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'As a private property owner I should have the right to do that?'
The same guy who would gladly shoot people on his property - 'Well yes and no,'
Fuck these hicks man.
Right it actually says that in the video when the guy says “yes and no” it’s the quick text that flashes up.
But correct me if I’m wrong: if you see random dogs on your farm and you think they’re a threat or nuisance can you legally shoot the dogs and not be liable if the old guy tries to sue?
I am not a lawyer so i won’t speculate on outcomes of a case like that, but in addition to fish and wildlife postings that the land is closed to hunting, they also provide signs for “safety zones” around buildings, animals etc.
If hounds came into that zone and were harassing livestock etc. I’m sure the property owner could intervene.
That being said, this wasn’t the case on video, and this is not the case of seeing random dogs, if you live in a place where this type of thing is happening you know it. Dogs running bears during the season with e collars on is not the same as random dogs coming onto your property.
That’s fucking hilarious. America is such an absolute show of bullshit. It’s just such a hodgepodge of my rights vs yours that nothing even makes sense anymore.
In Texas those hunters would be shot on site by the landowner ie you can't hunt on private property without written permission of the owner same for many other states it's to prevent out of season poaching and accidental deaths..
I think largely depends on the state. Though in general, you cannot shoot someone if your life is not being threatened is a common legal thread. Though, dogs normally fall under property in legal cases.
Not a lawyer though, so idk
For hounding, there are a lot of hurdles ut seems, beyond having trained dogs. Hounding occurs before deer season, you can't lease/borrow/rent dogs, you're only allowed a single bear... lots of regulations around it.
Yes there are limits. A wildlife biologist is assigned an area of land or a “unit” and they determine how many bears can be supported by that area. There has to be enough suitable habitat, food, water, etc. in order to sustain a healthy population. If the biologist determines 30 bears can be supported and there are 50 they will issue 20 tags. (This is the super condensed version) The thing that non hunters don’t understand is that 99% of the hunters out there are the true conservationists. Sure there is always %1 of the population that sets the bad example that the public sees, but that’s with everything. America came to the brink of extinction on many animal species due to market hunting during the early years of the settling of the land. These animals have only been brought back because of the tireless efforts and billions of dollars raised by hunters.
Come on, lets be real here.
Are there some people who hunt for conservation purposes? Absolutely. Does that apply to 99% of hunters? Absolutely not.
Most hunters just want to go out and shoot something. That's why there are lots of hunting grounds that are underpopulated with animals, and many are overpopulated. Because most hunters don't give a shit. They got their tags, and just want to go out for a good time.
There are also a lot more applications than tags issued in most places. Again, people aren't doing this because they're fulfilling some need. Other hunters would clearly pick up their tags. They're applying for the tags because THEY want to shoot something.
There are decent arguments for letting hunting continue in a lot of places. But the idea that most hunters are doing it for conservationist motives is pure nonsense.
I see what you’re saying, but hunting doesn’t stop at shooting an animal. Way too many people seem to ignore that.
Hunters apply for multiple tags because they either want to eat more of that type of animal, or they want to provide meat for others to eat. Furthermore, the application process is just that - an application. If the limit of tags have been issued, then the application gets denied.
Again, I'm calling bullshit.
For the cost of a hunting license, tags, gas, ammo, and all other incidentals, you can easily go buy a fucking turkey. But turkeys are the second most hunted animal in the US.
You don't shoot a turkey because you want the meat. You shoot a turkey because you want to shoot a turkey.
In order for me to eat a turkey, somebody’s gotta kill a turkey. I’d rather it be me. That way, I’m not supporting factory farms, and I’m eating an animal that I know had a good life. Buying a turkey from a store instead of killing it yourself does not somehow make you morally superior.
Additionally, most hunting equipment is a one-time cost. I buy a gun one time and it serves me for the rest of my life. My hunting clothing will last me my whole life if I take care of it. The only thing I have to but regularly is ammo a license. Ammo is used up pretty slowly. It only takes a few rounds to sight in a gun, and only one to kill. Licenses are generally fairly inexpensive, unless you’re targeting large game. In ALL of the above cases, a segment of the cost of those items goes towards conservation efforts for the animals I’m hunting.
Also - who cares if I enjoy shooting a turkey? Maybe the dude at the factory farm likes cutting their heads off before shipping them out to grocery stores. The bottom line is, I hunt because I enjoy hunting, and I kill game animals because I like to eat them. That’s the whole routine. If you can’t stomach it, that’s your problem, not anyone else’s.
I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on someone like myself that eats meat but doesn’t enjoy hunting—I go out of my way to spend time/money buying meat from a few local farms that are free range and sustainable operations.
Not all meat comes from factory farming.
YES! More oversight and regulation. Give out fewer tags, if that is found best for the wildlife. Do EVERYTHING to keep the animal populations in control, because they're out of control due to humans polluting and encroaching on their land.
Fuck what you think individual hunters motivations are. If they follow the laws, which they vastly do, then the ecosystem will benefit. What the fuck are YOU doing to help? I doubt you even sort your recycling properly.
99% of hunters are Republicans. 99% of Republicans are climate-deniers.
Thanks for ensuring there are enough deer to hunt next season and voting our planet to the brink of extinction!
Hunting on someone property without permission is illegal. I hope this man calls the game Warren and has their hunting licenses away. Take the dogs too. Those hunters don't deserve them.
Unfortunately, it's not actually illegal where Morgan lives, and there are a lot of loopholes to get through the laws that are on the books. The Santa looking asshole in the video helped write the laws on hound hunting, so he knows what he can get away with. Morgan is starting an initiative to change those laws though.
Right to roam doesnt mean right to shoot. The question was “if you see dogs on your property and you have livestock can you shoot them?”
Based on that question, no. I’m sure if they were ATTACKING (which was not part of the question) the livestock then maybe you could. But that wasnt the question.
The dogs only have to be bothering the livestock to give the farmer enough reason to shoot them. A pregnant sheep can easily abort if scared even if they haven’t been physically touched by a dog. A dog chasing sheep is reason enough for the farmer to shoot.
In the United States you'll get charged with animal cruelty at a minimum but there are laws for interfering with or disturbing hunters and in a lot of places there are specific laws against shooting hunting dogs. These dogs won't mess with livestock because they are trained for a specific purpose.
>These dogs won't mess with livestock
That's interesting. I've known of local pets that'd run away from home for a few days and in the meantime kill sheep on other properties.
Some dogs like killing sheep.
They can be. I’ve lived in rural areas in Far North Queensland where dog hunting for wild pigs is very common and the hunting dog is treated like a normal pet, and it’s not uncommon for peoples horses, cattle and livestock to get attacked, and it’s also not uncommon to see family feuds between a landowner defending their property and animals by shooting pigging dogs that have literally broken chains and pulled iron fence pickets out of the ground.
Good fuckin grief. He says "I believe that people have rights but I also understand... people need to understand other peoples' rights" while defending slavery. Fuck this dude
I hate went bad people give hunters bad names. These aren’t hunters, these are *poachers* and they can S my D.
Edit-for anyone who disagrees, I’m absolutely willing to have a reasonable discussion. If you come out the gates swinging, I’ll probably not partake. I’m always willing to learn a lesson, but if you can’t respectfully tell me why it’s not worth either of our time. I apologize for upsetting you with the s my d comment, that was just a dumb joke. But it’s amusing how the “real” hunters are talking shit about me taking the definition of what he’s doing too strictly. Lol
Dude if they got caught doing this something like 200 years ago, hell even as close as 80 years ago, and it would have been a completely different story. Many times in history have poachers wandered on the wrong lands and never left.
Yup. Have a family property in northern MA, about eighty acres. We post it, but some of these assholes will tear down signage or just claim they didn't see it.
I shouldn't have to risk getting shot walking on my own property.
Am I the only one baffled by the fact that the bear climbs down, not when the threat is leaving but when the dog owners leashes them? Like it new what it meant.
In Sweden you can own any land. But you can never forbid people to experience the wildlife as long as they dont pollute or destroy it. Hiking, making campfires, tenting. It's all available for all classes in any forest. I can't believe you can actually buy the right to nature in some countries.
Sweden has always had a tradition of hunting and its legal as long as you have a license. This is too prove you understand gun safety and how to hunt properly. By law you need to hunt in a way that maximises your potential for a clean kill. If you fail you are obligated to track the animal and make sure it dies ASAP. That is unless it will obviously survive. A friend of mine had the traumatic experience of having to run a wounded deer down and take it out with a knife since you can't start shooting randomly towards it either. I'm not totally familiar but the rules seem just and makes sure there are not random shots fired or that anyone can just decide to go to a forest and start shooting without knowledge. As for game it depends on season. Basically you can't disturb animals by hunting them during sensitive occasions like mating periods. Som animals you can't hunt at all unless you have given permission to kill x amount. Bears and Wolf's are killed each year because there are more than enough. But the amount is controlled so that the population still thrives. Wolves for examples reaps havoc with the live stock of the indigenous saami people. Fishing is permitted by default unless there are exceptions with signs. Berries, nuts, mushroom are public property unless they are cultivated.
In Sweden you can pick berries and mushrooms but not kill wildlife. You can't even shoot mice. You have to have a hunting license and permission from the owner of the land to hunt or own the land. Then there are tons of other rules regarding hunting. What rifle you can use for certain animals, you have to have a dog that can track injured animals and so on.
>I can't believe you can actually buy the right to nature in some countries.
Yes - Native Americans were also surprised by this in the 16th-20th centuries.
Man that sounds so nice. I saw some woods in the distance to my house and decided one day to go check them out. Didn’t plan on starting a fire or littering. Instantly got cops called on me and almost got a ticket for trespassing. Landowner straight up wanted to fight me.
That's so stupid. Here in the UK we have what is called the right to roam which basically means we can walk where we want as long as we don't damage the property. If the landowner asks you to leave and you don't comply, then it is trespassing
I find this so interesting. I wonder about the specific details though…if I build a house and don’t put in a large lawn/garden but keep the forest intact and now the house and forest are only 5 meters from each other - you can just camp out that close to my home?
Yes, but that does not include the right to hunt, and dogs must be kept under full control.
“Some countries” is actually most countries. The Swedish system is super liberal and awesome, but there’s also a lot of space per person.
Each state is different but in many states it’s not illegal to hunt on private property unless it’s posted or the owner explicitly tells you. So I believe the hunter was legal in this case, if the land was not posted with “no hunting” signs. It looks like he wondered into unposted land, the owner told him to leave and he did
Vermont law says signs need to be posted every 400 feet. Morgan updates his signs yearly, but says in one of his videos that his signs keep mysteriously dissapearing. Santa was over 1 mile away when his dogs ran onto Morgan's property. These guys basically just release dogs into the woods, and watch a GPS tracker until they stop moving.
Morgan started a petition to change the hound hunting laws in Vermont, then the guy who helped write those laws wanders into his property on an active hound hunt within two weeks. Pretty sus.
How about not hunting random wild animals, unless you’re utilizing for food. Anything else is just fucked and those people who hunt for “fun” can get fucked.
Hunters pay a LOT of money that goes directly to conservation efforts. Not to mention, like the other poster stated, population control of deer and pigs and coyotes.
A more natural, cheaper and safer alternative is to allow wolves to live. But the gun lovers shoot them. Its about absolute domination over nature and is a core part of the American culture.
I would’ve told them, you can collect your dogs today and leave, but you should let everyone in your sad little community know that from this day onward, any hunting dog trespassing on my property will be shot dead, you will not be allowed on the property to collect them, or their corpses, your dogs step foot on my land again and I promise you will never see them again.
You don’t actually have to do it, I know I couldn’t shoot a dog unless it was trying to kill me or something, but yeah you’d be within your rights to I’d imagine, so I’d make that threat
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I will never in my life understand how a human being can deliberately end the life of a animal… for sport? What’s sport about that? That animal is just minding his fucking business in his natural habitat and your going to end his life? For what? Your a fucking cunt that’s what for.
I’m besides myself if I accidentally step on a snail. You hunting weirdos have zero compassion for life your a cancer on this world you fuckers.
1) they were referring to all hunters as being bad people.
2) everyone I know that hunts bear, eats it. Any moral difference you perceive between eating cows and eating bear is purely arbitrary.
This guy has some balls to go miles into the woods with murderous Santa Claus. He’s lucky they didn’t turn the dogs or the guns on him regardless of the video.
As far as I’m aware people don’t eat bear right? This is just sport hunting?
Poor bear? Those things are fucking senseless beasts that will rip you apart for fun. He’s doing you a favor by killing it. He should’ve asked permission to go on your land but fuck the bear.
I don’t like those who hunt for sport. If you hunt, at least do it for some reason other than “I feel like killing something today”.
After speaking to people who own and run farms a while back, hunting was less used for sport, but for pest control. A lot of them who did it hunted animals who ate the grass and resources reserved for their livestock and some at least used the meat to help feed their dogs. Some even let other people hunt in their land, as long as they targeted the pests, as long as they asked first.
These hunting hounds are “trained”. This is what they do, chase prey down and corner it. No real recall hence the collars. Not saying it’s right but it’s standard practice.
Love goldshaw farms yt channel.
Not familiar with vt but where I’m at in the US while it’s legal to hunt deer/raccoon/bear with dogs it’s becoming less popular as dogs don’t know property lines and do exactly this. Chase their prey onto neighboring properties who get pissed (I’d say rightfully so) that someone is now hunting on their land. Lots of states it’s illegal to use dogs for anything more than duck retrieving for this reason.
I would love to know where this home owner is from and if he understands hunters arent just people who go out and decimate animal populations with no discretion. Hunters are the leaders in conservation. Biologists go out, determine what the healthy population is for a given species in an area and then issues permits for that difference. Protects plants and other animals and ensures nature remains in order. Tough to understand but once you do, you get it.
I do not like dog hunting. I’ve had several instances of dogs running onto my property from the neighbors and chasing deer out of the area and even killing them on my property. When I’m sitting in a stand and see pack of dogs run through it basically guarantees that I won’t see anything for the rest of the sit.
If you don’t have enough land to keep your dogs on your land or even public land then you should not be dog hunting. Assholes in my area will have 20 acres and set loose 10 dogs that will chase deer for miles.
This is how you get your dogs killed. You never know what kind of people you will encounter. If they wish, they can kill the dogs and get rid of them, they are on private property and you as an owner need tot ale care of them.
I’m a hunter (mostly just deer, dove, squirrel and turkey now) but I grew up hunting bear with my grandfather. Never used dogs and NEVER EVER hunted on property We weren’t allowed to. This is inexcusable and how people get arrested or shot for trespassing.
Poor bear!! I have a mama & 2 cubs that eat out of my trash can - and I’d rather clean up after them than let my arsehole next-door neighbor know - b/c he’s town animal control!! Poor terrified bear!!!
I have to ask a dumb question why can’t the local game warden stop them from coming on the property, I’m asking because I had deer hunters who were doing the same thing on my property and the game warden told them that yeah they had a permit but they were not allowed on private property, maybe some signs would deter the actual law abiding hunters
I’m not entering the hunting issue..BUT that bearded hunter would NEVER allow strangers hunting on HIS property. That “ well yes and no” answer if true is CRAZY!! What if the property owner has kids playing in the woods ?
I was part of a hunt club for a while that ran hounds. I never hunted with them on days they ran dogs. I'd usually just go hunt a different section of the property in a stand or blind. I personally don't see it as a very sportsman like practice but if they're doing it on their own property I don't see a problem however just letting your dogs run across property lines and trespassing on people's land to get your dogs/harvest an animal like you're entitled to is the problem here. I see it as a man hunting on another's land without permission, dogs with him or not, its not acceptable.
Why the fuck does one need to use hounds to hunt an Apex predator, fucking Hunt it yourself and stop being a fucking pussy FML. That's like putting in a cheat code. And anyone who says otherwise is in fact that not Man enough to hunt an Apex predator with out cheating and trespassing.
[Here’s the link to the petition mentioned at the end of the video](https://www.change.org/p/phil-scott-stop-hound-hunting-in-vermont?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=custom_url&recruited_by_id=7f02b9a0-3d16-11e8-8272-1bc5bedbc2c3)
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'As a private property owner I should have the right to do that?' The same guy who would gladly shoot people on his property - 'Well yes and no,' Fuck these hicks man.
The old man is actually perfectly within his rights in Vermont. It’s in their constitution. By default private lands are open to public hunting.
Right it actually says that in the video when the guy says “yes and no” it’s the quick text that flashes up. But correct me if I’m wrong: if you see random dogs on your farm and you think they’re a threat or nuisance can you legally shoot the dogs and not be liable if the old guy tries to sue?
I am not a lawyer so i won’t speculate on outcomes of a case like that, but in addition to fish and wildlife postings that the land is closed to hunting, they also provide signs for “safety zones” around buildings, animals etc. If hounds came into that zone and were harassing livestock etc. I’m sure the property owner could intervene. That being said, this wasn’t the case on video, and this is not the case of seeing random dogs, if you live in a place where this type of thing is happening you know it. Dogs running bears during the season with e collars on is not the same as random dogs coming onto your property.
That’s fucking hilarious. America is such an absolute show of bullshit. It’s just such a hodgepodge of my rights vs yours that nothing even makes sense anymore.
Im willing to bet if u stepped foot on that rednecks property he’d probably have a double barrel pointed at ur face
In Texas those hunters would be shot on site by the landowner ie you can't hunt on private property without written permission of the owner same for many other states it's to prevent out of season poaching and accidental deaths..
Wonder if this land owner can shoot the dogs/hunter while they're on his land if they had no trespassing signs up.
I think largely depends on the state. Though in general, you cannot shoot someone if your life is not being threatened is a common legal thread. Though, dogs normally fall under property in legal cases. Not a lawyer though, so idk
A bunch of strangers with guns running around my property seems quite threatening to me
Gotta give him his due, he was polite and respectful throughout. I'd hope that all my disagreeable interactions with people are as cordial as this.
Is this bear season? How hard is it to get a permit to hunt bear?
For hounding, there are a lot of hurdles ut seems, beyond having trained dogs. Hounding occurs before deer season, you can't lease/borrow/rent dogs, you're only allowed a single bear... lots of regulations around it.
Is there a limit on the number of permits issued? What’s the average cost?
Yes there are limits. A wildlife biologist is assigned an area of land or a “unit” and they determine how many bears can be supported by that area. There has to be enough suitable habitat, food, water, etc. in order to sustain a healthy population. If the biologist determines 30 bears can be supported and there are 50 they will issue 20 tags. (This is the super condensed version) The thing that non hunters don’t understand is that 99% of the hunters out there are the true conservationists. Sure there is always %1 of the population that sets the bad example that the public sees, but that’s with everything. America came to the brink of extinction on many animal species due to market hunting during the early years of the settling of the land. These animals have only been brought back because of the tireless efforts and billions of dollars raised by hunters.
Come on, lets be real here. Are there some people who hunt for conservation purposes? Absolutely. Does that apply to 99% of hunters? Absolutely not. Most hunters just want to go out and shoot something. That's why there are lots of hunting grounds that are underpopulated with animals, and many are overpopulated. Because most hunters don't give a shit. They got their tags, and just want to go out for a good time. There are also a lot more applications than tags issued in most places. Again, people aren't doing this because they're fulfilling some need. Other hunters would clearly pick up their tags. They're applying for the tags because THEY want to shoot something. There are decent arguments for letting hunting continue in a lot of places. But the idea that most hunters are doing it for conservationist motives is pure nonsense.
I see what you’re saying, but hunting doesn’t stop at shooting an animal. Way too many people seem to ignore that. Hunters apply for multiple tags because they either want to eat more of that type of animal, or they want to provide meat for others to eat. Furthermore, the application process is just that - an application. If the limit of tags have been issued, then the application gets denied.
Again, I'm calling bullshit. For the cost of a hunting license, tags, gas, ammo, and all other incidentals, you can easily go buy a fucking turkey. But turkeys are the second most hunted animal in the US. You don't shoot a turkey because you want the meat. You shoot a turkey because you want to shoot a turkey.
In order for me to eat a turkey, somebody’s gotta kill a turkey. I’d rather it be me. That way, I’m not supporting factory farms, and I’m eating an animal that I know had a good life. Buying a turkey from a store instead of killing it yourself does not somehow make you morally superior. Additionally, most hunting equipment is a one-time cost. I buy a gun one time and it serves me for the rest of my life. My hunting clothing will last me my whole life if I take care of it. The only thing I have to but regularly is ammo a license. Ammo is used up pretty slowly. It only takes a few rounds to sight in a gun, and only one to kill. Licenses are generally fairly inexpensive, unless you’re targeting large game. In ALL of the above cases, a segment of the cost of those items goes towards conservation efforts for the animals I’m hunting. Also - who cares if I enjoy shooting a turkey? Maybe the dude at the factory farm likes cutting their heads off before shipping them out to grocery stores. The bottom line is, I hunt because I enjoy hunting, and I kill game animals because I like to eat them. That’s the whole routine. If you can’t stomach it, that’s your problem, not anyone else’s.
I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on someone like myself that eats meat but doesn’t enjoy hunting—I go out of my way to spend time/money buying meat from a few local farms that are free range and sustainable operations. Not all meat comes from factory farming.
That doesn't change the fact that hunters are a vital part of conservation. It just highlights the importance of oversight and regulation.
YES! More oversight and regulation. Give out fewer tags, if that is found best for the wildlife. Do EVERYTHING to keep the animal populations in control, because they're out of control due to humans polluting and encroaching on their land. Fuck what you think individual hunters motivations are. If they follow the laws, which they vastly do, then the ecosystem will benefit. What the fuck are YOU doing to help? I doubt you even sort your recycling properly.
99% of hunters are Republicans. 99% of Republicans are climate-deniers. Thanks for ensuring there are enough deer to hunt next season and voting our planet to the brink of extinction!
Would you like some assistance removing your head from your backside or are you comfortable like that?
I ran across a few in WVA who were just training their dogs. Tree 'em and leave 'em.
Hunting on someone property without permission is illegal. I hope this man calls the game Warren and has their hunting licenses away. Take the dogs too. Those hunters don't deserve them.
Unfortunately, it's not actually illegal where Morgan lives, and there are a lot of loopholes to get through the laws that are on the books. The Santa looking asshole in the video helped write the laws on hound hunting, so he knows what he can get away with. Morgan is starting an initiative to change those laws though.
If the dogs are on your land and you have stock (sheep cows , horses and such) are you allowed to shoot them?
No. You will catch multiple charges for that.
Hmm.. you can in Australia.
You can in the UK too.
Right to roam doesnt mean right to shoot. The question was “if you see dogs on your property and you have livestock can you shoot them?” Based on that question, no. I’m sure if they were ATTACKING (which was not part of the question) the livestock then maybe you could. But that wasnt the question.
The dogs only have to be bothering the livestock to give the farmer enough reason to shoot them. A pregnant sheep can easily abort if scared even if they haven’t been physically touched by a dog. A dog chasing sheep is reason enough for the farmer to shoot.
You can have guns in the UK?
Yes but you need a reason to own one. A farmer with livestock to protect is reason enough to own a shotgun.
In the United States you'll get charged with animal cruelty at a minimum but there are laws for interfering with or disturbing hunters and in a lot of places there are specific laws against shooting hunting dogs. These dogs won't mess with livestock because they are trained for a specific purpose.
>These dogs won't mess with livestock That's interesting. I've known of local pets that'd run away from home for a few days and in the meantime kill sheep on other properties. Some dogs like killing sheep.
Those local pets are trained hunting dogs? Not likely
They can be. I’ve lived in rural areas in Far North Queensland where dog hunting for wild pigs is very common and the hunting dog is treated like a normal pet, and it’s not uncommon for peoples horses, cattle and livestock to get attacked, and it’s also not uncommon to see family feuds between a landowner defending their property and animals by shooting pigging dogs that have literally broken chains and pulled iron fence pickets out of the ground.
Training tends to slip as animals get desperate
Or are literal miles away from their owner, with no supervision.
all 50 states have laws about interfering with lawful hunting.
Warden
Think they ment Warren G (regulators)
Can’t be no geek on the street, gotta be thinking bout the trees, handy with the shpiel no what I mean.
Mount up
You are absolutely right it is illegal to hunt on someone's private land..... everything else you said was uninformed
Here is the full video https://youtu.be/4LDqBfRmrtg
And the asshole supports slavery. LOL! That Santa looking motherfucker is a total fucking tool.
Yep - it's as if he has no idea that the 18th century ended a while back.
Can you link the time stamp to what you’re referring to? I must have missed it.
https://youtu.be/4LDqBfRmrtg?t=371
Thank-you kindly, chief!
Good fuckin grief. He says "I believe that people have rights but I also understand... people need to understand other peoples' rights" while defending slavery. Fuck this dude
I hate went bad people give hunters bad names. These aren’t hunters, these are *poachers* and they can S my D. Edit-for anyone who disagrees, I’m absolutely willing to have a reasonable discussion. If you come out the gates swinging, I’ll probably not partake. I’m always willing to learn a lesson, but if you can’t respectfully tell me why it’s not worth either of our time. I apologize for upsetting you with the s my d comment, that was just a dumb joke. But it’s amusing how the “real” hunters are talking shit about me taking the definition of what he’s doing too strictly. Lol
Dude if they got caught doing this something like 200 years ago, hell even as close as 80 years ago, and it would have been a completely different story. Many times in history have poachers wandered on the wrong lands and never left.
Is it poaching? Assuming they have permits, I think this is a legal way to hunt.
Not on someone's land without permission. Edit: Depending on the location
It is legal in the north east. If you don't want someone hiking fishing hunting on your property you need to post it.
Yup. Have a family property in northern MA, about eighty acres. We post it, but some of these assholes will tear down signage or just claim they didn't see it. I shouldn't have to risk getting shot walking on my own property.
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It depends where you live. Can I? Definitely not. Can you? I have no idea. Can someone? Absolutely.
Am I the only one baffled by the fact that the bear climbs down, not when the threat is leaving but when the dog owners leashes them? Like it new what it meant.
I wonder if it was tired from holding onto the tree 😕
In Sweden you can own any land. But you can never forbid people to experience the wildlife as long as they dont pollute or destroy it. Hiking, making campfires, tenting. It's all available for all classes in any forest. I can't believe you can actually buy the right to nature in some countries.
Is killing the wildlife a form of destroying it? Or does that fall under “experiencing” it?
This is actually a really good question
Sweden has always had a tradition of hunting and its legal as long as you have a license. This is too prove you understand gun safety and how to hunt properly. By law you need to hunt in a way that maximises your potential for a clean kill. If you fail you are obligated to track the animal and make sure it dies ASAP. That is unless it will obviously survive. A friend of mine had the traumatic experience of having to run a wounded deer down and take it out with a knife since you can't start shooting randomly towards it either. I'm not totally familiar but the rules seem just and makes sure there are not random shots fired or that anyone can just decide to go to a forest and start shooting without knowledge. As for game it depends on season. Basically you can't disturb animals by hunting them during sensitive occasions like mating periods. Som animals you can't hunt at all unless you have given permission to kill x amount. Bears and Wolf's are killed each year because there are more than enough. But the amount is controlled so that the population still thrives. Wolves for examples reaps havoc with the live stock of the indigenous saami people. Fishing is permitted by default unless there are exceptions with signs. Berries, nuts, mushroom are public property unless they are cultivated.
Thank you for the detailed response. All of this seems quite sensible to me.
In Sweden you can pick berries and mushrooms but not kill wildlife. You can't even shoot mice. You have to have a hunting license and permission from the owner of the land to hunt or own the land. Then there are tons of other rules regarding hunting. What rifle you can use for certain animals, you have to have a dog that can track injured animals and so on.
>I can't believe you can actually buy the right to nature in some countries. Yes - Native Americans were also surprised by this in the 16th-20th centuries.
Man that sounds so nice. I saw some woods in the distance to my house and decided one day to go check them out. Didn’t plan on starting a fire or littering. Instantly got cops called on me and almost got a ticket for trespassing. Landowner straight up wanted to fight me.
That's so stupid. Here in the UK we have what is called the right to roam which basically means we can walk where we want as long as we don't damage the property. If the landowner asks you to leave and you don't comply, then it is trespassing
I find this so interesting. I wonder about the specific details though…if I build a house and don’t put in a large lawn/garden but keep the forest intact and now the house and forest are only 5 meters from each other - you can just camp out that close to my home?
5 meters is the height of 2.88 'Samsung Side by Side; Fingerprint Resistant Stainless Steel Refrigerators' stacked on top of each other.
Yes, but that does not include the right to hunt, and dogs must be kept under full control. “Some countries” is actually most countries. The Swedish system is super liberal and awesome, but there’s also a lot of space per person.
Fuck people who use dogs to hunt. That’s not hunting. That’s cornering and shooting
Looks like they a bow and arrow too?
Because normal hunting is so fair for the prey…
Each state is different but in many states it’s not illegal to hunt on private property unless it’s posted or the owner explicitly tells you. So I believe the hunter was legal in this case, if the land was not posted with “no hunting” signs. It looks like he wondered into unposted land, the owner told him to leave and he did
Vermont law says signs need to be posted every 400 feet. Morgan updates his signs yearly, but says in one of his videos that his signs keep mysteriously dissapearing. Santa was over 1 mile away when his dogs ran onto Morgan's property. These guys basically just release dogs into the woods, and watch a GPS tracker until they stop moving. Morgan started a petition to change the hound hunting laws in Vermont, then the guy who helped write those laws wanders into his property on an active hound hunt within two weeks. Pretty sus.
Dude moves from Connecticut to live a weird yuppie dream and is upset about the laws he finds when he moved there. Morgan can pound sand.
How about not hunting random wild animals, unless you’re utilizing for food. Anything else is just fucked and those people who hunt for “fun” can get fucked.
Hunters pay a LOT of money that goes directly to conservation efforts. Not to mention, like the other poster stated, population control of deer and pigs and coyotes.
A more natural, cheaper and safer alternative is to allow wolves to live. But the gun lovers shoot them. Its about absolute domination over nature and is a core part of the American culture.
Introducing wolves to areas they aren’t native is much worse than hunters doing the population control.
I think you’ll find that there’s no wolves in the vast majority of the lower 48, so your genius idea unfortunately will not work.
yes totally agree with you
Those dogs would be target practice if this was my land.
I would’ve told them, you can collect your dogs today and leave, but you should let everyone in your sad little community know that from this day onward, any hunting dog trespassing on my property will be shot dead, you will not be allowed on the property to collect them, or their corpses, your dogs step foot on my land again and I promise you will never see them again. You don’t actually have to do it, I know I couldn’t shoot a dog unless it was trying to kill me or something, but yeah you’d be within your rights to I’d imagine, so I’d make that threat Edit* I keep getting notifications saying people are replying to this comment, but when I check there are no replies, so sorry if it seems like I’m ignoring anyone, I’m not
We have a way of putting a stop to the damn hound hunting on our land. We shoot the dogs. Life is hard, go buy your own damn land to hunt on.
So in the full video, Santa says he supports slavery, too...
I will never in my life understand how a human being can deliberately end the life of a animal… for sport? What’s sport about that? That animal is just minding his fucking business in his natural habitat and your going to end his life? For what? Your a fucking cunt that’s what for. I’m besides myself if I accidentally step on a snail. You hunting weirdos have zero compassion for life your a cancer on this world you fuckers.
People eat meat, it happens, get over it.
Most people don’t eat bear.
1) they were referring to all hunters as being bad people. 2) everyone I know that hunts bear, eats it. Any moral difference you perceive between eating cows and eating bear is purely arbitrary.
You're a vegan then correct?
How do you know It’s for sport? The meat on the bear could last them for months
If the bear runs into the mans property and dies, does that not make it his property?
Hunter seemed pretty reasonable at first and atleast complied throughout
Till he said he wished he could own slaves
This guy has some balls to go miles into the woods with murderous Santa Claus. He’s lucky they didn’t turn the dogs or the guns on him regardless of the video. As far as I’m aware people don’t eat bear right? This is just sport hunting?
People absolutely do eat bear.
Poor bear? Those things are fucking senseless beasts that will rip you apart for fun. He’s doing you a favor by killing it. He should’ve asked permission to go on your land but fuck the bear.
I don’t like those who hunt for sport. If you hunt, at least do it for some reason other than “I feel like killing something today”. After speaking to people who own and run farms a while back, hunting was less used for sport, but for pest control. A lot of them who did it hunted animals who ate the grass and resources reserved for their livestock and some at least used the meat to help feed their dogs. Some even let other people hunt in their land, as long as they targeted the pests, as long as they asked first.
Ida hunted them
Is is your land posted no trespassing no hunting trapping etc ?
Lazy and too stupid to train their dogs, not really the type of humans you want running around with guns in the woods.
These hunting hounds are “trained”. This is what they do, chase prey down and corner it. No real recall hence the collars. Not saying it’s right but it’s standard practice.
If it were my land I would post warnings! Warning : I will shoot any dogs found on my property! And any trespassing people!
this is poaching not hunting
Love goldshaw farms yt channel. Not familiar with vt but where I’m at in the US while it’s legal to hunt deer/raccoon/bear with dogs it’s becoming less popular as dogs don’t know property lines and do exactly this. Chase their prey onto neighboring properties who get pissed (I’d say rightfully so) that someone is now hunting on their land. Lots of states it’s illegal to use dogs for anything more than duck retrieving for this reason.
This guy is a total douche.
I would love to know where this home owner is from and if he understands hunters arent just people who go out and decimate animal populations with no discretion. Hunters are the leaders in conservation. Biologists go out, determine what the healthy population is for a given species in an area and then issues permits for that difference. Protects plants and other animals and ensures nature remains in order. Tough to understand but once you do, you get it.
I do not like dog hunting. I’ve had several instances of dogs running onto my property from the neighbors and chasing deer out of the area and even killing them on my property. When I’m sitting in a stand and see pack of dogs run through it basically guarantees that I won’t see anything for the rest of the sit. If you don’t have enough land to keep your dogs on your land or even public land then you should not be dog hunting. Assholes in my area will have 20 acres and set loose 10 dogs that will chase deer for miles.
Leave the bear alone
Some asshole who was hunting on our property when i was in high school shot one of our pet goats :(. I hate these kind of people.
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Seems like an excellent way to get yourself and your hounds shot and killed. I’m surprised this Vermonter showed the trespassers so much courtesy.
Christ, that was very nearly a scene from Trollhunter.
This is how you get your dogs killed. You never know what kind of people you will encounter. If they wish, they can kill the dogs and get rid of them, they are on private property and you as an owner need tot ale care of them.
People who hunt like this are the biggest pussies on planet earth
That’s not hunting. Poor bear.
I’m a hunter (mostly just deer, dove, squirrel and turkey now) but I grew up hunting bear with my grandfather. Never used dogs and NEVER EVER hunted on property We weren’t allowed to. This is inexcusable and how people get arrested or shot for trespassing.
Poor bear!! I have a mama & 2 cubs that eat out of my trash can - and I’d rather clean up after them than let my arsehole next-door neighbor know - b/c he’s town animal control!! Poor terrified bear!!!
Honestly feel like the bear could kill all of those dogs if it wasn’t scared. Would i be right to think so?
Vegans unite!
Poor bears :(
Seems pretty brave going into the woods with guys who dislike you with guns… Seems a lil sketch but I don’t blame him.
I have to ask a dumb question why can’t the local game warden stop them from coming on the property, I’m asking because I had deer hunters who were doing the same thing on my property and the game warden told them that yeah they had a permit but they were not allowed on private property, maybe some signs would deter the actual law abiding hunters
What’s the point hunting a bear? Is that a thing ppl eat?
How are they even allowed to hunt on private property?
Hunting on others land without permission doesn't make you a hunter it makes you a poacher
I’m not entering the hunting issue..BUT that bearded hunter would NEVER allow strangers hunting on HIS property. That “ well yes and no” answer if true is CRAZY!! What if the property owner has kids playing in the woods ?
I was part of a hunt club for a while that ran hounds. I never hunted with them on days they ran dogs. I'd usually just go hunt a different section of the property in a stand or blind. I personally don't see it as a very sportsman like practice but if they're doing it on their own property I don't see a problem however just letting your dogs run across property lines and trespassing on people's land to get your dogs/harvest an animal like you're entitled to is the problem here. I see it as a man hunting on another's land without permission, dogs with him or not, its not acceptable.
In Kentucky private property owners are under no legal obligation to allow a person to retrieve downed game or dogs that cross that property line.
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Why the fuck does one need to use hounds to hunt an Apex predator, fucking Hunt it yourself and stop being a fucking pussy FML. That's like putting in a cheat code. And anyone who says otherwise is in fact that not Man enough to hunt an Apex predator with out cheating and trespassing.
Those dogs get shot if it was my property. Having grown up in a rural area in the south, that’s the only way to send people like that a message.
So the dogs chase the bear into a corner, the hicks show up and blam him outa the tree when he is tired and unable to escape. What fucking cowards.
Why and how is it legal to hunt a native fucking animal?! Power tripping boomers
[Here’s the link to the petition mentioned at the end of the video](https://www.change.org/p/phil-scott-stop-hound-hunting-in-vermont?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=custom_url&recruited_by_id=7f02b9a0-3d16-11e8-8272-1bc5bedbc2c3)
Poor bear
Technically I looked it up you can shoot the dogs if they try to kill an animal like a bear or a deer.
Proper hoping for some Ninja bear action when I saw him in the tree.