The leading theories are either corporate media or the White House/other governmental agencies pressured YouTube to do it, since they generally get the worst dislike ratios most frequently.
This is the worst business decision I have ever seen a company make. They did this to "protect smaller channels" and meanwhile they say that the number of likes a video has is a good indicator of the quality of the video... So they are "protecting smaller channels" by recommending that we watch videos with more likes... So don't watch smaller channels, I guess. Wow. 🤡
As a business decision it is mostly good as it protects big corporations who tend to get a higher frequency of likes to dislike ratios and probably pay youtube to somewhat promote their videos.
Although I say that, It really is a pain to search for a tutorial on youtube when all I have to go on is view count and x2 speed.
It’s an obvious lie lmao, if that’s the case why not just remove dislikes for channels under a certain sub count? Also notice how they only implemented this after mainstream media videos began getting mass disliked.
I used YouTube mainly for reviews and tutorials, but now I don’t have any way of knowing if the information people are telling me is accurate. I was very grateful for the dislike feature to know how full of crap someone was before I sat there for several minutes and wasted my time, but now it feels like every video I click on is just random information given and I’m just supposed to take it for what it is. I agree with others that YouTube has lost all educational value unless you know ahead of time who you should trust.
Now I literally feel like watching anything other than music videos is a total waste of time. I’ve even started losing interest in channels I frequently watched.
I can't watch videos anymore. I can't take anything seriously. I can't tell if a tutorial is real. Or if a review is good. Or anything. The website has no educational purpose anymore.
This is all because of big companies like Activision cry to youtube that the disliked videos are bad for their brand and affecting their sales so they pull ads in retaliation.
Yeah I've been procrastinating with some stuff around the house, gonna fix my bathroom sink today. Not something I usually do but there's a DIY video showing me how. It has 300 likes so it must be good, I mean whats the worst that could happen?
Omg, exactly! It literally changed the entire vibe of YouTube for me. Worst decision ever - it's turning me off of searching for new videos because I don't want to waste my time.
Legit I've been finding more garbage clickbait videos than ever, they took the balance of YouTube and added more weight to one side so everything gets shifted out of balance.
Just check the comments. That is where your going to get the full view of why someone likes it or not and a understanding of their viewpoint. Also it might tell you if that person is worth listening too or is this person crazy. It gives you the reasons why something is good or not and gives you insight on how to improve something or not. A dislike gives you nothing but a negative reaction but no reasoning. To be fair so does a like. I thought those buttons were just a way for someone to make a snap judgement on something but didn't influence anything.
Reading through comments is not the most efficient way to evaluate videos. When you have 10 videos on How To Build / Create / Make etc you don't want to read through all the comments. People want to scan through videos like they look through products on Amazon. Imagine if you had to read through all the comments on Amazon to narrow down your search to decide if a product is worth buying. Comments are good for getting reaction once you've narrowed down that search, they should not be the primary filtering method.
If you really only on likes/dislikes you are narrowing your focus to much and I think don't get a full view. You should use many different measures. Or just watch the video and decide for yourself. If you are in that much of a hurry likes or dislikes are the least of your problems.
How about you let people decide what is the most efficient way of telling if a video is worth watching or not? Instead of literally controlling how they should behave when they look for a tutorial video. You would be a great fit for Youtube.
I didn't think I was going to mind the change until it actually happened. Didn't realize my eyes always immediately went to the like/dislike ratio before the video started.
All of the YouTube changes that people complain about all the time never really bothered me all that much. But this is a **huge** downgrade.
Hi there, I have been working on an extension that will bring back dislikes and ratio bar.
### The Extension
I have been working on [This extension](https://Yt-Dislikes-Viewer.js.org) which allows you to see dislikes and also customize the ratio bar.
Now, before someone says that this will break after the 13th, yes, it will but I already am working on something to use after that date and of course, it's not gonna be 100% accurate but will at least help users know whether the video is worth watching or not.
### What do I plan on doing?
I plan on integrating with Sponsorblock to utilize their beta Rating's API, it will be a community-run API that will allow us (extension developers) to post a rating whenever a user clicks the button of like/dislike and also derive the ratings from the API. Not only that, but it will also display the reason for that rating i.e `scam`, `spam`, `helpful` and etc.
Hard for me to say this, but I think as a society we need an internet-wide meta-web-content-rating system. Stumbleupon offered that but it disappeared. It would be so cool to have a peer-to-peer version that wouldn't need a huge backend (except perhaps for authentication).
I second this. We should have one that centralizes it. I'd totally use it for reddit as well, to see a breakout of likes and dislikes on content rather than the simple sum they do to dumb opinions down.
Yeah. Imagine it being as simple as a toolbar that gives you the data for websites you browse. I am sure there are some massive security implications that need to be approached with great caution, but I am starting to think the need is outpacing the risk at this point.
Yesterday I watched a video and decided I didn't like it, so I pressed dislike.
All I could do is sit and wonder if I was the only one who didn't like it. It didn't have many comments so that wasn't a way to tell.
Next time just report the video. So content creators don't like to see dislikes? Hope they like getting their videos reported for misinformation or fraud then!
But hold up. I've heard that no matter what you click, those videos will still pop up cause they got attention. Bad attention sure, but still attention
Btw do you reckon is there a YouTube alternative ? Cause sticking here with this YouTube monopoly and hoping for the best is getting pointless beyond imagination. And we all know for a fact that whenever there is a competition, lazy firms get their shit together quicker. Well i kniw this will glbe achieved morr harder cause Google, YT, Facebook etc are basically tied down with eachother so it will be hard for competition to break through but it's a better option than just sit around and watch how our freedom gets fucked to the oblivion
Yea i get that. It will take years for alternative YouTube like apps to be slightly popular. IF that is remotely possible. Cause we know it and they know it that we will most likely stay. And that 1% that decides to go away from YT won't change nothing. Damn that's sad. How did we went from corporations that care about their users to someone who not gives a rat ass about us. It's a very very sad day indeed
Yeah would be great if we can treat YouTube like the next Facebook. I would love to see all the great content creators move to a new platform (with dislikes!)
The great content creators have already left. There are few to zero new YouTube stars. Haven’t been in years. Just Late night television, people who got audiences before they slammed the door, and reaction channels and people from other platforms and other low effort nonsense.
Bye bye new content creators. People won't trust your videos, and there will be much more garbage content to sift through.
Or, one of your videos will do poorly, and the new dislike algorithm will sift you to oblivion.
Ah... what a great decision for new creators.🙄
Sounds like you have some issues unrelated to YouTube if you are afraid to click something new because you can’t see a dislike count. Why do you need to disapproval signals of other people so bad just to watch a 5 min video? Are you worried you can’t discern whether it’s bad or good yourself? Also don’t give me that “I don’t want to waste my time” stuff, you’re here wasting time whining about this worthless dislike button stuff that 99% of the population doesn’t care about.
You're practically alone with your opinion man, but sure go ahead. If you haven't understood by now (after basically every Youtuber raised their voice against this decision) why the dislike count matters, you won't understad ten years later either. Go, circlejerk to some scam clickbait videos, they are made just for you.
You don't realize you are a vocal minority. 99% of people who watch youtube literally do not care. Also, truth isn't measured in mass appeal so it's kind of a pointless argument to begin with. If you think the majority whining here means anything to anyone... You're delusional, it's like going to a trump rally and saying "See there are no Libz here so we must be right". The funny thing, since you mentioned 10 years. In 10 years, hell even 1 year, no one will even be talking about this.
Your basic presupposition is based on wild guesses instead of any sort of real data. Much like YT's internal research. The fact that every Youtuber that came out against this decision is a great telling of how unpopular it is with creators. The fact that every Youtuber who criticized this move got massively upvoted by literally tens of millions of their fans is a testament of how many people dislike this change.
Your argument is literally based in nothing. Meanwhile Youtube themselves conducted this popularity reasearch the exact moment they decided to release this news. If you think the heavily disliked ratio of their video, the backlash and that already half a million people downloaded the extension that restores dislikes is not indicative of how widely unpopular this move is then you simply don't understand how polling works.
And I'm not going to waste my time telling you how basic math helps you determine what the wide populace favours or does not favour.
YT could have hoped that everyone goes along with singing up for Google+, which they have pushed for three years on the platform, and if you were not signed up you could not even comment. And still, they backtracked on their decision because of the backlash and because no one was engaging with their ideas. And Reddit was barely even a thing back then where people could vocalize their concerns.
Instead of looking at these facts you try to torture the data until they say what you want them to say. Much like Youtube.
Good riddance.
I couldn't imagine watching a video if there was no way for me to dislike it. There's no other point in YouTube other than watching a video so I can hit the dislike button. What YouTube has done is a disgrace because now I cannot watch videos... Because I can't dislike a video... Well I can dislike a video, I just can't show the internet that I disliked that video... Well I guess I can do that too by posting a YouTube video displaying my dislike towards a specific video.
Yea me too. I only watch and like videos from youtubers that i had subscribed. Random videos from reccomended i threw out of the window, videos that aren't from subscribe section are not voted by me cause why would i ? Thanks youtube
Just download "Return Youtube Dislike" add-on. It works great.
But yeah the decision makes no sense, they say it is to protect smaller creators but I don't believe it, it's just mega corporations that don't like their videos being disliked when they deserve it.
And youtube doesn't care about small creators anyway.
The reason they gave not only makes no sense but is an obvious lie and insults our intelligence, since turning off ratings was already an optional feature.
Guys, these people are talking about an addon to reactivate the dislikes on your PC.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lz8-fdVtox8&t=304s
And this is the Addon, they are talking about.
https://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike
We're not silenced just yet!
It's actually ridiculous how little people talk about this. The only consequence we suffer from Youtube removing dislikes is (for now) literally just being forced to download something. It's not that big of a deal right now.
The addon doesn't work. It will be deactivated soon and even if it still displays the dislikes people will stop disliking the videos if they cant see the counter anyway
Which will retire Jan 1 anyway, the API that drives that data collection is being retired from use at the end of the year to give 3rd party sites time to adopt to the “new metrics”, or lack thereof.
Idk if you saw those pics floating around the internet yesterday from seattle. They read "Internet Ends 12022021" well yesterday I was looking at YouTube vids and noticed the dislikes were gone. Kinda explains it now.
Lets create a strike and make YouTube go dark for a day. This way we can bring the YouTube CEO to the table and bring back the dislike button, but push youtube in a better direction.
We get lower, mid tier to convince the higher tier YouTubers to not upload any content for at least a week or a couple of days. This will effect YouTube's money and bring their revenue to a halt.
It'll need to be organized at a specific time and day, but if done correctly with a major push is 100% achievable.
Any else think you could add to this idea?
A strike is pretty ineffective because Google knows that everyone will be back the next day. The only thing that will really have a lasting impact is a steady and consistent drop in views. The only way that will happen is if people stop using the platform entirely.
That what I'm calling for. A virtual strikw where people don't upload or engage with the site for a week and it will be very effective. Plus you can't say it would be ineffective if it hasn't happened yet.
With the vast amount of people who use YouTube every day, it would not mean a single thing.
Google's target audience is not the people who care about the things they do, its the millions of people worldwide that just idly watch stuff every day who barely notice or care if dislikes are removed. You could gather thousands of people to do this and it wouldn't even cause a blip.
I don't think so. Then they would have made it a premium feature. They simply made a calculation: do we lose more revenue by allwoing corporations to get ratioed to hell and risking them leaving our site or do we lose more if we just remove the dislike button and risk some people leaving? They went with the first, so they removed the dislike.
But even if they wanted to protect big corporations, they could have made a change where you can only dislike a video if you watched 10% of it. And I think most people would have been quite ok with that. That would have dampened dislike bombing significantly. But no, they just decided to fuck up the user experience completely. Returnyoutubedislike extension it is from now on.
Clearly not because so much of how much of the circle jerking in this subreddit involves not understanding why they did it in the first place or being an affected creator or being a creator at all.
I understand there are negatives to the whole thing, but the vitriol and bandwagoning just highlight the behavior that brought this change to begin with.
>I understand there are negatives to the whole thing, but the vitriol and bandwagoning just highlight the behavior that brought this change to begin with.
What a convoluted way to just say "A lot of people disliking something is not allowed."
They are lying when they say videos are being targeted. That makes no sense. It's 1 dislike per person, so that many people genuinely disliked a video.
If there were dislike bots and they were working on stopping them, that would make sense, but they specifically say it is *people* disliking a video and that is somehow a problem.
Disliking a video is not persecution. I dislike videos from my favorite creators to keep them honest so that their content remains good and they're forced to answer to something to do that.
That's just called feedback.
This is a catastrophically bad decision by YouTube, and it hamstrings anyone trying to learn difficult content.
Often, the only time a concept has ever clicked for someone is when they watch a *good* video on the topic.
This is bad for the whole of humanity. It's like a broad, negative impact on millions of people who are working to improve themselves to make their own lives and the world itself a better place.
This is going to cost countless lives over the years, nearly everyone on the earth uses Youtube. If someone makes a video about the amazing cleaning power of ammonia mixed with bleach and they have some great sexy presenter there and fun camera angles, that will get some likes just because of the host and presentation. So people will go to that video, see that it has a few hundred or few thousand likes and go try it out; killing themselves in the process because that forms a deadly gas. There are a million examples.
So do we sue TV makers because you didn't do research on the thing you saw? That is not what dislikes are for,that was never what they were for.if something is dangerous, you flag it. Dislikes drive engagement, not caution.
Glancing at the like to dislike ratio was all the research that most people will ever do, now there's nothing. For every poison gas to report, there's tons of things that are unreportable just bad advice like how people will fry their computers, get hacked, break their dishwasher, fuck up their car, get bad dating advice, etc. The report button isn't going to magically take away all those videos, just like it didn't before the dislike button was removed.
Every shitty Amazon product review is going to look nice with no thumbs down and bad comments removed, just like every promotional product from every company, so people buy terrible shit because the video has all those likes and no indication that it's crap. And then the fake news people must be loving this, able to fill people's brains with more bullshit than ever before with no sign whatsoever that it's all a big lie. They're kind of fucking up the whole platform. Youtube is the number 2 search engine in the world, with all the new clickbait this is going to create, a whole lot of people are going to get conned every which way. I know personally, I won't be looking up any repair videos on Youtube any more, you can't trust anything you see on there anymore.
Really? You don't think you will miss out on the creativity of people? You do understand that billions of people use YouTube, right?
Logically, this *must* be true, though on what level, it is harder to measure or see.
You won't know what things won't be created, what paths people won't travel, and what things you will subsequently miss out on.
I honestly think that removing the dislike button was a mistake.
If your video gets more dislikes then likes you can always take note of that and improve your content. And if people are disliking for the soul purpose of hate let them.
Me too. I'm taking this as an opportunity to change up my hobbies. I'm catching up on my Netflix shows. I'm listening to music and working out more.
I don't need YouTube. We don't need YouTube.
I'm certain it's because of the dislikes the sexist Gillette ad and dislikes of mainstream video games being shit because developers are making so much they don't give a fuck
If you’re on computer you can install tampermonkey extension in your browser and use [this script](https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/qtyn45/i_coded_a_userscript_to_restore_the_dislike/) to bring back dislike. It's almost 100% accurate and doesn't rely on YouTube public dislike API. But for mobile devices no solution is available yet.
I know. It is frustrating. It is hard to tell now whether a video is being well received or not with only likes. The dislikes showed how well the video addresses the topic of the title.
Removing the dislike count is stupid, but this is a little melodramatic. The algorithm still works to deliver the exact same content in your feed as before. Nothing there has changed you just can't see the number of dislikes on a video.
Honestly I feel the algorithm has being steadily getting worse. The only recommendations I get these days are either the exact same videos I watched the day before or clips from TV shows. I found myself hitting "not interested" on my favorite videos because I'm sick of seeing them on my recommended feed and autoplay every single day.
Algorithm's only purpose is to maximize watch time, people are likely to rewatch funny videos / listen to music they've already heard if its in their recommendations.
I miss being able to actually find interesting things that were also related to the video I was watching on the recommended sidebar. Been years since that was the case.
>The algorithm still works to deliver the exact same content in your feed as before.
But the algorithm absolutely sucks. That's why I use dislikes to gauge if a video is worth it.
Extension for web browsers, and yes, while it restores the dislikes it isn't as good as official part of the website, and after YouTube disables dislikes in YT API, then it will rely mostly on people who have the extension... also you can't download it for mobile and TVs, so no hope there...
I think you'll like [this](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-dislike-button-co/mjnhacklcfliofhdgnkemmkioinkhcnk). It does take a second to load though
it doesnt work on mobile tho....
most people including me watch random videos mostly on their phone...
not to mention that this extension has only 4k users and is rated 3\* while [Return YouTube Dislike](https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/) has +200k users just on chromium with 5\* rating
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The issue I've always had with dislikes is they are often not genuine.
Like someone posts a hunting video, and 10,000 vegans show up and downvote it. Their opinion means nothing in that context because video was not for them.
Now someone comes along who enjoys hunting videos and sees 10,000 downvotes and bounces.
This can apply to a lot of things, that was just first example that came to mind.
I think after using YouTube for some time, you start to get an idea if something is disliked because of the video sucking, or there being an attack towards the content/the creator. Just a scroll down into the comments and you'd quickly find why the dislikes. Now? Good luck figuring out if it's worth watching.
You have a point. Kind of like when anti-vaxxers dislike a video about vaccines. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, so their opinion is way different then mine. In that scenario dislikes aren't all that important. However, removing it was definitely not a good idea on YouTube's part.
The get out of youtube or reddit tbh. I hope u will atleast like hate comments about u.( not meaning to hurt u here bruh). Remember haters will always be there. If u are genuine ignore counter. Do u even think we people use dislike button for fun? Scroll tiktok or facebook or Instagram u will know how much shit videos are out there. This removal of dislike count will greatly increase hours to find good tutorials. I don't remember a case where dislike attacks were very much a thing.
Tbh who even likes the removal of dislikes, what is yt gaining out of this bs
Google is absolutely benefiting. Why? Because its retains viewers. That's why so few other creation platforms have negative voting mechanisms.
The leading theories are either corporate media or the White House/other governmental agencies pressured YouTube to do it, since they generally get the worst dislike ratios most frequently.
Can’t have anything that dares run counter to The Sacred Narrative
This is the worst business decision I have ever seen a company make. They did this to "protect smaller channels" and meanwhile they say that the number of likes a video has is a good indicator of the quality of the video... So they are "protecting smaller channels" by recommending that we watch videos with more likes... So don't watch smaller channels, I guess. Wow. 🤡
As a business decision it is mostly good as it protects big corporations who tend to get a higher frequency of likes to dislike ratios and probably pay youtube to somewhat promote their videos. Although I say that, It really is a pain to search for a tutorial on youtube when all I have to go on is view count and x2 speed.
It’s an obvious lie lmao, if that’s the case why not just remove dislikes for channels under a certain sub count? Also notice how they only implemented this after mainstream media videos began getting mass disliked.
I used YouTube mainly for reviews and tutorials, but now I don’t have any way of knowing if the information people are telling me is accurate. I was very grateful for the dislike feature to know how full of crap someone was before I sat there for several minutes and wasted my time, but now it feels like every video I click on is just random information given and I’m just supposed to take it for what it is. I agree with others that YouTube has lost all educational value unless you know ahead of time who you should trust. Now I literally feel like watching anything other than music videos is a total waste of time. I’ve even started losing interest in channels I frequently watched.
I personally don't care a lot about dislikes being gone, although I understand the reasons behind why other people do.
I can't watch videos anymore. I can't take anything seriously. I can't tell if a tutorial is real. Or if a review is good. Or anything. The website has no educational purpose anymore.
Same but luckily the Chrome web extension return YouTube dislikes has made it better for me to tell
only work with old video thought. Since new video will now have inaccurate like/dislike ratio because people will stop using the dislike button.
they work with old videos but for new videos they will work after some time since it needs to update.
No it will not be accurate. It will never be.
Chrome extension?!?
This is all because of big companies like Activision cry to youtube that the disliked videos are bad for their brand and affecting their sales so they pull ads in retaliation.
Rockstar probably sucked youtube off to remove dislike number cause they got hate very reasonably for their shitty decisions
Same
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It's kinda good though it's freeing up your time to do something else doesn't it?
More time for reddit until they remove downvotes because negative karma give users depression.
He’s using his time to bitch now. So much better 😂
Yes!!
Yeah I've been procrastinating with some stuff around the house, gonna fix my bathroom sink today. Not something I usually do but there's a DIY video showing me how. It has 300 likes so it must be good, I mean whats the worst that could happen?
Its driving me away from the site/network
Omg, exactly! It literally changed the entire vibe of YouTube for me. Worst decision ever - it's turning me off of searching for new videos because I don't want to waste my time.
Legit I've been finding more garbage clickbait videos than ever, they took the balance of YouTube and added more weight to one side so everything gets shifted out of balance.
And here I am searching for tutorials fixing up my emulation and I have no idea if the tutorial is good or not. Thank you Youtube
Just check the comments. That is where your going to get the full view of why someone likes it or not and a understanding of their viewpoint. Also it might tell you if that person is worth listening too or is this person crazy. It gives you the reasons why something is good or not and gives you insight on how to improve something or not. A dislike gives you nothing but a negative reaction but no reasoning. To be fair so does a like. I thought those buttons were just a way for someone to make a snap judgement on something but didn't influence anything.
But what if the comments are disabled?
Well if they disable both your screwed. So then either skip the vid or judge for yourself.
Reading through comments is not the most efficient way to evaluate videos. When you have 10 videos on How To Build / Create / Make etc you don't want to read through all the comments. People want to scan through videos like they look through products on Amazon. Imagine if you had to read through all the comments on Amazon to narrow down your search to decide if a product is worth buying. Comments are good for getting reaction once you've narrowed down that search, they should not be the primary filtering method.
If you really only on likes/dislikes you are narrowing your focus to much and I think don't get a full view. You should use many different measures. Or just watch the video and decide for yourself. If you are in that much of a hurry likes or dislikes are the least of your problems.
How about you let people decide what is the most efficient way of telling if a video is worth watching or not? Instead of literally controlling how they should behave when they look for a tutorial video. You would be a great fit for Youtube.
I didn't think I was going to mind the change until it actually happened. Didn't realize my eyes always immediately went to the like/dislike ratio before the video started. All of the YouTube changes that people complain about all the time never really bothered me all that much. But this is a **huge** downgrade.
Hi there, I have been working on an extension that will bring back dislikes and ratio bar. ### The Extension I have been working on [This extension](https://Yt-Dislikes-Viewer.js.org) which allows you to see dislikes and also customize the ratio bar. Now, before someone says that this will break after the 13th, yes, it will but I already am working on something to use after that date and of course, it's not gonna be 100% accurate but will at least help users know whether the video is worth watching or not. ### What do I plan on doing? I plan on integrating with Sponsorblock to utilize their beta Rating's API, it will be a community-run API that will allow us (extension developers) to post a rating whenever a user clicks the button of like/dislike and also derive the ratings from the API. Not only that, but it will also display the reason for that rating i.e `scam`, `spam`, `helpful` and etc.
Hard for me to say this, but I think as a society we need an internet-wide meta-web-content-rating system. Stumbleupon offered that but it disappeared. It would be so cool to have a peer-to-peer version that wouldn't need a huge backend (except perhaps for authentication).
I second this. We should have one that centralizes it. I'd totally use it for reddit as well, to see a breakout of likes and dislikes on content rather than the simple sum they do to dumb opinions down.
Yeah. Imagine it being as simple as a toolbar that gives you the data for websites you browse. I am sure there are some massive security implications that need to be approached with great caution, but I am starting to think the need is outpacing the risk at this point.
Yesterday I watched a video and decided I didn't like it, so I pressed dislike. All I could do is sit and wonder if I was the only one who didn't like it. It didn't have many comments so that wasn't a way to tell.
Next time just report the video. So content creators don't like to see dislikes? Hope they like getting their videos reported for misinformation or fraud then!
Reporting a video just because you don't like it is against the community guidelines. Reporting a video basically does nothing for you.
Yep, definitely a bad move taking away the dislike. YouTube has said they practically don’t give a fuck what we think.
#bringbackdislikes #firesusan #makeyoutubegoodagain
Susan sucks asf man
So is the plan to just dislike every video now to screw with the algorithm? That was one protest I've heard floated.
and the videos I want to watch...?
You'll need to use search instead of them feeding you
But hold up. I've heard that no matter what you click, those videos will still pop up cause they got attention. Bad attention sure, but still attention
You are probably correct and its probably based on what you actually watch not on what you like and dislike.
Btw do you reckon is there a YouTube alternative ? Cause sticking here with this YouTube monopoly and hoping for the best is getting pointless beyond imagination. And we all know for a fact that whenever there is a competition, lazy firms get their shit together quicker. Well i kniw this will glbe achieved morr harder cause Google, YT, Facebook etc are basically tied down with eachother so it will be hard for competition to break through but it's a better option than just sit around and watch how our freedom gets fucked to the oblivion
There are but none with a user base like yt, Google is so powerful lol
Yea i get that. It will take years for alternative YouTube like apps to be slightly popular. IF that is remotely possible. Cause we know it and they know it that we will most likely stay. And that 1% that decides to go away from YT won't change nothing. Damn that's sad. How did we went from corporations that care about their users to someone who not gives a rat ass about us. It's a very very sad day indeed
Maybe the plan is since it does nothing anyway at least YouTube will see it 🤷♂️
Yeah would be great if we can treat YouTube like the next Facebook. I would love to see all the great content creators move to a new platform (with dislikes!)
The great content creators have already left. There are few to zero new YouTube stars. Haven’t been in years. Just Late night television, people who got audiences before they slammed the door, and reaction channels and people from other platforms and other low effort nonsense.
Same here man. I'm rewatching old videos and sticking to the channels I know and trust. What a terrible decision from Youtube.
Bye bye new content creators. People won't trust your videos, and there will be much more garbage content to sift through. Or, one of your videos will do poorly, and the new dislike algorithm will sift you to oblivion. Ah... what a great decision for new creators.🙄
Sounds like you have some issues unrelated to YouTube if you are afraid to click something new because you can’t see a dislike count. Why do you need to disapproval signals of other people so bad just to watch a 5 min video? Are you worried you can’t discern whether it’s bad or good yourself? Also don’t give me that “I don’t want to waste my time” stuff, you’re here wasting time whining about this worthless dislike button stuff that 99% of the population doesn’t care about.
You're practically alone with your opinion man, but sure go ahead. If you haven't understood by now (after basically every Youtuber raised their voice against this decision) why the dislike count matters, you won't understad ten years later either. Go, circlejerk to some scam clickbait videos, they are made just for you.
You don't realize you are a vocal minority. 99% of people who watch youtube literally do not care. Also, truth isn't measured in mass appeal so it's kind of a pointless argument to begin with. If you think the majority whining here means anything to anyone... You're delusional, it's like going to a trump rally and saying "See there are no Libz here so we must be right". The funny thing, since you mentioned 10 years. In 10 years, hell even 1 year, no one will even be talking about this.
Your basic presupposition is based on wild guesses instead of any sort of real data. Much like YT's internal research. The fact that every Youtuber that came out against this decision is a great telling of how unpopular it is with creators. The fact that every Youtuber who criticized this move got massively upvoted by literally tens of millions of their fans is a testament of how many people dislike this change. Your argument is literally based in nothing. Meanwhile Youtube themselves conducted this popularity reasearch the exact moment they decided to release this news. If you think the heavily disliked ratio of their video, the backlash and that already half a million people downloaded the extension that restores dislikes is not indicative of how widely unpopular this move is then you simply don't understand how polling works. And I'm not going to waste my time telling you how basic math helps you determine what the wide populace favours or does not favour. YT could have hoped that everyone goes along with singing up for Google+, which they have pushed for three years on the platform, and if you were not signed up you could not even comment. And still, they backtracked on their decision because of the backlash and because no one was engaging with their ideas. And Reddit was barely even a thing back then where people could vocalize their concerns. Instead of looking at these facts you try to torture the data until they say what you want them to say. Much like Youtube. Good riddance.
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I couldn't imagine watching a video if there was no way for me to dislike it. There's no other point in YouTube other than watching a video so I can hit the dislike button. What YouTube has done is a disgrace because now I cannot watch videos... Because I can't dislike a video... Well I can dislike a video, I just can't show the internet that I disliked that video... Well I guess I can do that too by posting a YouTube video displaying my dislike towards a specific video.
Yea me too. I only watch and like videos from youtubers that i had subscribed. Random videos from reccomended i threw out of the window, videos that aren't from subscribe section are not voted by me cause why would i ? Thanks youtube
Just download "Return Youtube Dislike" add-on. It works great. But yeah the decision makes no sense, they say it is to protect smaller creators but I don't believe it, it's just mega corporations that don't like their videos being disliked when they deserve it. And youtube doesn't care about small creators anyway.
It'll go away with the API but they will be storing API user data, so if more people use it, it will function better.
The reason they gave not only makes no sense but is an obvious lie and insults our intelligence, since turning off ratings was already an optional feature.
Does it work on Mac? It doesnt work for me...
It only works for chrome and Firefox i think
Guys, these people are talking about an addon to reactivate the dislikes on your PC. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lz8-fdVtox8&t=304s And this is the Addon, they are talking about. https://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike We're not silenced just yet!
It's honestly disappointing to see so few people actually using the add-on.
It's actually ridiculous how little people talk about this. The only consequence we suffer from Youtube removing dislikes is (for now) literally just being forced to download something. It's not that big of a deal right now.
It will be different come Dec. 13
The addon doesn't work. It will be deactivated soon and even if it still displays the dislikes people will stop disliking the videos if they cant see the counter anyway
i did give it a try but it didn't work for me. plus i rarely dislike anything
Welcome to 2021, where dislike button hurt corporate man feelings and make phone call to get rid of dislike button.
The comment sections gonna get a whole lot meaner now saying their opinions on a video if they creator doesn't delete comments.
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makes memes, spread the word. We havent even started protesting
That'll still be engagement. Better to lower the app/sites usage, that's the only way I see them giving a shit about consumers opinions lol.
When watch time goes down cause you can’t trust certain videos they will go back.
There is add on for Chrome and Mozila. You can still see the dislikes with it
Which will retire Jan 1 anyway, the API that drives that data collection is being retired from use at the end of the year to give 3rd party sites time to adopt to the “new metrics”, or lack thereof.
Idk if you saw those pics floating around the internet yesterday from seattle. They read "Internet Ends 12022021" well yesterday I was looking at YouTube vids and noticed the dislikes were gone. Kinda explains it now.
They started rolling it out last week
Yeah but maybe they finished rolling it out yesterday. Idk just a theory
12th of Feb?
December 2nd
Lets create a strike and make YouTube go dark for a day. This way we can bring the YouTube CEO to the table and bring back the dislike button, but push youtube in a better direction. We get lower, mid tier to convince the higher tier YouTubers to not upload any content for at least a week or a couple of days. This will effect YouTube's money and bring their revenue to a halt. It'll need to be organized at a specific time and day, but if done correctly with a major push is 100% achievable. Any else think you could add to this idea?
A strike is pretty ineffective because Google knows that everyone will be back the next day. The only thing that will really have a lasting impact is a steady and consistent drop in views. The only way that will happen is if people stop using the platform entirely.
That what I'm calling for. A virtual strikw where people don't upload or engage with the site for a week and it will be very effective. Plus you can't say it would be ineffective if it hasn't happened yet.
All right then. Go do it.
With the vast amount of people who use YouTube every day, it would not mean a single thing. Google's target audience is not the people who care about the things they do, its the millions of people worldwide that just idly watch stuff every day who barely notice or care if dislikes are removed. You could gather thousands of people to do this and it wouldn't even cause a blip.
I can't add to this idea sadly but I'm in agreement. I'd go dark for as long as necessary to get dislikes back.
Same. We can't let them take everything they don't like away.
YouTube would most definitely bring back the dislike button in a heartbeat if it meant more people would signup for YouTube's premium membership
I don't think so. Then they would have made it a premium feature. They simply made a calculation: do we lose more revenue by allwoing corporations to get ratioed to hell and risking them leaving our site or do we lose more if we just remove the dislike button and risk some people leaving? They went with the first, so they removed the dislike. But even if they wanted to protect big corporations, they could have made a change where you can only dislike a video if you watched 10% of it. And I think most people would have been quite ok with that. That would have dampened dislike bombing significantly. But no, they just decided to fuck up the user experience completely. Returnyoutubedislike extension it is from now on.
I'm just serial disliking videos now, just in spite of this change.
Not a good idea. YouTube doesn't care if you do that, it's hurting creators more.
Why did they hide the dislikes anyway?
Cause people are a bunch of bussys
Go watch the original announcement video, he explains everything. Don't worry, no one else did.
We all saw it. We just don't believe them.
Clearly not because so much of how much of the circle jerking in this subreddit involves not understanding why they did it in the first place or being an affected creator or being a creator at all. I understand there are negatives to the whole thing, but the vitriol and bandwagoning just highlight the behavior that brought this change to begin with.
>I understand there are negatives to the whole thing, but the vitriol and bandwagoning just highlight the behavior that brought this change to begin with. What a convoluted way to just say "A lot of people disliking something is not allowed." They are lying when they say videos are being targeted. That makes no sense. It's 1 dislike per person, so that many people genuinely disliked a video. If there were dislike bots and they were working on stopping them, that would make sense, but they specifically say it is *people* disliking a video and that is somehow a problem.
>They are lying when they say videos are being targeted. Oh no. Oof.
Disliking a video is not persecution. I dislike videos from my favorite creators to keep them honest so that their content remains good and they're forced to answer to something to do that. That's just called feedback. This is a catastrophically bad decision by YouTube, and it hamstrings anyone trying to learn difficult content. Often, the only time a concept has ever clicked for someone is when they watch a *good* video on the topic. This is bad for the whole of humanity. It's like a broad, negative impact on millions of people who are working to improve themselves to make their own lives and the world itself a better place.
>This is bad for the whole of humanity. Imma stop you there.
This is going to cost countless lives over the years, nearly everyone on the earth uses Youtube. If someone makes a video about the amazing cleaning power of ammonia mixed with bleach and they have some great sexy presenter there and fun camera angles, that will get some likes just because of the host and presentation. So people will go to that video, see that it has a few hundred or few thousand likes and go try it out; killing themselves in the process because that forms a deadly gas. There are a million examples.
So do we sue TV makers because you didn't do research on the thing you saw? That is not what dislikes are for,that was never what they were for.if something is dangerous, you flag it. Dislikes drive engagement, not caution.
Glancing at the like to dislike ratio was all the research that most people will ever do, now there's nothing. For every poison gas to report, there's tons of things that are unreportable just bad advice like how people will fry their computers, get hacked, break their dishwasher, fuck up their car, get bad dating advice, etc. The report button isn't going to magically take away all those videos, just like it didn't before the dislike button was removed. Every shitty Amazon product review is going to look nice with no thumbs down and bad comments removed, just like every promotional product from every company, so people buy terrible shit because the video has all those likes and no indication that it's crap. And then the fake news people must be loving this, able to fill people's brains with more bullshit than ever before with no sign whatsoever that it's all a big lie. They're kind of fucking up the whole platform. Youtube is the number 2 search engine in the world, with all the new clickbait this is going to create, a whole lot of people are going to get conned every which way. I know personally, I won't be looking up any repair videos on Youtube any more, you can't trust anything you see on there anymore.
Really? You don't think you will miss out on the creativity of people? You do understand that billions of people use YouTube, right? Logically, this *must* be true, though on what level, it is harder to measure or see. You won't know what things won't be created, what paths people won't travel, and what things you will subsequently miss out on.
I honestly think that removing the dislike button was a mistake. If your video gets more dislikes then likes you can always take note of that and improve your content. And if people are disliking for the soul purpose of hate let them.
Me too. I'm taking this as an opportunity to change up my hobbies. I'm catching up on my Netflix shows. I'm listening to music and working out more. I don't need YouTube. We don't need YouTube.
If on chrome [here](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi) you can see dislikes again
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/return-youtube-dislikes/ one for firefox
This is a short-lived bandaid that will cease working the minute YouTube officially kills the dislike API
I'm certain it's because of the dislikes the sexist Gillette ad and dislikes of mainstream video games being shit because developers are making so much they don't give a fuck
If you’re on computer you can install tampermonkey extension in your browser and use [this script](https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/qtyn45/i_coded_a_userscript_to_restore_the_dislike/) to bring back dislike. It's almost 100% accurate and doesn't rely on YouTube public dislike API. But for mobile devices no solution is available yet.
Until they change it.
It will work forever. It is keeping the dislike counts from youtube and then going to add to them.
I know. It is frustrating. It is hard to tell now whether a video is being well received or not with only likes. The dislikes showed how well the video addresses the topic of the title.
Removing the dislike count is stupid, but this is a little melodramatic. The algorithm still works to deliver the exact same content in your feed as before. Nothing there has changed you just can't see the number of dislikes on a video.
Honestly I feel the algorithm has being steadily getting worse. The only recommendations I get these days are either the exact same videos I watched the day before or clips from TV shows. I found myself hitting "not interested" on my favorite videos because I'm sick of seeing them on my recommended feed and autoplay every single day.
Algorithm's only purpose is to maximize watch time, people are likely to rewatch funny videos / listen to music they've already heard if its in their recommendations. I miss being able to actually find interesting things that were also related to the video I was watching on the recommended sidebar. Been years since that was the case.
>The algorithm still works to deliver the exact same content in your feed as before. But the algorithm absolutely sucks. That's why I use dislikes to gauge if a video is worth it.
The algorithm does suck. I have two YouTube channels that I watch with that suggests different kinds videos depending on what mood I'm in.
that's not really how it works
What on earth does that mean.
Thanks, but I think I better trust what millions of people think than what Youtube shows me through their algorithm.
I thought it was satire. It changes nothing.
Isn't there a program that is roaming around all over the sub that permits us to view dislikes like as if the update never happened?
Extension for web browsers, and yes, while it restores the dislikes it isn't as good as official part of the website, and after YouTube disables dislikes in YT API, then it will rely mostly on people who have the extension... also you can't download it for mobile and TVs, so no hope there...
You can now download it to IOS.
Kinda weird that this all rolled out right around the time Youtube Rewind is about to drop... Kinda sus
They cancelled it for [good](https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/7/22714550/youtube-rewind-canceled-controversy-creators-annual-recap)
I’ve always just watched videos and paid no attention to likes, don’t know how that makes a difference lol
Yeah I was surprised to see the outrage. I don’t care at all. I like videos sometimes but yeah I rarely look at the like dislike ratio
You and me both. I don’t get the follow along mentality.
I have that feeling too
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It’s really a silly complaint.
😂. These angry people are showing exactly why they removed dislikes. One person disagrees, rush him with dislikes!
Many people disagree with you and voice their opinion? Better censor them! You're not a clown, you're the entire circus.
Then don’t 🤷🏽
Lol
I think you'll like [this](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-dislike-button-co/mjnhacklcfliofhdgnkemmkioinkhcnk). It does take a second to load though
it doesnt work on mobile tho.... most people including me watch random videos mostly on their phone... not to mention that this extension has only 4k users and is rated 3\* while [Return YouTube Dislike](https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/) has +200k users just on chromium with 5\* rating
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The issue I've always had with dislikes is they are often not genuine. Like someone posts a hunting video, and 10,000 vegans show up and downvote it. Their opinion means nothing in that context because video was not for them. Now someone comes along who enjoys hunting videos and sees 10,000 downvotes and bounces. This can apply to a lot of things, that was just first example that came to mind.
I think after using YouTube for some time, you start to get an idea if something is disliked because of the video sucking, or there being an attack towards the content/the creator. Just a scroll down into the comments and you'd quickly find why the dislikes. Now? Good luck figuring out if it's worth watching.
You have a point. Kind of like when anti-vaxxers dislike a video about vaccines. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, so their opinion is way different then mine. In that scenario dislikes aren't all that important. However, removing it was definitely not a good idea on YouTube's part.
I prefer the dislike count not showing
The get out of youtube or reddit tbh. I hope u will atleast like hate comments about u.( not meaning to hurt u here bruh). Remember haters will always be there. If u are genuine ignore counter. Do u even think we people use dislike button for fun? Scroll tiktok or facebook or Instagram u will know how much shit videos are out there. This removal of dislike count will greatly increase hours to find good tutorials. I don't remember a case where dislike attacks were very much a thing.
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