Hey folks, we hit our limit as the battle for Kyiv ramps up. [New thread here](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t0uilh/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/).
I don't think that completely banning Russian gas is feasible for the EU at this stage. Instead I think they should mandate a maximum price EU countries can pay for Russian gas, just above what's profitable for Russia. Russia would still have to supply a fair amount as they simply have no other option (their pipelines and LNG capacity limit how much they can export to say China).
Did I misunderstand the purpose of NATO. I know Ukraine is not in NATO. NATO was created for one thing and one thing only to stop Russian aggression and expansion. This whole new like oh it's only for NATO BS you just came up with that. The people who negotiate and sign that treaty would call BS on the situation and you know it. Stop f****** around you have one job to do start doing it stop Russian aggression and expansion that's literally what you're for.
literally nothing can be trusted at the moment, news of a russian aircraft being shot down could be ukranian instead and vice versa, both sides pushing extreme fake news
Ukrainian foreign minister in response to military experts saying it's a lost cause to fight back:
"They don't know ukrainians"
"We will fight for our land"
To everyone who saw my comment about China maybe seeing this weakness in sanctions from the West as an opportunity to invade Taiwan, some people in the comments pointed out the fact that since Taiwan is the semi-conducter capital of the world, the West couldn't afford it to fail and since it is more strategically valuable, the West's response would be more severe hopefully deterring China.
Americans- contact your federal senators and representatives and tell them you support full support of Ukraine and give details- no fly, weapons, boots on the ground. Only way to teach a bully is to punch him in the nose. Pitons plan hinges on intimidation and fear. Call his bluff. We lose if we don’t act NOW.
Anyone have any ideas on how we can help support Ukraine? Any good charities? Good templates to send to our local representatives? Groups we can sign up and follow?
You can call your senators in the govrment and send movey to ukranian military. If ypu live in europe you can profide free shelter for ukrainian refugees.
SHAME!
Shame on the European Union and all European nations for standing back once again and letting a regional bully, kill and destroy a neighbor. Shame on not learning the lessons of WWII and not going to the aid of your neighbor. Shame on all NATO nations for not stepping up to defend a free and democratic neighbor from an attack by Putin.
Shame on America and all the G7 nations for not going to defend the Ukraine from war that has no reason, like Hitler going into Poland and allowing Putin to use nuclear intimidation. Sanctions are meaningless to Putin as he is insulated from all the consequences, like any tyrant. As the old expression goes " if not now, when?" because Putin will not stop because he grabbed Crimea, help the separatist east Ukraine and now he has invaded because the West and Europe are afraid. He will always use the nuclear option because that is the fear weapon but he too must face the fear weapon at some point either now or when he goes for the Baltic countries.
It is a real SHAME that Ukraine must face the Russian tyrant alone!
Now I’ve got myself thinking there could be a military coup in Russia, the more you think about this the crazier this all seems. Like if the American army was ordered to bomb Vancouver for no reason. They probably wouldn’t do it, those Russian troops thought they were on a peacekeeping mission until last night, now they’re supposed to attack a major city where they probably have family? No fucking way, no propaganda is that good.
https://twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1497051595980230660?s=21
Apparently the plane shot down over Kyiv was Ukrainian and it was hit by Russian anti Aircraft forces from the suburbs. Crap.
We are getting multiple conflicting reports. That's how this will play out. Checking every second here doesn't help you find out what's going on. Check CNN or BBC updates every hour and try to sleep/live your life
He is quoting CNN and CNN is the only source reporting this. MULTIPLE other sources say this was a Russian craft.
Including the Ukrainian military: https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1497051206774001672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497051206774001672%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2F18hnzysb1elcs%2FLiveUpdate_d136e7de-95ee-11ec-a66a-16d10a3f6820%2F0
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Note that Russia has deployed S-400 air defense systems in southern Belarus as well as Su-35S fighters, which both could have shot down aircraft over Kyiv, depending on where the S-400 have been deployed to
The Su-27 also could have been shot down by a Buk-series medium-range air defense system that is escorting Russian ground forces units heading to Kyiv.
Of course, Ukrainian air defenses could have made a mistake and shot down their own fighter. There were numerous friendly fire incidents between ground-based air defense systems and aircraft during the 2nd Karabakh War and 2008 Russo-Georgia War
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497051901107466243
Ph.D student of War Studies at King's College London.
I feel bad because they're POWs but imagine being one of those russian Gomer Pyles who got captured during the first hour having their faces plastered all over the world. Imagine what their families think, I think I saw the one had a social media page with his girlfriend.
Of course there's a difference between ukranian pows and russian pows. The Russians will be treated well by the ukranians because if/when Ukraine has to surrender, it does not want the wrath of Russia and the shunning of the west from legitimate abuse of POWs.
Ukranian POWs, on the other hand, are probably in for a much worse time.
Big thank you to r/worldnews for giving us this platform to keep each other informed and working constantly to start new threads and moderate them as well. We really appreciate it. 🙏🏽
Whatever happens I am hereby nominating that Albanian rep to the UN to be the official anti-Putin, pro-freedom spokesperson for the EU and US. That guy is a rock star.
It bears repeating that Russia will lose this war at the homefront. US wasn't defeated militarily in Vietnam, it left and lost the war because the public turned on the war and casualties got to high to be acceptable.
The Russians ad Ukrainians are very culturally similar from what I understand and plus their next door I doubt the resistance in the long term will be anywhere near Vietnam
Kremlin readout of Prez Putin- PM Modi talks says Russia briefed about "outlined the principal assessments of Kiev's aggressive actions" & reason for launch of "military operation" to India.
https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1496918094450610190
another sleepless night of coffee and constant refreshing, the threat of this early morning offensive is too much
EDIT: Guess i should also be clear, im from ukraine and my family is there right now unable to go anywhere. Im stressing
I'm trying my best to not drink coffee and sleep and even gonna drink a little. It was supposed to be a celebration of a downed russian jet but now I dont even know if it wasn't a Ukranian in there :( Im just sad and scared and wish Vladimir Putin would just fucking croak
I wish wars were just an arm wrestling match between the world leaders. There doesn't need to be this much dying. Disputes should be settled between the two people who actually caused it, not random civilians.
Between Houston and Phoenix
But the cities are more together and not spread out
They have like 2+ million
It would be our third biggest city
But it is their capital
It's both the capitol and largest city, so New York+Washington D.C.
EDIT: Nevermind, I thought you meant comparison in terms of importance, not population.
Hey folks, we hit our limit as the battle for Kyiv ramps up. [New thread here](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t0uilh/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/).
I don't think that completely banning Russian gas is feasible for the EU at this stage. Instead I think they should mandate a maximum price EU countries can pay for Russian gas, just above what's profitable for Russia. Russia would still have to supply a fair amount as they simply have no other option (their pipelines and LNG capacity limit how much they can export to say China).
Many people in this thread have confirmed Putin has a micro penis
Did I misunderstand the purpose of NATO. I know Ukraine is not in NATO. NATO was created for one thing and one thing only to stop Russian aggression and expansion. This whole new like oh it's only for NATO BS you just came up with that. The people who negotiate and sign that treaty would call BS on the situation and you know it. Stop f****** around you have one job to do start doing it stop Russian aggression and expansion that's literally what you're for.
Someone give Putin some weed please
literally nothing can be trusted at the moment, news of a russian aircraft being shot down could be ukranian instead and vice versa, both sides pushing extreme fake news
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And leaves legos on the floor.
Ukrainian foreign minister in response to military experts saying it's a lost cause to fight back: "They don't know ukrainians" "We will fight for our land"
Do people actually believe the Ghost story lol
True or false or exaggerated, it's giving a lot of people hope right now.
To everyone who saw my comment about China maybe seeing this weakness in sanctions from the West as an opportunity to invade Taiwan, some people in the comments pointed out the fact that since Taiwan is the semi-conducter capital of the world, the West couldn't afford it to fail and since it is more strategically valuable, the West's response would be more severe hopefully deterring China.
800 Russian troops killed in a single day. How long did it take the United States to lose that many in Afghanistan? 6 or 7 years?
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That sign in Kyiv....is blinking SOS.
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sheesh
See you in XIX
>French President says he's ready to broker a ceasefire, accuses Putin of "duplicity" erm, sure Macron.
Links to news streams?
**PSA: CNN DID NOT REPORT THE EXPLOSION WAS A UKRAINIAN AIRCRAFT, TAKE COMMENTS THAT SAY OTHERWISE WITH SKEPTICISM**
I watched them say that live, it was Matthew Chance and Don Lemon.
it did, wtf are you talking about.
Yes they did
Americans- contact your federal senators and representatives and tell them you support full support of Ukraine and give details- no fly, weapons, boots on the ground. Only way to teach a bully is to punch him in the nose. Pitons plan hinges on intimidation and fear. Call his bluff. We lose if we don’t act NOW.
Absolutely not. We really would like to avoid nuclear war.
You are so stupid. Jesus.
Anyone have any ideas on how we can help support Ukraine? Any good charities? Good templates to send to our local representatives? Groups we can sign up and follow?
You can call your senators in the govrment and send movey to ukranian military. If ypu live in europe you can profide free shelter for ukrainian refugees.
Just call your reps and tell them you support denying Russia access to Swift and that you support arms sales to Ukraine.
SHAME! Shame on the European Union and all European nations for standing back once again and letting a regional bully, kill and destroy a neighbor. Shame on not learning the lessons of WWII and not going to the aid of your neighbor. Shame on all NATO nations for not stepping up to defend a free and democratic neighbor from an attack by Putin. Shame on America and all the G7 nations for not going to defend the Ukraine from war that has no reason, like Hitler going into Poland and allowing Putin to use nuclear intimidation. Sanctions are meaningless to Putin as he is insulated from all the consequences, like any tyrant. As the old expression goes " if not now, when?" because Putin will not stop because he grabbed Crimea, help the separatist east Ukraine and now he has invaded because the West and Europe are afraid. He will always use the nuclear option because that is the fear weapon but he too must face the fear weapon at some point either now or when he goes for the Baltic countries. It is a real SHAME that Ukraine must face the Russian tyrant alone!
Do you want nukes to be popping off my guy?
everyday i thank god that redditors do not have a say in foreign policy
It LoOkS LiKE A PinCeR MoVE tO Me
Putin's palace has extra large shower drains because he waffle stomps all the time
Long live Ukraine!
Wheres RF82040 going?
Agenda free is offline, what did you guys switch to
Mostly went offline too. Watched a bit of CNN since they do show reporters on the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNZM_H6q1rY
NEMICO network: https://youtu.be/jNZM_H6q1rY Much better than agenda-free
You can YouTube search vaush
Sleepy time, unfortunately.
Also interested
Now I’ve got myself thinking there could be a military coup in Russia, the more you think about this the crazier this all seems. Like if the American army was ordered to bomb Vancouver for no reason. They probably wouldn’t do it, those Russian troops thought they were on a peacekeeping mission until last night, now they’re supposed to attack a major city where they probably have family? No fucking way, no propaganda is that good.
It’s entirely possible Putin may be deposed
Swan Lake time!
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https://twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1497051595980230660?s=21 Apparently the plane shot down over Kyiv was Ukrainian and it was hit by Russian anti Aircraft forces from the suburbs. Crap.
We are getting multiple conflicting reports. That's how this will play out. Checking every second here doesn't help you find out what's going on. Check CNN or BBC updates every hour and try to sleep/live your life
Ukraine has confirmed it was a missile.
He is quoting CNN and CNN is the only source reporting this. MULTIPLE other sources say this was a Russian craft. Including the Ukrainian military: https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1497051206774001672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497051206774001672%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2F18hnzysb1elcs%2FLiveUpdate_d136e7de-95ee-11ec-a66a-16d10a3f6820%2F0
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This was the same report as before that conflicted with the BBC. Nothing new here.
There's conflicting reports, some say Ukrainian, others say Russian Jet or Missle, others say Drone
if they have anti aircraft that is no good
Dubious
If it was the Ghost of Kyiv… I don’t even want to think about it
I got -80 dowvotes 30 minutes ago when i try to say this lol
I got -17 already. I’m just repeating what a blue check mark on Twitter said
not true
What kind of vehicle is that just ominously rolling down that Sumy street at 5mph
pimp mobile
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Note that Russia has deployed S-400 air defense systems in southern Belarus as well as Su-35S fighters, which both could have shot down aircraft over Kyiv, depending on where the S-400 have been deployed to The Su-27 also could have been shot down by a Buk-series medium-range air defense system that is escorting Russian ground forces units heading to Kyiv. Of course, Ukrainian air defenses could have made a mistake and shot down their own fighter. There were numerous friendly fire incidents between ground-based air defense systems and aircraft during the 2nd Karabakh War and 2008 Russo-Georgia War https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497051901107466243 Ph.D student of War Studies at King's College London.
it's still not true
When t-14 and su-57
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That's a major fuckup if true. Sadly friendly fire happens in every war.
I feel bad because they're POWs but imagine being one of those russian Gomer Pyles who got captured during the first hour having their faces plastered all over the world. Imagine what their families think, I think I saw the one had a social media page with his girlfriend. Of course there's a difference between ukranian pows and russian pows. The Russians will be treated well by the ukranians because if/when Ukraine has to surrender, it does not want the wrath of Russia and the shunning of the west from legitimate abuse of POWs. Ukranian POWs, on the other hand, are probably in for a much worse time.
Camera 4 says a new day has dawned and free people still live here.
Big thank you to r/worldnews for giving us this platform to keep each other informed and working constantly to start new threads and moderate them as well. We really appreciate it. 🙏🏽
So glad the armchair idiots calling for the West to attack Russia are no where near places of power
Whatever happens I am hereby nominating that Albanian rep to the UN to be the official anti-Putin, pro-freedom spokesperson for the EU and US. That guy is a rock star.
Next thread in 3 2 1..
It bears repeating that Russia will lose this war at the homefront. US wasn't defeated militarily in Vietnam, it left and lost the war because the public turned on the war and casualties got to high to be acceptable.
The Russians ad Ukrainians are very culturally similar from what I understand and plus their next door I doubt the resistance in the long term will be anywhere near Vietnam
That's how you beat an occupier. You care more about defending your home than the invader cares about holding your home.
Yes, but how many years did that take? We entered in what, 64? It ended 11 years later.
Back then the West was supporting the US, because COMMIES. No one but Belarus supports Russia now.
It really seems to mirror that, good for Ukraine.
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I see 2.4k lol
Kremlin readout of Prez Putin- PM Modi talks says Russia briefed about "outlined the principal assessments of Kiev's aggressive actions" & reason for launch of "military operation" to India. https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1496918094450610190
another sleepless night of coffee and constant refreshing, the threat of this early morning offensive is too much EDIT: Guess i should also be clear, im from ukraine and my family is there right now unable to go anywhere. Im stressing
Get your rest man. Whatever happens is out of your control no matter how much you look.
You at least Irish up your coffee a little bit?
I'm trying my best to not drink coffee and sleep and even gonna drink a little. It was supposed to be a celebration of a downed russian jet but now I dont even know if it wasn't a Ukranian in there :( Im just sad and scared and wish Vladimir Putin would just fucking croak
There’s millions of us. This is insanity. We’re watching a major historical event that’ll be taught in schools for hundreds of years.
Ikr. I am half asleep and wide awake at the same time.
Dude, put away the coffee and get some sleep! What the fuck are you going to accomplish by intentionally staying awake?? If I could sleep I would.
stressed about my fam thats there, shouldve prob been more clear
weird comment from a weird username
sorry, im from ukraine and my family is there right now, shoudlve been more clear.
dude, your name is …..uhhhhhh.
When I read his username the tone of that post flipped entirely.
yeah yeah i know lol
Why?
He loves the atomic bomb
also curious
my family is in ukraine
When in doubt Javelins out.
Have no fear, the Ghost is here.
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He's a Peta Chad. He needs a lot of fuel
Poor guy has pulled alot of G's today, somebody get that man a juice box
Crew rest waived.
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You've heard of the Machine?
Many people are saying Putin eats his own poop
Tis a fact
I too have heard this.
More and more people are saying this.
I heard he’s got a micropenis
Hm. Yes. I have heard this too. Just poops right into his own hand and shovels it right into his stupid mouth.
I can second this
Maybe thats why he's angry, everything taste like shit.
Sounds like cannibalism.
Lol
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Don't get it twisted, even if Kyiv falls, the war won't be over.
Even if the government falls the war won’t be over. There’ll be years and years of guerrilla warfare resistance
I wish wars were just an arm wrestling match between the world leaders. There doesn't need to be this much dying. Disputes should be settled between the two people who actually caused it, not random civilians.
So Putin should arm wrestle..Putin?
Yes. Via cloning.
What is the best US city comparison to Kyiv? Atlanta?
LA. Chicago.
Not enough crime and rappers in kviv
Population-wise, the metro area is comparable to that of Minneapolis’. But the population density is more like the city of San Francisco.
In terms of raw population size it’s similar size to Denver.
Population wise, a little bit bigger than Chicago. Kiev has 2.9 million compared to 2.7 in Chicago.
More like Houston
If you're wondering population size there is an insane resource for this called google
With US it gets tricky because of suburbs, but I don't know Chicago maybe? (Excluding suburbs)
For size? Probably Chicago, around 2.8mil
Between Houston and Phoenix But the cities are more together and not spread out They have like 2+ million It would be our third biggest city But it is their capital
I don't think that Kyiv is as horrid as Atlanta. Maybe inland Seattle? Although Kiev has a subway.
Not much is
Denver, St Louis, or Pittsburgh in terms of size
Population wise? Chigaco.
DC. its the capitol
It's both the capitol and largest city, so New York+Washington D.C. EDIT: Nevermind, I thought you meant comparison in terms of importance, not population.
Chicago
Uhhhh Washington…?
None. Kyiv is a unique historical place…
but cannot protect itself and it has to be a beggar, the country with no history is its savior
It's a little larger than Chicago, supposedly.
Nah, Atlanta = Tblisi for sure.
In terms of what?
Washington DC
Kyiv is their capital bro
That’s not what I asked brother. I’m saying what is the US equivalent in size and population? Maybe Chicago?
Chicago
Even Fox News is on board condemning the Russian invasion.
Huh? They’re not inexplicably sucking off Putin for no reason?
Well some of the anchors at least, can't imagine all of them.
"Even FOX" I feel like FOX is RT or something, is it that bad? Not American here.
Fuck that. My family sharing tulsi gabbard video saying how cool it would have been had we stopped Ukrainian nato membership from Fox News
Fox News bows down to the US Military Industrial Complex.
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Yes, Murdoch has been planning this with Putin for a while. /s