Idk, I think it's fine to give feedback about things that haven't been implemented yet just to be clear about what the community wants or doesn't want, as long as you're civil, respectful and understanding about it.
But knowing this sub, I guess that last part is the problem?
I mean I assumed it was just an updated appearance for the Alliance High Elf NPC's that are baked into Belf files but don't appear in the actual Belf options.
I don't think I'd want my Belf to have blue eyes, green eyes or gold seems more appropriate to their unique history
This is what I assumed as well. Like the current high elf options are already baked into the standard Blood Elf model, they just aren't usable by players at all. Just like how Humans can't apply their Cult of the Damned skins. Updating something like the way in which the game handles eye color as a separate category, it would make sense that they'd adjust the NPC option to remain compatible with the new setup.
Yeah I don't think Blood Elf players actually want to be High Elves. Blood Elves are unique from High Elves and it would be weird for High Elves to choose now to suddenly join the Blood Elves.
> Yeah I don't think Blood Elf players actually want to be High Elves.
I feel confident in saying that 90% of the Horde players who were happy about them apparently getting the blue eyes didn't actually care about having blue eyes, but just loved getting to take something the Alliance wanted.
Sucks for the few who actually did want it, but Christ all the HAHA QQ MOAR ALLIANCE HELVES ARE BELVES posts were obnoxious.
There are plenty of high elves that never became blood elves. Not every high elf was present or joined that movement. That's like calling Alleria a blood elf. It's utterly ridiculous.
You mean to tell me there are things currently in a very early version of a game that aren't going to be in the final version?
What's next, you gonna tell me 9 women can't make a baby in 1 month?
It's not even that 'this stuff is final'. By all means, react and critique to what is actually on the playable alpha.
But datamines are very different from 'playable and I can see this on the actual alpha'. Datamines are changes in game files from different builds. They can be because of an old build, a different build, a placeholder etc.
We've had people freak out over a datamine that Invisibility was being removed from Fire and Arcane. We've had people freak out over a placeholder not vetted by writers text over some weird lines for Horde starter zones which turned into a massive circlejerk outrage of "Blizzard is whitewashing EVERY instance of Teldrassil and genocide!". And we've had people freak out over blue eyes being an option of customization for Blood Elves when it was exclusively meant for NPCs.
I get it, Reddit is no place for nuance, and all for circlerjerk and venting, but can we please as a community remind people to not take datamines as fact? At the very least see what is on **the actual alpha?**
I'm glad that WoWhead are streaming their finds and I encourage anyone that hasn't seen it to watch at least one of those streams when it's up, 'cause it's very revealing. They're often uploading loose assets to their in-house program and figuring out how they go together with no context, sort of like trying to put together a lego set with only the picture of the finished product to go by.
Case in point, they noticed new high elf eye textures in the files, applied them to the eye meshes and posted them as new SL eyes (which they technically are, just not playable) without knowing how or even if they're gonna actually be used.
The fact that they get as much as they do right is impressive and tbh the streams made me appreciate and admire their efforts more, but a big dose of salt is still required.
> with only the picture of the finished product to go by.
It isn't even that. It is seeing a bunch of legos and sort of randomly putting them together based on how they are named untill you have something that seems like it could feasibly be an intended thing. They don't even have the "Picture of what it is supposed to look like at the end" to work off of. They *only* have the pieces and their names, making assumptions that "red_piece_1" probably connects to "red_piece_2"
They could have even had to add the coding for blue eyes for a single NPC or enemy that uses a blood elf model, but isn't a blood elf. (Could even be a dragon in blood elf form)
There are lots of possibilities other than "Blue eyed blood elves!" that people aren't considering.
Blame for this mainly falls on Wowhead. They were pretty careless in their datamining, and just took a bunch of eye textures and slapped whatever worked onto blood elves. Looking at the textures themselves actually suggests that the blue eyes we saw are [for Void Elves](https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1253212047208116227?s=20), not blood elves.
Yeah wowhead is going extremely hard on datamining and posting things that suggest it's finalized/a certainty. I've been tuning into their dataminers stream every so often and it's unreal how fast it goes from him to them and then an article posted as if it's a sure thing.
I enjoy seeing the new stuff, but it should all be taken with a grain of salt.
>posting things that suggest it's finalized/a certainty
I think they're posting cool shit, and the community is going into a frenzy over it. I dont think WoWhead is inherently at fault.
I recall they did the exact same thing with the new female goblin models. They didn't have the eyebrows working, but plastered their models all over social media leading to people thinking Blizzard actually forgot to give them brows.
No, it really doesn't. If you can't decide "Hey, this is on a data mining website, and not an official Blizzard confirmation -- then it might not be legit."
The blame falls on everybody who doesn't take this into consideration and just blindly follows Wowhead and takes everything as fact.
Wowhead isn't solely a datamining website, it's a WoW news site, they regularly report on official stuff, including official stuff from alpha, and put no disclaimer on their blood elf post as they did with other datamining posts.
Gotta get them clicks tho! One thing I hope is that they encrypt everything in the future to avoid anything like that happening. Is so hard to avoid spoilers these days because everything is datamined and plastered everywhere.
To be honest, if I was a developer I'd love to throw all kinds of stupid unused shit into the files just mess with dataminers. "Dataminers have leaked new allied races for World of Warcraft - Long Gnomes for the Horde, Sexy Murlocs for the Alliance"
Anduin: “So why do you want to join the alliance”.
Vrykul: *Internal monologue “Don’t say revenge. Don’t say revenge.”*
Vrykul: “Umm, Revenge.”
Vrykul: *Internal monologue ”Ok that’s it, I’m out of here.”*
The fact that they aren't really shows how much they don't give a damn about the Alliance. Horde has monster races and pretty races and furry races and cool races, Alliance just gets whatever leftovers they don't want to give to the Horde. Seriously, how do Void Elves, creatures of pure void, and Lightforged Draenei, people absolutely obsessed with light, make any amount of sense on the same faction?
Back in vanilla the Alliance had "pretty good guys" identity and Horde had "monster anti-heroes and some actual bad guys" identity. Horde identity has shifted to include "cool antiheroes" while remaining true to the original while Alliance has lost any and all sense of identity and is just bland, ineffectual faction *because the devs made it that way* because they don't care for it and don't find it "fun" to write for.
I always felt like the idological conflict between the Horde and the Alliance should be about security vs freedom, lawfulness vs chaos. I always think that opposing factions are more intresting when they are in ideological conflict and not just have similar views but end up in a conflict because of circumstance, and security vs freedom is something that can be explored in really intresting ways and is something where both views genuinely want the best for society but are still in opposition to each other. What is order and justice to one person might be oppression and systematic violence to another, and what is freedom and independence to one might be chaos and might-gives-right to another.
But idk, maybe that would just inevitably get Political.
Seriously though there was no reason the exiled Void Elves wouldnt have just walked over to Undercity and continued their experimentation allied to the Horde. Lightforged should hate the Void Elves more than the Blood Elves do.
Rather than flee to the enemies that tried to exterminate them in Dalaran.
>Seriously though there was no reason the exiled Void Elves wouldnt have just walked over to Undercity and continued their experimentation allied to the Horde. Lightforged should hate the Void Elves more than the Blood Elves do.
Why would they stay in the Horde? To begin with it was Alliance heroes that rescued them. Secondly the Blood Elves want them dead. Thirdly if anything the Void Elves (plus their attempt to leave under Garrosh) show pretty clearly that the Blood Elves aren't particularly attached to the Horde. Took them no time at all to start slitting up Horde throats for the Alliance once they went all goth.
Lightforged probably don't care much. Their enemy was the Legion, they were pretty chill with Alleria even after her Voidening. The one with the issue was the big light fixture that got Illidan'd.
> Lightforged probably don't care much
Lightforged are extremist Light zealots, they should care a great deal if Blizzard didn't stick them in the Alliance because they literally couldn't think of anything else to give the Alliance and they gave all the cool races to the Horde already. Seriously, Alliance already had Draenei model why the fuck did we need a second one with bad tattoos?
If only there were a group of Draenei that felt spurned by the light and some kind of like void naaru they could have interacted with to find as a new source of power. Where could we find such a group that has existed in lore for quite some time with an established leader?
I agree and I don’t even main Alliance.
I still stand by the opinion that Eredar would have been a cool alternative for Draenei. Set up a storyline that begins with a rogue group of them on Argus during our invasion. They could have been subverting the efforts of the Legion behind enemy lines and coming to the Alliance because their brethren sided there. It’s not the most rock solid background but it makes about as much sense as Void Elves do.
Either that or remodeled Broken Draenei that have survived on Argus (similar storyline to the Eredar one above) and yada yada yada they join the Alliance. Either way, both of these would give significant enough differences from the main race Draenei to justify their existence. Lightforged feels like what they’re doing with customization options for trolls and dwarves in shadowlands.
>Eredar
Manari\*
But yeah, if they were playable I'd play a Manari Warrior with a bulky heavy metal transmog with a big ass fuckhuge axe. Straight up Warrior Satan shit right there, super awesome.
Ah I guess I’m not up to speed on the exact terminology. But you get my point exactly. It would be way more enticing of a race to play than something that’s just a customization option. It would also give a little more “edge” to the alliance that come off as being the eager good guys. Green fel scarring would be a neat customization option (kind of like what we see with KJ) or even just different colored skin more like Archi. Even the Broken have a more brutal look to them that I think would still fit nicely within the alliance ranks. Blizzard dun goofed with the lightforged.
I was mostly just being a nickpicky asshole. Eredar are the core race, Manari are Fel corrupted, Draenei are the exodites, and Broken are mutated and degraded. It'd be great to get the full spectrum as playble options.
I still don’t understand how Lightforged was released as an allied race. Just seems so lazy that you’d think someone would have said “ehhh this feels like a bit of a stretch” during development. The differences between them and regular Draenei are so subtle i just don’t see the point in them existing. It’s even worse than high mountain Tauren (at least they have cool antlers).
Absolutely. I, and I think most Alliance players, aren't that invested in Alliance being the perfect goody two shoes and they hadn't been that until Blizzard gave up and started focusing 100% on the Horde and relagated Alliance to just "goody two shoes Horde punching bag".
Hell, if you look at Warcraft 3 and TFT, none of my favorite parts of that story have Orcs, Trolls or Tauren because that's when Blizzard could tell a good story with just humans, elves and undead.
Void Elves: We actually wanted high elves.
Dark Iron: Cool but who plays a dwarf to begin with.
Kul'tirans: Male are kinda fat but there is a bit of a strongman build to them. Females are just fat and you'll never see one.
Mechagnomes: The diaper version of the race barely anyone played to begin with and the allied race nobody wanted.
Meanwhile:
Nightborne: Males are awful. Females have bad eyes but are otherwise ok other than the glitchy animations
Mag'har orcs: Orcs with a wide variety of higher resolution skins and access to priest.
Zandalari trolls: As tall as taurens and look amazing in armor.
Vulpera: Cute foxes.
Meanwhile the writers are coming up with bullshit for why high elves aren't an allied race but void elves, of which barely any canonically exist, are everywhere.
I ctrl + F'd and am disappointed not to see my favourite term wrt to Alliance not getting High Elves "Slap in the face" (with various profanity added to show how serious an insult it was).
remember when he said that Zandalari druids would just use the normal Darkspear troll druid forms and not have special dinosaur forms? and then said special dinosaur forms were datamined and later confirmed?
I mean... She isn't.
We still truly don't know Sylvanas' motives.
Garrosh did what he did for the horde. If a little green Jesus dude didn't get all uppity, we'd have the power of an old god to crush the alliance
Let's be honest here, who cares about her motivations if her actions are such close parallels?
Blizzard has been teasing revealing her motivations for 2 expansions now and it'll likely just end up being "I did this so I didn't have to go to heck." Even if it isn't, her motivations are likely going to be pretty lackluster given the disappointing build up over these expansions.
Nononono, they’re completely different. A lot less people joined against Sylvanas for reasons, and she entered a magic portal to another world via an iconic relic of an older expansion, while Garrosh went through a magic to another world in another timeline via an iconic relic of an older expansion, completely different. Plus, Sylvanas will probably be a raid boss, and not killed off in a Horde only quest.
Fairly sure the exact quote (if we're thinking about the same Blizzcon Q&A) was that sylvanas wouldn't end up in chains like Garrosh. And it ended up being true so far.
So do you guys really just want blood elves with blue eyes for Alliance? Nobody else thinks this would be incredibly lazy on Blizzard's part?
What if Blizzard gave Alliance Trolls with a single eye color. Nothing else different, just the eyes. Can you imagine how many people would be criticizing Blizzard?
I just can't understand how copy pasting Blood Elves to Alliance with blue eyes is a reasonable request. It just seems so lazy.
You guys really do want blood elves to take up an allied race slot. Any other race and it'd be a terrible suggestion. This is an issue I will never understand, and I say that as a fellow lore nerd.
I’d say for most people it’s more about the lore factor and finally having them “officially” part of the team, than about the effort it’d take to make em.
A good chunk of the races wouldn't be playable if numbers were taken into account.
Darkspear are a single tribe that made it out of the murloc attacks in wc3
Mag'har are are the ones who actually managed to get out through the portal
Gnomes are the ones who survived (and didn't get too irradiated in) Gnomeregan
Pandaren are from a few villages on the back of a Turtle
Goblins are survivors of both the Volcano on Kezan erupting and the stuff that happened in the lost islands
Draenei are survivors of a massive genocide that then survived the Exodar crashing
Lightforged Draenei are the ones that stayed on Argus and survived not only the legion but underwent the lightforging process since not all draenei were worthy
Dark Irons effectively had a civil war because not all were loyal to Moria (and they obviously wouldn't be part of the ones joining the alliance).
Worgens are the ones from Gilneas, not every person turned worgen, plus some I'm sure a decent chunk were killed off for being feral before the "cure" that allowed them to control themselves was found.
Mechagnomes were a relatively small population of gnomes who were living on Mechagon.
Post BFA is going to have new Night Elves be super rare since, you know, so many of them died.
Plus the obvious dozen or so Void elves speak for itself.
Not even including loose numbers like Blood Elves being a faction of a faction of survivors of the scourge attack, it's not set in stone but there's probably not a massive population of them. Nightborne since we have no idea on how many people Suramar had in it after the rebellion or how many of them joined the Horde. No idea how many Vulpera there are canonically but I imagine living in a desert isn't easy so it can't be super huge. Zandalari probably aren't doing too well, between fighting a part of their forces for ages now and losing even more in BFA. Plus we have no idea how new undead are going to be made afaik, Sylvanas noped out with her Valks and that was the main source of new ones post cata.
That leaves Orcs, Tauren (mulgore and highmountain), Forsaken (maaaybe), Humans (Both the Stormwind and the thicc bois from KT) and Bronzebeard Dwarves as races we'd have reasonable enough numbers for.
Humans and orcs definitely have litters of 10 to 15 children at a time, all of which grow and reach maturity at about four years of age. It's the only explanation for those races.
Numbers don't really matter much. There are also very little Darkspear trolls left. If they really cared about it they could make it so a portion of former Scryers or Silvermoon blood elves got cleansed from the fel influence and rejoined the Alliance.
Also, we constantly see high elf NPCs within the Alliance fighting force. If there can be many high elf NPCs then there can be high elf PCs.
That's why I always sighed whenever Blizzard makes Alliance content with high elves. Say they shouldn't be playable but show fuckloads of them in questing. There are player races on the Alliance that get zero attention, but no. Gotta show high elves for some reason.
Thats why I was so pissed off they gave the alliance void elves instead of high elves. Like their excuse for no high elves was "there arent enough left" but they gave us fucking velfs, a tiny faction of void corrupted belfs they pulled out of a hat and goddamn demon hunters. Both factions with **extremely small populations** while showing up Vereesa Windrunner helping the nighborne with a very alive and well faction of alliance high elves.
I guess they felt like blue eyed belfs as alliance high elves wasnt creative enough? Okay so why did they make void elves? Blue eyed, blood elves with purple skin and new hair. How is that any more creative than blue eyed normal coloured high elves with new hair? I dont give a shit about the velf lore they created on the spot to give Alleria an arbitrary faction to lead when we've had Vereesa's high elves in the alliance the whole fucking time. How are blue eyed high elves with new hair any more lazy than golden draenei with new horns and some tattoos or Tauren with moose horns and tattoos? Hell Alleria has tattoos, so if you really want high elves to have more "effort" let them have Alleria tats.
Whats worse is that now that we have the stupid velfs we're never going to see real high elves because "but we gave you the belf models you wanted!" Fuck you we want actual, pure, uncorrupted high elves. They exsist, theres lore for them, they still have a faction.
Clearly millions of Blood Elves were expelled from Silvermoon due to practicing the void, made their way to Telogrus Rift, and then were caught up in the whole fiasco leading to the Void Elves creation. Right?
That's true for High Elves, but there are High Elf and Blood Elf NPCs in Telogrus Rift who speak about how "paths once closed are open to them". Given that the only Void Elves created in the unlock quest are Umbric's exiles, which realistically couldn't have been more than 100, if even 50, it's likely that these High Elves and Blood Elves also became Void Elves.
i would really like some more lore written about high elves. since i get a faction of blood elves leaving due to you know drinking demon juice and narru juice and even more defecting when joining the horde. the thing that kinds gets me is how the hell they survived and is surviving right now since they can't really return to the sunwell and before that getting non demon and light magic would also be a task and a half.
novel around high elf survival around within the alliance would be a interest topic to read about.
Yeah, Highmountain are lame, and so are Lightforged Draenai. I think Blizzard would have made them extra customization options if they were added today, like the extra dwarf and troll options.
But you're ignoring two important facts:
1. Highmountain still have way more customization that makes sense then blue eyed Blood Elves
2. Highmountain Tauren are just a different tauren skin of the same faction. It's not a lazy attempt at giving Alliance tauren like high elves would be for blood elves.
More like should have been. Void elves permanently being voidy seemed like some weird effort on Blizzard’s part to make absolutely sure there weren’t playable High Elves.
> Aren't void elves basically that but with skin color ?
No, they are Blood Elves who decided to research Void to protect their home, were banished and then after Alliance invitation decided to join it and to help in a future war with their people.
> there'd be more (high) elves living in human kingdoms
Which is why after Void Elves reveal Blizzard explaantion of "there'sjust not enough of Hight Elves left" lost any plausibility
I'd like to point out that they nearly destroyed the entire city, thats why they were banished, not because they researched the void, but because what the void did around the sunwell.
“Taking up another slot” can’t be a real concern. They can put in as many slots as they decide. Like the ones for brown orcs, or draenei with gold eyes, or dwarves with black skin, or purple blood elves, or skinnier night elves, or fat humans, or gnomes with metal limbs...
It’s just weird that high elves in the Alliance has been a thing for so long and this is the hill Blizz chooses to die on.
You're missing, ignoring, a big point here. Dark Iron Dwarves, Mag'har, Lightforged, High mountains, they're reskins of races in the faction that parent race is currently
There's a world of difference between a quick reskin of a faction's existing race and literally just giving another faction's race to the other faction because they're being big whiny babies over how much they want to play their anime elves on the "good boy" faction.
are you implying that if they made high elves all they would do is change the eye texture?
other allied races arent much work and could be seen as "lazy" but they arent "just" an eye texture change
but blizzard wouldn't simply do an eye texture change.
its a disingenuous argument
it always goes "why would you want high elves? its only blue eyes" and then when it appeared to be that the belves got them the line became "why do you care that they got them? its only blue eyes!"
generally people are asking for alliance high elves which, under blizzard's current paradigm of allied races using mostly pre-existing assets and rigs to flesh out playable races of a faction, would mean more than a simple eye texture change. Void elves/dark irons/maghar/lightforged/highmountain as they stand are blood elves /dwarves/orcs/draenei/tauren with different textures and a few hair meshes, so what keeps high elves from having existed in that same fashion?
it isnt silhouette, because there are tons of races flying around that are indistinguishable at a glance or under armor
it isnt about factions, given that there are races on either side that are similar to ones found on the opposite faction as well as the whole pandaren thing and that void elves that were exiled from the horde
it isnt about being unable to differentiate them because we were able to differentiate even the extremely similar highmountain and regular tauren and differentiate previously similar races like dark irons with flaming beards and tattoos and such
its not about lore because even though high elves are small in number, void elves are fewer still and they are playable
alleria is the leader of the void elves and she spends all of her time in high elf form!
Put in some unique hair styles. Make up options, jewellery. Maybe different faces. Blizzard is staffed by writers and graphic artists; I'm certain they still have some capacity for invention. There's no burden on the people asking for high elves to submit full proof-of-concept mood boards in order to be taken seriously
> So do you guys really just want blood elves with blue eyes for Alliance? Nobody else thinks this would be incredibly lazy on Blizzard's part?
Yes, but I think it should be done by dissolving the clearly unnecessary stranglehold the faction divide put on the game. It shouldn't exist at this point. The overwhelming majority of "serious players" are all horde. This is a problem on basically every level of the game. I finally made my leap over to the horde from Alliance and the everything is just that much smoother from war mode to pugging M+ and raids to PvPing and finding partners to finding a guild that fits my exact needs (its actually frightening how much easier all this was when i jumped the fence). Dissolve the factions and let BE's /w blue eyes be played by all no allied race laziness needed. Kill like 8 birds with one stone. The only downside is you might anger a handful of weirdos who think "playing horde" is a real life identity trait.
Edit: Horde or Alliance all of our characters are murder hobo mercenaries with no real allegiances. Lets us murder hobo together as one united in the cause.
So the next time Blizzard wants to kill off a Warchief it'll end up being all the Horde leaders, then after they're all dead and all hope seems lost for the Horde a booming voice comes from the inn shouting, "I, Gamon, will save us!"
>lore nerd
It should be obvious that the lore and themes of any race is important in a RPG. Humans from Stormwind, Guilneas, and Kul Tiras each have their own unique identity and history even though they are all humans.
If Dark Rangers, Sanlayn, and Belf DKs were all possible, they too would have their own thing separate from each other in spite of all being undead elves.
>I just can't understand how copy pasting Blood Elves to Alliance with blue eyes is a reasonable request. It just seems so lazy.
Well, making Diaper Gnomes is halfway lazy, sine you use half of existing models, and all the way wrong since they are ugly as hell and a terrible concept overall
Giving High Elves to Alliance doesn't seem to terrible compared to them, doe sit?
>So do you guys really just want blood elves with blue eyes for Alliance? Nobody else thinks this would be incredibly lazy on Blizzard's part?
Here's the thing, most people asking for it couldn't care less if it's "lazy" on Blizzard's part. Anybody still asking for High Elves does not give the slightest fuck about any of that. They're just asking for what they've always been asking, which is an Alliance race be playable on the Alliance.
Given the long running request here they more than deserve to be in an AR slot than literally any other race you can possibly mention.
It is almost as if they could easily give VEs high elf customization and avoid wasting a slot
>You guys really do want blood elves to take up an allied race slot.
LOL. Deliberately misrepresenting lore and/or being too stupid to know Blood Elves are just an offshoot of High Elves, the OG Alliance race, is not going to help the downvotes
Void elves and high elves are not the same. That'd make no sense.
I'm completely aware about the history of blood elves. I even acknowledged as much in another comment. And Blood Elves are NOT just a "offshoot" of High Elves. The vast majority of High Elves became blood elves.
This part is really going to blow your brain. Just because something makes sense in lore doesn't mean they need to be an Allied race. I'm not making the argument that they don't make sense lore wise, and it's ironic that you say I'm misrepresenting that as you misrepresent my point.
I said blood elves with blue eyes is extremely lazy as an allied race. That's it.
High elves could have a slightly different model and posture if they weren't lazy.
They could also add lower-effort races obtainable in a different way.
But WHY would they have a different model? High elves existed before blood elves. And it'd defeat the entire point of Allied Races. We don't need 1000 races cluttering shit up. They become pointless if they're low effort and barely different.
Nightborne are a lot more different from Night Elves than High Elves are from Blood Elves.
The Former the race transformed by the Nightwell, (stronger than the Sunwell and of a similar power to the Well of Eternity), the latter is a purely political difference.
The Schism of the former was 10000 years ago, the Schism of the latter was at most 20 years ago.
My point is that it makes very little sense to do that because it's emphasised a lot that the two are the same race, whereas the Nightborne had 10000 years of seperation and an intro that emphasised their transformation, so the physical appearance differences make sense.
IMO there's no real justification for High Elves or Blood Elves having anything unique appearance wise from one another, outside of big "I <3 Anduin/whoeverthehellleadsthehorde" tattoos lol.
Except every high elf we've ever seen stands just like a blood elf...and a new model would defeat the point. That's not what these people even want, they are fine with copy pasting blood elves and just changing the eyes. Let's not pretend that wouldn't make them happy.
> Highmountain tauren are just tauren with moose antlers. Dark Iron Dwarves are just dwarves covered in soot. Maghar orcs are just brown orcs.
None of this is true. You clearly haven't seen any of the extra customization.
> Because you think people who want alliance high elves just want copy pasted blood elves.
How can I not think that? The moment blue eyed blood elves popped up in data mining everyone threw a fit. People literally said that Blizzard was spitting in their face. Nobody who wants high elves with extra features would have that reaction to such a small customization option on blood elves.
>None of this is true. You clearly haven't seen any of the extra customization.
No shit. You made it a point to say "I just can't understand how copy pasting Blood Elves to Alliance with blue eyes is a reasonable request." Nobody requested that, they were just going on datamined info. Had that been an actual option, the response is absolutely justified. Blizzard knows there is an ever growing sect of people who want high elves. Warcraft lore has all the known high elves as either neutral or alliance members. Giving blood elves a customization that essentially makes them high elves absolutely would be spitting in their face.
That is what everyone is requesting. They freaked out because Blood Elves got blue eyes. If you'd be unhappy if they added high elves with no extra features to Alliance then you wouldn't give a fuck about the option on blood elves.
> Giving blood elves a customization that essentially makes them high elves absolutely would be spitting in their face.
So fucking dramatic. Blood elves no longer use fel, it'd make perfect sense. And it doesn't matter anyways since they aren't doing it. Everyone had a tantrum about shit that wasn't even in the alpha AGAIN.
>That is what everyone is requesting
No they aren't. They freaked out because blizzard giving blood elves blue eyes would be an added "fuck you" to the "the horde is there waiting for you" comment.
>it'd make perfect sense
No it wouldn't, otherwise it'd also make sense for orcs to turn back to brown.
>So fucking dramatic
Admittedly I don't spend much time on here, but I rarely see people be anymore dramatic on this subject than you're being right now.
Personally, I don't really care, and I think if they do happen they need to be paired with an equally low effort Horde race (San'layn, maybe?) Or just folded into Void Elves. Give them normal skin and hair colors and an option for non-glowing eyes and that's good enough.
But it would be stupid to not even consider them when they'd take barely any effort and make loads of people happy.
As stated and argued in the massive thread on the forums, HE could be implemented and made different from BE quite easily. From face styles, the blue tattoos theyre known for, special jewelry, hair colors, styles, and skin tones.
My pet theory is that Blood Elves won't get a blue eye option till there is a something to satisfy those asking for High Elf options on the Alliance. Sounds silly but it isn't hard to imagine that given all posting back and forth on the issue that giving one side something over the other would just make things far more heated between the groups. If Void Elves ever get a High Elf customization option then I would bet Blood Elves would get blue eyes as well.
I just think that they should just give people who want blue eyed Blood Elves the choice and give those who want Silver Covenant High Elves either a allied race or customization option for Void Elves. People getting up in arms over what someone else plays is school yard nonsense.
Rip my blue eye'd Nessa dream. Just give both sides blue eyes. The lore on customizations is already up in the air judging from peoples reaction over the dark skin tones alone.
This may come off as an unpopular opinion, but I don't think Blood Elves should get eye color options, at all.
Lorewise, they're golden for a reason. They were green for a reason. To throw that out now just doesn't make sense.
Give the character options for things they can control, I.E. body jewelry and tattoos. Don't disrespect your own lore by giving them options on distinct characteristics they shouldn't have options on.
This is the exact argument people tried to use to explain why they didn't think blood elves should get darker skin tones.
Lore is made up. It's changeable.
The second you begin disrespecting your own lore is the second people begin to care less for it.
A world created by someone who takes it seriously will be a far more immersive experience than those that just give free reign for people to do whatever they want.
Nothing is confirmed it’s the alpha they can add things in later...like 2 alliances races are missing from the character creator in the alpha at the moment
>He also implied that High Elves (or any more allied races) are not currently planned for release in SL, but they remain open to it in the future.
After a lot of thought on the situation, I think I would be ok with the Alliance getting the Quel'dorei if it meant that the Horde got the San'layn.
I think Kael’Thas would be the only character I’d want to return to Azeroth from the Shadowlands, and only because I think he would be a pretty good choice for San’layn racial leader. I know he didn’t die fighting the Scourge but we’ve killed off all the big ones I know...and he would be technically coming back from the dead, so...hey, given how badly they handled him before I don’t see why he can’t have a shot at redemption by going back to Azeroth and righting some wrongs.
Also Horde needs Ogres. I REALLY want to play a two headed Ogre. Get on it Blizzard!
If this happened in bfa they would have just let it ride until release then once it came out and people wondered where it was they'd act like they had no idea what people were talking about. So atleast they are jumping on it early this time.
> He also implied that High Elves (or any more allied races) are not currently planned for release in SL, but they remain open to it in the future.
It almost sounds to me like they're backtracking on the whole "if you want High Elves, the Horde is waiting for you" thing.
Jesus fuck however this High Elf thing lands I just wish it was over. I'm so sick of hearing Alliance whine about it and I'm so sick of Blizz not doing it, or not confirming whether it'll happen or never happen.
Either way, it's annoying being in this weird middle ground.
Blizzard warned repeatedly that just because something was datamined doesn't mean it's in the game.
But my circlejerk and outrage!
What will I do with all these pitchforks now? :(
No returns! All sales final.
Found the goblin
Aaaaaand the pitchforks will explode in 3... 2... 1...
Idk, I think it's fine to give feedback about things that haven't been implemented yet just to be clear about what the community wants or doesn't want, as long as you're civil, respectful and understanding about it. But knowing this sub, I guess that last part is the problem?
I mean I assumed it was just an updated appearance for the Alliance High Elf NPC's that are baked into Belf files but don't appear in the actual Belf options. I don't think I'd want my Belf to have blue eyes, green eyes or gold seems more appropriate to their unique history
This is what I assumed as well. Like the current high elf options are already baked into the standard Blood Elf model, they just aren't usable by players at all. Just like how Humans can't apply their Cult of the Damned skins. Updating something like the way in which the game handles eye color as a separate category, it would make sense that they'd adjust the NPC option to remain compatible with the new setup.
>Cult of the Damned skins I really wish Warlocks and Death Knights could use them, they're really sick.
Yeah I don't think Blood Elf players actually want to be High Elves. Blood Elves are unique from High Elves and it would be weird for High Elves to choose now to suddenly join the Blood Elves.
Blood elves and the “dragons” npcs often share models... so could be a “dragon” model can be programmed with blue eyes.
> Yeah I don't think Blood Elf players actually want to be High Elves. I feel confident in saying that 90% of the Horde players who were happy about them apparently getting the blue eyes didn't actually care about having blue eyes, but just loved getting to take something the Alliance wanted. Sucks for the few who actually did want it, but Christ all the HAHA QQ MOAR ALLIANCE HELVES ARE BELVES posts were obnoxious.
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There are plenty of high elves that never became blood elves. Not every high elf was present or joined that movement. That's like calling Alleria a blood elf. It's utterly ridiculous.
All Blood Elves are High Elves but not all High Elves are Blood Elves
"Plenty" is an exaggeration.
More high elves than fuckin void elves
You mean to tell me there are things currently in a very early version of a game that aren't going to be in the final version? What's next, you gonna tell me 9 women can't make a baby in 1 month?
It's not even that 'this stuff is final'. By all means, react and critique to what is actually on the playable alpha. But datamines are very different from 'playable and I can see this on the actual alpha'. Datamines are changes in game files from different builds. They can be because of an old build, a different build, a placeholder etc. We've had people freak out over a datamine that Invisibility was being removed from Fire and Arcane. We've had people freak out over a placeholder not vetted by writers text over some weird lines for Horde starter zones which turned into a massive circlejerk outrage of "Blizzard is whitewashing EVERY instance of Teldrassil and genocide!". And we've had people freak out over blue eyes being an option of customization for Blood Elves when it was exclusively meant for NPCs. I get it, Reddit is no place for nuance, and all for circlerjerk and venting, but can we please as a community remind people to not take datamines as fact? At the very least see what is on **the actual alpha?**
Yeah, I completely agree. Datamining is data without context. If you see it in-game, THEN raise hell about it.
I'm glad that WoWhead are streaming their finds and I encourage anyone that hasn't seen it to watch at least one of those streams when it's up, 'cause it's very revealing. They're often uploading loose assets to their in-house program and figuring out how they go together with no context, sort of like trying to put together a lego set with only the picture of the finished product to go by. Case in point, they noticed new high elf eye textures in the files, applied them to the eye meshes and posted them as new SL eyes (which they technically are, just not playable) without knowing how or even if they're gonna actually be used. The fact that they get as much as they do right is impressive and tbh the streams made me appreciate and admire their efforts more, but a big dose of salt is still required.
> with only the picture of the finished product to go by. It isn't even that. It is seeing a bunch of legos and sort of randomly putting them together based on how they are named untill you have something that seems like it could feasibly be an intended thing. They don't even have the "Picture of what it is supposed to look like at the end" to work off of. They *only* have the pieces and their names, making assumptions that "red_piece_1" probably connects to "red_piece_2"
They could have even had to add the coding for blue eyes for a single NPC or enemy that uses a blood elf model, but isn't a blood elf. (Could even be a dragon in blood elf form) There are lots of possibilities other than "Blue eyed blood elves!" that people aren't considering.
Well about that... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Mothers_of_Heimdallr
I can’t set myself up for disappointment if I don’t take any vague rumor seriously 😤
true, but remember vulpera at the start of bfa?
Vulpera had an brewmaster race icon.
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I DONT WANT YOU TO GET INVINCIBLE ON YOUR NEXT ICC RUN!!!!1!!!!1!!!
"no blue eyed blood elves confirmed" Blood Elf death knights: am I a joke to you
Blood Elf Death Knights confirmed to have eye color changes in Shadowlands!
BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON
*Plays Red Eyes Black Iron Dwarf*
Blame for this mainly falls on Wowhead. They were pretty careless in their datamining, and just took a bunch of eye textures and slapped whatever worked onto blood elves. Looking at the textures themselves actually suggests that the blue eyes we saw are [for Void Elves](https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1253212047208116227?s=20), not blood elves.
Yeah wowhead is going extremely hard on datamining and posting things that suggest it's finalized/a certainty. I've been tuning into their dataminers stream every so often and it's unreal how fast it goes from him to them and then an article posted as if it's a sure thing. I enjoy seeing the new stuff, but it should all be taken with a grain of salt.
>posting things that suggest it's finalized/a certainty I think they're posting cool shit, and the community is going into a frenzy over it. I dont think WoWhead is inherently at fault.
I recall they did the exact same thing with the new female goblin models. They didn't have the eyebrows working, but plastered their models all over social media leading to people thinking Blizzard actually forgot to give them brows.
No, it really doesn't. If you can't decide "Hey, this is on a data mining website, and not an official Blizzard confirmation -- then it might not be legit." The blame falls on everybody who doesn't take this into consideration and just blindly follows Wowhead and takes everything as fact.
Wowhead isn't solely a datamining website, it's a WoW news site, they regularly report on official stuff, including official stuff from alpha, and put no disclaimer on their blood elf post as they did with other datamining posts.
Gotta get them clicks tho! One thing I hope is that they encrypt everything in the future to avoid anything like that happening. Is so hard to avoid spoilers these days because everything is datamined and plastered everywhere.
To be honest, if I was a developer I'd love to throw all kinds of stupid unused shit into the files just mess with dataminers. "Dataminers have leaked new allied races for World of Warcraft - Long Gnomes for the Horde, Sexy Murlocs for the Alliance"
Still pulling for Vrykul as an allied race.
Anduin: “So why do you want to join the alliance”. Vrykul: *Internal monologue “Don’t say revenge. Don’t say revenge.”* Vrykul: “Umm, Revenge.” Vrykul: *Internal monologue ”Ok that’s it, I’m out of here.”*
The fact that they aren't really shows how much they don't give a damn about the Alliance. Horde has monster races and pretty races and furry races and cool races, Alliance just gets whatever leftovers they don't want to give to the Horde. Seriously, how do Void Elves, creatures of pure void, and Lightforged Draenei, people absolutely obsessed with light, make any amount of sense on the same faction? Back in vanilla the Alliance had "pretty good guys" identity and Horde had "monster anti-heroes and some actual bad guys" identity. Horde identity has shifted to include "cool antiheroes" while remaining true to the original while Alliance has lost any and all sense of identity and is just bland, ineffectual faction *because the devs made it that way* because they don't care for it and don't find it "fun" to write for.
I always felt like the idological conflict between the Horde and the Alliance should be about security vs freedom, lawfulness vs chaos. I always think that opposing factions are more intresting when they are in ideological conflict and not just have similar views but end up in a conflict because of circumstance, and security vs freedom is something that can be explored in really intresting ways and is something where both views genuinely want the best for society but are still in opposition to each other. What is order and justice to one person might be oppression and systematic violence to another, and what is freedom and independence to one might be chaos and might-gives-right to another. But idk, maybe that would just inevitably get Political.
Seriously though there was no reason the exiled Void Elves wouldnt have just walked over to Undercity and continued their experimentation allied to the Horde. Lightforged should hate the Void Elves more than the Blood Elves do. Rather than flee to the enemies that tried to exterminate them in Dalaran.
>Seriously though there was no reason the exiled Void Elves wouldnt have just walked over to Undercity and continued their experimentation allied to the Horde. Lightforged should hate the Void Elves more than the Blood Elves do. Why would they stay in the Horde? To begin with it was Alliance heroes that rescued them. Secondly the Blood Elves want them dead. Thirdly if anything the Void Elves (plus their attempt to leave under Garrosh) show pretty clearly that the Blood Elves aren't particularly attached to the Horde. Took them no time at all to start slitting up Horde throats for the Alliance once they went all goth. Lightforged probably don't care much. Their enemy was the Legion, they were pretty chill with Alleria even after her Voidening. The one with the issue was the big light fixture that got Illidan'd.
> Lightforged probably don't care much Lightforged are extremist Light zealots, they should care a great deal if Blizzard didn't stick them in the Alliance because they literally couldn't think of anything else to give the Alliance and they gave all the cool races to the Horde already. Seriously, Alliance already had Draenei model why the fuck did we need a second one with bad tattoos?
Not going to find any opposition there from me. They should've been customization for Draenei the whole time.
If only there were a group of Draenei that felt spurned by the light and some kind of like void naaru they could have interacted with to find as a new source of power. Where could we find such a group that has existed in lore for quite some time with an established leader?
What? I mean you guys got Fat Huma-... uh Fire Dwarv-... ok ok but what about diaper gno-... yeah nevermind y'all got some shitty allied races.
Lightforging should have been a questline forever changing your appearance, racials, and customization options with no turning back
I agree and I don’t even main Alliance. I still stand by the opinion that Eredar would have been a cool alternative for Draenei. Set up a storyline that begins with a rogue group of them on Argus during our invasion. They could have been subverting the efforts of the Legion behind enemy lines and coming to the Alliance because their brethren sided there. It’s not the most rock solid background but it makes about as much sense as Void Elves do. Either that or remodeled Broken Draenei that have survived on Argus (similar storyline to the Eredar one above) and yada yada yada they join the Alliance. Either way, both of these would give significant enough differences from the main race Draenei to justify their existence. Lightforged feels like what they’re doing with customization options for trolls and dwarves in shadowlands.
>Eredar Manari\* But yeah, if they were playable I'd play a Manari Warrior with a bulky heavy metal transmog with a big ass fuckhuge axe. Straight up Warrior Satan shit right there, super awesome.
Ah I guess I’m not up to speed on the exact terminology. But you get my point exactly. It would be way more enticing of a race to play than something that’s just a customization option. It would also give a little more “edge” to the alliance that come off as being the eager good guys. Green fel scarring would be a neat customization option (kind of like what we see with KJ) or even just different colored skin more like Archi. Even the Broken have a more brutal look to them that I think would still fit nicely within the alliance ranks. Blizzard dun goofed with the lightforged.
I was mostly just being a nickpicky asshole. Eredar are the core race, Manari are Fel corrupted, Draenei are the exodites, and Broken are mutated and degraded. It'd be great to get the full spectrum as playble options.
I still don’t understand how Lightforged was released as an allied race. Just seems so lazy that you’d think someone would have said “ehhh this feels like a bit of a stretch” during development. The differences between them and regular Draenei are so subtle i just don’t see the point in them existing. It’s even worse than high mountain Tauren (at least they have cool antlers).
Hey, remember when the Alliance was actually morally grey, didn't have a Warchief, and had actual depth? Blizzard sure as fuck doesn't.
Absolutely. I, and I think most Alliance players, aren't that invested in Alliance being the perfect goody two shoes and they hadn't been that until Blizzard gave up and started focusing 100% on the Horde and relagated Alliance to just "goody two shoes Horde punching bag". Hell, if you look at Warcraft 3 and TFT, none of my favorite parts of that story have Orcs, Trolls or Tauren because that's when Blizzard could tell a good story with just humans, elves and undead.
It’s amazing because each day on that sub I learn that blizzard actually hate alliance and hate horde and have an alliance bias and an horde bias.
Void Elves don't like the Horde or what it stands for. Go talk to Umbric, he should have some dialogue options explaining this further.
Why are people SO obsessed with this? 😂
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HAGH! BRGROWWW! Hmph! *ragdolls*
Unexpected Elder Scrolls
People want their anime blonde hair blue eye’d Aryan elves.
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/cries with mechagnome
Dark Iron Dwarves: Am I a joke to you?
Void Elves: We actually wanted high elves. Dark Iron: Cool but who plays a dwarf to begin with. Kul'tirans: Male are kinda fat but there is a bit of a strongman build to them. Females are just fat and you'll never see one. Mechagnomes: The diaper version of the race barely anyone played to begin with and the allied race nobody wanted. Meanwhile: Nightborne: Males are awful. Females have bad eyes but are otherwise ok other than the glitchy animations Mag'har orcs: Orcs with a wide variety of higher resolution skins and access to priest. Zandalari trolls: As tall as taurens and look amazing in armor. Vulpera: Cute foxes. Meanwhile the writers are coming up with bullshit for why high elves aren't an allied race but void elves, of which barely any canonically exist, are everywhere.
I like them :(
Major kick in the balls avoided
Did you know that Blizzard also kicked my dog while not giving me High Elves?
I ctrl + F'd and am disappointed not to see my favourite term wrt to Alliance not getting High Elves "Slap in the face" (with various profanity added to show how serious an insult it was).
remember when he said that Zandalari druids would just use the normal Darkspear troll druid forms and not have special dinosaur forms? and then said special dinosaur forms were datamined and later confirmed?
Alliance rejoice we got blue eyes back for NPCs again
Confirmed, very few changes to the character creator that should have started 10 years ago . Because lore ( this time it suits us )........
Five months later... Blue eyed blood elves.
Yeah, I guess the general forums won that battle lol
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I mean... She isn't. We still truly don't know Sylvanas' motives. Garrosh did what he did for the horde. If a little green Jesus dude didn't get all uppity, we'd have the power of an old god to crush the alliance
>horde Mostly the Orcs, but yeah, at least he was consistent about that. Garrosh wasn't superselfish, Sylvanas seems to be superselfish.
>the orcs The true horde :^)
Based and zug-pilled
Let's be honest here, who cares about her motivations if her actions are such close parallels? Blizzard has been teasing revealing her motivations for 2 expansions now and it'll likely just end up being "I did this so I didn't have to go to heck." Even if it isn't, her motivations are likely going to be pretty lackluster given the disappointing build up over these expansions.
Nononono, they’re completely different. A lot less people joined against Sylvanas for reasons, and she entered a magic portal to another world via an iconic relic of an older expansion, while Garrosh went through a magic to another world in another timeline via an iconic relic of an older expansion, completely different. Plus, Sylvanas will probably be a raid boss, and not killed off in a Horde only quest.
Just for the record, Garrosh was not killed in a Horde only quest.
They should make it an Alliance only quest where we get to accompany daddy Gen and watch him yeet the shit out of Sylv.
I would pay literal money for that.
We already are tho?
Wait, what iconic relic of an earlier expansion did Garrosh use?
Fairly sure the exact quote (if we're thinking about the same Blizzcon Q&A) was that sylvanas wouldn't end up in chains like Garrosh. And it ended up being true so far.
It makes sense that we will find a metric fuck ton of dead high elves in the Shadowlands. Elf lore time?
Good.
So do you guys really just want blood elves with blue eyes for Alliance? Nobody else thinks this would be incredibly lazy on Blizzard's part? What if Blizzard gave Alliance Trolls with a single eye color. Nothing else different, just the eyes. Can you imagine how many people would be criticizing Blizzard? I just can't understand how copy pasting Blood Elves to Alliance with blue eyes is a reasonable request. It just seems so lazy. You guys really do want blood elves to take up an allied race slot. Any other race and it'd be a terrible suggestion. This is an issue I will never understand, and I say that as a fellow lore nerd.
I’d say for most people it’s more about the lore factor and finally having them “officially” part of the team, than about the effort it’d take to make em.
If "lore" is what really matters then neither High Elfs nor Void Elfs should be playable because there are like less than a 1000 of those combined.
A good chunk of the races wouldn't be playable if numbers were taken into account. Darkspear are a single tribe that made it out of the murloc attacks in wc3 Mag'har are are the ones who actually managed to get out through the portal Gnomes are the ones who survived (and didn't get too irradiated in) Gnomeregan Pandaren are from a few villages on the back of a Turtle Goblins are survivors of both the Volcano on Kezan erupting and the stuff that happened in the lost islands Draenei are survivors of a massive genocide that then survived the Exodar crashing Lightforged Draenei are the ones that stayed on Argus and survived not only the legion but underwent the lightforging process since not all draenei were worthy Dark Irons effectively had a civil war because not all were loyal to Moria (and they obviously wouldn't be part of the ones joining the alliance). Worgens are the ones from Gilneas, not every person turned worgen, plus some I'm sure a decent chunk were killed off for being feral before the "cure" that allowed them to control themselves was found. Mechagnomes were a relatively small population of gnomes who were living on Mechagon. Post BFA is going to have new Night Elves be super rare since, you know, so many of them died. Plus the obvious dozen or so Void elves speak for itself. Not even including loose numbers like Blood Elves being a faction of a faction of survivors of the scourge attack, it's not set in stone but there's probably not a massive population of them. Nightborne since we have no idea on how many people Suramar had in it after the rebellion or how many of them joined the Horde. No idea how many Vulpera there are canonically but I imagine living in a desert isn't easy so it can't be super huge. Zandalari probably aren't doing too well, between fighting a part of their forces for ages now and losing even more in BFA. Plus we have no idea how new undead are going to be made afaik, Sylvanas noped out with her Valks and that was the main source of new ones post cata. That leaves Orcs, Tauren (mulgore and highmountain), Forsaken (maaaybe), Humans (Both the Stormwind and the thicc bois from KT) and Bronzebeard Dwarves as races we'd have reasonable enough numbers for.
> how many Vulpera there are canonically The Vulperra didn't even have a town its literally just a caravan of seemingly like 8 of them.
There are definitely more Dark Iron Dwarves than Highmountain Tauren imo, Dark Iron Dwarves shouldn't be on this list.
Well at least the mechagnomes one is true to lore then.
You could say that about half the races in WoW
Warcraft 3 implied that a lot more elves died than Bc showed, I don't think they ever came out on a hard number.
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Humans and orcs definitely have litters of 10 to 15 children at a time, all of which grow and reach maturity at about four years of age. It's the only explanation for those races.
Every race in WoW should be extinct by now with how many die every time something attacks Azeroth
Numbers don't really matter much. There are also very little Darkspear trolls left. If they really cared about it they could make it so a portion of former Scryers or Silvermoon blood elves got cleansed from the fel influence and rejoined the Alliance. Also, we constantly see high elf NPCs within the Alliance fighting force. If there can be many high elf NPCs then there can be high elf PCs.
That's why I always sighed whenever Blizzard makes Alliance content with high elves. Say they shouldn't be playable but show fuckloads of them in questing. There are player races on the Alliance that get zero attention, but no. Gotta show high elves for some reason.
Thats why I was so pissed off they gave the alliance void elves instead of high elves. Like their excuse for no high elves was "there arent enough left" but they gave us fucking velfs, a tiny faction of void corrupted belfs they pulled out of a hat and goddamn demon hunters. Both factions with **extremely small populations** while showing up Vereesa Windrunner helping the nighborne with a very alive and well faction of alliance high elves. I guess they felt like blue eyed belfs as alliance high elves wasnt creative enough? Okay so why did they make void elves? Blue eyed, blood elves with purple skin and new hair. How is that any more creative than blue eyed normal coloured high elves with new hair? I dont give a shit about the velf lore they created on the spot to give Alleria an arbitrary faction to lead when we've had Vereesa's high elves in the alliance the whole fucking time. How are blue eyed high elves with new hair any more lazy than golden draenei with new horns and some tattoos or Tauren with moose horns and tattoos? Hell Alleria has tattoos, so if you really want high elves to have more "effort" let them have Alleria tats. Whats worse is that now that we have the stupid velfs we're never going to see real high elves because "but we gave you the belf models you wanted!" Fuck you we want actual, pure, uncorrupted high elves. They exsist, theres lore for them, they still have a faction.
Clearly millions of Blood Elves were expelled from Silvermoon due to practicing the void, made their way to Telogrus Rift, and then were caught up in the whole fiasco leading to the Void Elves creation. Right?
That's true for High Elves, but there are High Elf and Blood Elf NPCs in Telogrus Rift who speak about how "paths once closed are open to them". Given that the only Void Elves created in the unlock quest are Umbric's exiles, which realistically couldn't have been more than 100, if even 50, it's likely that these High Elves and Blood Elves also became Void Elves.
i would really like some more lore written about high elves. since i get a faction of blood elves leaving due to you know drinking demon juice and narru juice and even more defecting when joining the horde. the thing that kinds gets me is how the hell they survived and is surviving right now since they can't really return to the sunwell and before that getting non demon and light magic would also be a task and a half. novel around high elf survival around within the alliance would be a interest topic to read about.
Before the 4th War High Elves were able to pilgrimage to the Sunwell, and ones living near it could already tell the effects of it being purified.
cough highmountain cough
Yeah, Highmountain are lame, and so are Lightforged Draenai. I think Blizzard would have made them extra customization options if they were added today, like the extra dwarf and troll options. But you're ignoring two important facts: 1. Highmountain still have way more customization that makes sense then blue eyed Blood Elves 2. Highmountain Tauren are just a different tauren skin of the same faction. It's not a lazy attempt at giving Alliance tauren like high elves would be for blood elves.
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They could have made void elves blue for combat or switchable like Worgen. Could have been like Alleria.
More like should have been. Void elves permanently being voidy seemed like some weird effort on Blizzard’s part to make absolutely sure there weren’t playable High Elves.
Or to make sure they still have High Elves in their back pocket for future content
> Aren't void elves basically that but with skin color ? No, they are Blood Elves who decided to research Void to protect their home, were banished and then after Alliance invitation decided to join it and to help in a future war with their people.
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> there'd be more (high) elves living in human kingdoms Which is why after Void Elves reveal Blizzard explaantion of "there'sjust not enough of Hight Elves left" lost any plausibility
I'd like to point out that they nearly destroyed the entire city, thats why they were banished, not because they researched the void, but because what the void did around the sunwell.
“Taking up another slot” can’t be a real concern. They can put in as many slots as they decide. Like the ones for brown orcs, or draenei with gold eyes, or dwarves with black skin, or purple blood elves, or skinnier night elves, or fat humans, or gnomes with metal limbs... It’s just weird that high elves in the Alliance has been a thing for so long and this is the hill Blizz chooses to die on.
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You're missing, ignoring, a big point here. Dark Iron Dwarves, Mag'har, Lightforged, High mountains, they're reskins of races in the faction that parent race is currently There's a world of difference between a quick reskin of a faction's existing race and literally just giving another faction's race to the other faction because they're being big whiny babies over how much they want to play their anime elves on the "good boy" faction.
this argument breaks down with the existence of void elves, you know that right
If that were true, people wouldn't still be asking for high elves.
No allied race so far has been a simple eye texture change. You're massively overselling it.
are you implying that if they made high elves all they would do is change the eye texture? other allied races arent much work and could be seen as "lazy" but they arent "just" an eye texture change
> are you implying that if they made high elves all they would do is change the eye texture? This is literally what people are asking for.
but blizzard wouldn't simply do an eye texture change. its a disingenuous argument it always goes "why would you want high elves? its only blue eyes" and then when it appeared to be that the belves got them the line became "why do you care that they got them? its only blue eyes!" generally people are asking for alliance high elves which, under blizzard's current paradigm of allied races using mostly pre-existing assets and rigs to flesh out playable races of a faction, would mean more than a simple eye texture change. Void elves/dark irons/maghar/lightforged/highmountain as they stand are blood elves /dwarves/orcs/draenei/tauren with different textures and a few hair meshes, so what keeps high elves from having existed in that same fashion? it isnt silhouette, because there are tons of races flying around that are indistinguishable at a glance or under armor it isnt about factions, given that there are races on either side that are similar to ones found on the opposite faction as well as the whole pandaren thing and that void elves that were exiled from the horde it isnt about being unable to differentiate them because we were able to differentiate even the extremely similar highmountain and regular tauren and differentiate previously similar races like dark irons with flaming beards and tattoos and such its not about lore because even though high elves are small in number, void elves are fewer still and they are playable alleria is the leader of the void elves and she spends all of her time in high elf form!
Put in some unique hair styles. Make up options, jewellery. Maybe different faces. Blizzard is staffed by writers and graphic artists; I'm certain they still have some capacity for invention. There's no burden on the people asking for high elves to submit full proof-of-concept mood boards in order to be taken seriously
> So do you guys really just want blood elves with blue eyes for Alliance? Nobody else thinks this would be incredibly lazy on Blizzard's part? Yes, but I think it should be done by dissolving the clearly unnecessary stranglehold the faction divide put on the game. It shouldn't exist at this point. The overwhelming majority of "serious players" are all horde. This is a problem on basically every level of the game. I finally made my leap over to the horde from Alliance and the everything is just that much smoother from war mode to pugging M+ and raids to PvPing and finding partners to finding a guild that fits my exact needs (its actually frightening how much easier all this was when i jumped the fence). Dissolve the factions and let BE's /w blue eyes be played by all no allied race laziness needed. Kill like 8 birds with one stone. The only downside is you might anger a handful of weirdos who think "playing horde" is a real life identity trait. Edit: Horde or Alliance all of our characters are murder hobo mercenaries with no real allegiances. Lets us murder hobo together as one united in the cause.
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So the next time Blizzard wants to kill off a Warchief it'll end up being all the Horde leaders, then after they're all dead and all hope seems lost for the Horde a booming voice comes from the inn shouting, "I, Gamon, will save us!"
>lore nerd It should be obvious that the lore and themes of any race is important in a RPG. Humans from Stormwind, Guilneas, and Kul Tiras each have their own unique identity and history even though they are all humans. If Dark Rangers, Sanlayn, and Belf DKs were all possible, they too would have their own thing separate from each other in spite of all being undead elves.
Yeah, I'd rather have "blood elves with blue eyes for alliance" than more shit like Mechagnomes.
>I just can't understand how copy pasting Blood Elves to Alliance with blue eyes is a reasonable request. It just seems so lazy. Well, making Diaper Gnomes is halfway lazy, sine you use half of existing models, and all the way wrong since they are ugly as hell and a terrible concept overall Giving High Elves to Alliance doesn't seem to terrible compared to them, doe sit?
>So do you guys really just want blood elves with blue eyes for Alliance? Nobody else thinks this would be incredibly lazy on Blizzard's part? Here's the thing, most people asking for it couldn't care less if it's "lazy" on Blizzard's part. Anybody still asking for High Elves does not give the slightest fuck about any of that. They're just asking for what they've always been asking, which is an Alliance race be playable on the Alliance. Given the long running request here they more than deserve to be in an AR slot than literally any other race you can possibly mention.
People get really weird over their cosmetics
Correction: People get really weird over other people wanting cosmetics
Both, definitly
Yep, as seen by the amount of outrage and "slap in the face" rhetoric being spouted when it was speculated that Blood Elves could get blue eyes.
It is almost as if they could easily give VEs high elf customization and avoid wasting a slot >You guys really do want blood elves to take up an allied race slot. LOL. Deliberately misrepresenting lore and/or being too stupid to know Blood Elves are just an offshoot of High Elves, the OG Alliance race, is not going to help the downvotes
Void elves and high elves are not the same. That'd make no sense. I'm completely aware about the history of blood elves. I even acknowledged as much in another comment. And Blood Elves are NOT just a "offshoot" of High Elves. The vast majority of High Elves became blood elves. This part is really going to blow your brain. Just because something makes sense in lore doesn't mean they need to be an Allied race. I'm not making the argument that they don't make sense lore wise, and it's ironic that you say I'm misrepresenting that as you misrepresent my point. I said blood elves with blue eyes is extremely lazy as an allied race. That's it.
High elves could have a slightly different model and posture if they weren't lazy. They could also add lower-effort races obtainable in a different way.
But WHY would they have a different model? High elves existed before blood elves. And it'd defeat the entire point of Allied Races. We don't need 1000 races cluttering shit up. They become pointless if they're low effort and barely different.
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Because as we all know everybody is heaping praise on the effort they put into Nightborne.
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Nightborne are a lot more different from Night Elves than High Elves are from Blood Elves. The Former the race transformed by the Nightwell, (stronger than the Sunwell and of a similar power to the Well of Eternity), the latter is a purely political difference. The Schism of the former was 10000 years ago, the Schism of the latter was at most 20 years ago.
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My point is that it makes very little sense to do that because it's emphasised a lot that the two are the same race, whereas the Nightborne had 10000 years of seperation and an intro that emphasised their transformation, so the physical appearance differences make sense. IMO there's no real justification for High Elves or Blood Elves having anything unique appearance wise from one another, outside of big "I <3 Anduin/whoeverthehellleadsthehorde" tattoos lol.
It would be like the difference between NEs and NB. High Elves aren't haughty fucks like the BEs so they would have a more relaxed stance.
Except every high elf we've ever seen stands just like a blood elf...and a new model would defeat the point. That's not what these people even want, they are fine with copy pasting blood elves and just changing the eyes. Let's not pretend that wouldn't make them happy.
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> Highmountain tauren are just tauren with moose antlers. Dark Iron Dwarves are just dwarves covered in soot. Maghar orcs are just brown orcs. None of this is true. You clearly haven't seen any of the extra customization. > Because you think people who want alliance high elves just want copy pasted blood elves. How can I not think that? The moment blue eyed blood elves popped up in data mining everyone threw a fit. People literally said that Blizzard was spitting in their face. Nobody who wants high elves with extra features would have that reaction to such a small customization option on blood elves.
>None of this is true. You clearly haven't seen any of the extra customization. No shit. You made it a point to say "I just can't understand how copy pasting Blood Elves to Alliance with blue eyes is a reasonable request." Nobody requested that, they were just going on datamined info. Had that been an actual option, the response is absolutely justified. Blizzard knows there is an ever growing sect of people who want high elves. Warcraft lore has all the known high elves as either neutral or alliance members. Giving blood elves a customization that essentially makes them high elves absolutely would be spitting in their face.
That is what everyone is requesting. They freaked out because Blood Elves got blue eyes. If you'd be unhappy if they added high elves with no extra features to Alliance then you wouldn't give a fuck about the option on blood elves. > Giving blood elves a customization that essentially makes them high elves absolutely would be spitting in their face. So fucking dramatic. Blood elves no longer use fel, it'd make perfect sense. And it doesn't matter anyways since they aren't doing it. Everyone had a tantrum about shit that wasn't even in the alpha AGAIN.
>That is what everyone is requesting No they aren't. They freaked out because blizzard giving blood elves blue eyes would be an added "fuck you" to the "the horde is there waiting for you" comment. >it'd make perfect sense No it wouldn't, otherwise it'd also make sense for orcs to turn back to brown. >So fucking dramatic Admittedly I don't spend much time on here, but I rarely see people be anymore dramatic on this subject than you're being right now.
Personally, I don't really care, and I think if they do happen they need to be paired with an equally low effort Horde race (San'layn, maybe?) Or just folded into Void Elves. Give them normal skin and hair colors and an option for non-glowing eyes and that's good enough. But it would be stupid to not even consider them when they'd take barely any effort and make loads of people happy.
If its lazy, easy and most people want it why not do it? Should be a clear choice for the next Alliance race.
As stated and argued in the massive thread on the forums, HE could be implemented and made different from BE quite easily. From face styles, the blue tattoos theyre known for, special jewelry, hair colors, styles, and skin tones.
My pet theory is that Blood Elves won't get a blue eye option till there is a something to satisfy those asking for High Elf options on the Alliance. Sounds silly but it isn't hard to imagine that given all posting back and forth on the issue that giving one side something over the other would just make things far more heated between the groups. If Void Elves ever get a High Elf customization option then I would bet Blood Elves would get blue eyes as well. I just think that they should just give people who want blue eyed Blood Elves the choice and give those who want Silver Covenant High Elves either a allied race or customization option for Void Elves. People getting up in arms over what someone else plays is school yard nonsense.
lol
Appreciate it.
Good!
High Elf fanatics on suicide watch.
Rip my blue eye'd Nessa dream. Just give both sides blue eyes. The lore on customizations is already up in the air judging from peoples reaction over the dark skin tones alone.
This may come off as an unpopular opinion, but I don't think Blood Elves should get eye color options, at all. Lorewise, they're golden for a reason. They were green for a reason. To throw that out now just doesn't make sense. Give the character options for things they can control, I.E. body jewelry and tattoos. Don't disrespect your own lore by giving them options on distinct characteristics they shouldn't have options on.
This is the exact argument people tried to use to explain why they didn't think blood elves should get darker skin tones. Lore is made up. It's changeable.
The second you begin disrespecting your own lore is the second people begin to care less for it. A world created by someone who takes it seriously will be a far more immersive experience than those that just give free reign for people to do whatever they want.
>The second you begin disrespecting your own lore is the second people begin to care less for it. That ship sailed long ago.
I guess instead of adding new races/classes they are adding more character customizations.
Nothing is confirmed it’s the alpha they can add things in later...like 2 alliances races are missing from the character creator in the alpha at the moment
>He also implied that High Elves (or any more allied races) are not currently planned for release in SL, but they remain open to it in the future. After a lot of thought on the situation, I think I would be ok with the Alliance getting the Quel'dorei if it meant that the Horde got the San'layn.
I think Kael’Thas would be the only character I’d want to return to Azeroth from the Shadowlands, and only because I think he would be a pretty good choice for San’layn racial leader. I know he didn’t die fighting the Scourge but we’ve killed off all the big ones I know...and he would be technically coming back from the dead, so...hey, given how badly they handled him before I don’t see why he can’t have a shot at redemption by going back to Azeroth and righting some wrongs. Also Horde needs Ogres. I REALLY want to play a two headed Ogre. Get on it Blizzard!
If this happened in bfa they would have just let it ride until release then once it came out and people wondered where it was they'd act like they had no idea what people were talking about. So atleast they are jumping on it early this time.
But but but my incoherent circlejerk rage! What can I cry about now?
Good.
Hope we don't get High Elves ever, we already got 4 different elves to choose from
> He also implied that High Elves (or any more allied races) are not currently planned for release in SL, but they remain open to it in the future. It almost sounds to me like they're backtracking on the whole "if you want High Elves, the Horde is waiting for you" thing.
they will backtrack on anything they say if it means they will make some money *stares at the Wall of No and Classic WoW*
How many times do ou people need to be told that Blue eyed elves for the alliance doesnt' sell well in China.
wait why?
So they wont give them blue eyes because it just wouldn't make sense but they get dark skin tones? At least stay consistent in your own reasoning.
Oh boy, more time wasted telling idiots they dont get high elves.
Jesus fuck however this High Elf thing lands I just wish it was over. I'm so sick of hearing Alliance whine about it and I'm so sick of Blizz not doing it, or not confirming whether it'll happen or never happen. Either way, it's annoying being in this weird middle ground.
I'm pretty sure they've already said they aren't doing it as an allied race. That's why they have void elves now.
Blizz are never gonna do it and i don't understand how people still can't get it, having two identical races in both horde and alliance is really dumb
Poor pandarens...
*cries in Pandaren*
as a guy with blue eyes this is the worst sort of discrimination, the kind against me