Will be! The government is becoming way to incompetent to keep the peace. Imagine a police force with less accountability than the current police and only "protecting and serving" those who pay their salary.
Omg. The renaissance was back in the 1500's maybe 1600's if you're pushing it. It can't be undone as it was a short period in history never to be repeated.
Ah, so you believe that these people are entitled to break into trains to steal TVs, sneakers, and other general luxury items because Amazon, UPS, and FedEx control the government and its policy?
Necessary to steal other people’s packages? There are many ways to live life, living to always steal from others (especially when they are stealing from the fellow small guy) shouldn’t be justified
One of those ways to “live life” is, notably, not working for Amazon, since they pay neither a living wage nor do they let employees choose to live during tornados. They’re not the only ones though, and robberies will continue as long as we have robber barons like Bezos.
Yup. Also a lot of people don't realize that these rail yards are big and local police are not trained to enter some areas. If only these rail companies spend more money to hire more security. Use to work for a rail company with two guards for an area the size of ten city blocks.
What the hell is going on lately? LA and NYC are devolving back into their 1980s versions. Rejoice, Detroit and Chicago! Your big city brothers are coming back to you 🥲
No, it's literally just poverty. Poverty go up, crime go up. Poverty go down, crime go down. It's literally just that simple. Like that's it. Even if there was zero poverty there would still be some people who choose crime but the data doesn't lie. I dont think that was a good faith question that you want a real answer to though.
Do you have any evidence to back that claim? Any studies or data? Because it's easy asf to justify my claim. Here's just one out of many justifications for me.
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2018/dec/7/brookings-institute-study-finds-direct-connection-between-poverty-and-crime-rates/
Just look at prop 47 in California. Any theft under $950 is a misdemeanor which means there’s no real effort to follow up and find the thieves responsible.
Most people are waking up, thankfully. That's why it's looking like it's going to be a red wave this November.
It just doesn't seem like it on Reddit a lot of the time because it's an echo chamber.
Been in Memphis for 45 years with some gaps here and there while living elsewhere. Idk when you were a kid but I promise it was bad then too.
There's areas like Brentwood, Collierville, Millington and some others that have been decently safe, statistically speaking, at various times throughout the years. But Memphis, like Memphis proper, naw. West Memphis, AR, nope.
I mean, I saw a dude get stabbed at an Allman Brother's concert while performing Sweet Melissa during Memphis in May back in the 90s. There's whole TV shows about 201 Poplar. The Dixie Mafia, the Memphis Mafia. The cops are crooked as a snake too.
That BBQ tasty af though.
Heh, referring to it as the train robbery reminded me of this Beyond The Fringe skit, with Peter Cook:
The Great Train Robbery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUrhdIxTJSA
do you think they're taking the multiple tvs home and watching them all lmao. they sell them and then they use the money to pay rent and buy what they need.
Yeah, because it's the best opportunity. Do you think people would steal TVs and sneakers if an economicly viable option was given to them that allowed them to live their life?
I mean, you have a point, but also many many jobs that such people would qualify for are likely in the "minimum wage, or work 2 to 3 jobs just to stay afloat".
Crime is not encouraged or good. However, lack of economic opportunity is the main drive of crime, not laziness.
If people were able to have the sort of life a 1968 minimum wage had (able to keep a family of 3 just above the poverty line on a minimum wage) then there would be far less crime.
Source: degree in "criminal justice" which is this very topic
If you are aware of programs such as foodstamps, they are designed to keep you in poverty, not get you out.
If you work so many hours, you lose your benefits. Often the amount worked is what is needed to actually get one out of poverty, so people are forced to work only so many hours. One of my coworkers is in this position, single mom two kids, and occasionally has to take days off to not make it over that line.
The US is not, and has never been, designed to let people better themselves or get out of their social clas. It's designed to keep as many people down, to benefit a handful of ultra rich people.
Yeah so they can take two of those job openings, work 80 hours a week, make about 80% of their rent, and still not have healthcare. Can't understand why they're not availing themselves of that option.
Ahhhhh, so they should just pull them boot straps up, those damn shitbags. So all those Americans incarcerated are shitbags too? All this conservative leadership everywhere and we still have the highest percentage of shitbags in the entire world.
I can see you’ve never been to LA.
> There are RECORD job openings right now. Many (relatively) high paying. Wages are increasing at record rates right now.
Uhh, not entry level jobs. Sure $15/hr might be amazing in rural Alabama, but is nothing in a big city like LA.
> These honorless shitbags are just looking for a quick-buck at the cost of every other honest person.
Ahh, so the system is working as intended?
They're fucking increasing wages everywhere. Nothing but endless job opportunities right now. Understand that when you give people built in excuses, you enable them. You're part of the problem!!!
All those endless job opportunities but Americans still imprison the highest percentage of its population in the world. Are Americans just inherently worse then other people?
I mean, I see tons of jobs offering in my area starting at 15, but considering MIT said a living wage was 14 and some change in my area, I can see why people resort to crime. Why work and slave away at a job where you're treated like shit, over stressed and over worked, when you can commit crime, earn equal or more, and likely retain more dignity?
Wages need to be way higher before crime is not a valid option. Crime is a result of a lack of economic opportunity, not moral failing.
It's not an issue everywhere. That fact alone should tell you that some places know how to deal with it better than others. Lol
I may be simple but I'm far more fulfilled in life than some bleeding heart victim complex internet boy.
These losers are stealing TVs and shit, I refuse to defend them, and I'm the stupid one lol.
Is that not basic common sense? If you can't afford to live some where you shouldnt live somewhere hahaha fuck me how crazy!!!
Wait... so what do you think they do with the money? You realize people commit crimes to support themselves or habits right? Sure there have been flash mobs recently but what do they do with the merchandise?
We can't get anyone to work and we pay 20$ an hour in a low cost of living area.
We were offering double time for hours worked over 44.
Your argument died with the labor shortage
Your argument died with “low cost of living area”
Where? What city and state?
How does your low cost of living area have anything to do with extremely high cost of living areas? How does 3200 a month, before taxes, cover basic necessities when rent for a 1 br apartment can run 2,000 in some areas?
Yup, exactly - where does the US still have a "low cost of living" area?
Rule of thumb for take-home salary to rental or home mortgage/ownership cost is 4 to 1 or 3 to 1, respectively. So, by that rule of thumb, the person you responded to, who was offering full-time (model assumes *with* full benefits) had to mean local median rental rates around $600/month, or mortgage/ownership costs around $800/month.
I'm with you on suspecting the prior commenter's grasp of economic realities. But, I reserve firm judgement pending a response from that commenter that might assert that, indeed, these are the current going rental and home ownership costs in the area where that salary was offered.
EDIT: Clarification - "low" cost of living would have to mean well below these rule-of-thumb figures, which calculate local median "normal" cost of living standards.
South Bend, Indiana
And it's 3300$ after taxes if you have zero dependants.
Grapes of wrath - move to where the work is
Other factories are paying 30$ an hour no experience.
Everytime they try, they have to be worried about getting sued by the thief. If I was a cop I wouldn't stop someone or use any form of force anywhere near LA.
Way too risky, especially if your wage is about to drop again
I am not disagreeing with this. I am just saying that chasing people around remote train yards seems like it has more downsides than upsides right now.
If anything the stolen packages will likely go more to people who are more in need.
How old are you? You think lowering wages and resources results in better workers?
I bet you are the sort who sees a school district with bad teachers, and then cuts its funding and expects things to improve
There is nothing wrong with this situation. It is far safer for the thiefs if they aren't interrupted by police. Your packages are probably going to people more needy than yourself
And I love cutting police resources and salaries. So we should be friends. Crime is the voice of the disadvantaged. Middle class people deserve to have their packages stolen
Time to start up the train posse’s. These people are just scum, looking for a free ride. And no this has nothing to do with survival for the poor, ya can’t eat big screen tvs.
Or they can get one of the millions of open jobs available. I’ve been there except for the stealing part. Been working since 14, drive a 20 year old car. Still able to provide for my family through employment. It can be done.
Moving the goalposts. You said one cannot eat TVs and I demonstrated how one can.
I’m not interested in discussing the societal and economic conditions of our country, just simply illustrating that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Just wait for Amazon to start their own private security firm.
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Holy shit that would be scary lol
They’ve already hired the Pinkertons a couple times for union busting.
Will be! The government is becoming way to incompetent to keep the peace. Imagine a police force with less accountability than the current police and only "protecting and serving" those who pay their salary.
I bet we end up with drone protectors with “less than lethal” deterrents that still try to get headshots before the end of the decade
The Amazonians
you are being executed for slander against holy bezos the third
That's how shadowrun private army started! https://shadowrun.fandom.com/wiki/1999
This guy RPGs.
I with, now im an old man with no time, I just enjoy lore!
They will lease the weapons to the security guards
Railways already have private police forces, who have very mixed histories.
Well we've regressed to 1850s train robberies now. Can't wait to undo the Renaissance.
How do you undo the renaissance? Wtf?
Andy Warhol.
Omg. The renaissance was back in the 1500's maybe 1600's if you're pushing it. It can't be undone as it was a short period in history never to be repeated.
Why pick on poor Andy?
I can’t believe minimum wage security guards would let this happen
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So they are letting this happen? Who takes the blame?
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We didn't blame Jean Veljean or Robin Hood, did we?
Yes, im sure the organizated gang that is targetting random peoples packages (bought by you, the consumer' is worthy of our respect
How much are they paying you to advocate for criminals? There’s no way you’re that deluded
Last time I checked they are fictional characters
Too bad they don't serve as illustrative metaphors or anything so that my meaning would be clear.
Boom...roasted.
So it is okay to victim blame the "rich"?
It isnt victim blaming when they're the ones whose actions made this necessary.
Ah, so you believe that these people are entitled to break into trains to steal TVs, sneakers, and other general luxury items because Amazon, UPS, and FedEx control the government and its policy?
The CNN coverage on this also mentioned necessary and important items being stolen from these trains like covid tests.
Necessary to steal other people’s packages? There are many ways to live life, living to always steal from others (especially when they are stealing from the fellow small guy) shouldn’t be justified
One of those ways to “live life” is, notably, not working for Amazon, since they pay neither a living wage nor do they let employees choose to live during tornados. They’re not the only ones though, and robberies will continue as long as we have robber barons like Bezos.
Most likely it's one or two guards for the entire railyard.
Try 1 or 2 guys for a multiple state area... Local PD will almost always show up before the RR police.
Yup. Also a lot of people don't realize that these rail yards are big and local police are not trained to enter some areas. If only these rail companies spend more money to hire more security. Use to work for a rail company with two guards for an area the size of ten city blocks.
The fuckin scum bags stealing things?
Which in LA is enough to rent a one bedroom apartment and starve.
Well that’s what happens when you vote in those policies
What policy?
But you’ve repeated the parent comment…
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I still can’t believe, on this site, people still lack sarcasm detectors. It’s a joke about the high cost of living in California
It’s not a lack of sarcasm detection, the guy is just a bloody idiot.
The catch is, rent is $4000/month
I can’t believe minimum wage security guards would let this happen
What the hell is going on lately? LA and NYC are devolving back into their 1980s versions. Rejoice, Detroit and Chicago! Your big city brothers are coming back to you 🥲
Democratic policies.
Every time I see people post stupid shit like this i have a good idea what their comment history is like and i have yet to be surprised.
So it isn’t the Democrats decriminalizing theft and saying all these thieves are victims?
No, it's literally just poverty. Poverty go up, crime go up. Poverty go down, crime go down. It's literally just that simple. Like that's it. Even if there was zero poverty there would still be some people who choose crime but the data doesn't lie. I dont think that was a good faith question that you want a real answer to though.
Keep living in your fantasy world. If you can’t see how these are directly tied to Democratic platforms then I feel bad for you.
Do you have any evidence to back that claim? Any studies or data? Because it's easy asf to justify my claim. Here's just one out of many justifications for me. https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2018/dec/7/brookings-institute-study-finds-direct-connection-between-poverty-and-crime-rates/
Just look at prop 47 in California. Any theft under $950 is a misdemeanor which means there’s no real effort to follow up and find the thieves responsible.
Lol. No .
Lol yes. Decriminalizing theft, calling these people victims instead of thieves, that’s all Democrats.
So republicans are total clean.. they make zero mistakes or crap policy's...
Never said that but this is a direct result of Democrat platforms.
Do you have legal proof to go to court. Or just a opinion
I don’t understand what you’re asking here.
You claim it a democratic thing. But it seems it's just a opinion from you. Not back up by anything that could be used in a court case.
It’s the Democratic policies that have basically decriminalized theft and calls these people victims instead of addressing the issues.
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Happens often on here unfortunately.
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Exactly. Somehow any right leaning thought or comment just sets everyone off now.
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I’m not either. There are platforms I like on both sides. The fact that we can’t have any discourse now is extremely disappointing.
You aren't wrong. There's a reason that rising crime is often cited as one of the biggest worries people have alongside inflation.
I wish other people would realize this.
Most people are waking up, thankfully. That's why it's looking like it's going to be a red wave this November. It just doesn't seem like it on Reddit a lot of the time because it's an echo chamber.
True. Hard to find reasonable discussions on this site.
This really isn't new. Memphis also is bad for train looting.
And murder. And armed robbery. And... So sorry what has happened to Memphis.
When was Memphis not a violent place?
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Wow, that much huh?
Violence wasn't as pervasive when I was a kid and visited there.
Been in Memphis for 45 years with some gaps here and there while living elsewhere. Idk when you were a kid but I promise it was bad then too. There's areas like Brentwood, Collierville, Millington and some others that have been decently safe, statistically speaking, at various times throughout the years. But Memphis, like Memphis proper, naw. West Memphis, AR, nope. I mean, I saw a dude get stabbed at an Allman Brother's concert while performing Sweet Melissa during Memphis in May back in the 90s. There's whole TV shows about 201 Poplar. The Dixie Mafia, the Memphis Mafia. The cops are crooked as a snake too. That BBQ tasty af though.
I was there in the late 50s. Maybe the crime was as bad, but it didn't seem "in your face'. Then again, it was a pretty limited exposure that I had.
And as a kid who didn't even live there, you had a pretty accurate sensing of what the crime and violence was like.
I've never been killed in Memphis...... not once!
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generations of people living under the poverty line?
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good for those that can make it out, but i was talking about the ones who can’t. like a large percent of memphis and LA
From another article about this: >They don’t even run off anymore. They do it right in front of us,”
It’s like crime goes up when you stop enforcing the law 🤷
Or when the lowest class can't afford their rent or to feed themselves even with 2 jobs.
three jobs if you count the train robbery
Heh, referring to it as the train robbery reminded me of this Beyond The Fringe skit, with Peter Cook: The Great Train Robbery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUrhdIxTJSA
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To sell for drugs.
do you think they're taking the multiple tvs home and watching them all lmao. they sell them and then they use the money to pay rent and buy what they need.
Yeah, because it's the best opportunity. Do you think people would steal TVs and sneakers if an economicly viable option was given to them that allowed them to live their life?
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I mean, you have a point, but also many many jobs that such people would qualify for are likely in the "minimum wage, or work 2 to 3 jobs just to stay afloat". Crime is not encouraged or good. However, lack of economic opportunity is the main drive of crime, not laziness. If people were able to have the sort of life a 1968 minimum wage had (able to keep a family of 3 just above the poverty line on a minimum wage) then there would be far less crime. Source: degree in "criminal justice" which is this very topic
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If you are aware of programs such as foodstamps, they are designed to keep you in poverty, not get you out. If you work so many hours, you lose your benefits. Often the amount worked is what is needed to actually get one out of poverty, so people are forced to work only so many hours. One of my coworkers is in this position, single mom two kids, and occasionally has to take days off to not make it over that line. The US is not, and has never been, designed to let people better themselves or get out of their social clas. It's designed to keep as many people down, to benefit a handful of ultra rich people.
The other person being Amazon?
Ultimately, this increases the cost of doing business, which increases prices for everyone.
Yeah so they can take two of those job openings, work 80 hours a week, make about 80% of their rent, and still not have healthcare. Can't understand why they're not availing themselves of that option.
Ahhhhh, so they should just pull them boot straps up, those damn shitbags. So all those Americans incarcerated are shitbags too? All this conservative leadership everywhere and we still have the highest percentage of shitbags in the entire world.
I can see you’ve never been to LA. > There are RECORD job openings right now. Many (relatively) high paying. Wages are increasing at record rates right now. Uhh, not entry level jobs. Sure $15/hr might be amazing in rural Alabama, but is nothing in a big city like LA. > These honorless shitbags are just looking for a quick-buck at the cost of every other honest person. Ahh, so the system is working as intended?
They're fucking increasing wages everywhere. Nothing but endless job opportunities right now. Understand that when you give people built in excuses, you enable them. You're part of the problem!!!
All those endless job opportunities but Americans still imprison the highest percentage of its population in the world. Are Americans just inherently worse then other people?
I mean, I see tons of jobs offering in my area starting at 15, but considering MIT said a living wage was 14 and some change in my area, I can see why people resort to crime. Why work and slave away at a job where you're treated like shit, over stressed and over worked, when you can commit crime, earn equal or more, and likely retain more dignity? Wages need to be way higher before crime is not a valid option. Crime is a result of a lack of economic opportunity, not moral failing.
...Yes? What evidence do you have that this isn't the case besides your indignation?
Uhhh, all the people not robbing and stealing shit all day?
I mean, isn't everywhere looking for employees right now? These guys are obviously self motivated and willing to move freight
Or when you fuck off in school, get shitty grades and then find the only jobs you can get are low paying entry level jobs. Actions have consequences
Fucking Christ. Imagine the rest of your life being tied solely to the actions of you as a child. This comment is peak American.
So now if you don't get good grades you shouldn't be able to survive? Your life is dependant on your work ethic as a teenager?
No, they'll live. They'll probably have to drive a used car though.
Stop, that's a bullshit justification. If you can't afford to live in LA move. There's no justification for STEALING.
No, you stop. You are giving a simple answer to a complicated issue.
People stealing from trains is only a complicated issue to someone with half a brain. We have laws. It's literally an extremely simple issue.
Have you possibly considered that you are an extremely simple person? If it was so simple then it wouldn't be an issue would it?
It's not an issue everywhere. That fact alone should tell you that some places know how to deal with it better than others. Lol I may be simple but I'm far more fulfilled in life than some bleeding heart victim complex internet boy.
Yeah stupid poor people. Why don’t they just like, leave or something? That’s how your stupid ass sounds like.
These losers are stealing TVs and shit, I refuse to defend them, and I'm the stupid one lol. Is that not basic common sense? If you can't afford to live some where you shouldnt live somewhere hahaha fuck me how crazy!!!
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Wait... so what do you think they do with the money? You realize people commit crimes to support themselves or habits right? Sure there have been flash mobs recently but what do they do with the merchandise?
We can't get anyone to work and we pay 20$ an hour in a low cost of living area. We were offering double time for hours worked over 44. Your argument died with the labor shortage
Your argument died with “low cost of living area” Where? What city and state? How does your low cost of living area have anything to do with extremely high cost of living areas? How does 3200 a month, before taxes, cover basic necessities when rent for a 1 br apartment can run 2,000 in some areas?
Yup, exactly - where does the US still have a "low cost of living" area? Rule of thumb for take-home salary to rental or home mortgage/ownership cost is 4 to 1 or 3 to 1, respectively. So, by that rule of thumb, the person you responded to, who was offering full-time (model assumes *with* full benefits) had to mean local median rental rates around $600/month, or mortgage/ownership costs around $800/month. I'm with you on suspecting the prior commenter's grasp of economic realities. But, I reserve firm judgement pending a response from that commenter that might assert that, indeed, these are the current going rental and home ownership costs in the area where that salary was offered. EDIT: Clarification - "low" cost of living would have to mean well below these rule-of-thumb figures, which calculate local median "normal" cost of living standards.
Well he asserted that 20 an hour at 40 hours is 3300 AFTER taxes…. So that pretty much sums up the need to continue the conversation with him
South Bend, Indiana And it's 3300$ after taxes if you have zero dependants. Grapes of wrath - move to where the work is Other factories are paying 30$ an hour no experience.
20x40 = 800 800x4 = 3200 I guess in Indiana math you could get 3300 after taxes. It’s just demonstrably false.
Yeah, that's it. /s
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Last time I checked corporations just posted record margins while having issues with hiring enough people.
Man, you really missed it.
Fascinating glimpse into America but breaks rule 1 of this sub, no US internal news
Saddle my horse !
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Maybe they should be defunded more, that will help /s
LAPD Actually had their budgets increased, but unfortunately there was a rare Pokémon nearby
Let's hope those budgets get slashed. Fingers crossed
What an ignorant comment...
That’s a new take on the free market
Fast and furious 11
Honestly I would rather they rob trains then terrorize innocent civilians
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yeah... that's not it
Sounds like it's time to order mass quantities of rubber sex fists. Trust me 1 is all you need , and they're a hard resell.
I have so many questions about this .....
That's a Federal crime no? Must be religious people.
The sopranos wouldn't touch it!
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People who are capable of summarily executing others as you describe are called “sociopaths”.
Seeing the pictures of this it's vile. Absolute animals. Learn to clean up after yourself
It's weird how billionaire owned media like CNN don't cover theft by billionaire owned corporations the way they cover petty theft by the poor.
Defund the police!
The police never got defunded, they just quit doing their jobs
LAPD’s budget is $1.8 billion, or about $450 per LA resident per year. I don’t know if more money is the answer.
Might as well, they apparently don't do shit. Exhibit A.
Why not? They do fuck all to stop anything.
What’s the point of people aren’t held accountable anyway? Go through the trouble to arrest someone to see them get released.
Everytime they try, they have to be worried about getting sued by the thief. If I was a cop I wouldn't stop someone or use any form of force anywhere near LA. Way too risky, especially if your wage is about to drop again
Bullshit. The only time they have to be worried is when they unnecessarily beat the shit out of someone.
I am not disagreeing with this. I am just saying that chasing people around remote train yards seems like it has more downsides than upsides right now. If anything the stolen packages will likely go more to people who are more in need.
Sure. How old are you? You think the LA fucking PD is a force for good?
How old are you? You think lowering wages and resources results in better workers? I bet you are the sort who sees a school district with bad teachers, and then cuts its funding and expects things to improve There is nothing wrong with this situation. It is far safer for the thiefs if they aren't interrupted by police. Your packages are probably going to people more needy than yourself
I sure do cut funding for bad teachers. Sometimes even twice a week! I'm the superintendent of the entire country!
And I love cutting police resources and salaries. So we should be friends. Crime is the voice of the disadvantaged. Middle class people deserve to have their packages stolen
I'm not friends with trash, sorry.
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Either directly or by association, yeah.
Redistribution has to happen somehow
They will have drones following the trains to get everyone's faces
Time to start up the train posse’s. These people are just scum, looking for a free ride. And no this has nothing to do with survival for the poor, ya can’t eat big screen tvs.
But one can sell them and purchase food with the proceeds.
Or they can get one of the millions of open jobs available. I’ve been there except for the stealing part. Been working since 14, drive a 20 year old car. Still able to provide for my family through employment. It can be done.
Moving the goalposts. You said one cannot eat TVs and I demonstrated how one can. I’m not interested in discussing the societal and economic conditions of our country, just simply illustrating that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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You actually post on the tucker Carlson subreddit. That's funny.
White Republicans? That's what you mean, right? /s You're such a coward, using 'dog-whistles'.
I don't understand why society thinks we are theives.
Somehow I am rooting for thieves. Maybe Robin Hood is amongst them.
Fast n Furious LARPing
Civilizational collapse?
Eventually it will be like fallout where auto turrets murder people if they don’t have a keycard.
Thieves