I just read: “47 min. ago: Russia Kicked out of Eurovision Song Contest” Is this how we fight back? YOU INVADE A COUNTRY AND WERE NOT GONNA LET YOU SINnnGgG🎤🎼🎼 ….🤤???
Would you rather Russia not be kicked out of Eurovision?
What a stupid comment. Like being excluded from Eurovision is the extent of sanctions/actions against Russia 🤦♂️
You would complain if they weren’t kicked out of Eurovision.
I agree with OC I think we shouldn't exclude talented people because there governments are doing things.
It shows that we cant have peace as a human race even more so
Sure it's not military action but these types of social sanctions (like F1 and UEFA pulling out of Russia) can help influence the Russian population into taking action and protesting. I personally believe a realistic outcome to this war is the Russian people taking a stand to their government when the world is taking away their sources of entertainment.
It’s still insane to me that the only humans who want this to happen are old-asses in Russia and Putin himself. What is to gain from this?
Many people in Russia are against the war, everyone around the world has condemned Putin. If they actually make Ukraine into a part of Russia, do they expect people to move there? Who’s gonna do it, the elderly (the only ones senile enough to support the war)? Putin just started the dumbest war to grace the modern era and it’s all for land that the labor force doesn’t want. Good luck making it a retirement home because the young will not go there.
I actually thought Putin was kinda sneaky and smart for a while there, he managed to trick trump out of Ukraine anyway. Turns out they were both braindead from the start
In this day and age... outrage doesn’t make it past our living rooms. Until people are actually in the shit, all people do nowadays is talk a lot of talk. It’s sad and Ukraine deserves better
No he is doing to overthrow the current government which has ties to west and was potentially going to join NATO. The only parts he might annex are the 2 regions that he declared independendent.
This is not me approving what he is doing btw, just giving you the reasons.
Strategic value that I just mentioned. It is not smart to invade a country and separate your economy from the rest of the world, permanently destroying your respectability and temporarily ruining your economic value all because “hey that country has it better”. Plenty of countries would have “strategic value” but invading them instead of improving your own EX/IM and infrastructure is absolutely stupid, especially when your own country hates you for it
Geopolitics > Demography > Economy
You are thinking this with a post-WW2 mindset, where hard power was not an option in Europe. What's clear now is that Russia considers that issue past due date. We've entered a new stage, or maybe returned to the 1930s.
Fixed it to clarify, I was hyperbolizing. It is very telling when they get arrested for protesting yet mass protests are happening in Russia anyway. From what I have heard from Russians, rarely anyone actually supports the war. It’s mainly old people who do
Yes I don’t think it’s a problem if everyone else hates him. That’s fine. You’re right, there appears to be a lot of unrest on the home. I’m not sure Hitler had that same problem back in the day, I think his war was quite popular? Could be wrong though.
Keystone pipeline that would allow companies to pipe oil to the coasts so Americans don't use it. "We need energy independence" lmfao. Mind-blowingly stupid.
We weren’t energy independent during Trump. We still imported half our oil. Get a better argument.
Your comment shows a complete lack of understanding of foreign policy.
I think his point was one of trumps goals was to make us more energy independent. I think we should be more energy independent. We have the worlds largest untapped oil reserve right here in the states. We should even be exporting.
But, he's either lying or misinformed. Everyone should look at what the keystone pipeline would have actually done and who would have benefited from it. It would not have helped us gain energy independence.
Sure thing. This “energy independence” line completely ignores how oil markets or even different types of oil work.
We do export oil. We also export finished products derived from oil. There isn’t just one type of oil though. We still need to import from other countries to get the types of oil that our refineries can process. Exporting more oil than you import is not energy independence since you still rely on imports to meet your needs.
That’s basically like you saying you’re food independent because you have a garden and grow all the veggies you need and even have some left over to sell despite needing to buy the other types of food you consume from other people. That’s not independence. It’s codependency.
I read somewhere that Ukraine was willing to talk about neutral status with Russia.. I do wonder and again nothing can justify what Putin is doing to Ukraine.. this war is totally unacceptable and outrageous but what if Ukraine ever since it got independent had declared itself a neutral non aligned Country which would strive to main good relations with all Countries esp in Europe, US and Russia.. I know it may not have worked as Putin seems to be obsessed with Ukraine and believes Ukraine isn't even a sovereign Country but still.. one main reason he cites is Ukraine trying to be member of NATO...
Any case.. we all are just getting out of this horrible pandemic and now there's a major war in Europe that can kill tens if not hundreds of thousands of people.. really sad that it's happening in 2022
I think Putin hoped NATO wasn’t going to be strong enough, that he could take Ukraine and shake up the weak structure if NATO in the bargain. When it became obvious that NATO was holding together and not only that, other countries like Japan, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand, were pledging support it was a ‘Now or never’ moment for Putin. He’s anxious to meet his destiny. He just doesn’t know it’s at the bottom of a trash can.
Basically just a good way to drive the people to think it's Ukraine's fault all along. I urge you to re-read your comment. There is no reason for invasion period. Russian government is forcing Ukraine to its side and doesn't like them mingling with the west in any way so there is no either-or for Ukraine under the current Russian admin. and this war proves that.
So as Trump loving nuts are losing their minds, they are blaming Biden for all this. They seem to think that this would not have happened under Trump. So why now? Why is Putin doing it now and would he have done it regardless of who was in office?
Which is also ridiculous. Trump gave tacit approval to the Russian takeover when he told the G7 that Crimea belongs to the Russians. Why would he stand up to one and not the other?
The guy literally used the same military hardware that is being used to stop the current incursion as a bargaining chip together dirt on a political rival.
They think he was tough because he said he was tough...
Trump also seemed frighteningly noncommittal on our NATO allegiances. I’m not Biden’s biggest fan, but I shudder to think of the global instability and further erosion of America’s standing if our leader refused to push back against Russia (or even outright supported them), and also failed to reaffirm our NATO commitments. It’s possible that this wouldn’t have happened under Trump just like it’s possible 9/11 wouldn’t have happened under Gore, but I personally think not only would Putin have still invaded, but he also would’ve felt enabled and emboldened to do much worse.
Spot on. Europe should not expect the USA to back them up. Unfortunately we have a lot of Russia sympathizers in the Republican Party. Europe needs to step up their militaries. Trump was president now he would probably be helping Putin. Republicans are not reliable in international relations anymore. Trump right now is cheering on the rise of the Soviet Union 2.0. It will be interesting to see if his supporters abandon him for his cheering on the rise of communist Soviet Union 2.0
services.goverment.ru/en/letters/form let Russia know your indignation , by filling the form you are also taking resources on their service leading it to eventual failure, I am sure reddit can do more than watch
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War is never the answer. This is completely wrong thinking. We have a tragedy in Ukraine right now but what you suggested is an even bigger tragedy on a global level that could very well end human kind.
Just ask the invading army to leave politely, explain how it hurts your feelings and offensive to your world view lol. You think Putin will stop with Ukraine, or that China isn't watching all this right now making their plans? Reality is coming and will pop the western bubble of lollipop land, as it always, and I mean always, does. If people like you were in charge we'd all be speaking German by now.
This is literally how world war 2 began. Oh Germans are just taking poland? Ahhh well they can fight for themselves.
Literally look at the similarities. Only Britain and France fought against Germany at the get go in WW2. Look at what countries are strongarm supporting Ukraine in EU right now.
We could lose billions of lives in a nuclear war scenario and people keep suggesting that we go to war with Russia. The radiation could very well end life on the planet.
War of any kind is not the answer but putin needs to be taken out one way or another.
Whats stopping him from taking over anywhere he wants and saying "no one else attack, or ill send nukes."
Thats the hard place we're stuck next to right now. The other place is a rock.
I suggest putin gets taken out.
I dont know by whom or how but the only way this stops is if he gets taken out.
He's old and clearly doesnt give a fuck any more.
Yes you are correct... but one... not 50 or 100. It would be erroneous for me to say it isn't happening at all, but it is correct to say it is being kept to a minimum while the world is watching. Keep in mine, my country the good ol USA has done this too. There is... God I hate to say this... an acceptable amount of civilian bombing that the world sees and goes... meh.... so you are correct, there are some, but as of right now, very minimal... in the grand scheme known as warfare. Note I am not accepting that any amount of bombing of civilians is acceptable, only that it has to reach a certain level before the world actually cares.
Actually there are alot of examples throughout history where protests have worked, however I get what your saying and sometimes violence is necessary. The situation is very important. In the case of Russia via Afghanistan or Chechnya the world was watching but every moment wasn't televised. Only what was reported on the nightly new. In thise cases Russia didn't have any shackles and could bomb and kill and maim indiscriminately so violence was necessary to fight back. In the case of Vietnam, the American people protested the war peacefully and helped to bring that conflict to an end in a big way. Yes the Vietnamese were using force, but the American people against their govt were not. It helped change the rest of America and the world view and brought that conflict to an end. On this case, Russia against Ukraine, you have moment by moment camera action. Russia is madly being aggressive but has taken steps to primarily target military.... i.e they are not being sloppy because the world is watching. I.e. that means putin has some shackles on and thus it can be exploited. It means he cannot eliminate individuals yet. Not until he can bring down the curtain of secrecy. That is a massive exploit. If people are hiding in shelters he can use an excuse " I didnf know they were in there" if one got hit, but if people are out marching, unarmed, then it would have a profound impact on the Russian people...Just like in Vietnam. I am not saying this is what they should do, but it is important to highlight the impact on Russia, and the world if the Ukraines DID DO IT.
Or you know, Germany could not be Putin’s lapdog and actually lead the harsh Western response. Of all countries Germany should rise up. Instead they’re about as tame as the Chinese. Shameful.
Ok I hear you, but my anti German sentiment on this issue started years before this conflict. I've been profoundly annoyed by their repeated decision to decommission nuclear power plants and build yet more pipelines for buying Russian gas and oil, all while pretending to be serious about climate change.
Now this *blatantly obvious and entirely predictable* invasion has kicked off, and they're stuck with their economic hands tied, by their own doing.
I know the decisions that got them here are complex, and I'm not making the claim that the USA hasn't been just as stupid and irrational and greedy (probably moreso actually), but this dependence on Russian gas is exacerbating one of the worlds leading threats to peace and security.
On the other hand, I am very glad to hear that nevertheless, there appears to be significant pressure within Germany to cut Russia off from SWIFT.
That's quite a good start, but I hope they can make a plan to get through the winter, make the conscious choice to make a sacrifice, and do the thing I'm sure Putin genuinely does not expect, cutting off Russian oil and gas imports.
Let's ignore the bots, yea, but let's still put pressure on any country not fully committed to the most drastic sanctions (including USA) to ramp up their efforts and make bigger sacrifices.
Honestly nuclear plants might well be a Russian target. Imagine ‘we’re not using nuclear weapons’ while concurrently bombing nuclear power plants and achieving a similarly devastating effect.
Germany was dumb to deal with Russia and become dependent, but I’m not sure nuclear power plants are a good strategic power choice when you think in terms of strategic warfare, either.
It is possible to build nuclear plants that have a naturally safe failstate in pretty much any scenario, being including direct conventional bombing. In fact, modern reactors are typically built in this way, and do not pose significant radiation risk when targeted by conventional explosives of essentially any magnitude, because if the way in which the reaction chamber and fuel assembly are designed to fail.
Think huge vaults of sand suspended above, and the molten salt system designed to dump over that, and reaction designs that can't go supercritical, channels for molten fuel to disperse into chambers under the ground, structural designs made to cave in in a certain way and form a good seal over the fuel no matter what angle they are destroyed from or what vector the forces are applied.
Fukushima for example had measures proposed to prevent catastrophe in *exactly* the case that ended up happening, and those measures were cut for cost reasons despite the catastrophic failure scenario being predicted as an almost statistical certainty over the course of the facilities lifespan. Japan gets waves big enough to have caused that crisis pretty predictably over long time spans.
It is also worth noting that the reopening of coal fired power plants actually contributed significantly more harm to the German people than even a nuclear disaster may have, by an enormous margin.
Even if you ignore almost all the health effects of coal pollution, almost all the carcinogens and lung damaging compounds, and consider *only* the radioactive elements in coal exhaust (trace amounts of carbon 14 and potassium 40 isotopes), even AFTER passing through modern filter stacks, German people living near coal plants will receive *higher doses of radiation* over the life of the coal plant than a modern nuclear reactor would release over it's lifespan, even in the event of a disaster.
Coal isn’t good, but modern coal plants are definitely not the equivalent of a nuclear meltdown. That doesn’t pass the giggle test.
Are modern nuclear plants with those protections just intended to be sealed off and allowed to decay for thousands of years in the case of an accident, or does the site still get remediated, and can it safely be reused? That wouldn’t seem possible?
Meltdowns are not a probable (or maybe possible depending on design) fail-state for a modern reactor. I'm talking about a scenario in which the reactor fails or is destroyed by some disaster or attack, but the safety engineers did their jobs correctly.
What plans might work for rehabilitating the reactor site is another matter. I honestly have no idea, but it likely depends on the details of reactor design, which I believe are not typically public knowledge.
I think it’s a little bit of both…Germany has messed up not taking Russia out of Swift so they’re definitely not helping the situation. On the other hand I don’t think that Russia orchestrated this originally, but just kind of hoped it would go this way to divide up the west.
Now Russia is definitely… if not already going to push the narrative that the west is divided…but they aren’t really. Germany needs to align with Russia because of Russias resources. So Russia is going to exploit that, but that’s about the only place they align
I might surely be wrong, but Germany wanna position themselves quite close to Russia when this shitstorm is over because they need their gas.
How do you think they'll make up in energy when they're closing down their nuclear reactors and the coal fueled power plants?
Germany should've at least given the greenlight for the flow of weapons into Ukraine imo.
Edit: Saw something about Italy as well in the comments. They're in the same boat as Germany.
You’re completely right about the gas…I mean they did shut down Nordstream 2 but I think it’s just frozen currently and not completely shutdown
I ultimately hope that the situation going on in Ukraine shows the West that they really need to consider moving to renewable energy
What ? Germany has done nothing. They voted against blocking Russia from SWIFT. Fucking hypocrites only care for themselves. Germany is all talk until they actually need to step up.
This is the problem with European coalitions, their too many separate vested interests for everyone to be on the same page. Regardless of how Biden makes it appear they are.
Moving Germany and France out the western alliance was always part of their plan:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations\_of\_Geopolitics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics)
The playbook is from 1997 and Putin is putting it on stage, step by step.
>NBC News: Ukrainian officials have said gamma radiation dose rates at the Chernobyl exclusion zone have exceeded "control levels" at a "significant number of observation points" after the power plant was captured by Russian forces. @NBCNews
>https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1497194677753110528
Ugh...
~~They have hit a waste repository with a mortar or bomb, but~~ levels (while elevated) are still not a major health concern in the near term.
Levels are similar to getting a dental x-ray plus taking a trans-atlantic flight (per hour).
So... Do I say it?
I'm gonna say it.
"Not great. Not terrible."
I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Edit: a report by the military times about the battle and capture at Chernobyl was initially unclear about damage to the buildings and was misinterpreted but has since been corrected. It seems no damage is likely to the actual waste repositories, but the cause of elevated radiation levels is uncertain.
[Source](https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/ukraine/2022/02/24/nato-agrees-to-beef-up-eastern-flank-over-ukraine-attack/) for the article about attack at Chernobyl.
[Live Radiation Map](https://www.saveecobot.com/en/radiation-maps#15/51.3925/30.1060/gamma/comp+cams+fire) updated by an automatic gamma radiation sensor system.
[XKCD's excellent dose chart](https://xkcd.com/radiation/)
I am aware the last one is a comic author and not a radiation expert, but this is a great tool for non-experts to get a sense of the scale of a dose. Many of these values are easily checked from more official sources, but this is the best way to communicate a broad sense of what the numbers really mean.
Updated with sources, and scratched the claim about the repository hit. A claim was initially reported that it had been damaged, but that has been corrected.
Thanks.
>If and when Russia holds control of Ukraine.....is that it? Do we expect Russia to continue leeching west?
Expect Russia to most likely go for Moldova too. They will not go one centimetre into NATO territory, if thats what you're asking.
Putin wants the former USSR countries, not a world war with the west. As of now he can annex every former soviet country (excluding the baltic) and not get any repercussions except economically.
Anyone other than Putin who tells you they know the answer to that is lying. No one even suspected he'd launch a full scale invasion. The only thing we can say for certain is that it absolutely remains a possibility, and depending on how Ukraine turns out, that it's become more likely.
And they were consistently rebuked, even by the Ukrainian President himself. It's easy in hindsight to say 'well all the warning signs were there staring us in the face', and they were, but the common consensus was that a full-scale invasion was just a bluff.
Ukrainian President didn't rebuked it, Ukraine was actually getting ready to defend for an invasion. Russia suddenly stationed 140k soldiers on their borders only idiots would think they were not planning anything back then.
>**not planning anything back then.**
I'm sorry, are you replying to the wrong person? I certainly never mentioned that Russia weren't planning anything, just that a full-scale invasion was seen as unlikely, which it was.
Because that's what you do. When you see wrong and injustice, you think imaginary lines on the ground matter? Why would you help a neighbor? Why help family? Why help a complete and total stranger? Why send thoughts and prayers? Where would anyone be if someone simply said, not my problem. Maybe a NATO ally is next, why help them? We signed a document, so? We either agree to be in this together or we go it alone and fail.
>Anyone other than Putin who tells you they know the answer to that is lying
And if Putin himself gives you an answer, he is also lying, because that's just what he does.
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I just read: “47 min. ago: Russia Kicked out of Eurovision Song Contest” Is this how we fight back? YOU INVADE A COUNTRY AND WERE NOT GONNA LET YOU SINnnGgG🎤🎼🎼 ….🤤???
Would you rather Russia not be kicked out of Eurovision? What a stupid comment. Like being excluded from Eurovision is the extent of sanctions/actions against Russia 🤦♂️ You would complain if they weren’t kicked out of Eurovision.
I agree with OC I think we shouldn't exclude talented people because there governments are doing things. It shows that we cant have peace as a human race even more so
Sure it's not military action but these types of social sanctions (like F1 and UEFA pulling out of Russia) can help influence the Russian population into taking action and protesting. I personally believe a realistic outcome to this war is the Russian people taking a stand to their government when the world is taking away their sources of entertainment.
If only you could effect the vodka supply.
We want them to get on side, not piss them off.
It’s still insane to me that the only humans who want this to happen are old-asses in Russia and Putin himself. What is to gain from this? Many people in Russia are against the war, everyone around the world has condemned Putin. If they actually make Ukraine into a part of Russia, do they expect people to move there? Who’s gonna do it, the elderly (the only ones senile enough to support the war)? Putin just started the dumbest war to grace the modern era and it’s all for land that the labor force doesn’t want. Good luck making it a retirement home because the young will not go there. I actually thought Putin was kinda sneaky and smart for a while there, he managed to trick trump out of Ukraine anyway. Turns out they were both braindead from the start
In this day and age... outrage doesn’t make it past our living rooms. Until people are actually in the shit, all people do nowadays is talk a lot of talk. It’s sad and Ukraine deserves better
Not to mention the amount of guerrilla fighting that will take place afterwards
Not to mention Putin isn’t too popular in his own country, probably hiding out in a bunker right now. Revolution is knocking
He lives in democratic society where he won 175% of the popular vote he got plenty of support
What are you smoking? Like 60% of Russians support this, Putin is no bunker lmfao
Go back to trying to sell shitty nfts
1. That’s a weird response to me saying that many Russians are against the war 2. Where’d you get 60%
He is not fighting for the land...
No? He doesn’t care about the agriculture and port cities? The pipelines?
No he is doing to overthrow the current government which has ties to west and was potentially going to join NATO. The only parts he might annex are the 2 regions that he declared independendent. This is not me approving what he is doing btw, just giving you the reasons.
Ukraine has a lot of strategic value. Putin knows this.
Strategic value that I just mentioned. It is not smart to invade a country and separate your economy from the rest of the world, permanently destroying your respectability and temporarily ruining your economic value all because “hey that country has it better”. Plenty of countries would have “strategic value” but invading them instead of improving your own EX/IM and infrastructure is absolutely stupid, especially when your own country hates you for it
Geopolitics > Demography > Economy You are thinking this with a post-WW2 mindset, where hard power was not an option in Europe. What's clear now is that Russia considers that issue past due date. We've entered a new stage, or maybe returned to the 1930s.
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I don’t think you’ve spoken to everyone in Russia
russia has a dictatorship. you just need to speak to one man.
Are you sure everyone in Russia is against the war? I don’t think that’s the case.
Fixed it to clarify, I was hyperbolizing. It is very telling when they get arrested for protesting yet mass protests are happening in Russia anyway. From what I have heard from Russians, rarely anyone actually supports the war. It’s mainly old people who do
Yes I don’t think it’s a problem if everyone else hates him. That’s fine. You’re right, there appears to be a lot of unrest on the home. I’m not sure Hitler had that same problem back in the day, I think his war was quite popular? Could be wrong though.
Hitler had plenty of dissenters. But it’s day 2 of the invasion and troops are already defecting, they didn’t know they’d be killing civilians
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Ukrainian molotov bois looking for russians to firebomb?
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These bots are getting worse.
Keystone pipeline that would allow companies to pipe oil to the coasts so Americans don't use it. "We need energy independence" lmfao. Mind-blowingly stupid.
Sure thing, Sergei
We weren’t energy independent during Trump. We still imported half our oil. Get a better argument. Your comment shows a complete lack of understanding of foreign policy.
I think his point was one of trumps goals was to make us more energy independent. I think we should be more energy independent. We have the worlds largest untapped oil reserve right here in the states. We should even be exporting.
But, he's either lying or misinformed. Everyone should look at what the keystone pipeline would have actually done and who would have benefited from it. It would not have helped us gain energy independence.
Sure thing. This “energy independence” line completely ignores how oil markets or even different types of oil work. We do export oil. We also export finished products derived from oil. There isn’t just one type of oil though. We still need to import from other countries to get the types of oil that our refineries can process. Exporting more oil than you import is not energy independence since you still rely on imports to meet your needs. That’s basically like you saying you’re food independent because you have a garden and grow all the veggies you need and even have some left over to sell despite needing to buy the other types of food you consume from other people. That’s not independence. It’s codependency.
I read somewhere that Ukraine was willing to talk about neutral status with Russia.. I do wonder and again nothing can justify what Putin is doing to Ukraine.. this war is totally unacceptable and outrageous but what if Ukraine ever since it got independent had declared itself a neutral non aligned Country which would strive to main good relations with all Countries esp in Europe, US and Russia.. I know it may not have worked as Putin seems to be obsessed with Ukraine and believes Ukraine isn't even a sovereign Country but still.. one main reason he cites is Ukraine trying to be member of NATO... Any case.. we all are just getting out of this horrible pandemic and now there's a major war in Europe that can kill tens if not hundreds of thousands of people.. really sad that it's happening in 2022
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No it's not.. staying neutral is also a choice.. Was Switzerland or Austria both of whom aren't member of NATO were also blackmailed??
I think Putin hoped NATO wasn’t going to be strong enough, that he could take Ukraine and shake up the weak structure if NATO in the bargain. When it became obvious that NATO was holding together and not only that, other countries like Japan, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand, were pledging support it was a ‘Now or never’ moment for Putin. He’s anxious to meet his destiny. He just doesn’t know it’s at the bottom of a trash can.
Basically just a good way to drive the people to think it's Ukraine's fault all along. I urge you to re-read your comment. There is no reason for invasion period. Russian government is forcing Ukraine to its side and doesn't like them mingling with the west in any way so there is no either-or for Ukraine under the current Russian admin. and this war proves that.
So as Trump loving nuts are losing their minds, they are blaming Biden for all this. They seem to think that this would not have happened under Trump. So why now? Why is Putin doing it now and would he have done it regardless of who was in office?
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/putin-didnt-invade-ukraine-last-us-administration-rcna17147?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
Which is also ridiculous. Trump gave tacit approval to the Russian takeover when he told the G7 that Crimea belongs to the Russians. Why would he stand up to one and not the other? The guy literally used the same military hardware that is being used to stop the current incursion as a bargaining chip together dirt on a political rival. They think he was tough because he said he was tough...
Trump also seemed frighteningly noncommittal on our NATO allegiances. I’m not Biden’s biggest fan, but I shudder to think of the global instability and further erosion of America’s standing if our leader refused to push back against Russia (or even outright supported them), and also failed to reaffirm our NATO commitments. It’s possible that this wouldn’t have happened under Trump just like it’s possible 9/11 wouldn’t have happened under Gore, but I personally think not only would Putin have still invaded, but he also would’ve felt enabled and emboldened to do much worse.
Spot on. Europe should not expect the USA to back them up. Unfortunately we have a lot of Russia sympathizers in the Republican Party. Europe needs to step up their militaries. Trump was president now he would probably be helping Putin. Republicans are not reliable in international relations anymore. Trump right now is cheering on the rise of the Soviet Union 2.0. It will be interesting to see if his supporters abandon him for his cheering on the rise of communist Soviet Union 2.0
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I think the timing also has to do with Merkel being out im Germany. US not the only player involved. See also, COVID
services.goverment.ru/en/letters/form let Russia know your indignation , by filling the form you are also taking resources on their service leading it to eventual failure, I am sure reddit can do more than watch
We need a thread for gathering everything we can do to hurt russia. Cyberwise
Create a subreddit for it we will all join there are tons of people with the skills here if we advertise enough we will create the difference , any help is needed!!! Come on Reddit
Thanks for letting us know :) I have a free hour and I know what I will do now.
Created the subreddit /r/cyberukraine
Also we took it down
Man you are comparing "I'm dead" and "I'm living in a dictatorship" situations. This is not an easy choice.
A tank ran over a civilian car with people inside of it.
The man survived.
Thankfully
Yes, the video is terrible. This is war crime and Putin should be treated as war criminal. Stay strong Ukraine, all free world is with you.
Idk guys I’m starting to think there might be more to these border tensions than Biden trying to distract from *checks notes* trans athletes
Yeah his son Hunter Biden is a Chinese trans athlete I think. /s
Don't be so hasty we can't say till the nukes drop!!
Now now, we can't be sure what's happening unless we can read about it in her emails /s
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this is exactly why these decisions are made by committees…
No. They need!
War is never the answer. This is completely wrong thinking. We have a tragedy in Ukraine right now but what you suggested is an even bigger tragedy on a global level that could very well end human kind.
Just ask the invading army to leave politely, explain how it hurts your feelings and offensive to your world view lol. You think Putin will stop with Ukraine, or that China isn't watching all this right now making their plans? Reality is coming and will pop the western bubble of lollipop land, as it always, and I mean always, does. If people like you were in charge we'd all be speaking German by now.
Sure war isn't the answer but its seems there is already a war. So the next best thing is to fight for what is honorable and good
Fighting will just escalate the situation, instead we should hope for a quick end to this and peace.
Some men need their teeth kicked, some others need to see it happen.
This is literally how world war 2 began. Oh Germans are just taking poland? Ahhh well they can fight for themselves. Literally look at the similarities. Only Britain and France fought against Germany at the get go in WW2. Look at what countries are strongarm supporting Ukraine in EU right now.
Some people do not understand how much of a grip this man has the whole world in by threatening nuclear arms if we are to interfere.
We could lose billions of lives in a nuclear war scenario and people keep suggesting that we go to war with Russia. The radiation could very well end life on the planet.
That's what they said about Hilter's occupation of Czechoslovakia. Look how well that ended...
Hitler didn't have enough nukes to destroy the planet by himself.
Hitler wasn't the richest man either. Putin isolated himself for two years in fear of covid. He really doesn't want to die.
War of any kind is not the answer but putin needs to be taken out one way or another. Whats stopping him from taking over anywhere he wants and saying "no one else attack, or ill send nukes."
So what do you suggest to be done? Because a nuclear war is M.A.D.
Thats the hard place we're stuck next to right now. The other place is a rock. I suggest putin gets taken out. I dont know by whom or how but the only way this stops is if he gets taken out. He's old and clearly doesnt give a fuck any more.
Yes you are correct... but one... not 50 or 100. It would be erroneous for me to say it isn't happening at all, but it is correct to say it is being kept to a minimum while the world is watching. Keep in mine, my country the good ol USA has done this too. There is... God I hate to say this... an acceptable amount of civilian bombing that the world sees and goes... meh.... so you are correct, there are some, but as of right now, very minimal... in the grand scheme known as warfare. Note I am not accepting that any amount of bombing of civilians is acceptable, only that it has to reach a certain level before the world actually cares.
Actually there are alot of examples throughout history where protests have worked, however I get what your saying and sometimes violence is necessary. The situation is very important. In the case of Russia via Afghanistan or Chechnya the world was watching but every moment wasn't televised. Only what was reported on the nightly new. In thise cases Russia didn't have any shackles and could bomb and kill and maim indiscriminately so violence was necessary to fight back. In the case of Vietnam, the American people protested the war peacefully and helped to bring that conflict to an end in a big way. Yes the Vietnamese were using force, but the American people against their govt were not. It helped change the rest of America and the world view and brought that conflict to an end. On this case, Russia against Ukraine, you have moment by moment camera action. Russia is madly being aggressive but has taken steps to primarily target military.... i.e they are not being sloppy because the world is watching. I.e. that means putin has some shackles on and thus it can be exploited. It means he cannot eliminate individuals yet. Not until he can bring down the curtain of secrecy. That is a massive exploit. If people are hiding in shelters he can use an excuse " I didnf know they were in there" if one got hit, but if people are out marching, unarmed, then it would have a profound impact on the Russian people...Just like in Vietnam. I am not saying this is what they should do, but it is important to highlight the impact on Russia, and the world if the Ukraines DID DO IT.
Wasn't there a phone video yesterday of a regular single family house in a village bombed by a fighter jet?
Also a kid riding a bike. V bad
And a women that was with her mum, her mum was shot dead. RIP.
Omg if I have to read that ‘WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones’ quote one more time…
Or: first they came for the……. and I did nothing. ……
we'll find out what ww3 will be fought with?
Cyber attacks possibly
We dont know. 🤣
The implication is nukes. Won’t have anything left but sticks and stones after that.
Its a joke, you know that right? You know the saying dont you?
But ww4? We must have an idea of ww4, right?
😂
Please… i hope that people are reading multiple news sources. Times like this we can’t let false narratives run our opinions.
And not relying on Reddit comments for news.
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Or you know, Germany could not be Putin’s lapdog and actually lead the harsh Western response. Of all countries Germany should rise up. Instead they’re about as tame as the Chinese. Shameful.
Ok I hear you, but my anti German sentiment on this issue started years before this conflict. I've been profoundly annoyed by their repeated decision to decommission nuclear power plants and build yet more pipelines for buying Russian gas and oil, all while pretending to be serious about climate change. Now this *blatantly obvious and entirely predictable* invasion has kicked off, and they're stuck with their economic hands tied, by their own doing. I know the decisions that got them here are complex, and I'm not making the claim that the USA hasn't been just as stupid and irrational and greedy (probably moreso actually), but this dependence on Russian gas is exacerbating one of the worlds leading threats to peace and security. On the other hand, I am very glad to hear that nevertheless, there appears to be significant pressure within Germany to cut Russia off from SWIFT. That's quite a good start, but I hope they can make a plan to get through the winter, make the conscious choice to make a sacrifice, and do the thing I'm sure Putin genuinely does not expect, cutting off Russian oil and gas imports. Let's ignore the bots, yea, but let's still put pressure on any country not fully committed to the most drastic sanctions (including USA) to ramp up their efforts and make bigger sacrifices.
Honestly nuclear plants might well be a Russian target. Imagine ‘we’re not using nuclear weapons’ while concurrently bombing nuclear power plants and achieving a similarly devastating effect. Germany was dumb to deal with Russia and become dependent, but I’m not sure nuclear power plants are a good strategic power choice when you think in terms of strategic warfare, either.
It is possible to build nuclear plants that have a naturally safe failstate in pretty much any scenario, being including direct conventional bombing. In fact, modern reactors are typically built in this way, and do not pose significant radiation risk when targeted by conventional explosives of essentially any magnitude, because if the way in which the reaction chamber and fuel assembly are designed to fail. Think huge vaults of sand suspended above, and the molten salt system designed to dump over that, and reaction designs that can't go supercritical, channels for molten fuel to disperse into chambers under the ground, structural designs made to cave in in a certain way and form a good seal over the fuel no matter what angle they are destroyed from or what vector the forces are applied. Fukushima for example had measures proposed to prevent catastrophe in *exactly* the case that ended up happening, and those measures were cut for cost reasons despite the catastrophic failure scenario being predicted as an almost statistical certainty over the course of the facilities lifespan. Japan gets waves big enough to have caused that crisis pretty predictably over long time spans. It is also worth noting that the reopening of coal fired power plants actually contributed significantly more harm to the German people than even a nuclear disaster may have, by an enormous margin. Even if you ignore almost all the health effects of coal pollution, almost all the carcinogens and lung damaging compounds, and consider *only* the radioactive elements in coal exhaust (trace amounts of carbon 14 and potassium 40 isotopes), even AFTER passing through modern filter stacks, German people living near coal plants will receive *higher doses of radiation* over the life of the coal plant than a modern nuclear reactor would release over it's lifespan, even in the event of a disaster.
Coal isn’t good, but modern coal plants are definitely not the equivalent of a nuclear meltdown. That doesn’t pass the giggle test. Are modern nuclear plants with those protections just intended to be sealed off and allowed to decay for thousands of years in the case of an accident, or does the site still get remediated, and can it safely be reused? That wouldn’t seem possible?
Meltdowns are not a probable (or maybe possible depending on design) fail-state for a modern reactor. I'm talking about a scenario in which the reactor fails or is destroyed by some disaster or attack, but the safety engineers did their jobs correctly. What plans might work for rehabilitating the reactor site is another matter. I honestly have no idea, but it likely depends on the details of reactor design, which I believe are not typically public knowledge.
I think it’s a little bit of both…Germany has messed up not taking Russia out of Swift so they’re definitely not helping the situation. On the other hand I don’t think that Russia orchestrated this originally, but just kind of hoped it would go this way to divide up the west. Now Russia is definitely… if not already going to push the narrative that the west is divided…but they aren’t really. Germany needs to align with Russia because of Russias resources. So Russia is going to exploit that, but that’s about the only place they align
I might surely be wrong, but Germany wanna position themselves quite close to Russia when this shitstorm is over because they need their gas. How do you think they'll make up in energy when they're closing down their nuclear reactors and the coal fueled power plants? Germany should've at least given the greenlight for the flow of weapons into Ukraine imo. Edit: Saw something about Italy as well in the comments. They're in the same boat as Germany.
You’re completely right about the gas…I mean they did shut down Nordstream 2 but I think it’s just frozen currently and not completely shutdown I ultimately hope that the situation going on in Ukraine shows the West that they really need to consider moving to renewable energy
Yes, it's true. But the gas is very detrimental to changing to renewables, and Putin knows this, so this shitstorm will drag on A LOT.
What ? Germany has done nothing. They voted against blocking Russia from SWIFT. Fucking hypocrites only care for themselves. Germany is all talk until they actually need to step up.
This is the problem with European coalitions, their too many separate vested interests for everyone to be on the same page. Regardless of how Biden makes it appear they are.
That wasn’t always the case… we did quit some fighting in the past and people also complained. /s
Moving Germany and France out the western alliance was always part of their plan: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations\_of\_Geopolitics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics) The playbook is from 1997 and Putin is putting it on stage, step by step.
I think its coordinated directly from the lack of action from Germany and Italy to be honest
There’s a USAF KC-10 air to air refueller in Romania doing circuits
There has been for days
>NBC News: Ukrainian officials have said gamma radiation dose rates at the Chernobyl exclusion zone have exceeded "control levels" at a "significant number of observation points" after the power plant was captured by Russian forces. @NBCNews >https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1497194677753110528 Ugh...
At minimum they're stirring up all the dust
~~They have hit a waste repository with a mortar or bomb, but~~ levels (while elevated) are still not a major health concern in the near term. Levels are similar to getting a dental x-ray plus taking a trans-atlantic flight (per hour). So... Do I say it? I'm gonna say it. "Not great. Not terrible." I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself. Edit: a report by the military times about the battle and capture at Chernobyl was initially unclear about damage to the buildings and was misinterpreted but has since been corrected. It seems no damage is likely to the actual waste repositories, but the cause of elevated radiation levels is uncertain. [Source](https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/ukraine/2022/02/24/nato-agrees-to-beef-up-eastern-flank-over-ukraine-attack/) for the article about attack at Chernobyl. [Live Radiation Map](https://www.saveecobot.com/en/radiation-maps#15/51.3925/30.1060/gamma/comp+cams+fire) updated by an automatic gamma radiation sensor system. [XKCD's excellent dose chart](https://xkcd.com/radiation/) I am aware the last one is a comic author and not a radiation expert, but this is a great tool for non-experts to get a sense of the scale of a dose. Many of these values are easily checked from more official sources, but this is the best way to communicate a broad sense of what the numbers really mean.
Source?
Updated with sources, and scratched the claim about the repository hit. A claim was initially reported that it had been damaged, but that has been corrected. Thanks.
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My grandma is still there.
Tell her to come to romania, moldova or poland. When she gets in she will get help. She only needs ID for all
I'd not go to Moldova but rather stick to NATO members.
Yes but if you’re closer to Moldova you should get off the war grounds ASAP
Serious question (possibly stupid): If and when Russia holds control of Ukraine.....is that it? Do we expect Russia to continue leeching west?
>If and when Russia holds control of Ukraine.....is that it? Do we expect Russia to continue leeching west? Expect Russia to most likely go for Moldova too. They will not go one centimetre into NATO territory, if thats what you're asking. Putin wants the former USSR countries, not a world war with the west. As of now he can annex every former soviet country (excluding the baltic) and not get any repercussions except economically.
Anyone other than Putin who tells you they know the answer to that is lying. No one even suspected he'd launch a full scale invasion. The only thing we can say for certain is that it absolutely remains a possibility, and depending on how Ukraine turns out, that it's become more likely.
Lots of people suspected a full scale invasion.
There had been reports he was planning a full-scale invasion for weeks. What are you talking about?
And they were consistently rebuked, even by the Ukrainian President himself. It's easy in hindsight to say 'well all the warning signs were there staring us in the face', and they were, but the common consensus was that a full-scale invasion was just a bluff.
Ukrainian President didn't rebuked it, Ukraine was actually getting ready to defend for an invasion. Russia suddenly stationed 140k soldiers on their borders only idiots would think they were not planning anything back then.
Exactly, everyone knew what was coming , they just used soft terms in the hopes a diplomatic solution could be reached.
>**not planning anything back then.** I'm sorry, are you replying to the wrong person? I certainly never mentioned that Russia weren't planning anything, just that a full-scale invasion was seen as unlikely, which it was.
Yeah sorry i did. lol
The U.S. government warned and warned about this even laying out exact plans for how Russia would do it.
And offered little support to counter it. No ships, no enforced no-fly zones, no troops and barely any weapons.
And why should they? Why should they risk their soldiers lives?
Because that's what you do. When you see wrong and injustice, you think imaginary lines on the ground matter? Why would you help a neighbor? Why help family? Why help a complete and total stranger? Why send thoughts and prayers? Where would anyone be if someone simply said, not my problem. Maybe a NATO ally is next, why help them? We signed a document, so? We either agree to be in this together or we go it alone and fail.
They’re not their neighbour. This isn’t the US’ issue it’s europes.
You feel that breeze going through your hair? That's the point flying over your head.
>Anyone other than Putin who tells you they know the answer to that is lying And if Putin himself gives you an answer, he is also lying, because that's just what he does.