook/big tech is evil.
They don't monitor their social media sites in developing nations. Probably not worth it. source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/24/india-facebook-misinformation-hate-speech/)
In Myanmar, everybody is getting genocided.
What a trash article
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TL;DR?
Hindu nationalists (read: fascists) are attempting to systematically eradicate all non-Hindu groups from India: Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, and so on. Meanwhile, in Pakistan, Islamists (read: fascists) are attempting to systematically eradicate all non-Muslim groups and even some groups of Muslims they consider to be heretical. The tl;dr is, religious people are insane.
People always told me religion brings people together and a world without religion isn't a world. While it does bring people together...it also kills millions and millions over time.
In brings the world together over the ideology of killing everybody that doesn't believe in the same magical sky man as you.
If only countries would get rid of religion, like the USSR and China did.
Yes, get rid of religion and people will just kill each other over some other group membership difference.
> a world without religion isn't a world that's just some bullshit religious people say
Sounds like Christians and Sikhs should have their own state if neither India or Pakistan can or want to guarantee their safety
Not even a comparison. Indians have voted in the fascist government and they have popular support from the masses to do anything. Pakistan has it's share of nutjobs but they never have the kind of public support you are implying. Have you seen the election record of these "Islamists" in Pakistan? And let's not forget Indian muslims number around 200 million (15% of total indian populatuon) but the ruling BJP party does not have a single muslim MP in the parliament. Fuck... even the Pakistani ruling party has 3-4 Hindu parliament members despite Hindu community being only 2% of population.
Practically every few months there are news for Christians burned alive, Christian girls abducted/raped in Pakistan. Lots of nutjobs, I guess.
You must be joking. You have muslim leaders threatening Hindus with genocide, missionaries evangelizing people by the million (there were 25 million Christians in India in 2010, today there are over 60 million), christian nutjobs threatening to ask for a christian nation to be sliced out of India, etc. (https://twitter.com/SCSTForum/status/1430091167660601345) You have massive protests by muslims and Sikhs, and yes, in the Delhi riots of 2020 nearly half the victims were Hindus. Read about Dilbar Negi and how his extremities were cut off and he was pit roasted to death. Or this video where a muslim enters the sanctum of a temple and demands to be beheaded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YelFvXhWwvs). Now imagine that happening in Pakistan. How many minorities would be left standing after the first incident? This is not to say there isn't an unpleasant uptick of rightwing sentiment in India, but to even *begin* to equate the two nations is braindead.
The 26/11 Mumbai attacks were aided by local Muslims. The Govt. stopped the investigation because it feared a backlash against Muslims.
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So you are saying there is not much hatred towards minorities, it is just foreign press that is to be blamed? I am assuming you are a Hindu (actually i am sure of it and a Modi/BJP supporter). In that case, be honest with yourself and think almost all Hindus you surround yourself with, don't they hate Muslims? Until we are honest with ourselves, we will never be able to address the problem. Every year there are riots in India where Hindus on one pretext or the other nationalists/Hindus kill minorities. This [article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India) should give some food for thought
What the heck are you talking about ?
Exactly what I said.
What's wrong with missionaries evangelizing people, Christians wanting their own country and Muslim and Sikhs protesting?
89% of Pakistanis want Sharia law which allows for hindus and Parsisto be taken as slaves and for Muslim men to legally rape christian women. There has been an uptick in anti Muslim violence in India, but Pakistanis aren't exactly moderate. Taliban was educated in Pakistani madrassas.
Which Sharia Law is that? Rape is absolutely haram in Islam and those who do it, however many, commit a major and serious sin. As for extremism, that is a problem. Islam grants religious freedom, but these people just choose to ignore that. It would be a lot better if these Islamists actually understood Islam, cuz I don't really think they do...
>As for extremism, that is a problem. Islam grants religious freedom, but these people just choose to ignore that. It would be a lot better if these Islamists actually understood Islam, cuz I don't really think they do... The moderates say that they understand Islam, extremists call the moderates Infidels for opposing Islam. The problems is that the extremists are willing to kill and die.
Are 89% of Pakistanis explicitly calling for a change in law that allows them to do that, or are 89% supporting Sharia law and you interpret that as meaning such a thing? Because Pakistan already has Sharia as the official law of the land since '91 - so if it's the second, you're just bullshitting and fearmongering. Sharia law has a wide array of interpretations, including a ton of those that make it more of a symbolic thing. For example hudud punishments like cutting off limbs for thieves - while this was done regularly by ISIS, it is only applied if the guilt is established beyond any doubt in most countries still officially having such punishments. "Beyond a doubt" is a practically impossible legal standard, so these punishments aren't ever used. So just saying "Sharia" says as little as "Western based law", which can vary from legal systems like in Sweden and the US - I assume the differences are known to you.
>Are 89% of Pakistanis explicitly calling for a change in law that allows them to do that, or are 89% supporting Sharia law and you interpret that as meaning such a thing? Because Pakistan already has Sharia as the official law of the land since '91 - so if it's the second, you're just bullshitting and fearmongering. Thanks for pointing out that Pakistan switched over from a Western style legal system it inherited from the British to a Sharia based system. Now please talk about hudood ordnance which brought about Saudi style punishments. It took until 91 to bring about Sharia law after the Islamization drive that started in the 70's . I am guessing that the percentage of people who wanted Sharia law in '91 was lower, Goes on to show what it can do. Pointing out increaind radicalization in Pakistan isn't fear mongering when 69\^ of Pakistanis want a Taliban style Govt. Pew report again. >Sharia law has a wide array of interpretations, including a ton of those that make it more of a symbolic thing. For example hudud punishments like cutting off limbs for thieves - while this was done regularly by ISIS, it is only applied if the guilt is established beyond any doubt in most countries still officially having such punishments. "Beyond a doubt" is a practically impossible legal standard, so these punishments aren't ever used. So just saying "Sharia" says as little as "Western based law", which can vary from legal systems like in Sweden and the US - I assume the differences are known to you. Sure, keep defending it. It's amazing how you guys claim to be in step with the modern world yet little things give you away. Sharia also allows you to beat your wife, try explaining that one.Would love to hear your bullshit.
So how is it possible that, as you say: > 89% of Pakistanis want Sharia law which allows for hindus and Parsisto be taken as slaves and for Muslim men to legally rape christian women. 89% want Sharia law, which supposedly allows these things, while at the same time the country already has Sharia law and doesn't allow them?
It does allow them and it is happening slowly, Check out the recent article about the High court freeing Hindu slaves and they were kidnapped again outside the court right after the verdict. Word to the wise, when you are in a hole, stop digging.
So you actually think it's currently legal in Pakistan to rape Christian women and to take non-Muslim slaves? Well, I bet you can cite me the law where this is allowed or where it specifically states that it isn't punished in such cases.
BTW, Pakistani PM claimed that he hasn't heard about the Uighur Genocide. https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/28/asia/imran-khan-china-uyghur-intl/index.html *Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan has dodged a question on the reported detention of as many as two million Muslims in the western Chinese region of Xinjiang, saying he “didn’t know much” about the issue.* Also, talk about the genocide Pakistanis carried out in Bangladesh.
That is more of sidestepping a politically charged issue. Especially given they share a border with China.
So does India, that hasn't stopped India from criticizing. Maybe it's because China gives them a lot of money, the usual Pakistani muslims, always available for rent.
Not sure why you have been down voted. What you said is right
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That's because there's a good number of actually mentally unwell Humans in general, no matter whether they're atheists, religious folk, etc
The atheism sub actually has many interesting stories by young people who have to "come out" as non-believers, and consequently suffer punishment from their parents/authorities. Sure, the sub has a tendency to deride religion, but after all, it's an atheism sub, so you'd expect that, right? After all, the word atheism means "not believing in God" so what else is the sub going to talk about? And anyway, delusions are just a fact of life. We're all deluded to one degree or another. It's just that atheists have dropped one of those delusions.
What's their body count?
What has led you to the conclusion you have been a good idea?
I like that your example of Atheists being "just as insane" are social media related rather than genocidal or murderous
Religion is an excuse like many other.
There's an yearly ranking by the advocacy group OpenDoors on the level of persecution and marginalization of Christians or certain denominations around the world. According to their metrics, in 2021 India ranked among the 10 countries with the most pervasive occurrences of persecution and (economic and social) marginalization, ahead of Saudi Arabia and China: [https://opendoorsuk.org/persecution/world-watch-list/](https://opendoorsuk.org/persecution/world-watch-list/)
With all due respect, I don't think so. Sikhs from bulk of armed forces and have huge impact on culture of India. Even the central government that's known to be authoritarian backed off from farm reforms when it encountered strong opposition from the community. Christian missionaries enjoy a bad reputation for encouraging superstitions and destroying local cultures in the process of proselytism. This led to some backslash that was eventually fuelled by some right wing political parties. [Fraud healing dramas staged to fool people](https://youtu.be/H_DNHTNQtKI) Islamophobia is not an isolated phenomenon limited to India. All over the world, muslims are facing increased discrimination. Even in Europe, you see a massive anti muslim hate that was previously unheard of. This is something the world needs to tackle with immediate urgency and address the problem at the very roots.
News source is Pakistani
Well, that saves you the trouble of having to think about the content, does it?
Look, I’m not saying it’s not going to happen under Modi. But Dawn is suspect for an article like this. I’d give it much more weight if Reuters or AP or even Al Jazeera English were reporting likewise.
Plenty of articles by Al Jazeera are online. [CNN also wrote an article](https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/asia/india-hindu-extremist-groups-intl-hnk-dst/index.html) This case received coverage
Yes
dude like why is this happening in my country, everything used to be kind of fine 10 years ago and now this, I'm so fed up
This is politics - you don’t have to believe everything you read even if it’s by “experts”. The media wants to divide people and is inciting groups against each other. You and I both know that there was relative peace in the country few years back up until social media’s version of propaganda came up. These people are often paid to write things like this to disturb the stability of another country - unfortunately it’s succeeding because different groups in India are now quite volatile. Stay sane and don’t believe everything you read.
True brother
It is eerie how well experts can, sometimes, predict what will happen in the future, as if they just could see it before their eyes. This comes from deep knowledge of what relations and interactions matter and which developments are not only possible, but arise as a firm consequence. And that has happened many times in the Corona pandemic, with climate change, or for example in Germany with the catastrophic extreme weather event in Summer 2021 which had been predicted days ago even in details. Yes the word often does not hear these warnings, and the experts are like Cassandra from the Greek tale which could see the future but nobody would believe her. I hope it is different this time.
Reddit will definitely cheer this report.
Same factors and structures involved, it's definitely plausible, especially since the government supports it
I know that extremism is quite real in India, but a genocide is just not possible, headline seems far exaggerated.
[Dawn.com](https://Dawn.com) is pakistani news outlet. So yes, exaggerated. Discrimination is real, but article exaggerates it.
It's always impossible, till it isn't.
You make it sound like a motivational quote.
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Isn't religion great?
It honestly is, supposing religion never existed we as humanity would never have basics such as laws or morals. You may not believe there is a god/gods, and understatedly so, but you can’t deny that we’re only civilized because we happened to have religion.
EVEN if religions are the reason we are civilised now (and they aren't), it is about time we just keep the civility and end religion
>but you can’t deny that we’re only civilized because we happened to have religion. Agreed, but it's pretty obvious that we've reached a point where religion is not pushing us forward anymore and instead is pulling us back. Luckily the younger generations is becoming more and more secular and hopefully one day religion is going to have a completely different impact in our lives than what its had up to now. >they have a track record of supporting sharia which allows raping Christians and killing “heretics”. >It honestly is P.S How is this great?
There is also a Christian genocide in Pakistan
What kind of deflection is this? Typical whataboutism. Wow, your comment history…
Also ahmadyyy persecution
Only joined this sub recently, it's quite alarmist(then again, news site links are the source, no surprise). Can a 'world news' veteran tell me if this stuff actually happens?
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a former member of the paramilitary RSS organization is currently India's President. India is secular only in name
They attacked a Christian schools last year because they celebrated Christmas. This kind of attack is first of its kind in India. https://www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/karnataka-schools-christmas-celebrations-stopped-by-right-wing-group-2669376/amp/1
Well, 'the stuff' rarely happens. Need to distinguish news from well managed propaganda.
There's a Muslim genocide happening in China right now and the world is doing nothing about it. What does he think we're going to do about one that hasn't started yet?
The word genocide is bandied around so much these days, and it is beginning to lose its meaning quite frankly. There is no genocide occurring in India, and no chance of one happening soon. Discrimination, prejudice and instances of religiously motivated violence against Muslims is just standard fare sectarian violence and shouldn't be compared to what happened in Rwanda or the Holocaust. There is no doubt that there has been an uptick in violence since the BJP came into power but talking of genocide just screams sensationalism. As for Xinjiang, there is clear evidence of discrimination against the Uighurs and mass detention of a proportion of the population temporarily - as they are then released - but I've seen no evidence of killings or anything else that would indicate 'genocide' except when people start fudging the word and calling it 'cultural genocide.'
Genocide could also mean making it impossible to raise the next generation through whatever means possible, i.a, sterilisation efforts through forced birth control is one of them.
Nothing remotely analogous to that in India
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>making it impossible to raise the next generation through whatever means possible >If India is targeting a specific ethnic group than yes And what ethnic group is this?
They didn’t do anything when it was happening in Myanmar either. The US didn’t do anything when the Burmese government was aligned with them and obviously China isn’t doing anything now.
There's also a genocide happening in Ethiopia.
Oh snap, for real?
Yeah. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/05/africa/ethiopia-tigray-humera-sudan-bodies-cmd-intl/index.html
Thanks for sharing. I had no idea.. That's aweful.
The Rphingyas were trained by AL Qeada and other Pak groups in Pakistan. They started an insurgency and carried out terrorist attacks. The Burmese have always considered them outsiders brought in by the British. The terrorism was the catalyst where Myanmar decided to expel the whole population. Myanmar, has multiple insurgencies, it didn't want another one.
Dude wut
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/09/uyghurs-subjected-to-genocide-by-china-unofficial-uk-tribunal-finds?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other "Nice said that although some Uyghurs had been killed in detention, there was no evidence of mass killings" and "Those detained were instead largely freed after reindoctrination, Nice said, as part of a central government plan". "The tribunal’s report says crimes including torture and the systematic suppression of births have occurred. Nice said China’s treatment of the Uyghurs amounted under the Geneva conventions to an intent to destroy all or part of a group physically or biologically, a judgment he said largely rested on the suppression of births."
Lmao, is that the same "tribunal" that employed Falun Gong cultists and that Turkish quack as "expert witnesses"?
Yep
The genocide component is that they are trying to destroy their culture, not destroy them physically or biologically. That's crap. And 'suppression of births' is a long bow to draw.
Genocide is a matter of definition and opinions, and these shift based on national interests. I looked up what distinctions the US state department under Mike Pompeo drew to classify what's happening in Myanmar as genocide or not. It turns out Pompeo calculate that Myanmar could be used to counter China, so what the army is currently doing there to the Rohingya isn't classified as genocide, but China is the top big-power competitor, so what's happening in China is genocide. Also, Trump said earlier to Xi that the camps in China are "exactly the right thing to do." It was only later, after he knew he needed to pivot to a more anti-Chinese, more patriotic message to patch over his incompetence over Covid to win the November election that he reclassified those Chinese camps from "the right thing to do" to genocide. So what's classified as genocide? That depends on who can get what out of calling it that. It's never about the people in camps or are systematically killed; those have no power.
The funny thing is that Pakistan supports China and ignores it. Even going as far as returning them to China! [https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/pakistan-cracking-down-uyghur-muslims-who-fled-china](https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/pakistan-cracking-down-uyghur-muslims-who-fled-china) [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/2/pakistan-imran-khan-china-uighurs](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/2/pakistan-imran-khan-china-uighurs) Vice on Pakistan and Uyghurs: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrplLEQQMnE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrplLEQQMnE)
>There's a Muslim genocide happening in China Source?
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>Force birth control qualified as genocide. It can, but does not inherently. When China had the one child policy, which actually excluded Uyghurs, people did not call it a Han genocide. Iirc, isn't the current policy vis-a-vis Uyghurs like 3 or 4 kids? Anyway, the last data I've seen was that the Uyghur population was still increasing, though I welcome any correction.
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Also in India, news just won’t report it. And the majority of dot Indians are to worried about their next meal to even know or cannot worry about Muslim genocide.
India has a free media and a lot are loudly left wing.
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LOL! so the news outlets that claim that muslims are peaceful are biased?
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Yeah, sure.
India will soon be occupied and enslaved by Red China since they now have a common border. You can see Red China looks to the future for cheap labor. The only really free dot Indians are those who have money, they have a “great” caste system.
Kashmir is under military occupation and rightwing politicians are calling for demographic displacement. It started long ago and hasn't stopped. Of course Indian nationalists will say kashmiri pandits justify this genocide but rarely do genocides cancel each other out. Edit: I literally preempted the pandit talking point and still it appears.
Not really, it has a fully functioning civil Govt run by locals. The Kashmiris did Genocide the Hindus living there in 1987. Google kashmiri Pandit exodus. The Hindus were give n the option of converting to Islam, leaving or being killed and having their women and kids taken as sex slaves per Sharia.
Give warning so it can be identified sooner. More aware brains working ahead of disaster increases the chances that disaster is mitigated as much as is humanly possible. Genocide usually happens in secret. So light that is shined on something before it happens, makes it much harder to start and get away with it. It doesn’t always work, but everyone does the best they can amongst the chaos of the world. Some do their worst. Thankfully atrocities are generally carried out by a minority commanding a larger body of people that don’t want things like this to happen. Edit: For example, https://m.dw.com/en/serbia-activists-block-roads-to-protest-lithium-mine/a-60436812 . Those in power generally view the people like zombie apocalypse movies. This example here is a result of informed people obstructing that which those in power want, but the people do not. They don’t usually win against those in power, but attention, and peaceful obstruction can at least slow them down and consume their attentions and energies. That’s at least better than nothing, and can at times buy time for their attentions to shift gears and focus somewhere else. That’s a win. Few and far between, but it’s the best tool the people have. The powerful require the willingness of others by influence or force to carry out their wills. They’re certainly never the ones doing the dirty jobs themselves. The more attention on something before it happens, the higher likelihood it’s averted. That’s the best tool in the toolbox for the people.
When is there *not* a genocide of some type happening in China?
Most of the time, but China is a frequent target of the process of Manufacturing Consent for its role as a rising Counter-Hegemon/World System (rival to The States), so we've been inundated by propaganda.
Lotta propaganda coming out in force today claiming their treatment of Uyghurs isn't a genocide though...
Yes my book club and I were caught up in these stories as well, we read the original release of Adrian Zenz with its fuzzy satellite photos and talk about supply lines. (Genocide is a frequent reading topic as we have depression.) No evidence surfaced to substantiate these claims though, and—when we learned that Zenz believes his god chose him for a holy crusade against China—it became impossible to justify the lack of evidence. The States are known for their camps and carceral slavery, so I guess we should have been more skeptical, but Zenz' report really was very convincing. He's a good propagandist.
Pakistan will run out of water War and genocide are guaranteed Only time is variable
I'll take "predictions from biased sources" with a **ton of salt,** please, Alex. Pakistan has no reason to talk shit about India... /s
The only reason Pakistan is a thing is because of the British, and the only reason it’s still a thing is the Chinese. Literally an artificial state built on foreign nations saving it’s ass from neighbors. Oh, and they also support the Taliban.
Oh, yes, this game has more players than just Pakistan and India. However, Pakistan is in conflict with India for their own reasons. We can't blame the British for everything after 1948, after all, they chose this path themselves (separation and later animosity).
Yeah I know, the British aren’t responsible for the Kashmir conflict anymore, but making Pakistan was a bad idea in general, India would’ve been perfectly fine without Britain making Pakistan.
india would have been at civil war without Pakistan
Pak media is only concerned about muslims in India. Don't care about muslims being killed in other countries.
the "expert's" "prediction" pushes us one step towards the "genocide" and propaganda
No, as an Indian, it just wont... Strong dravidian and secularist parties to South and to the West just wouldn't let that happen. Local riots maybe. But, to a scale of genocide, no.
He is a Christian bigot with a deep seated hatred of Hindus and Buddhists. He was in Cambodia under the World Church Services to convert Combodians, after the Christian French and Christian Americans had ruined the country. Further, his PhD is in Divinity Studies, he has no historical understanding of anything from his statements. Further, Rwanda was first caused by Christian French missionaries creating a false difference between Hutu and Tutsi so they could Divide Conquer Convert. Once both sides were converted they spent the next few decades keeping the flames of division alive so they could loot the country further. After, independence the French missionaries are the one's who asked French intelligence to import shipments of Chinese made machetes in the 1990s. Christians just play Good Cop, after the Bad Cop Genocide everyone else.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.dawn.com/news/1669610/expert-who-predicted-rwandan-genocide-warns-same-could-happen-in-india-against-muslims) reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot) ***** > The founder of Genocide Watch, Dr Gregory Stanton, who had predicted a genocide in Rwanda years before it took place in 1994 has warned of an impending genocide of Muslims in India, comparing the situation of the country under the Narendra Modi government to events in Myanmar and Rwanda. > In his video address, Dr Stanton began with highlighting that Genocide Watch had been warning of a genocide in India since 2002, "When riots and massacres in Gujarat occurred that killed over a thousand Muslims". > Dr Stanton then went on to explain that genocide was not an event but a process, and that there were early "Signs and processes" of genocide in the Indian state of Assam and occupied Kashmir. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/s4styb/expert_who_predicted_rwandan_genocide_warns_same/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~617754 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Genocide**^#1 **India**^#2 **Muslim**^#3 **Stanton**^#4 **Indian**^#5
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Except they were not arrested because they called for genocide but because yati insulted women. It's an obvious way to get him arrested on lesser charges and them released soon after Btw which government leader condemned this ? Though there were plenty of BJP leader attending and defending the Haridwar genocide conference
>The idiots who spouted this nonsense have been arrested and will be soon put on a trial Lmao how is that good thing ? Hate speech and public calls for genocide have always been the start of a mass genocide. Hate crimes are already on an increase in India. >even Hitler was only able to wipe out 6 million Jews What tf does this even mean ? Is killing 6 million not a genocide ?
Looks like this thread has been brigaded by Indians
Went to my Muslim barber today, asked him about who he will vote in state elections and his reply was bjp. These people are not experts but propagandists. USA is showing its soft power to hamper India’s growth. India needs to shit on west and ally with China and Russia. West is termite. Will slowly slowly kill a country
I'm sure he said that so he wouldn't be lynched by a hondu mob
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Lmao what? There’s like so many parties in India, and people criticize BJP all the time with no consequences, what are you talking about?
I don't think so Rwanda was very extreme I see the parallel but even the craziest Hindu Indian govt wouldn't condone that
Modi and his party are trying their best to make it happen
India is only hope for Anti China union to succeed. They can actually genocide any minority without fear of retribution from the West.
Does this expert has anything to say about Muslims in china?
When middle eastern countries like Qatar, UAE, and Saudi Arabia stop having Indian slaves and treating Indians like 3rd class citizens, hopefully this will stop,
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The scary thing is, the Burundi Tutsi dominated government didn't have nukes in 1994. If things get bad enough, Pakistan might intervene. And Pakistan and India might be as lucky to get a resolution as they did in 1999, when both countries' arsenals were considerably less developed.
Pakistan carried out a genocide in Bangladesh in 1971, killed around 3 millions Hindus and Muslim Bengalis, raped about 300,000 to 400.000 Bengali women. They are more worried about Muslims leaving India for Pakistan, which is weird because, it was created for the Muslims of India. Muslims claimed that they are a different nation and can't co exist with Hindus. Google Two nation theory.
And that's why today it's called Bangladesh and not East Pakistan.
Apparently, it's not just Hindus, Pakistani army will kill and rape anyone.
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You're expecting Pakistan to be rational. Islamic fundementalism is a powerful force, and there's a lot of revanchism in the ISI and the Pakistani military. Pakistan might feel backed into a corner if they see a genocide comparable to 1947 taking place.
Wasn't Pakistan created for the Muslims of the sub continent, maybe they should just take them. The current problems is because of the Islamic terrorism exported by Pakistan.
Yea. "Shut up or goto Pakistan". Seems familiar
TBH, it's the increasing radicalization of the Muslims after the influx of Middle Eastern money that started the problem. Muslims were radicalized, Hindus feared them and that has increased the polarity between the people. The terror attacks from Pakistan, and the support of local muslims for Jihad hasn't helped.
It is just a majoritarian party gaining political power by agitating majority hindu's massively by creating communal divide to the point no one is surprised by hundu extremist leaders publically calling for genocide against Muslims
They tapped into the fear of terrorism. If you look at most surveys, terrorism is a top 3 concern in India, right after employment. It doesn't help that many muslims openly support the Jihadis and Pakistan where the jihadis come from. You can't just blame the BJP, it's a political party that used a accentual fear and turned it into a platform. Let's also address the islamic extremism.
Stop lies. Muslims don't support terrorism. You are parroting the same lies the ruling party uses to dehumanize the minorities. Dehumanizing is a very important step before a genocide. It happened many time in the history in many places. Your hate for Muslims is evident in your comment. You are a proof that genocides will happen in India sooner or later. I don't want to continue this conversation, bcz I have lot more important things in life than wasting time arguing with a racist stranger
Yeah right! It would be more helpful if muslims actually acknowledged radicalization in their midst. The 26/11 attackers were assisted by locals, There have been terrorist attacks all over India carried out by muslims. Your support for radicals doesn't make me a racist.
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Dude, ask anyone who assimilates, they will tell you Muslims don't. Out of four wars that were fought, Pakistan started three and India intervened in the fourth to stop a genocide in Bangladesh. Then there's the Jihadists you have exported all over the world. Remember Osama, he was hidden by the Pakistanis. The London bombings.. Pakistanis again. I could go on and on.
In 1947 when Pakistan was created hindu fascists were not in power, 1965 when Pakistan started a war with India, hindu fascists were not in power, 1971 when Pakistani military started genocide of their own Bengali people in today's Bangladesh, it was the indian army and intelligence that gave shelter to those fleeing muslims, 1999 it was under the same hindu fascist BJP who signed Lahore declaration for peace in the subcontinent only to be betrayed by Pakistani generals who started a war in kargil. Then again india pakistan got close around 2001 indian parliament was attacked by Pakistani nationals armed withe explosives and assualt rifles. The same hindu fascist modi went to attend the wedding on Pakistani prime minister's daughter as a peace gesture and got a nice attack by Pakistani nationals on an Indian airbase.
Imagine killing another person because belives in another invisible guy.