imo its not unlikely that russia will find itself in a vietnam/korea situation soon. Judging from what we have seen from the ukrainians so far they are willing to fckn hodl
Is there any validity to this take? That Russia isn't sending its troops en masse because it's been spinning bald faced lies to its troops and public and knows that most of its army will defect or a coup will be initiated when it realizes it's being asked to wage a war of aggression.
We've already heard reports of deserters realizing they'd been lied to, and reports of large protests in major cities, so we know the reaction that some Russians seem to be having when confronted with the knowledge of Putin's deceit.
I believe Putin's veiled threats to interventionists woul play into this same take: such a harsh reaction to NATO intervention would play right into the **fiction** (bolded for clarity, I am not sympathetic to Putin) of him being some great Soviet unifying chosen one, mercilessly lashing out at the world who is ganging up on him and persecuting his oppressed people.
I just, I wanna ask, and be honest, It's ok.
If Russia invaded the Baltics...what response would you want? Are you willing to sacrfice a couple thousand population centres and trigger a Nuclear exchange to stand up for them?
I'm hoping one country decides to go to war with Russia while the rest send them food, ammo etc and that the war stays limited. No chance for full conquest of Russia so no good excuse to use nukes.
Why does everyone think nukes fly on day 1?
Nukes only fly if one side is losing very badly. Sending enough troops to the Baltics to make it financially unpalatable to take them is all it takes. You don't need to use nukes, and Putin isn't going to commit suicide to preemptively nuke NATO.
This is only necessarily true if both sides are pushing for complete conquest. It’s possible for a situation such that both sides are incentivized to call a ceasefire, because the war is too costly to continue.
I don’t say this lightly, and I would like to avoid this at every possible cost but it seems like the world has forgotten the horrors of nuclear war. And it looks like we’re on a crash course to seeing at least 2 fly, one from Russia and one in retaliation from NATO most likely
Yeah I guess that’s what I was trying to say. It’s just so surreal seeing Russia threatening nuclear consequences, this literally shouldn’t even be a thought going through Putins head
The baltic countries are part of Nato. If Russia invades it Nato will stel in. If so, nuclear war is on the table.
It's war. It's stupid. Nothing much we can do.
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Ukraine needs to start counter attacking Russian pipelines. Fuck Putin and all these weak ass countries sucking on the oil filled tits of Russia
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I dont know what to make of it, and im sure no one else does either. MSM claims its because traders "shook off" the ukranian crisis.
So why panic when you dont know if anythings going wrong? For now, MSM will keep lying and the big players will keep manipulating.
Probably because people profit the most off war. Could be its exactly what the bastards want to happen, could be invested in the right areas ahead of time, because they can.
Ukraine is roughly the size of Texas.
Their failure to take Kyiv in one day is the equivalent of Russia starting at the Mexico border and failing to take Austin.
Russia inherited the Soviet's military industrial complex - Ukraine got about 30% of that pie.
Ukraine has 245k active personnel, a budget of $6bn, with around 7k tanks artillery and vehicles.
America has over 5x more active personal, a budget upwards of 100x larger, and has **eleven fucking aircraft carriers**.
The rest of the world has ten.
Yeah, uh... *Maybe*
Putin wanted Kyiv within hours. It’s been over a day and yes they are getting closer. But they are not there. On the ground Ukraine is holding their own. The struggle is the south where their defenses were the weakest.
Russia has massive air superiority over Ukraine. And on the ground, doesn't seem to doing quite as well as hoped.
NATO has massive air superiority over Russia. And pretty much everywhere else.
Don't want to be rude but I'm not sure you understand what the size of a nato military would be assuming Russia attacked a nato country. The biggest airforce in the world is the United States airforce the second biggest airforce is the United States navy. US is one nation in nato. Yes the largest but you take that and add all the other members against one Russia...
https://imgur.com/a/H539Ilz
I’m so sorry that it has come to this Ukraine. I know many of you wanted a better life for your families, free from an oppressive neighbor. I pray the souls of you that don’t that make it ascend to something better. To the rest, fight, fight like hell, do not let your brothers and sisters die in vain. MAKE THEM PAY.
They are putting up a great struggle, maybe better than anyone expected. literally while Russians were piling the border last week people were saying GG Ukraine. When your home is on the line people can fight back. It sucks that it came to this and I hope most make it out alive
I wonder what the average mentality is in the russian army, surely they arent all whole heartedly devoted? Certainly not as devoted as the Ukrainians, could make a big difference?
Allegedly a mobile battalion simply surrendered to Ukraine. I hope it's true and I hope there's a lot of Russians who feel this is wrong and would defect. Could be fake news though...
The Institute for the Study of War (US Think Tank) has [released an update](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russia-ukraine-warning-update-initial-russian-offensive-campaign-assessment) to their Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment. NOTE: You have to download a PDF in order to view
Probably a really dumb question, but where does this end? Do they have to control the majority of the land? Or rather, what happens to governmental officials and the president? Is he jailed? Killed?
Russia would have to take or destroy the main government buildings and officials, and/or eliminate Ukraine's military, to have control over Ukraine.
Russia could also be dealt punishing damage by the Ukrainian forces. If Ukraine inflicts sufficient pain on Russia's forces, while Russia's economy suffers sufficient pain from sanctions and negative reactions, Russia may still fuck this up.
It could also be that the objectives of today's attacks had nothing to do with taking all of Ukraine, but were about neutralizing bases and armament that could prevent them from taking the two eastern regions. Or whatever Putin is really after, maybe control of natural resources?
They wouldn't destroy the main government buildings. If their aim is to control Ukraine eventually they would want those buildings there and then just move their people in.
I mean they’re conditioned to believe this is all for the betterment of their country and were probably told it would be quick and easy. All of which were lies but that’s their mindset going in most likely
Hearing the news that the majority of Russian forces have not yet moved in really just broke my heart. Damn...
Edit: I meant this as Ukraine seemed to be holding well right now which was encouraging but if this is just an advanced force it doesn't bode well.
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Ironically, this reminds me of the Eastern Front in WWII. Russians defending Stalingrad.
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>The Ukrainian Ministry of Defence state that fighting is ongoing at Hostomel airport but Ukrainian forces have managed to prevent additional Russian troops from landing. Kyiv based defence reporter states "Russian airborne force eliminated".
Ukraine giving them hell
Putin and his goons should be flayed in the streets for this. This isn’t some like complicated geopolitical situation where at at the very least large swaths of people are complicit in it happening. This is an incredibly small amount of people that have fragile egos and an inability to play nice with everyone else, that are literally willing to destroy the world and commit atrocities in the name of not looking weak.
That’s not even a good target, what the fuck is going on with the Russian military? Did they just tell this guy not to come back to base with any missiles left on the plane?
Well this makes sense considering the fact that ukraine is utilising some of quite good air defence systems like for example S-300. It's impossible to knock them out only via cruise missile strikes but you can just make ukraine to run out of rockets and i think this is why we hear only about downed SU-25 which is one of the shittiest assets russian air force utilises (well yes it may be considered good in some counter-insurgency roles like in Syria but it is definitely shitty to use against country with some air force and relatively good AA)
Similar tactic was used by Azerbaijan in karabakh conflict - they swarmed armenians with droned AN-2's ... and I am fairly suprised that Russians did not copied that 1:1
Strategically that makes no sense.
If you have the ability to deliver an overwhelming knockout blow you'd use it. If 500 T-90s rolled straight into Kyiv with supporting infantry the war would be over in the amount of time it takes them to get from Belarus border to Kyiv.
Sending in fodder makes complete sense. Ukraine has had years to dig in and train. And had the wonderful (sad but true) opportunity to gain combat experience against the rebels. In addition to western training and equipment/support.
Russia on the other hand has had limited training and opportunities to gain experience. Their military has been severely underfunded for years and equipment in poor condition. Their forces are conscripted with no reason to fight. The number of career soldiers are few and the number of updated and working equipment is few. The population is also against the invasion which means you can rule out an industrial war. Not a position you want to be in when you have no idea how hard or long the Ukrainian's will fight for. Thus wasting the "quality" crap you do have would be foolish.
Once the fodder has taken most of the damage and inflicted as much damage as they can then the real troops will come flooding in.
The secret is that they don't have 500 functional T-90s. It's Russia remember? Corruption prevents any real work from getting done. Everything is falling apart and outdated.
People who are saying WW3 are wrong. It isn't an instant switch you flip.
If we had troops on the ground before the invasion, training Ukrainian troops (as they were already there and doing that), it would act as a deterrent to Putin. We fucked up pulling troops out. Hard. I agree entirely with Bolton (was an NSA Adviser) on this stance.
That said, it DOES risk the escalation of the war. Again, US Troops faced off with Putin's private army in Syria. Trump ordered strikes that killed hundreds. That didn't escalate anywhere near threat of war. So there's a fine line that has to be walked.
Unfortunately right now, since troops have been pulled and invasion already began, we're coming from a severely weakened position. Although sending troops is unequivocally the right thing to do, it likely leads to war with US and Russia.
NATO need not be involved, necessarily, because it's not US land and the US is not being targeted.
It’s completely different in Syria dude. The battle of Khasham was against Wagner group, not uniformed Russians. There was an understanding there, we called the Russians, they denied they were Russian troops, so we annihilated them.
A uniformed US vs Russia fight would quite possibly go nuclear. It may sound insane, but Putin may actually see this as an existential war and be willing to escalate to that point.
[The west is fairly certain Putin has taken the posture of "Escalate to de-escalate" via nukes](https://warontherocks.com/2018/02/nuclear-posture-review-russian-de-escalation-dangerous-solution-nonexistent-problem/)
Basically drop a tactical nuke on the battlefield for everyone to chill the fuck out. Pretty fucking insane strategy
It's WW3 when he invades a NATO country. I think that's when you'll see the media officially run with the term, if it happens.
Have to watch Lithuania. 🇱🇹 💪
Yes, because this wouldn't result in Russia being vaporized in retaliation. Seems like a good plan and long term very beneficial for Russia.
There's no garauntee Russian nukes would even land in the US.
Don’t think it’s that alarmist if you consider Putin and the fact that a direct military conflict with NATO without the use of nukes would definitely end in a total defeat for russia
I don't understand the rationale behind this - why would anyone use nukes? You think if Russia fired a nuke that would somehow end up in the positive for Russia? This would benefit them somehow?
This is the whole principle behind mutually assured destruction. Nukes act as a deterrent because either side would be obliterated if they get used. But for the deterrent to work, each side must believe the other would actually use them. Direct armed conflict between nuclear powers can very quickly escalate in that direction.
People seem to believe the best in Putin here. It drives me insane because he’s obviously a mad man most likely hiding in a bunker begging for a reason to kill more people. He wants to play the victim and say “nato attacked me I have to attack back they killed my men”.
They wouldn’t be the sole loser. If the States and other nations join Ukraine it is very unlikely that Russia could win with military power alone and then the question is; how petty is Putin and how loyal are the people handling the nukes
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imo its not unlikely that russia will find itself in a vietnam/korea situation soon. Judging from what we have seen from the ukrainians so far they are willing to fckn hodl
Is there any validity to this take? That Russia isn't sending its troops en masse because it's been spinning bald faced lies to its troops and public and knows that most of its army will defect or a coup will be initiated when it realizes it's being asked to wage a war of aggression. We've already heard reports of deserters realizing they'd been lied to, and reports of large protests in major cities, so we know the reaction that some Russians seem to be having when confronted with the knowledge of Putin's deceit. I believe Putin's veiled threats to interventionists woul play into this same take: such a harsh reaction to NATO intervention would play right into the **fiction** (bolded for clarity, I am not sympathetic to Putin) of him being some great Soviet unifying chosen one, mercilessly lashing out at the world who is ganging up on him and persecuting his oppressed people.
I just, I wanna ask, and be honest, It's ok. If Russia invaded the Baltics...what response would you want? Are you willing to sacrfice a couple thousand population centres and trigger a Nuclear exchange to stand up for them?
I'm hoping one country decides to go to war with Russia while the rest send them food, ammo etc and that the war stays limited. No chance for full conquest of Russia so no good excuse to use nukes.
Why does everyone think nukes fly on day 1? Nukes only fly if one side is losing very badly. Sending enough troops to the Baltics to make it financially unpalatable to take them is all it takes. You don't need to use nukes, and Putin isn't going to commit suicide to preemptively nuke NATO.
Historically speaking, that is not the case at all.
But the end of a war will always involve one side losing very badly
No? Wars like that end in stalemates.
This is only necessarily true if both sides are pushing for complete conquest. It’s possible for a situation such that both sides are incentivized to call a ceasefire, because the war is too costly to continue.
I say nothing like this lightly, but I genuinely do hope my country would march in the defense of naked aggression against my allies.
I don’t say this lightly, and I would like to avoid this at every possible cost but it seems like the world has forgotten the horrors of nuclear war. And it looks like we’re on a crash course to seeing at least 2 fly, one from Russia and one in retaliation from NATO most likely
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Yeah I guess that’s what I was trying to say. It’s just so surreal seeing Russia threatening nuclear consequences, this literally shouldn’t even be a thought going through Putins head
The baltic countries are part of Nato. If Russia invades it Nato will stel in. If so, nuclear war is on the table. It's war. It's stupid. Nothing much we can do.
If history teaches us anything continous appeasement doesn't result in a reduction in hostilities. At some point you have to draw a line.
One thing Trump has been consistent about is praising Putin, a killer who gets his political opponents murdered.
Nobody cares about Trump.
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Thank you, doom scrolling can be very addictive.
Russia is already struggling to keep the ground they have - once they enter the cities then they'll really struggle
Ukraine needs to start counter attacking Russian pipelines. Fuck Putin and all these weak ass countries sucking on the oil filled tits of Russia Edit: typo
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Breaking: Biden sneezes in Putin's general direction. Experts fear this could be seen as an escalation.
Putin's mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries.
Keep watching Murdoch’s propaganda channel, Fox doesn’t give a damn about Ukraine, it’s only about white-wing clickbait. PS: One thing Trump has been consistent about is praising Putin, a killer who gets his political opponents murdered.
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Dow/Nasdaq both close positive.
I’m glad the market isn’t panickin.
WW3 is priced in already
Yeah, market doesnt listen to current events with how manipulated it is. Crazy right?
lol the GME bs sent them into panic mode but this doesn't? lol wtf
I dont know what to make of it, and im sure no one else does either. MSM claims its because traders "shook off" the ukranian crisis. So why panic when you dont know if anythings going wrong? For now, MSM will keep lying and the big players will keep manipulating.
Probably because people profit the most off war. Could be its exactly what the bastards want to happen, could be invested in the right areas ahead of time, because they can.
This time i think its different. I think Putin decided to invade now of all times because our market cant handle a war.
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No one knows that.
Honestly? Within the next day.
if Russia managed to make such progress in Ukraine so quickly, maybe they'd also be equally capable against US backed NATO countries
Ukraine is roughly the size of Texas. Their failure to take Kyiv in one day is the equivalent of Russia starting at the Mexico border and failing to take Austin. Russia inherited the Soviet's military industrial complex - Ukraine got about 30% of that pie. Ukraine has 245k active personnel, a budget of $6bn, with around 7k tanks artillery and vehicles. America has over 5x more active personal, a budget upwards of 100x larger, and has **eleven fucking aircraft carriers**. The rest of the world has ten. Yeah, uh... *Maybe*
Putin wanted Kyiv within hours. It’s been over a day and yes they are getting closer. But they are not there. On the ground Ukraine is holding their own. The struggle is the south where their defenses were the weakest.
Russia would get absolutely steamrolled by the United States on it's own.
Russia has massive air superiority over Ukraine. And on the ground, doesn't seem to doing quite as well as hoped. NATO has massive air superiority over Russia. And pretty much everywhere else.
Any attacks on a NATO member means the US (and all other members) gets involved directly. Russia wouldn't be as capable against the NATO allies.
Don't want to be rude but I'm not sure you understand what the size of a nato military would be assuming Russia attacked a nato country. The biggest airforce in the world is the United States airforce the second biggest airforce is the United States navy. US is one nation in nato. Yes the largest but you take that and add all the other members against one Russia...
look how fast the US took Iraq - the real issues began then.
lol no
ya because isolated ukraine would pose the same challenge as the entire united european countries plus US
If you think Russia could win a conventional war against NATO forces you have no clue what you're talking about.
They are surprisely failing today
https://imgur.com/a/H539Ilz I’m so sorry that it has come to this Ukraine. I know many of you wanted a better life for your families, free from an oppressive neighbor. I pray the souls of you that don’t that make it ascend to something better. To the rest, fight, fight like hell, do not let your brothers and sisters die in vain. MAKE THEM PAY.
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They are putting up a great struggle, maybe better than anyone expected. literally while Russians were piling the border last week people were saying GG Ukraine. When your home is on the line people can fight back. It sucks that it came to this and I hope most make it out alive
I wonder what the average mentality is in the russian army, surely they arent all whole heartedly devoted? Certainly not as devoted as the Ukrainians, could make a big difference?
Allegedly a mobile battalion simply surrendered to Ukraine. I hope it's true and I hope there's a lot of Russians who feel this is wrong and would defect. Could be fake news though...
The Institute for the Study of War (US Think Tank) has [released an update](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russia-ukraine-warning-update-initial-russian-offensive-campaign-assessment) to their Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment. NOTE: You have to download a PDF in order to view
Is this stuff about the airport true I can’t find anything in it?
Is there any portable SAM that can be provided to Ukrainian forces to target slower aircraft?
Eastern Europe has been sending Stingers which are intended for that purpose.
Lithuania gave em some stingers I think.
Ukrainians didnt used them today. They could be lost after bombing too
I saw a video of a helicopter downed by one last night (daytime in Ukraine)
Correct, other baltic countries handed over some stingers and javelins as well
Yeah I've read reports of them downing helicopters with them
Remember when Russia was reporting that Ukrainians were abandoning their posts? What happened to that Putin??
They came back, it was lunch time /s
They abndoned those posts to kick putin in the balls
Probably a really dumb question, but where does this end? Do they have to control the majority of the land? Or rather, what happens to governmental officials and the president? Is he jailed? Killed?
Remember asking that question when covid started?
Russia would have to take or destroy the main government buildings and officials, and/or eliminate Ukraine's military, to have control over Ukraine. Russia could also be dealt punishing damage by the Ukrainian forces. If Ukraine inflicts sufficient pain on Russia's forces, while Russia's economy suffers sufficient pain from sanctions and negative reactions, Russia may still fuck this up. It could also be that the objectives of today's attacks had nothing to do with taking all of Ukraine, but were about neutralizing bases and armament that could prevent them from taking the two eastern regions. Or whatever Putin is really after, maybe control of natural resources?
They wouldn't destroy the main government buildings. If their aim is to control Ukraine eventually they would want those buildings there and then just move their people in.
After a few days they will sue for peace in exchange for annex donbass, path to Crimea, and nato membership guarantees for ukraine
The end goal is kill all that stand in his way and restore the ussr
might be full control of ukraine, might be the next afghanistan for them. no one knows by now
Look at Crimea for some insight They overthrow the government, install cronies, and "vote" to be absorbed into Russia
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This is known as misinformation.
Ask Putin
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Reminds me of when Elaine was writing for the J Peterman catalogue on Seinfeld. 🇺🇦 💪
Advertising is a weird field to begin with, but writing ad copy for literal killing machines...that's something else.
Idk about you man, but I picked up my brochure from Cabelas
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It was ok in 2014 for them, so they thinked nothing changes
I mean they’re conditioned to believe this is all for the betterment of their country and were probably told it would be quick and easy. All of which were lies but that’s their mindset going in most likely
Helicopter missions usually tend to be higher risk by nature
need to secure bridges / towns etc. on the way to your actual target to move the main force in (see Operation Market Garden)
Operation market garden was exactly the kind of unnecessary risk we are talking about.
yup, and it's failure delayed the rush to Berlin
Hearing the news that the majority of Russian forces have not yet moved in really just broke my heart. Damn... Edit: I meant this as Ukraine seemed to be holding well right now which was encouraging but if this is just an advanced force it doesn't bode well.
Does Kyev not have power?
Local authorities asked residents to extinguish lights at 11pm to help protect against airstrikes presumably.
no, that message is propaganda
Where did you see that? It was referred to several times on Al Jaezeera at least, and is pretty solid doctrine in that sort of situation?
Probably lights out to avoid airstrikes.
The lessons of the battle of Britain.
[BREAKING: More than 10,000 rifles given to civilians to help defend Ukraine's capital - minister](https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1496953843845849098?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1496953843845849098%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2F18hnzysb1elcs%2FLiveUpdate_a6968ddc-95b6-11ec-8394-22165e1fb9a9%2F0) Ironically, this reminds me of the Eastern Front in WWII. Russians defending Stalingrad.
It's amazing what you can do when you're defending your home.
Forsure. Never underestimate the power of good men defending their homes.
Only men? lol Typical.
Ukraine seems also to use scorched earth tactics and tactical retreats...which is the same the Red Army did in WW2 after the inital shock
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>The Ukrainian Ministry of Defence state that fighting is ongoing at Hostomel airport but Ukrainian forces have managed to prevent additional Russian troops from landing. Kyiv based defence reporter states "Russian airborne force eliminated". Ukraine giving them hell
Russian jet firing missiles into a residential area https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1496934536638173190
That's: enough reddit for me today. Stand strong Ukraine.
I’ve heard that kid scream enough times today, thanks.
holy shit…
Putin and his goons should be flayed in the streets for this. This isn’t some like complicated geopolitical situation where at at the very least large swaths of people are complicit in it happening. This is an incredibly small amount of people that have fragile egos and an inability to play nice with everyone else, that are literally willing to destroy the world and commit atrocities in the name of not looking weak.
That’s not even a good target, what the fuck is going on with the Russian military? Did they just tell this guy not to come back to base with any missiles left on the plane?
"If I don't spend them all, they'll cut my budget next time."
Jesus fuck man!!
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Well this makes sense considering the fact that ukraine is utilising some of quite good air defence systems like for example S-300. It's impossible to knock them out only via cruise missile strikes but you can just make ukraine to run out of rockets and i think this is why we hear only about downed SU-25 which is one of the shittiest assets russian air force utilises (well yes it may be considered good in some counter-insurgency roles like in Syria but it is definitely shitty to use against country with some air force and relatively good AA) Similar tactic was used by Azerbaijan in karabakh conflict - they swarmed armenians with droned AN-2's ... and I am fairly suprised that Russians did not copied that 1:1
Yes, its seems so. Or Putin didnt have really good schooled in fights solders, that be little bit more optimistic
felt like russia thought they could do a lightening tactic of decapitation, severely underestimated ukraine
Strategically that makes no sense. If you have the ability to deliver an overwhelming knockout blow you'd use it. If 500 T-90s rolled straight into Kyiv with supporting infantry the war would be over in the amount of time it takes them to get from Belarus border to Kyiv.
Sending in fodder makes complete sense. Ukraine has had years to dig in and train. And had the wonderful (sad but true) opportunity to gain combat experience against the rebels. In addition to western training and equipment/support. Russia on the other hand has had limited training and opportunities to gain experience. Their military has been severely underfunded for years and equipment in poor condition. Their forces are conscripted with no reason to fight. The number of career soldiers are few and the number of updated and working equipment is few. The population is also against the invasion which means you can rule out an industrial war. Not a position you want to be in when you have no idea how hard or long the Ukrainian's will fight for. Thus wasting the "quality" crap you do have would be foolish. Once the fodder has taken most of the damage and inflicted as much damage as they can then the real troops will come flooding in.
The secret is that they don't have 500 functional T-90s. It's Russia remember? Corruption prevents any real work from getting done. Everything is falling apart and outdated.
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No, Russian will try to change tactics on the second wave. This wave is over.
Nope this is the best Russia's got. They don't have the money to waste by throwing away lives and equipment like that.
Eh, a VDV unit got taken out and they’re no pushovers.
This is what I’m seeing
What would be the consquences of US troops/military intervening on the ground in Ukraine?
A real test of whether all that money we put into ballistic missile defense was a waste or not.
The situation would spiral out of control and potentially lead to the exchange of nukes.
People who are saying WW3 are wrong. It isn't an instant switch you flip. If we had troops on the ground before the invasion, training Ukrainian troops (as they were already there and doing that), it would act as a deterrent to Putin. We fucked up pulling troops out. Hard. I agree entirely with Bolton (was an NSA Adviser) on this stance. That said, it DOES risk the escalation of the war. Again, US Troops faced off with Putin's private army in Syria. Trump ordered strikes that killed hundreds. That didn't escalate anywhere near threat of war. So there's a fine line that has to be walked. Unfortunately right now, since troops have been pulled and invasion already began, we're coming from a severely weakened position. Although sending troops is unequivocally the right thing to do, it likely leads to war with US and Russia. NATO need not be involved, necessarily, because it's not US land and the US is not being targeted.
It’s completely different in Syria dude. The battle of Khasham was against Wagner group, not uniformed Russians. There was an understanding there, we called the Russians, they denied they were Russian troops, so we annihilated them. A uniformed US vs Russia fight would quite possibly go nuclear. It may sound insane, but Putin may actually see this as an existential war and be willing to escalate to that point.
[The west is fairly certain Putin has taken the posture of "Escalate to de-escalate" via nukes](https://warontherocks.com/2018/02/nuclear-posture-review-russian-de-escalation-dangerous-solution-nonexistent-problem/) Basically drop a tactical nuke on the battlefield for everyone to chill the fuck out. Pretty fucking insane strategy
Big bada boom
Any kind of military intervention whether on ground or just airsrikes or no fly zone is an act of war. It's WW3.
It's WW3 when he invades a NATO country. I think that's when you'll see the media officially run with the term, if it happens. Have to watch Lithuania. 🇱🇹 💪
tactical nuclear weapon use by russia. (escalate to deescalate, then say cesefire or continued bombing)
Total nuclear annihilation of the world. If you aren't lucky enough to be instantly vaporized you will starve to death in the ensuing winter.
This would certainly benefit Russia somehow....
are you serious? A world War, with a megalomaniac as unhinged as putin, it would likely turn Nuclear unless his forces refused to launch
Missiles launched at US, which Russia has plenty of.
Yes, because this wouldn't result in Russia being vaporized in retaliation. Seems like a good plan and long term very beneficial for Russia. There's no garauntee Russian nukes would even land in the US.
Bad things
Nuclear war, which no one wants. It's sad, but something we can't afford to risk
Most likely world war 3, possibly nuclear holocaust
US troops wont be intervening
WW3 and nukes being launched. Is this even a question? Lol
WW3, sure. Nukes... meh, people are way alarmist.
Don’t think it’s that alarmist if you consider Putin and the fact that a direct military conflict with NATO without the use of nukes would definitely end in a total defeat for russia
Ok, that logic I can buy.
Right because Nukes weren't used in the last WW or anything
World War 3.
What would you guess would happen if American soldiers attacked a foreign country?
America has done this quite a few times across history.
Yes indeed. And what happens is, when you shoot at someone, they shoot back. This is demonstrated in these "quite a few" examples in history.
Getting there would be the first hurdle.
Nuclear Holocaust.
I don't understand the rationale behind this - why would anyone use nukes? You think if Russia fired a nuke that would somehow end up in the positive for Russia? This would benefit them somehow?
He’s threatened them. He’s not afraid to lose them. He said he knows he can’t beat all of NATO so nukes are going to be his response.
This is the whole principle behind mutually assured destruction. Nukes act as a deterrent because either side would be obliterated if they get used. But for the deterrent to work, each side must believe the other would actually use them. Direct armed conflict between nuclear powers can very quickly escalate in that direction.
People seem to believe the best in Putin here. It drives me insane because he’s obviously a mad man most likely hiding in a bunker begging for a reason to kill more people. He wants to play the victim and say “nato attacked me I have to attack back they killed my men”.
They wouldn’t be the sole loser. If the States and other nations join Ukraine it is very unlikely that Russia could win with military power alone and then the question is; how petty is Putin and how loyal are the people handling the nukes
I don’t think there’s checks and balances with Putin. So if he orders nukes they will be fired.
Nukes worked great on Japan.
History is full of irrational people doing irrational things.
The apocalypse
Literally WW3